Guild Wars 2

I blew up a ranger in pvp with my ele.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQJArdhcM6Z2ywkBd0ACAWwAQFQcK4CUDL+FeDA-TJBFwACeAAl2foaZAAnAAA

Ele is now OP.

Discuss.

Those points in fire magic would be better elsewhere imo. Anyway, it’s really glassy, celestial will still win.

oxtred.7658:

Those points in fire magic would be better elsewhere imo. Anyway, it’s really glassy, celestial will still win.

I did it for the power boost.. but I agree..The points in fire could be used somewhere else.
and yes.
Celestial is still king

But the point of my experiment was to test a pure glass vs a pure glass..

My ele won 80% of the time when I was fighting the standard 6/6/x ranger
condi’s killed me.
and focus fire killed me

I melted a ranger with my necro while roaming in WvW

Necro is now OP.

4 points only for a minor boost especially considering you don’t bring that 10% modifier anyway isn’t that great. No evasive arcana/ any points in water from a pvp standpoint is pretty dangerous as well. I’d move those to arcana and water. Anything with focus offhand has an advantage against rangers and nades engi.

Jim Hunter.6821:

I melted a ranger with my necro while roaming in WvW

Necro is now OP.

He gets the point.

oxtred.7658:

4 points only for a minor boost especially considering you don’t bring that 10% modifier anyway isn’t that great. No evasive arcana/ any points in water from a pvp standpoint is pretty dangerous as well. I’d move those to arcana and water. Anything with focus offhand has an advantage against rangers and nades engi.

Nope rangers have no counter’s…if you beat one you are OP….
dont you read the forums.

It’s not about the counter available, it’s about the low risk for such a high reward. Eles have easy access to reflects and proj absorb, but it’s not the case for everyone.

oxtred.7658:

It’s not about the counter available, it’s about the low risk for such a high reward. Eles have easy access to reflects and proj absorb, but it’s not the case for everyone.

So i need to do this with a cele axe warrior..got it..let me go make that build and fight some..

Oh..if you have a ranger we could duel..
I’m in the goonies 1 v 1 arena

You can show me how bad warriors have it against the glassbow ranger.

oxtred.7658:

It’s not about the counter available, it’s about the low risk for such a high reward. Eles have easy access to reflects and proj absorb, but it’s not the case for everyone.

Only focus has projectile absorb and only staff/focus have reflect, unless you wanna count that weird Projectile Block effect on Ring of Earth that I’ve personally never really had much success in using that way. Which is odd, since whenever you hear someone complain about ele, its always D/D is OP. But yeah, Rapid Fire is huge reward for usually no risk unless your opponent has a reflect ready for you, in which case you cancel rapid fire with a dodge and in turn dodge the arrows reflected at you at the same time. IMO, rapid fire should be like their sword autoattack(even though that sword auto attack really shouldn’t be like that), it roots and prevents dodge cancelling while active. This would at least give it some risk and reward players for reacting quickly and reflecting.

Don’t wanna sound rude but most rangers can’t dodge already.
Solori, this game isn’t about off point 1v1. A ranger can melt people at range without fearing retaliation ( not the actual boon, huh). The buff to rf is fine as far as balance goes, but it breaks anet’s rule of melee> ranged and high risk high reward. All ranged weapons should be kiting weapons with moderate damage to apply pressure, not l33t360noscopetoplel machines.

Jim Hunter.6821:

I melted a ranger with my necro while roaming in WvW

Necro is now OP.

I melted a Ranger AND a Necro in PvE

Ele is more OP!

I killed a rabbit with my glass thief.
Rabbit underpowered

oxtred.7658:

Don’t wanna sound rude but most rangers can’t dodge already.

It’s not rude, but it’s very wrong because most people can’t dodge, those rangers you see were once warriors

sminkiottone.6972:

oxtred.7658:

Don’t wanna sound rude but most rangers can’t dodge already.

It’s not rude, but it’s very wrong because most people can’t dodge, those rangers you see were once warriors

It’s not their fault. Warriors have been trained to face tank the damage and outheal it.

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

I killed a rabbit with my glass thief.
Rabbit underpowered

Rabbit is fine. Every other class is OP. Nerf everything so they can’t oneshot rabbits anymore.

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

I killed a rabbit with my glass thief.
Rabbit underpowered

No that means thieves are op

oxtred.7658:

Don’t wanna sound rude but most rangers can’t dodge already.
Solori, this game isn’t about off point 1v1. A ranger can melt people at range without fearing retaliation ( not the actual boon, huh). The buff to rf is fine as far as balance goes, but it breaks anet’s rule of melee> ranged and high risk high reward. All ranged weapons should be kiting weapons with moderate damage to apply pressure, not l33t360noscopetoplel machines.

Not rude at all..but your arguement doesnt make sense.

There aren’t many maps in Spvp where a ranger can utilise its 1500 range and be a complete threat and not worry about terrain or you getting in range.

IF a ranger has a point. great..you close the distance..and get on point..so far..traiting my warrior with projectile reflect. I have a reflect every 10 seconds.

People need to adjust.
This was a melee meta where people didn’t have to worry about any type of ranged pressure.
Sadly,…knowing this comunity…
It wont happen.

Yeah, and melee is arguably more exciting to watch than ranged skirmish about who is the best LoSer. Eles will just run focus and rangers won’t exist in high level ( at least not sniperqq longbow), but in average/low level pvp it’s a problem. Anyway i’m not here to argue if rangers are op or not, this has been discussed ad nauseam elsewhere.

oxtred.7658:

Yeah, and melee is arguably more exciting to watch than ranged skirmish about who is the best LoSer. Eles will just run focus and rangers won’t exist in high level ( at least not sniperqq longbow), but in average/low level pvp it’s a problem. Anyway i’m not here to argue if rangers are op or not, this has been discussed ad nauseam elsewhere.

oH.. I almost forgot the intent on this thread and why,

Post a build which works for you in the new ranged meta.

I’ll post one for mesmer too.

P.S. but it has to follow with the tag its op :P

oxtred.7658:

Don’t wanna sound rude but most rangers can’t dodge already.
Solori, this game isn’t about off point 1v1. A ranger can melt people at range without fearing retaliation ( not the actual boon, huh). The buff to rf is fine as far as balance goes, but it breaks anet’s rule of melee> ranged and high risk high reward. All ranged weapons should be kiting weapons with moderate damage to apply pressure, not l33t360noscopetoplel machines.

This would be plausible if the ranged weapons actually had the tools to kite effectively, but they don’t. The number of gap closers, condition removal, stun breaks, and swiftness is too high in this game for a pure kiter to be at all viable. In this game the enemy WILL get in close. It’s just a matter if it takes them five seconds or ten.

Not to mention the existence of heal skills making a moderate damage pressure fighting style more or less non-viable unless you jack yourself full of defenses, which the sniper ranger doesn’t run with. Or how terrible a kiting weapon set would be where the only PVP game mode involves standing on a point.

You’re basically suggesting the longbow ranger should have to build full glass to do moderate damage. That wouldn’t be even close to viable.

oxtred.7658:

anet’s rule of melee> ranged and high risk high reward.

I don’t think either exists as a rule A-net adheres to .

They did in the past, but they kind of forgot it. Glass rangers still have a 6 sec total immunity to direct damage, and access to good stunbreakers/ cc. I still agree with you Ehecatl; ranged weapons for now doesn’t have access to the kiting superiority they should have. IMO, they should nerf all the ranged spec damage, and add easier time for retraiting off a fight or aoe harassing people on a point while being safe. But it would require a revamp of many things, so yeah. What i suggest is, a full glass gs ranger should do more damage than a lb one, yes. Because one has to eat all the damage in the face, and the other is just going through his rotations off point while someone else prevent the cap. At least that’s how I see things, that doesn’t mean it’s the perfect answer to everything.

I’m really not sure why people call someone with damage OP! I’m not sure if people dont know what true balance really is. If you do high damage, your defense is low (aka glass cannon), if you have high defense, your damage is low (aka a tank), if you are in the middle ground, then your defense is meh, and your damage is meh (aka middle ground). The Ranger is being called OP because it can hit like a 8k with one really fast hitting spell, so you come here and complain about it. If you didn’t know about something called reflects, retaliation, and dodge, you may want to think about looking up what those are. It is so incredibly easy to one dodge out of rapid fire, or just completely reflect it, as well as put up retaliation…it actually helps -_-. Elementalists S/D or S/F is incredibly powerful, I’ll give you that one, but really…if an elementalist gets off that huge combo on you before you two shot it into oblivion, you deserve to die. IMO just learn class mechanics and rotations and you pretty much can beat and class with whatever you want.

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I wanted to kill a duo of Full zerk rangers but they kept running away after the RF’s from 1500 yards failed..too bad i got Stuck behind my guildies Reflect wall, gap was too far to close with gs , i really wanted to finish them off :p

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

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I wanted to kill a duo of Full zerk rangers but they kept running away after the RF’s from 1500 yards failed..too bad i got Stuck behind my guildies Reflect wall, gap was too far to close with gs , i really wanted to finish them off :p

So if a ranger kills a ranger does that make rangers over powered or under powered?

Jim Hunter.6821:

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

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I wanted to kill a duo of Full zerk rangers but they kept running away after the RF’s from 1500 yards failed..too bad i got Stuck behind my guildies Reflect wall, gap was too far to close with gs , i really wanted to finish them off :p

So if a ranger kills a ranger does that make rangers over powered or under powered?

Confusing TMI , brain Op.
well if it wasn’t for the camp being flipped by us , im sure we would of chased these zerk rangers back to the gates of Balthazars temple and back again, they were annoying no less to say…

Anhomedog.7968:

I’m really not sure why people call someone with damage OP! I’m not sure if people dont know what true balance really is. If you do high damage, your defense is low (aka glass cannon), if you have high defense, your damage is low (aka a tank), if you are in the middle ground, then your defense is meh, and your damage is meh (aka middle ground). The Ranger is being called OP because it can hit like a 8k with one really fast hitting spell, so you come here and complain about it. If you didn’t know about something called reflects, retaliation, and dodge, you may want to think about looking up what those are. It is so incredibly easy to one dodge out of rapid fire, or just completely reflect it, as well as put up retaliation…it actually helps -_-. Elementalists S/D or S/F is incredibly powerful, I’ll give you that one, but really…if an elementalist gets off that huge combo on you before you two shot it into oblivion, you deserve to die. IMO just learn class mechanics and rotations and you pretty much can beat and class with whatever you want.

People complain because their burst is a single skill at the longest range and honestly the best complement to it is autoattack. At least with a S/D or S/F ele, their burst is on a fairly good cd and involves using several skills within a short time. For RF, its one skill over a short time out of most classes’ range. Retaliation is good and all, but not all classes can access it and won’t exactly be applying major pressure compared to the 8k you just ate to proc all the retal, so I would not suggest tanking RF just because you have retaliation. Reflects are also not accessible to many classes or at the very least would mean sacrifices to general viability just to counter one archetype of one class(but lets face it, there are a lot of freaking longbow rangers now) and even then, most can’t match the cd. Assuming you do get off the reflect, the ranger still has the advantage. They can cancel their skill with a dodge, which will at the same time dodge any projectiles you reflected back at them.

IMO the skill is a little over the top, especially since there were tons of other changes they could’ve made to increase ranger viability that players who actually played ranger before would’ve enjoyed (cough Sword auto attack cough) and my suggestion would be to make it root and prevent dodge cancelling just like the sword auto attack does but shouldn’t. This makes the skill more high risk-high reward like burst should be instead of just low risk at long range-high reward while at the same time making reflects a very viable counter to it instead of just a way to get the ranger to cancel the skill and try again in 8 seconds.

sminkiottone.6972:

oxtred.7658:

Don’t wanna sound rude but most rangers can’t dodge already.

It’s not rude, but it’s very wrong because most people can’t dodge, those rangers you see were once warriors

I practically only play the Warrior class, and as a Warrior I completely agree with you. It’s actually really nice to not get called “OP” just because I happen to play the same class as people who abuse the class and give it a bad name. I will /salute Warriors and day, and other classes if I think they deserve it :P

Jim Hunter.6821:

I melted a ranger with my necro while roaming in WvW

Necro is now OP.

My knockback can one-shot any class or build in EotM. KB is OP.

Yay for Solari plugging my arena (: now all you fools go play and I’ll see ya soon :p

I find myself having less trouble with Rangers and more trouble with Hambow Warriors and Medi Guards currently on my Ele.

Of course I’m not running the meta cele build so that’s mostly my problem I think.