Guild Wars 2

Note: ive originally opened such a topic in the mesmer forum, this was a mistake, this forum is the appropriate forum.

i mostly play Spvp, i play new classes from time to time if i get bored playing my main pvp classes (ranger, warrior, necro), so i can experience a new play style and perhaps learn how to counter certain situations.
well i made myself a power Mesmer, i usually prefer healing power over vitality so i got a Valk amulet.
basically i don’t understand why this is allowed to continue, despite never playing a mesmer i did extremely well right away, the amount of healing i got using the signet of ether and spamming clones (which heal me) bundled with evade, stealth, teleport in addition to bursting awesomely, there was no learning curve there is no risk and reward, its just mindless fun burning down pretty much anyone except some really good AOE players (i even won most of those 1v1s).
but then i wanted to see how far can i push it asking if the best way to win matches is just to go with a bunker guardian or a bunker warrior and cap them points holding them forever?
no i found that the best way is just to stand near the other teams respwan (team arena) with a bunker and an engi and just burn anyone who jumps out in a few seconds.
but then i realized that i wouldn’t like the same being done to me so its time to try another build (the build is not presented for this reason, yet figuring it out shouldn’t be too hard with all the information i already gave).
This is team pvp, it should require skill, builds should have cons.
im sure playing mesmers requires lots of skill and has many cons but not this sort of build.

Shatter? Clone spammer? PU? What build? Mesmer is one of the hardest classes to master in PvP

Even though I also read the one in the Mesmer forums, I still don’t get, what your intention is.

You describe some (in your eyes) “OP-Mesmer Build”, but without posting which build you actually use.
At least, plz use something like this:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/

What do you expect us to do with your post?
Do you rly think, sb will come up with sth. like “oh yea! I totally no that one Mesmer build with clones and heal signet!”?

At least I find it also somehow funny, that you seem to think the difference between valkyrie and berserker amulett is healing power / vitality and completly ignore the fact that valkyrie gives a lot toughness, while berserker provides you with prezision.

Furthermore, you describe your pvp tactics which is farming the enemy on their spawnpoint, which has nothing to do with a Mesmer build. Not to mention that this tactics wont work properly, as all maps actually have 2 exits.

And plz, when you talk about Team Arena, call it “Team Arena” / “TeamQueue” / “TQueue” / “Tpvp” or sth. As “Team pvp” at least for me isn’T specific enough as every mode (besides duelling servers) needs teams.

I can only assume he played a power phantasm build, they’re not exactly rocket science and the phantasms can hit hard, and such a build will own noobs who probably waste time attacking the phantasms.

Still good players, particularly thieves can counter phantasm mesmers quite easily, blind prevents the phantasm from being cast and players with good reaction times should be able to interrupt the summons which can be kind of slow with fairly obvious animations (e.g. Phantasmal Duelist has 1s cast time). Also phantasm memsers trade off a lot of personal survivability (i.e. 0 points in Chaos) in order to boost their phantasms.

Honestly I would like to see less passive builds in this game, but Anet apparently disagree, as evidenced by the traits the game has.

nemka.1803:

no i found that the best way is just to stand near the other teams respwan (team arena) with a bunker and an engi and just burn anyone who jumps out in a few seconds.
but then i realized that i wouldn’t like the same being done to me so its time to try another build (the build is not presented for this reason, yet figuring it out shouldn’t be too hard with all the information i already gave).

This clause is the bit that makes me wonder if you’re purely trolling or if you were simply facing the absolute worst players in the game.

I don’t think the OP is trolling, he just telling us how easy it is to rely on AI instead of yourself.

a t s e.9614:

I don’t think the OP is trolling, he just telling us how easy it is to rely on AI instead of yourself.

Since the OP refuses to actually post a build, we can’t actually know. Additionally, if the OP is really using a valk amulet, they won’t be unloading any burst at all with a mesmer. On top of that, phantasm builds don’t burst. They’re inherently sustained damage.

well in tol most mesmer used shatter
the "king"class of one vs one tried to avoid most of these tho, cause they are not op at it

Any class is hard to master, mesmer is still forgiving and easy because you rely on AI while having a million easy ways to peel people off you.

Lifestealer.4910:

Any class is hard to master, mesmer is still forgiving and easy because you rely on AI while having a million easy ways to peel people off you.

The fact that Mesmer “relies” on AI makes shatter even harder to master, as all your AI-shatter ressources can easily be destroyed via AoEs and also make your bursts absolutly obvious, due to AI-characters running straigt to the enemy.

Please don’t base your view on Mesmers on troll specs like PU or Phantasm specs. Both of those are almost completly useless in any tournaments etc.

EverythingEnds.4261:

Lifestealer.4910:

Any class is hard to master, mesmer is still forgiving and easy because you rely on AI while having a million easy ways to peel people off you.

The fact that Mesmer “relies” on AI makes shatter even harder to master, as all your AI-shatter ressources can easily be destroyed via AoEs and also make your bursts absolutly obvious, due to AI-characters running straigt to the enemy.

Please don’t base your view on Mesmers on troll specs like PU or Phantasm specs. Both of those are almost completly useless in any tournaments etc.

Luckily pvp is more than just high level tournaments, so i can base my view on how most mesmer plays mesmer.

Did I say sth. about high level tournaments?
If I read my post, it only says “tournaments”.

Of course, you can base your view on that evil PU Mesmers that kill you in Hot Join.
Maybe you want add some complaints about how OP Moa is and how impossible it is to find the real Mesmer between his clones?
You could also base your view on the describtion of the Mesmer class on the GW2 homepage
But all of this will prevent your post of getting taken seriously.

The only thing thats OP about mesmer is their abundant amount of stealth. Then again thats really their only saving grace…

Lifestealer.4910:

Any class is hard to master, mesmer is still forgiving and easy because you rely on AI while having a million easy ways to peel people off you.

lol we are forced to rely on ai. believe me i used to avoid ai actually. i played glamour for 1 year and glamour is very non ai heavy. i played shatterer and sorry but in order to mater shatter builds u gotta be good. its not easy at all. phantasm builds are kinda meh…and actually not popular anymore. pu is only easy vs inexpirienced enemies. if someone knows how mes works pu is not strong at all.
i barely get killed by pu mes cause i main a mesmer so i know how they move, i know their cooldowns and their weakspots.
actually we dont have a million ways to peel people off us at all. the moment u pressure a mes with cc, condi or very high dmg, mes melts fast cause of verious cooldowns.
esy ways u say…lol ..go play mes and enjoy dying a million times cause those easy ways are either bugged or simply wont help u much.

Pyroathiest.4168:

a t s e.9614:

I don’t think the OP is trolling, he just telling us how easy it is to rely on AI instead of yourself.

Since the OP refuses to actually post a build, we can’t actually know. Additionally, if the OP is really using a valk amulet, they won’t be unloading any burst at all with a mesmer. On top of that, phantasm builds don’t burst. They’re inherently sustained damage.

yeah agree with u pyro…this thread seems like another one of those: i want mesmers to get nerfed, so i ll make a thread pretending i am a new mesmer and feel overpowered. fact is, mes has nowhere near as a high burst dmg as my ele for example or my thief.

vincecontix.1264:

An inaccurate, pointless post.