Guild Wars 2

Hello again all, Blissless here, I’m just here to ask again for the devs to revert the change to iLeap that disables the use of swap on clone death.

I have been a sword/staff Mesmer since I started the game, it’s the set that I love, it’s very possible I’ve logged more time on the set than any other Mesmer and I’ve stuck with sword through thick and thin, through the death of focus to sword #2 nerfs and so on. Nothing has managed to drive me away from sword other than this, this is the only change which has almost killed sword as a viable tool in combat, the recent update to iLeap/swap was appreciated but it is not nearly enough to offset how bad this change has been for sword

I do not think that there’s any balance argument to justify the “fix”, I am a cloth class using my only targeted gap closer to leap into melee range, that is more than you can say for Thief (med) or Guardian/Warrior (heavy) who do not suffer these limitations.

I beg of the devs to please change this skill back to the way it was, it is the only change that could drive me to shelve Mes for good. The clone is killed by almost anything (even with signet) and the leap will fail more often than not simply because of how much cleave and AoE is an integral part of GW2 combat.

- Blissless

The teleport change of IL is a nice change, what needs to be fixed is the random going straight on CD at max range and also if the Mesmer could still port after the clone had been shattered as before would be nice.

Why has the recent change ruined MH sword for you though? its less buggy than it was before..

Honestly I prefer the current version (teleport but no swap-on-dead-clone and only 1 leap finisher) to the old version.

The new one is much faster to come out, can be used nearly instantly and can genuinely surprise someone. Even in heavy-AE situations the clone won’t die fast enough if you hammer the button to not be able to swap, and that means a very reliably leap finisher through a field under the enemy.

Sure, it comes at the cost of having issues delaying the swap to later. But as far as actually closing the distance goes, this one feels much more useful.

I leap has major issues. Its a very week corner closer compared to other class’s. It does no damage, and has many MANY counter ability and restrictions that every other class does not need to worry about.

What NEEDs to be done!
1) make it so the clone is immune to damage (not cc, and conditions) for 4 sec on creation

2)instead of NO clone being summoned when attempting to use this skill out of range instead make it so when using this skill out of range the clone teleports ~600 distance from the mesmer toward the target allowing the mesmer to then swap with it and somewhat use it as a mobility skill

3)remove the leap “finisher” from swap and instead place it on leap.

All this = i leap/swap is perfect.

do not revert it to the previous state please

Be careful what you wish for or ask for “Reverting Ileap” is a loaded revolver playing Russian roulette that got us the problem in the first place. Functionally it’s fine now. (aside from range bug)

That all being said as a Shatter mesmer main it sucks but it’s not like it’s game breaking… clearly it’s a nerf but it’s just slightly hard mode now and an excuse to point at for counter play without hurting our playstyle.

I think in terms of balance and keeping mesmers happy it’s best if I-leap is just left alone outside of it’s range properly being set to 600. (Please fix this soon A-net)

Gotta give something up for it but signet of illusions might be a consideration for you.

Although yeah pre patch feature pack 2 it was a harsh unjustified nerf when it was already a pain to set up a shatter.

They buff your skill to no longer be as clunky, and you still want to port to dead clones….

No thank you. Learn to swap in <0.75 seconds, and don’t send such clones into blobs expecting them to survive.

Daishi.6027:

Be careful what you wish for or ask for “Reverting Ileap” is a loaded revolver playing Russian roulette that got us the problem in the first place. Functionally it’s fine now. (aside from range bug)

That all being said as a Shatter mesmer main it sucks but it’s not like it’s game breaking… clearly it’s a nerf but it’s just slightly hard mode now and an excuse to point at for counter play without hurting our playstyle.

I think in terms of balance and keeping mesmers happy it’s best if I-leap is just left alone outside of it’s range properly being set to 600. (Please fix this soon A-net)

Gotta give something up for it but signet of illusions might be a consideration for you.

Although yeah pre patch feature pack 2 it was a harsh unjustified nerf when it was already a pain to set up a shatter.

I don’t really get your self-masochism to be honest. You don’t see other mains offering themselves up on the pyre with, “Well I’d like this change but it might be a bit much, we still need to offer counterplay, this is enough, let’s be happy”, run into any Ele/Thief/Nec/whatever thread and it’s all ArenaNet hates us for being too beautiful please give us more stuff thanks. I dunno what’s the point of being reasonable any more? Players in this game don’t want balance, they want their preferred character to be a special snowflake, I only knew one true multi-class player (GW1 vet) and he left a long time ago.

Functionally it isn’t fine, swap deactivating on clone death makes it terribly unreliable and it killed off one of the skill’s advantages which was swap mind games.

shimmerless.4560:

Functionally it isn’t fine, swap deactivating on clone death makes it terribly unreliable and it killed off one of the skill’s advantages which was swap mind games.

So a near instant cast stun breaker and AoE immobilize leading to a heavy cleave isn’t good because you can’t swap to a dead clone? How about don’t send the clone into a cluster kitten and realize that your clones are not tanks of war…

You had a major QoL fix on the skill, if you wana play god there is an APP for that that fits nice and snug into your pocket. Quit asking for non-sense to break rules because you can’t set anything up.

shimmerless.4560:

I don’t really get your self-masochism to be honest. You don’t see other mains offering themselves up on the pyre with, “Well I’d like this change but it might be a bit much, we still need to offer counterplay, this is enough, let’s be happy”, run into any Ele/Thief/Nec/whatever thread and it’s all ArenaNet hates us for being too beautiful please give us more stuff thanks. I dunno what’s the point of being reasonable any more? Players in this game don’t want balance, they want their preferred character to be a special snowflake, I only knew one true multi-class player (GW1 vet) and he left a long time ago.

Functionally it isn’t fine, swap deactivating on clone death makes it terribly unreliable and it killed off one of the skill’s advantages which was swap mind games.

The key is similar to most builds on most professions. You need to have battle and situation awareness, so that you do not use skills in a manner that minimizes them in battle. You can double tap the key linked to the kill to spawn the clone, then to follow up and swap with it, very, very quickly. In my experience, if your clone is dieing in that very small amount of time, you either spent entirely too much time waiting to utilize the swap, or are not utilizing enough situational awareness. At least those are the only reasons I ever find it to be an issue.

shimmerless.4560:

I don’t really get your self-masochism to be honest. You don’t see other mains offering themselves up on the pyre.

I may be a Shatter Mesmer main but I ultimately just want everything to be at least relatively fair for everyone. Nothing comes from me going around demanding buffs to my class and nerfs to builds that my main has trouble with.

I’ve always had a strong opinion on levels of risk vs reward. Although lots of builds in this game are low risk builds that are to strong for their output, I wouldn’t want my main to fall under the category. And if we can keep it up maybe we can use it as an example for other builds to follow.

The current I-leap is more tactical/technical than what we had before, but it’s a lot more useable as opposed to baiting a doge. Only “Unusable” part I find is when it just goes strait to cool when when I am clearly within range >>

Daishi.6027:

shimmerless.4560:

I don’t really get your self-masochism to be honest. You don’t see other mains offering themselves up on the pyre.

I may be a Shatter Mesmer main but I ultimately just want everything to be at least relatively fair for everyone. Nothing comes from me going around demanding buffs to my class and nerfs to builds that my main has trouble with.

I’ve always had a strong opinion on levels of risk vs reward. Although lots of builds in this game are low risk builds that are to strong for their output, I wouldn’t want my main to fall under the category. And if we can keep it up maybe we can use it as an example for other builds to follow.

The current I-leap is more tactical/technical than what we had before, but it’s a lot more useable as opposed to baiting a doge. Only “Unusable” part I find is when it just goes strait to cool when when I am clearly within range >>

I don’t want shatter Mes to lose its risk-reward either muffin, you can look at my post history to see that, but why stick our heads in the sand about it as well? Getting a reliable swap back is just reverting us to a spec that was already well-balanced for the most part before.

I think there is a point where we are being too tough on ourselves while others scamper away scot-free. I have even made suggestions to appease the newer/uninformed players by getting rid of the stun-break on swap in exchange for changing back the “bug fix”, I thought this would show I am not just interested in a free handout. I mean honestly on any other class this would be a priority #1 QoL change and yet you have Mesmers arguing we shouldn’t ask for too much too fast. Sword was not meta even in NA to begin with, this change has made it close to unusable against players who know how the class works.

I really just want my Mesmer back.

shimmerless.4560:

I think there is a point where we are being too tough on ourselves while others scamper away scot-free…..
I really just want my Mesmer back.

Really? You must be the special profession that gets punished with 0 compensation because of forum Q.Q. Hard to think of another profession that has asked for rational changes towards themselves :/

I just want my thief left alone

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

I think there is a point where we are being too tough on ourselves while others scamper away scot-free…..
I really just want my Mesmer back.

Really? You must be the special profession that gets punished with 0 compensation because of forum Q.Q. Hard to think of another profession that has asked for rational changes towards themselves :/

I just want my thief left alone

You should re-read what I actually said if that’s what you took from it.

shimmerless.4560:

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

I think there is a point where we are being too tough on ourselves while others scamper away scot-free…..
I really just want my Mesmer back.

Really? You must be the special profession that gets punished with 0 compensation because of forum Q.Q. Hard to think of another profession that has asked for rational changes towards themselves :/

I just want my thief left alone

You should re-read what I actually said if that’s what you took from it.

I don’t see how you can believe the Mesmer players are being kitten themselves when saying what they have is enough. I’ve read a lot of Mesmer feedback on the ileap change since the update and almost all of them are happy with the change even with the small bug relating to range. It finally connects reliably, its fluid, it works but there are still those few people who think they need to go further and revert the dead clone swap “nerf” because it isn’t fair.

There is a point where people are asking for too much and you’re there atm.

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

I think there is a point where we are being too tough on ourselves while others scamper away scot-free…..
I really just want my Mesmer back.

Really? You must be the special profession that gets punished with 0 compensation because of forum Q.Q. Hard to think of another profession that has asked for rational changes towards themselves :/

I just want my thief left alone

You should re-read what I actually said if that’s what you took from it.

I don’t see how you can believe the Mesmer players are being kitten themselves when saying what they have is enough. I’ve read a lot of Mesmer feedback on the ileap change since the update and almost all of them are happy with the change even with the small bug relating to range. It finally connects reliably, its fluid, it works but there are still those few people who think they need to go further and revert the dead clone swap “nerf” because it isn’t fair.

There is a point where people are asking for too much and you’re there atm.

No, I’m not, you don’t really know what you’re talking about (nor does this forum represent all or even most Mesmer players). Any Mesmer at a high level will tell you sword wasn’t viable in teams before and got even worse with the “fix” regardless of the clone update. I’m more than happy to bring them in here to give their 2c if you like.

Pug/WvW/alt-character Mesmers may have wanted this oh so “fluid” change, but then those same Mesmers also wanted conditions on scepter auto, fixes to phantasmal haste and buffs to Mender’s Purity (to the point that it’s pretty insane right now) so maybe you should be careful whose company you keep.

shimmerless.4560:

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

I think there is a point where we are being too tough on ourselves while others scamper away scot-free…..
I really just want my Mesmer back.

Really? You must be the special profession that gets punished with 0 compensation because of forum Q.Q. Hard to think of another profession that has asked for rational changes towards themselves :/

I just want my thief left alone

You should re-read what I actually said if that’s what you took from it.

I don’t see how you can believe the Mesmer players are being kitten themselves when saying what they have is enough. I’ve read a lot of Mesmer feedback on the ileap change since the update and almost all of them are happy with the change even with the small bug relating to range. It finally connects reliably, its fluid, it works but there are still those few people who think they need to go further and revert the dead clone swap “nerf” because it isn’t fair.

There is a point where people are asking for too much and you’re there atm.

No, I’m not, you don’t really know what you’re talking about (nor does this forum represent all or even most Mesmer players). Any Mesmer at a high level will tell you sword wasn’t viable in teams before and got even worse with the “fix” regardless of the clone update. I’m more than happy to bring them in here to give their 2c if you like.

Pug/WvW/alt-character Mesmers may have wanted this oh so “fluid” change, but then those same Mesmers also wanted conditions on scepter auto, fixes to phantasmal haste and buffs to Mender’s Purity (to the point that it’s pretty insane right now) so maybe you should be careful whose company you keep.

Still doesn’t change the fact that you want to bend the rules on your clone mechanic so that you can ignore your surroundings and fire ileap off with no problems. You should be able to adapt to your surroundings especially with the teleports and stealth to place ileap appropriately rather than expecting it to face tank a bunch of zerkers and conditions. Such a change is not balanced and I highly doubt it would suddenly make sword that much more “viable”.

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

I think there is a point where we are being too tough on ourselves while others scamper away scot-free…..
I really just want my Mesmer back.

Really? You must be the special profession that gets punished with 0 compensation because of forum Q.Q. Hard to think of another profession that has asked for rational changes towards themselves :/

I just want my thief left alone

You should re-read what I actually said if that’s what you took from it.

I don’t see how you can believe the Mesmer players are being kitten themselves when saying what they have is enough. I’ve read a lot of Mesmer feedback on the ileap change since the update and almost all of them are happy with the change even with the small bug relating to range. It finally connects reliably, its fluid, it works but there are still those few people who think they need to go further and revert the dead clone swap “nerf” because it isn’t fair.

There is a point where people are asking for too much and you’re there atm.

No, I’m not, you don’t really know what you’re talking about (nor does this forum represent all or even most Mesmer players). Any Mesmer at a high level will tell you sword wasn’t viable in teams before and got even worse with the “fix” regardless of the clone update. I’m more than happy to bring them in here to give their 2c if you like.

Pug/WvW/alt-character Mesmers may have wanted this oh so “fluid” change, but then those same Mesmers also wanted conditions on scepter auto, fixes to phantasmal haste and buffs to Mender’s Purity (to the point that it’s pretty insane right now) so maybe you should be careful whose company you keep.

Still doesn’t change the fact that you want to bend the rules on your clone mechanic so that you can ignore your surroundings and fire ileap off with no problems. You should be able to adapt to your surroundings especially with the teleports and stealth to place ileap appropriately rather than expecting it to face tank a bunch of zerkers and conditions. Such a change is not balanced and I highly doubt it would suddenly make sword that much more “viable”.

Like I said I don’t mean any offence but you don’t really know what you’re saying. I should point out that the change is a revert (it already worked this way for the majority of the game’s lifespan) and no one of any note had an issue with Illusionary Leap being too strong before. If swapping without a clone was such a big deal then frankly someone would’ve said so by now.

Please leave iLeap alone. It’s wonderful now.

shimmerless.4560:

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

NinjaEd.3946:

shimmerless.4560:

I think there is a point where we are being too tough on ourselves while others scamper away scot-free…..
I really just want my Mesmer back.

Really? You must be the special profession that gets punished with 0 compensation because of forum Q.Q. Hard to think of another profession that has asked for rational changes towards themselves :/

I just want my thief left alone

You should re-read what I actually said if that’s what you took from it.

I don’t see how you can believe the Mesmer players are being kitten themselves when saying what they have is enough. I’ve read a lot of Mesmer feedback on the ileap change since the update and almost all of them are happy with the change even with the small bug relating to range. It finally connects reliably, its fluid, it works but there are still those few people who think they need to go further and revert the dead clone swap “nerf” because it isn’t fair.

There is a point where people are asking for too much and you’re there atm.

No, I’m not, you don’t really know what you’re talking about (nor does this forum represent all or even most Mesmer players). Any Mesmer at a high level will tell you sword wasn’t viable in teams before and got even worse with the “fix” regardless of the clone update. I’m more than happy to bring them in here to give their 2c if you like.

Pug/WvW/alt-character Mesmers may have wanted this oh so “fluid” change, but then those same Mesmers also wanted conditions on scepter auto, fixes to phantasmal haste and buffs to Mender’s Purity (to the point that it’s pretty insane right now) so maybe you should be careful whose company you keep.

Still doesn’t change the fact that you want to bend the rules on your clone mechanic so that you can ignore your surroundings and fire ileap off with no problems. You should be able to adapt to your surroundings especially with the teleports and stealth to place ileap appropriately rather than expecting it to face tank a bunch of zerkers and conditions. Such a change is not balanced and I highly doubt it would suddenly make sword that much more “viable”.

I should point out that the change is a revert (it already worked this way for the majority of the game’s lifespan) and no one of any note had an issue with Illusionary Leap being too strong before

You’re right, they didn’t complain about it being too strong. They complained about it being far too telegraphed and bugged to even make contact when passing over simple terrain like a step.

So please tell me why you’d like to go back to teleporting to dead clones that rarely ever made it to their target to begin with? I’m not trying to make this sound personal but you really need to see what your suggestion is asking for and realize its a step in the wrong direction. The guy who posted above me here is one of the many examples of people who are more than satisfied with the change to ileap, just leave it alone.

shimmerless.4560:

I don’t want shatter Mes to lose its risk-reward either muffin

Hehe~ I’m a muffin~ <3~ <3~ (Don’t do drugs kids.)

So ultimately are you ok with the current functionality? With the whole clone warping to target thing? Cuz revoking the on clone death part or not I’d rather not lose the reliable swap. <3

The old pathing issue has to STAY FAR AWAY!

I think people are getting confused about what I’m asking for. The newer swap I can take or leave it, it doesn’t really matter any more.

What I want changed back is the “bug fix” that now prevents swapping on clone death.

shimmerless.4560:

I think people are getting confused about what I’m asking for. The newer swap I can take or leave it, it doesn’t really matter any more.

What I want changed back is the “bug fix” that now prevents swapping on clone death.

That was a bug fix…. at the wrong time but with the new and improved swap, yeah it was a bug.

Tell you what. You can swap with dead clones when necros can port to dead wurms. Sound fair?

I’m not really interested in whether it was a bug fix or not, I’m proposing it gets reversed.