Guild Wars 2

Make it so that one dodge dodges the whole ability. In it’s current form you need to blow an entire endurance bar to avoid massive damage on a skill with a 10 second base cooldown. To compensate, let rangers cancel their channel

anet plz

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

So you want to shorten the channel time of Rapid Fire even more! Or you want to extend the dodge duration for all classes! Interesting!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Just increase Rapid Fire’s CD, like 12 seconds not traited. Just that. And I’m not even sure wether it should be changed or not.

I’m personally having problems dealing with rangers, but I believe it’s just because I’m not used to fighting rangers and I don’t really know their true weaknesses: previous this patch they just melted, no matter what :P

Frenk.5917:

Just increase Rapid Fire’s CD, like 12 seconds not traited. Just that. And I’m not even sure wether it should be changed or not.

I’m personally having problems dealing with rangers, but I believe it’s just because I’m not used to fighting rangers and I don’t really know their true weaknesses: previous this patch they just melted, no matter what :P

Said this in the other thread but it’s applicable here, been playing a ranger. The only people I’ve seen actually complaining about it in play this week have been not even taking the minimum effort to play against it.

A thief running away from a fresh engagement without dodging or stealthing at all from melee range is just playing badly, that’s not rapid fire’s fault.

Similarly, if as a ranger you’re standing on a platform, and a guardian runs around out of reach without using any defensive skills or one of the knockback/pulls to clear the ranger off the platform, that’s not rapid fire’s fault.

And yet those are the two people I actually heard complain about rangers in play last night. People wanting to play lazily are their own problem, not the ranger’s.

>>“Similarly, if as a ranger you’re standing on a platform, and a guardian runs around out of reach without using any defensive skills or one of the knockback/pulls to clear the ranger off the platform, that’s not rapid fire’s fault.”

And do you play Guardian? How long would it take for Guardian to execute his pull?

As of now Ranger isn’t broken if a bad player plays it but if the player on the other side know what the heck he is doing, you better prepare to feel the pain.

I like Ranger and want them to get some good Buff and possibly the best Longbow in the game but what they got were more than just that.

ArrDee.2573:

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

So you want to shorten the channel time of Rapid Fire even more! Or you want to extend the dodge duration for all classes! Interesting!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Reading comprehension OP. I want the channel time to remain the same. I want rapid fire to miss all shots even after the evasion frames end.

also, #1 egni Na? Lol, that’s like bragging about being the fastest runner in the special olympics. any other easy tasks you’d like to boast about?

What do you do when a Warrior uses volley? A single dodge doesn’t block the whole channel and volley only does about 10% less damage than rapid fire.

If it legitimately needs to be nerfed, focus your attention on things like Signet of the Wild which is a legitimate complaint with this update.

Atherakhia.4086:

What do you do when a Warrior uses volley? A single dodge doesn’t block the whole channel and volley only does about 10% less damage than rapid fire.

If it legitimately needs to be nerfed, focus your attention on things like Signet of the Wild which is a legitimate complaint with this update.

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

I just thought that since everybody was crying about it, it will inevitably get nerfed, so I thought this would be a fair way to do it. Offers more counter-play while allowing the to keep their highest damage potential.

Cam Ron.4170:

Atherakhia.4086:

What do you do when a Warrior uses volley? A single dodge doesn’t block the whole channel and volley only does about 10% less damage than rapid fire.

If it legitimately needs to be nerfed, focus your attention on things like Signet of the Wild which is a legitimate complaint with this update.

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

I just thought that since everybody was crying about it, it will inevitably get nerfed, so I thought this would be a fair way to do it. Offers more counter-play while allowing the to keep their highest damage potential.

I don’t think it will get nerfed, aNet gets complaints like this every time they do a balance change. It’s sure as rain, and just as meaningless.

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

So you want one of the most underplayed and least effective classes to have one of their strongest attacks evaded even when the target isn’t evading! Very interesting!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Windsagio.1340:

Cam Ron.4170:

Atherakhia.4086:

What do you do when a Warrior uses volley? A single dodge doesn’t block the whole channel and volley only does about 10% less damage than rapid fire.

If it legitimately needs to be nerfed, focus your attention on things like Signet of the Wild which is a legitimate complaint with this update.

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

I just thought that since everybody was crying about it, it will inevitably get nerfed, so I thought this would be a fair way to do it. Offers more counter-play while allowing the to keep their highest damage potential.

I don’t think it will get nerfed, aNet gets complaints like this every time they do a balance change. It’s sure as rain, and just as meaningless.

I cant think of anything that has gotten this much QQ and not bee nerfed to the ground. Thieves, warriors, dhummfire, crit damage in general, etc. Things get nerfed based on community reaction rather than reason.

All i’ve seen is a Select few on these forums that just want it Reverted , since they don’t want any change to combat gameplay , just having a Ranged Element to worry about makes things much more intresting.

Cam Ron.4170:

Windsagio.1340:

Cam Ron.4170:

Atherakhia.4086:

What do you do when a Warrior uses volley? A single dodge doesn’t block the whole channel and volley only does about 10% less damage than rapid fire.

If it legitimately needs to be nerfed, focus your attention on things like Signet of the Wild which is a legitimate complaint with this update.

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

I just thought that since everybody was crying about it, it will inevitably get nerfed, so I thought this would be a fair way to do it. Offers more counter-play while allowing the to keep their highest damage potential.

I don’t think it will get nerfed, aNet gets complaints like this every time they do a balance change. It’s sure as rain, and just as meaningless.

I cant think of anything that has gotten this much QQ and not bee nerfed to the ground. Thieves, warriors, dhummfire, crit damage in general, etc. Things get nerfed based on community reaction rather than reason.

+ 1 Reasonable statement.

Anything that kills the community that has yet to have its general skill level questioned is OP, no matter what.

Cam Ron.4170:

Windsagio.1340:

Cam Ron.4170:

Atherakhia.4086:

What do you do when a Warrior uses volley? A single dodge doesn’t block the whole channel and volley only does about 10% less damage than rapid fire.

If it legitimately needs to be nerfed, focus your attention on things like Signet of the Wild which is a legitimate complaint with this update.

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

I just thought that since everybody was crying about it, it will inevitably get nerfed, so I thought this would be a fair way to do it. Offers more counter-play while allowing the to keep their highest damage potential.

I don’t think it will get nerfed, aNet gets complaints like this every time they do a balance change. It’s sure as rain, and just as meaningless.

I cant think of anything that has gotten this much QQ and not bee nerfed to the ground. Thieves, warriors, dhummfire, crit damage in general, etc. Things get nerfed based on community reaction rather than reason.

(bold mine)

That’s a pretty big claim, isn’kitten

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Cam Ron.4170:

Windsagio.1340:

Cam Ron.4170:

Atherakhia.4086:

What do you do when a Warrior uses volley? A single dodge doesn’t block the whole channel and volley only does about 10% less damage than rapid fire.

If it legitimately needs to be nerfed, focus your attention on things like Signet of the Wild which is a legitimate complaint with this update.

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

I just thought that since everybody was crying about it, it will inevitably get nerfed, so I thought this would be a fair way to do it. Offers more counter-play while allowing the to keep their highest damage potential.

I don’t think it will get nerfed, aNet gets complaints like this every time they do a balance change. It’s sure as rain, and just as meaningless.

I cant think of anything that has gotten this much QQ and not bee nerfed to the ground. Thieves, warriors, dhummfire, crit damage in general, etc. Things get nerfed based on community reaction rather than reason.

+ 1 Reasonable statement.

Anything that kills the community that has yet to have its general skill level questioned is OP, no matter what.

erm no go look and watch some Balancing Videos about the term for gameplay (overpowered)/(inbalanced) i would say less than 2% of the community have problems with this change and a Select few are here on the fourms.)

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Cam Ron.4170:

Windsagio.1340:

Cam Ron.4170:

Atherakhia.4086:

What do you do when a Warrior uses volley? A single dodge doesn’t block the whole channel and volley only does about 10% less damage than rapid fire.

If it legitimately needs to be nerfed, focus your attention on things like Signet of the Wild which is a legitimate complaint with this update.

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

I just thought that since everybody was crying about it, it will inevitably get nerfed, so I thought this would be a fair way to do it. Offers more counter-play while allowing the to keep their highest damage potential.

I don’t think it will get nerfed, aNet gets complaints like this every time they do a balance change. It’s sure as rain, and just as meaningless.

I cant think of anything that has gotten this much QQ and not bee nerfed to the ground. Thieves, warriors, dhummfire, crit damage in general, etc. Things get nerfed based on community reaction rather than reason.

+ 1 Reasonable statement.

Anything that kills the community that has yet to have its general skill level questioned is OP, no matter what.

erm no go look and watch some Balancing Videos about the term for gameplay (overpowered)/(inbalanced) i would say less than 2% of the community have problems with this change and a Select few are here on the fourms.)

This change specifically?

Iunno about that.

My point was that people will whine about anything they cannot beat without attempting to improve their playstyle first, though. in case you missed it.

The latter part was sarcasm.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Cam Ron.4170:

Windsagio.1340:

Cam Ron.4170:

Atherakhia.4086:

What do you do when a Warrior uses volley? A single dodge doesn’t block the whole channel and volley only does about 10% less damage than rapid fire.

If it legitimately needs to be nerfed, focus your attention on things like Signet of the Wild which is a legitimate complaint with this update.

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

I just thought that since everybody was crying about it, it will inevitably get nerfed, so I thought this would be a fair way to do it. Offers more counter-play while allowing the to keep their highest damage potential.

I don’t think it will get nerfed, aNet gets complaints like this every time they do a balance change. It’s sure as rain, and just as meaningless.

I cant think of anything that has gotten this much QQ and not bee nerfed to the ground. Thieves, warriors, dhummfire, crit damage in general, etc. Things get nerfed based on community reaction rather than reason.

+ 1 Reasonable statement.

Anything that kills the community that has yet to have its general skill level questioned is OP, no matter what.

erm no go look and watch some Balancing Videos about the term for gameplay (overpowered)/(inbalanced) i would say less than 2% of the community have problems with this change and a Select few are here on the fourms.)

This change specifically?

Iunno about that.

My point was that people will whine about anything they cannot beat without attempting to improve their playstyle first, though. in case you missed it.

The latter part was sarcasm.

well Sarcasum don’t come Across well on fourms so its better to not even bother at all.

Cam Ron.4170:

Make it so that one dodge dodges the whole ability. In it’s current form you need to blow an entire endurance bar to avoid massive damage on a skill with a 10 second base cooldown. To compensate, let rangers cancel their channel

anet plz

Cam Ron.4170:

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

huh.

so it should be balanced, “maybe,” but you “dont know,” you “dont personally have a problem with it.”

1 – why make the thread then? dont answer that, its retorical, something to ponder. just let the thread die its natural death.

2 – some people have a hard time with the new longbow ranger. mostly necros, guardians, and engineers (mayyyyybe some staff eles). You know, those people who were bunkering on points and not leaving and not reasonably killable unless they got outnumbered. Meanwhile, none of the other classes have significant problems killing the longbow ranger. Imbalanced? No. Decent counter to something that previously didnt have a counter? Yes.

Raven.9603:

Cam Ron.4170:

Make it so that one dodge dodges the whole ability. In it’s current form you need to blow an entire endurance bar to avoid massive damage on a skill with a 10 second base cooldown. To compensate, let rangers cancel their channel

anet plz

Cam Ron.4170:

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

huh.

so it should be balanced, “maybe,” but you “dont know,” you “dont personally have a problem with it.”

1 – why make the thread then? dont answer that, its retorical, something to ponder. just let the thread die its natural death.

2 – some people have a hard time with the new longbow ranger. mostly necros, guardians, and engineers (mayyyyybe some staff eles). You know, those people who were bunkering on points and not leaving and not reasonably killable unless they got outnumbered. Meanwhile, none of the other classes have significant problems killing the longbow ranger. Imbalanced? No. Decent counter to something that previously didnt have a counter? Yes.

1- Out of pure spite, I will make sure this thread stays on page 1 for the next 6 months.

also since there is a 95% chance it gets nerfed next patch based on community reaction, deservedly or not- I was offering a suggestion that would allow ranger to keep their max damage potential on a target that doesn’t dodge or is rooted, etc. while offering the enemy more counter play. I like these solutions better than just knocking numbers down a notch.

Cam Ron.4170:

Raven.9603:

Cam Ron.4170:

Make it so that one dodge dodges the whole ability. In it’s current form you need to blow an entire endurance bar to avoid massive damage on a skill with a 10 second base cooldown. To compensate, let rangers cancel their channel

anet plz

Cam Ron.4170:

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

huh.

so it should be balanced, “maybe,” but you “dont know,” you “dont personally have a problem with it.”

1 – why make the thread then? dont answer that, its retorical, something to ponder. just let the thread die its natural death.

2 – some people have a hard time with the new longbow ranger. mostly necros, guardians, and engineers (mayyyyybe some staff eles). You know, those people who were bunkering on points and not leaving and not reasonably killable unless they got outnumbered. Meanwhile, none of the other classes have significant problems killing the longbow ranger. Imbalanced? No. Decent counter to something that previously didnt have a counter? Yes.

1- Out of pure spite, I will make sure this thread stays on page 1 for the next 6 months.

also since there is a 95% chance it gets nerfed next patch based on community reaction, deservedly or not- I was offering a suggestion that would allow ranger to keep their max damage potential on a target that doesn’t dodge or is rooted, etc. while offering the enemy more counter play. I like these solutions better than just knocking numbers down a notch.

+1

These threads make me realize how dumb most of humanity is.

Hello frands! Menzies here, #1 Thief player, and best and firsst player in the world! (Lvl 80 wow!) ((and I have much skilks))

Yeah I think its very interesting. All the stuff and the things you are saying about this post. Rangers are very much played, and as such we have to think of ways to think about the problem. Don’t always lay the problem at the person that has nothing to do with coming up with solutions.

I say, use more dodge and L2P!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

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Cam Ron.4170:

Raven.9603:

Cam Ron.4170:

Make it so that one dodge dodges the whole ability. In it’s current form you need to blow an entire endurance bar to avoid massive damage on a skill with a 10 second base cooldown. To compensate, let rangers cancel their channel

anet plz

Cam Ron.4170:

maybe it doesn’t need to be nerfed, IDK. Im personally not haing a problem with it because I play thief and they still kitten on rangers. I would just rather see a ch

huh.

so it should be balanced, “maybe,” but you “dont know,” you “dont personally have a problem with it.”

1 – why make the thread then? dont answer that, its retorical, something to ponder. just let the thread die its natural death.

2 – some people have a hard time with the new longbow ranger. mostly necros, guardians, and engineers (mayyyyybe some staff eles). You know, those people who were bunkering on points and not leaving and not reasonably killable unless they got outnumbered. Meanwhile, none of the other classes have significant problems killing the longbow ranger. Imbalanced? No. Decent counter to something that previously didnt have a counter? Yes.

1- Out of pure spite, I will make sure this thread stays on page 1 for the next 6 months.

also since there is a 95% chance it gets nerfed next patch based on community reaction, deservedly or not- I was offering a suggestion that would allow ranger to keep their max damage potential on a target that doesn’t dodge or is rooted, etc. while offering the enemy more counter play. I like these solutions better than just knocking numbers down a notch.

You never really supported this. You think a moderate amount of forum durrhurring will get them to nerf it, and in the next patch to boot?

Given that we’re not seeing many new rangers in the tournament, the fact that regardless of numbers we all know that ‘lb ranger’ or even ‘3 lb ranger’ does not in any way equal a free win on a map, and the fact that these changes are ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY in pve for any kind of viability, I find your 95% silly.

Not to say that there’s 0% chance they’ll nerf it otherwise, but the pose ’they’re going to nerf it because people are complaining!!!’ is silly.

Change the way the attack works a bit. Total damage remains the same. Reuse remains the same. Channel remains the same. Range remains the same. Mobility remains the same.

But, cut the first few arrows damage in half, raise the rest of the arrows to compensate.

This gives a player some warning shots then they can single dodge the end of the barrage to avoid most of the damage.

Remains a powerful ability with a high damage potential, but the enemies ability to react is improved. Personally I’m not so sure it has to be changed, but I think this would be a decent option if it were to be changed.

I’m the only one that is’nt having problems with LB rangers?

I only play WvW and I play as Guardian (I don’t use wall of reflection), Staff Ele and condition Necro. With necro I have the hardest time, but I still can kill.

The LB rangers are finaly viable. I’m happy with that. I hope they change all other useless/weak weapons that a lot classes have. Like shield, torch and mace on guardian.

The dodge argument is moot in PvP…there are so many things you can hide behind to obstruct their channel, on almost every map.

The exception being graveyard in Foefire.

Do we not realize that Rapid Fire at no point had a damage increase, and that its now even easier to dodge a larger amount of the damage?

Rangers are playable. They’re fun. That should be left alone.

The only “nerf” the ranger longbow should really have is a better tell on Point Blank Shot. Rapid Fire telegraphs itself with the first few arrows and a fairly distinct sound and cast animation and it only hits for about 6K on average. 7K on squishy targets. It’s a lot of damage for a ranged attack, but not that much in the world of burst skills.

This rapid fire outrage has been the most fun the forums have been since the watchwork pick

Ehecatl.9172:

The only “nerf” the ranger longbow should really have is a better tell on Point Blank Shot. Rapid Fire telegraphs itself with the first few arrows and a fairly distinct sound and cast animation and it only hits for about 6K on average. 7K on squishy targets. It’s a lot of damage for a ranged attack, but not that much in the world of burst skills.

If interrupts were more telegraphed you wouldn’t be able to use them

Sube Dai.8496:

If interrupts were more telegraphed you wouldn’t be able to use them

Point Blank Shot isn’t just an interrupt, it’s a powerful knockback sitting on the same weapon that has a powerful long ranged burst. Not evading an interrupt might cause you to not use the skill you wanted to use, not dodging Point Blank Shot might cause you to eat 4-7K damage depending on if you can get up fast enough or not. It’s also vital to keep the enemy from closing the distance and so is a huge part of longbow survival.

It’s a very important skill for the person fighting the longbow ranger to avoid and should have a better telegraph so the player can tell when it’s coming. As is avoiding a Point Blank Shot is almost up to luck.

It’s like if the warrior hammer skill Backbreaker didn’t have a telegraph. It’d be ridiculous.

I’ve been defending the ranger longbow since the patch launched but even I can recognize that a tell on that skill would go a long way to improving the counterplay against the weapon and make it more interactive to fight against.

Checked the leader-board again, not even on the 1000 for both NA/EU.
I’ll just ignore it as usual since they didn’t even play competitvely to begin with, yet generating those “solutions to balance” despite never playing it.

Whenever I see someone QQ about this one trick pony power ranger, they’re almost always those people who never on leader-board, meaning never playing the game competitively, yet they discuss so much about how classes are imbalance.
(And they always make the same excuse of leader-board means nothing. Yes, it does not represent the measure of skill of a player, but if you’re not even on that 1000, which is stupidly easy to get in, it shows that you almost never play a rank battle at all, or lose way too much on every games)

Ehecatl.9172:

It’s like if the warrior hammer skill Backbreaker didn’t have a telegraph. It’d be ridiculous.

heres a better example: just like how Pin down didnt have telegraphed animation and was RNG dodge, and make you take all the CC from hammer.

and no, don’t check my lb please, this aint no my main.

Aomine.5012:

Checked the leader-board again, not even on the 1000 for both NA/EU.
I’ll just ignore it as usual since they didn’t even play competitvely to begin with, yet generating those “solutions to balance” despite never playing it.

Whenever I see someone QQ about this one trick pony power ranger, they’re almost always those people who never on leader-board, meaning never playing the game competitively, yet they discuss so much about how classes are imbalance.
(And they always make the same excuse of leader-board means nothing. Yes, it does not represent the measure of skill of a player, but if you’re not even on that 1000, which is stupidly easy to get in, it shows that you almost never play a rank battle at all, or lose way too much on every games)

snicker

Ehecatl.9172:

Sube Dai.8496:

If interrupts were more telegraphed you wouldn’t be able to use them

Point Blank Shot isn’t just an interrupt, it’s a powerful knockback sitting on the same weapon that has a powerful long ranged burst. Not evading an interrupt might cause you to not use the skill you wanted to use, not dodging Point Blank Shot might cause you to eat 4-7K damage depending on if you can get up fast enough or not. It’s also vital to keep the enemy from closing the distance and so is a huge part of longbow survival.

It’s a very important skill for the person fighting the longbow ranger to avoid and should have a better telegraph so the player can tell when it’s coming. As is avoiding a Point Blank Shot is almost up to luck.

It’s like if the warrior hammer skill Backbreaker didn’t have a telegraph. It’d be ridiculous.

I’ve been defending the ranger longbow since the patch launched but even I can recognize that a tell on that skill would go a long way to improving the counterplay against the weapon and make it more interactive to fight against.

Opening the fight with bps can be a big risk. I prefer to save it for interrupts, particularly stomps.

Gnat.9405:

This rapid fire outrage has been the most fun the forums have been since the watchwork pick

lol and at least that had some legitimate point to it. This is just people being dumb and loud and it is delightful.

Ghotistyx.6942:

Do we not realize that Rapid Fire at no point had a damage increase, and that its now even easier to dodge a larger amount of the damage?

No, a lot of (stupid) people miss this point.

This is how you balance rapid fire = reduce the vulnerability stacks from 10 to 6 or 5.

Or remove vulnerability all together, and increse the damage by 7% to 10%

Dragon.8762:

This is how you balance rapid fire = reduce the vulnerability stacks from 10 to 6 or 5.

Or remove vulnerability all together, and increse the damage by 7% to 10%

I’m sure a lot of us would be happy with the 10vuln going back on hunter’s shot as a single application.

This would actually make the skill stronger though, not weaker (or balanced, but people mean weaker when they use the word.)

Dragon.8762:

Substance E.4852:

Dragon.8762:

This is how you balance rapid fire = reduce the vulnerability stacks from 10 to 6 or 5.

Or remove vulnerability all together, and increse the damage by 7% to 10%

I’m sure a lot of us would be happy with the 10vuln going back on hunter’s shot as a single application.

This would actually make the skill stronger though, not weaker (or balanced, but people mean weaker when they use the word.)

What about a 3% increase in damage but no vulnerability?

Dragon.8762:

Dragon.8762:

Substance E.4852:

Dragon.8762:

This is how you balance rapid fire = reduce the vulnerability stacks from 10 to 6 or 5.

Or remove vulnerability all together, and increse the damage by 7% to 10%

I’m sure a lot of us would be happy with the 10vuln going back on hunter’s shot as a single application.

This would actually make the skill stronger though, not weaker (or balanced, but people mean weaker when they use the word.)

What about a 3% increase in damage but no vulnerability?

Actually thinking about it, putting the vulnerability back on hunter’s shot wouldn’t be that much of a buff since it’s a big red sign shouting “DODGE NOW TO NOT DIE” when you get 10-15vuln and the ranger disappears.

Substance E.4852:

Dragon.8762:

Dragon.8762:

Substance E.4852:

Dragon.8762:

This is how you balance rapid fire = reduce the vulnerability stacks from 10 to 6 or 5.

Or remove vulnerability all together, and increse the damage by 7% to 10%

I’m sure a lot of us would be happy with the 10vuln going back on hunter’s shot as a single application.

This would actually make the skill stronger though, not weaker (or balanced, but people mean weaker when they use the word.)

What about a 3% increase in damage but no vulnerability?

Actually thinking about it, putting the vulnerability back on hunter’s shot wouldn’t be that much of a buff since it’s a big red sign shouting “DODGE NOW TO NOT DIE” when you get 10-15vuln and the ranger disappears.

Yup, that works as well.

Eh personally I would reduce the damage of rapid fire by say around 30%.

But to compensate I would put a short cripple duration on rapid fire (say 1 second each for last 4 shots) & buff the damage of hunter’s shot & point blank shot.

This ^ would ensure that the majority of the damage is not dependent on 1 skill & give longbow rangers a bit more ability to kite.

In the end this change would allow good rangers to kite enemies better while still doing decent damage & bad rangers would still suck.

The whole point of Rapid fire is to be a DPS increase over the auto attack. Nerfing it by 30% would just put the DPS where it was.

1-steady long range pressure, if used at close range its abysmal
2-ranged burst. High numbers only if 66xxx build full glass no defense and SotW.
3-utility
4-utility
5-suicide

Stop whining and learn to play. Once you face good players as a ranger the play/counterplay gets up to another level because every tool you have can just be reflected back (pun intended). I would argue that 6×6xx or 60260 is a much better build then 66xxx. Especially for WvW.

And besides, all of these complaints are comming from WvW where you can stack over 2700 power from various sources: guard stacks, food, ascended weapons. And as long as thats there, and you have things like perplexity runes WvW is not really relevant is it?

Chokolata.1870:

The whole point of Rapid fire is to be a DPS increase over the auto attack. Nerfing it by 30% would just put the DPS where it was.

1-steady long range pressure, if used at close range its abysmal
2-ranged burst. High numbers only if 66xxx build full glass no defense and SotW.
3-utility
4-utility
5-suicide

Stop whining and learn to play. Once you face good players as a ranger the play/counterplay gets up to another level because every tool you have can just be reflected back (pun intended). I would argue that 6×6xx or 60260 is a much better build then 66xxx. Especially for WvW.

And besides, all of these complaints are comming from WvW where you can stack over 2700 power from various sources: guard stacks, food, ascended weapons. And as long as thats there, and you have things like perplexity runes WvW is not really relevant is it?

Think you missed the part where I said I would

1: buff the damage of Hunter’s shot and point blank shot
&
2: have rapid fire also apply cripple

in order to compensate.

Over all if done right the damage would be the same over time (possibly higher) & rangers would have more utility (new cripple on rapid fire).
The damage would just just be a little more spread out so it couldn’t be unloaded as fast.

Good rangers would still dominate, heck they might even be better cause they would be able to kite more effectively.
Bad rangers would suffer because they wouldn’t be able to drop people quite a quickly.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

The damage would just just be a little more spread out so it couldn’t be unloaded as fast.

lol, that is the exact reason why rapid fire was garbage before the buff.

Substance E.4852:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

The damage would just just be a little more spread out so it couldn’t be unloaded as fast.

lol, that is the exact reason why rapid fire was garbage before the buff.

Even if they reduced the damage by say 30% then tacked other utility onto rapid fire it would still be better then it was before.

It sucked before because it was barely any increase gain over simply using #1.
Since they cut the cast time in half it has become a massive damage increase over simply using #1 & as a plus it applies vulnerability.

At the end of the day after playing all classes & looking at it from both a ranger POV as well as others I can say with certainty it is bad design to have 1 single non class mechanic skill do so much damage so fast when it is on such a low CD.
Having it that way attracts lots of bad players to the class & will likely end up with a straight up nerf.

I would much rather they fix it soon with a well thought out change then simply nerf it and forget about the after effects.
This ^ is why I’m suggesting changes instead of just saying nerf it.

Best way to balance it would be to
- increase cast time by .5 seconds
-take away two of the hits

actually the real culprit is #4.

Don’t change it ad all
the pll that QQ now about ranger

are mostly players that win always VS a ranger with out trouble
like warrior when the 100B was very OP

ore thief S/D build
Ranger was always the underdog and w8ting for 2 years to get out of that hole
and now ad last we are better and pll don’t like it -.-

i hope Anet don’t change ranger for 2 years so you get used to
how it feels like to get kill t all the time

ore get kickt out of a dungeon because we don’t need rangers -.-

i speak for my self and all rangers here that we deserve this update
we already have be w8ting much to long