So there is only one Build (except the interrupt build maybe) viable for a mesmer in pvp and thats shatter with the traits 4 4 0 0 6 and thats because there are three important traits u have to use:
VII in Domination
Shattered Concentration: Shatter Skills also remove a boon on hit
X in Dueling
Deceptive Evasion: Create a Clone on your current position when you dodge
XI in Illusions
Illusionary Persona: Shattering Illusions creates the Shatter effect on you as well
the only way right now is to use some traitpoints from the Illusion traitline which makes the mesmer even more squishy.
So it would be nice if at least one of those traits would be moved to the adept tier, so mesmers could play more builds.
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erm… do you wanna say I use at least 3 different non viable builds in sPvP atm? Because non of them are a shatter build, but all of them are effective in my naive nothing knowing little mind… did my mesmer successfully fool me? Am I actually losing all the time, while believing I wreck my opponents?
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Op are trying to tell me that 4/4/0/0/6 is the only build top mesmers are using? Tbh you sound pretty narrow minded.
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well there arent many effective pvp builds 44600 with interrupt is used by some or a mantra build but only a few peeps running that
You wont see any of those in top teams.
When you arent using a shatter build ur using a phantasm or condi build.
Phantasm builds are fortunately very bad in tpvp cause ur phantasms die in aoe.
condition builds are annoying for the enemy ok but there are better classes for that at the moment.
There are thousands of lame mesmer 1on1 builds but that does not mean they are viable in tpvp
Mimsy – On a crusade against PU and Phantasm builds!
Granted I do not play at the top levels of tPvP. But if you wanna talk about this kind of level, you have just a few kind of builds in all professions.
But talking about sPvP over all I myself have a few different builds that aren’t shatter and they are very effective against most players I have the pleasure to fight against in solo Arena and hotjoin alike. I am satisfied with those builds and I am winning most of my fights, while being very mobile and survivable.
You also altered your statement already from PvP to tPvP. So what are we now talking about? And where is the build diversity in the other professions on the top tPvP level?
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im sorry that you understood me wrong i was talking about tpvp. Where you have to be useful in teamfights and still perform ur other duties (Boon Remove, Portal). Thats in my opinion unfortunately the only reason to use a mesmer right now in tpvp. You can build the strongest 1on1 builds with mesmer but in the moment more enemies(and teammates) join the fight ur getting more and more useless cause your damage drops rapidly. If ur happy with your build and think its useful then keep on using it but in my opinion the only viable option is shatter and therefore id love to have some more diversity in the builds, cause 99% of the mesmers are running the same.
Mimsy – On a crusade against PU and Phantasm builds!
How much build diversity to you see in other classes?
Most eles are D/D triple cantrip with 0/2/0/6/6 or 0/0/2/6/6 with celestial/strength runes.
Most thieves are either S/D evade spam 2/0/0/6/6 or or some D/P build.
Most warriors are hambow or eviscerate/100blades burst.. actually warriors seem to have the most diversity
Most guardians are balls to walls bunker or meditation.
Most necromancer are condi nuker terror bombers or Minion Masters
Most rangers are celestial spirits or traps with a shawtbow.
And then most mesmers that are “good” are staff/GS shatter with the trait spread you provide. So I’d say in pvp theres not a whole amount of build diversity, but engineers and warriors seem to have far more viable options and thus appear to be more diverse.
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its true that there isnt that much build diversity for all classes, we should work on all
the fact I name mesmer in particular is that other classes could use other traits and still be viable. Ofcourse the meta is always played most but there is a reason why there was never another build for mesmer since beta^^
Mimsy – On a crusade against PU and Phantasm builds!
How much build diversity to you see in other classes?
Most eles are D/D triple cantrip with 0/2/0/6/6 or 0/0/2/6/6 with celestial/strength runes.
Most thieves are either S/D evade spam 2/0/0/6/6 or or some D/P build.
Most warriors are hambow or eviscerate/100blades burst.. actually warriors seem to have the most diversity
Most guardians are balls to walls bunker or meditation.
Most necromancer are condi nuker terror bombers or Minion Masters
Most rangers are celestial spirits or traps with a shawtbow.
And then most mesmers that are “good” are staff/GS shatter with the trait spread you provide. So I’d say in pvp theres not a whole amount of build diversity, but engineers and warriors seem to have far more viable options and thus appear to be more diverse.
NO. bad info!
Care to explain? I don’t really know all that much about the medium and heavy classes builds especially trait wise, so thats just how the warrior/guardian/engi/thief builds that roflstomp me on necro or ele seem to be, but if you have better info, I will not be embarrassed if I’m proven wrong
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So it comes down to fact checking again.
Weez.6315 talks especially about tPvP in the top levels (I can’t speak from experience at all in this area). So I’d like to know if there is much build diversity at all for the other professions, or if they all run the same builds too.
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like i said above the meta is always played most but other classes still got some more viable builds than the meta.
Mimsy – On a crusade against PU and Phantasm builds!
fresh air/staff/powerranger/power necros etc.
i dont play guardian so someone else can comment on thier specs.. but just knowing the classes i play compared to the list you gave.
but if you are that far off on just the classes i know then im sure the rest of the list isnt 100% either..
We simply have different definitions of build diversity. The builds you mentioned are niche specs, most of which require significant team support to be effective in pvp. And of those, glass staff ele is the only one of those that is truly viable. I main necro, and I know that if I go up against a hambow warrior with a dagger and a berserker amulet, I’m going to get murdered before I can get any damage off.
Like it or not, with the exception of the brief interlude of fresh air, pvp eles have been running very similar builds since the game launched, glass staff is probably the only other one that stuck.
Power Ranger, I’m not going to even comment on that.
In addition I suppose you could say that condition/PU mesmers make mesmers have as much diversity as the other professions when you consider them in addition to shatter. But the truth is that in a truly competitve environment, PU mesmers, as well as glass necro and glass ranger and whatnot aren’t commonly used in that setting. My friend has a spectral tanky power necro build that got to the top of solo queue. Its great for him, but his playstyle hasn’t caught on to make that build contribute significantly to build diversity. Oh and he says that basically all he sees at that level of solo queue is engineers :o
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oh.. you are saying that there is only 1 spec that is top tier when you min max your team comp.. that is called min maxing and not really build diversity.. what you are talking about would requier 2 differnt specs to have the exact same usefullness. what you are refering to isnt even top tier tpvp it is tournys. because in top tier solo/team pvp there are people playing these specs(but i can agree that when you wattch the 5v5 tournys you may not).
I’m just going to let you win this argument now because I honestly don’t care anymore and our differing beliefs and perceptions are meaningless in the end, and honestly I don’t care that tourney and tpvp cannot be used interchangeably, but I guess you learn something new everyday.
I’ll leave you all with one final, parting idea.
Imagine, just for a moment, how much more build diversity would exist if most or all of a class’s bad traits were somehow made to be objectively good traits. We run most ele builds with evasive arcana because we all believe it to be such a useful trait. But what if the grandmaster traits in other traitlines were altered to match the overall usefulness of EA, while providing a different type of important advantage. Just think about how diverse the viable metagame actually could be.
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