Guild Wars 2

I am curious to hear peoples’ opinions on how the mesmer/thief matchup will be affected by the upcoming balance changes. Does anyone think mesmers will be in a good place after the update? Please disregard the scepter buff in your response.

UPDATED: To appease the people who are touchy about the scepter change.

Way to troll mesmer scepter. You set out by closing down responses regarding it, but then slip in your 2c about how awful it is. You went off topic in your own thread. GG.

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You know the only thing keep mesmers in check is a thief. If we are talking about current meta builds thief sd beats shatter mesmer but mesmer beats everything else. Considering the buff memser is getting and the nerfs thief is getting mesmer is going to be good.

Power Ranger will be able to keep Mesmer in check post patch.

Zerker thief will STILL be the king of roaming burst as long as it has as many shadowsteps, stealth, and instant-casts.

A good zerker thief will still nullify mesmers unless they are properly protected by another burst class.

I don’t think power rangers will own mesmers in dedicated 1v1’s (mesmers can do more damage while kiting better and keeping LOS), but rangers will be able to pretty much 1-shot mesmers (and other squishies) from 1200-1500 range if they enter into a teamfight at the right time.

condition PU memser always was able to win vs thief. Now he is buffed.
power mesmer still suck

A 9 second cooldown insta cast 2 second immob is gonna suck – depending on how it’s going to work.

BlackBeard.2873:

Zerker thief will STILL be the king of roaming burst

This argument is so tiring. They serve different purposes. Thief doesn’t get 1.2k range to work with – which does a lot of work for both classes. Mesmer, and soon-to-be Ranger, are better at support burst than anything else. Both classes have such a ridiculously easy time building up vulnerability. Conceptually, both classes would work well when comping them with a thief. Maybe the mesmer could be considered more offensive (because of portal and boon shatter) and the ranger could be considered more defensive (because of the ability to provide sustain via 10 sec water field and mass condi removal). If we want to look at a competition, power ranger and mesmer would be contending with each other the most as they play more similarly than comparing them to a thief. Either way, portal would be REALLY hard to give up. Also mesmer has more cleave damage than ranger, but ranger has an aoe fear/immob.

Thieves will have to react better to Illusionary Leap and Mind Stab will now cover the whole of Shadow Refuge, but apart from that I don’t think Thieves have much to worry about.

Condition Mesmer builds could be problematic but a S/D Thief with SE won’t have to worry too much about that. However, a staff Mesmer that has IE will be a riskier CnD target, so do watch out for that one.

Shockwave.1230:

Power Ranger will be able to keep Mesmer in check post patch.

Barely more than they can already to be honest.

The only way Rangers might be able to keep mesmers in check is if they popped QZ + signet of the wild with rapid fire, which will be a heck of a burst over 1.56 seconds (assuming read the wind trait is being used). Then again, it will be one dead Ranger if the mesmer is running projectile reflect at that time, so even that is very situational and dependent on multiple factors within the fight – what if the mesmer dodges? No damage spike taken. We’ll see how it pans out with mesmers vs rangers particularly in WvW. If mesmers are having a hard time following the patch, then they will all start running with reflect skills and will quickly learn how to counter-play the ranger buffs. It’s going to come down to who has the better reactions and who is the better player.