My opinion about warriors in duels!
Well mesmer is the complete opposite, they are gods of duels and terribad at everything else.
Well mesmer is the complete opposite, they are gods of duels and terribad at everything else.
not terribad at all, but def nowhere near as good as they are in duels
are you high?
warriors have such an incredibly low risk/high reward ratio that if you can’t win duels with one you should probably stick to pve XD
when i play my obscenely OP warrior i like to stand there and dance while other classes attempt to break through the insane passive health regen.
are you high?
warriors have such an incredibly low risk/high reward ratio that if you can’t win duels with one you should probably stick to pve XDwhen i play my obscenely OP warrior i like to stand there and dance while other classes attempt to break through the insane passive health regen.
Are you dueling underleveled quaggan calfs with puuuuu atacks that apply cute stacks?
(*at 25 stacks they attempt to kiss you)
the only thing thats keeping war alive right now in a dual is healing signet imo.
there atse said it good, war has really limited option, and anet going to take away even more option by nerfing one of the most active, no op trait war has…
Warrior, similar to Ranger is just too simple. Mechanic is trivial, it’s only one burst option so we don’t see any Adrenaline management. To compensate the lack of active mechanics it has to be better in passive, same like Ranger (although the Ranger is by far more complicated mix of issues).
If ANet decides to change, expand Warrior’s mechanic a bit, by let’s say, giving two burst options – one offensive, one defensive – we’ll see more options for active Warrior play, new possibilities.
It’s obvious that classes with more advanced mechanics are just better, have more possible variety and more active gameplay, rewarding at higher levels of play : Engineer (although spammy, still the most keys to press), Mesmer, Elementalist.
Classes which are not listed here are in the middle and should be brought to tier 1 level.
If ANet wants to make casual game, it doesn’t mean it has to be trivial.
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Not sure if OP is serious
Not sure if OP is serious
He can’t be, that or he is the WORST warrior in the history of GW2. I have seen one that has been able to keep insane numbers of immobilize, fear and insane damage meanwhile having blocks and immunities….
Warrior are FAR from terrible in Duels. They will win more than they lose. Unless the Warrior is awful.
Not sure if OP is serious
I am!
they suck in duels!
go ahead and pick any build besides condi and fight any good thief/Mesmer/dps guards (they are insane compared to warrior)/necro.. engi/ and even ele.
ow yeah ranger is not that hard.. besides that warrior does suck in real duels vs GOOD players, not average or newbies. go and look on the 1vs1 servers and see they suck. some warriors can go good with ofc hambow or condi builds, but any other build just sucks..
look at GS:
rooted kitten burst.. clunky rush. terrible F1
Axe:
nice damage, what does it more? nothing .. axe off hand is terrible
sword:
hybrid but its lacking some real damage if you play zerker. only final thrust hits hard but good luck trying to hit that in duel. lol
rifle:
nice damage but terrible in duel..
mace:
slow.. so terrible slow, offhand is terrible
and we have ofc hammer and longbow.
both are good weapon but gets soooo much nerfs after nerfs after nerfs and anet doesn’t give anything back on other weapons or anything.
Fix Gs so it issnt a rooted 100b.. like guardian, and do something about F1 and rush
Fix Axe > give evi more range > move damage more at the beginning of the chain, axe off hand… just remove it from the game. look at skill 4… really!??!? 3sec fury and low damage.. ?!? that’s it!?!
Fix mace > give it some form of cripple or anything.. way to hard to land a single skill with that weapon, off hand is terrible.. 4 stacks of vuln!?! that’s a skill?? really? maby give tremor a cripple.
Fix sword > give it more raw damage on the last hit of the chain, its just does way to low damage. make final thrust less clunky
Fix rifle > no idea.. its just a terrible weapon in duels. does nothing more than damage..
look at the weapon skills from thief or mesmers or guardian etc.. shadowsteb > blind > teleport > pull > etc etc.. so much more to bring into a duel compared to warrior doing 1 thing damage.. landing your damage? haha that’s your problem
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There are skills to the right of your healing signet.
There are skills to the right of your healing signet.
That we need for atleast 1 stunbreaker/stability and berserker stance.. So you can have 1 skill to work with your weapon like bulls or immob… Where every class gets them IN there weapon skills
Warrior suck? I knew it all along. Now tell that to the game, so it knows that too.
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To level things, I think warriors need reliable stealth and more passive healing when they are stealthed.
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besides condi warrior they are just BAD!
yes they are! they may be good in teamed play, but in duels they are just bad.
go ahead and say warrior have OP healing and OP skills like endure pain etc etc bla bla bla.. but there weapon skills are just so kitten easy to read and there damage is lame compared to dps guards or any thief.. other classes have so much ways to get out for free and instant or easy to land burst skills/rotations, where are left with nerfs and nerfs and nerfs just because they are GOD vs ALL noobs/newbies but sadly terrible agains ANY good player in duels.
honestly i dont know what you’re talking about if anything i aint lost a single duel ever since i went from engi to warrior
honestly i dont know what you’re talking about if anything i aint lost a single duel ever since i went from engi to warrior
That would be because Warrior are VERY strong. The ONLY time it is weak is when its in the hands of a terrible player. This is nothing but player issue here.
Not sure if OP is serious
I am!
they suck in duels!
go ahead and pick any build besides condi and fight any good thief/Mesmer/dps guards (they are insane compared to warrior)/necro.. engi/ and even ele.
ow yeah ranger is not that hard.. besides that warrior does suck in real duels vs GOOD players, not average or newbies. go and look on the 1vs1 servers and see they suck. some warriors can go good with ofc hambow or condi builds, but any other build just sucks..
look at GS:
rooted kitten burst.. clunky rush. terrible F1Axe:
nice damage, what does it more? nothing .. axe off hand is terriblesword:
hybrid but its lacking some real damage if you play zerker. only final thrust hits hard but good luck trying to hit that in duel. lolrifle:
nice damage but terrible in duel..mace:
slow.. so terrible slow, offhand is terribleand we have ofc hammer and longbow.
both are good weapon but gets soooo much nerfs after nerfs after nerfs and anet doesn’t give anything back on other weapons or anything.Fix Gs so it issnt a rooted 100b.. like guardian, and do something about F1 and rush
Fix Axe > give evi more range > move damage more at the beginning of the chain, axe off hand… just remove it from the game. look at skill 4… really!??!? 3sec fury and low damage.. ?!? that’s it!?!
Fix mace > give it some form of cripple or anything.. way to hard to land a single skill with that weapon, off hand is terrible.. 4 stacks of vuln!?! that’s a skill?? really? maby give tremor a cripple.
Fix sword > give it more raw damage on the last hit of the chain, its just does way to low damage. make final thrust less clunky
Fix rifle > no idea.. its just a terrible weapon in duels. does nothing more than damage..
look at the weapon skills from thief or mesmers or guardian etc.. shadowsteb > blind > teleport > pull > etc etc.. so much more to bring into a duel compared to warrior doing 1 thing damage.. landing your damage? haha that’s your problem
Axe builds fury the fastest and has the mother of burst damage and auto attack damage
rifle has a knockback a masive vuln shot and maive burst as well as the multi shot wich hits almost as hard
sword has ridiculou bleed and torment stacking as well as decent damage maive damage is you pull the blade before it poofs after stacking torment and hit #3 when target is low on hp in other words a great weapon for dueling as it brings all the control you need thanks to cripple and torment as well as the burst immob
use greatsword with the immob on cripple trait and bam land them 100bs like its nothing
learn your class before accusing its mechanics at being broken
dont go full glass either Cleansing Ire easily makes warroir one of if not the best class against conditions
I wouldn’t say Warriors suck at duels, but there are plenty of builds out there where a Warrior, let’s just say, don’t have a very good chance at beating, unless the person using that said build is bad.
Somebody said it as well, we are limited in terms of our use of mechanics to outplay people.
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Axe builds fury the fastest and has the mother of burst damage and auto attack damage
rifle has a knockback a masive vuln shot and maive burst as well as the multi shot wich hits almost as hard
sword has ridiculou bleed and torment stacking as well as decent damage maive damage is you pull the blade before it poofs after stacking torment and hit #3 when target is low on hp in other words a great weapon for dueling as it brings all the control you need thanks to cripple and torment as well as the burst immob
use greatsword with the immob on cripple trait and bam land them 100bs like its nothing
learn your class before accusing its mechanics at being broken
dont go full glass either Cleansing Ire easily makes warroir one of if not the best class against conditions
Axe depends on what your fighting great against thieves who are glass decent pressure against anyone else it’s a ok weapon.
Rifle? In a duel? Nah
Anyone with decent sustain can out heal warriors auto attacks. As long as you know that final thrust hits like a truck at 50% and are aware that is the warriors goal when you get low I find Sword to be nothing more then a troll weapon. There isn’t anything scary about sword main hand in a power build except final thrust.
Leg specialist might give you half? a 100 blades off top of my head 3 1/4 channel time I think so no way you land 100bs like its nothing.
Cleansing ire makes warrior a bow warrior really good against conditions everyone else not so much.
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OK, simply from looking at the title of this thread, you somehow believe that warriors are not viable in duels. This is completely untrue; there are plenty of viable build options for warriors to take on others. I have faced many warriors in my time of playing this game, some good, some bad, and others so-so. But no matter what your skill level, some builds will always be better than others for facing particular builds.
For example, a warrior who runs signet of fury/cleansing ire/signet of stamina already gets plenty of benefits in the realm of condition removal and boon support. When I try and take on this type of warrior (specifically, GS, #5 rush) with my necro, I have a hard time taking them over, even with boon strip and condition spamming. However, if I were to use an MM, I might have had a better chance of quickly overtaking them, instead of trying to catch up with my few movement skills.
So to recap: warriors don’t suck in duels, you just have to have a good amount of skill and the correct build to take others on. Remember that one build type doesn’t necessarily “own all”, though some are better than others; some builds simply beat out others, and that is important to remember when fighting a particularly difficult opponent.
Really depends on what profession they are against. Personally I have no trouble at all dualing warriors on my ranger, and even on my mesmer who I am very inexperienced with I can usually win, but generally beating warriors revolves around avoiding their big hits which rangers and mesmers are extremely good at. I imagine guardians and necromancers have a harder time of it.
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Try Axe/warhorn. Axe autoattack should give you all the damage you need plus a cripple and vuln stacking. Warhorn can remove condis, and grant swiftness for kiter chasing. Healing signet, or I’ve been using Defiant Stance in wvw and having good results.
Balanced stance or Dolyak signet for stun break and stability. Signet of Rage for Elite (obvious). Mix and match with the rest. I have For Great Justice autoenabled on my toolbar at all times. This leaves me with one slot for banners or another shout or another stance like Endure Pain.
So axe/warhorn, healing sig or Defiant Stance, FGJ, Endure Pain., Balanced Stance, and Sig of Rage. I toss in a longbow on swap for WvW (I usually start a fight with that) because of Pin Down.
Hope this helps and good luck. Get some more practice in PvP. You will improve over time.
I like how the OP admitted that a Warrior could just play Hambow or Condi War and they’d do well, but any other spec sucks. Warrior has (at least) already two viable specs in dueling and the OP’s complaint is that they need more. Great stuff.
Not sure if OP is serious
He can’t be, that or he is the WORST warrior in the history of GW2. I have seen one that has been able to keep insane numbers of immobilize, fear and insane damage meanwhile having blocks and immunities….
Warrior are FAR from terrible in Duels. They will win more than they lose. Unless the Warrior is awful.
umm.. a warrior is not going to trounce a mesmer in a duel, and a warrior is going to have a wonderfully fun time fighting the theif that spam’s invis and backstab.
Some classes the warrior does super well against, like an ele ( but who doesnt do well against an ele) some classes can outplay or outmanuever a warrior, like an engi, but the warrior is far from the god of dueling that you think.
That role is for the mesmer, and will stay that way until they nerf us to oblivion thanks to the new trait’s
Not sure if OP is serious
He can’t be, that or he is the WORST warrior in the history of GW2. I have seen one that has been able to keep insane numbers of immobilize, fear and insane damage meanwhile having blocks and immunities….
Warrior are FAR from terrible in Duels. They will win more than they lose. Unless the Warrior is awful.
Unless you face good players on thiefs/mesmers/dps guards/necro. And if you aint running condi (we all know this spec is OP) or hambow (that is good but not the best duel build compared to those classes) you have a terrible low win rate.
Yeah go ahead and play some hotjoin etc and your like a god. Now bring that into 1vs1 servers and you have zero chance. Go ahead and deny it, but its the true and because hambow did its job we see more nerfs that not only affect that build but also others builds.
Not sure if OP is serious
He can’t be, that or he is the WORST warrior in the history of GW2. I have seen one that has been able to keep insane numbers of immobilize, fear and insane damage meanwhile having blocks and immunities….
Warrior are FAR from terrible in Duels. They will win more than they lose. Unless the Warrior is awful.
Unless you face good players on thiefs/mesmers/dps guards/necro. And if you aint running condi (we all know this spec is OP) or hambow (that is good but not the best duel build compared to those classes) you have a terrible low win rate.
Yeah go ahead and play some hotjoin etc and your like a god. Now bring that into 1vs1 servers and you have zero chance. Go ahead and deny it, but its the true and because hambow did its job we see more nerfs that not only affect that build but also others builds.
Maybe you should stick to PvE.
I like how the OP admitted that a Warrior could just play Hambow or Condi War and they’d do well, but any other spec sucks. Warrior has (at least) already two viable specs in dueling and the OP’s complaint is that they need more. Great stuff.
That’s the really funny part of the thread.
Nothing but condition, and hambow to a minor a extent, works for dueling … I guess I should complain too because nothing but a power DPS spec, probably using berserker amulet and built around meditations, works for dueling on a Guardian.
simple play memser in spvp and warrior in the rest of the game best of both worlds
Not sure if OP is serious
He can’t be, that or he is the WORST warrior in the history of GW2. I have seen one that has been able to keep insane numbers of immobilize, fear and insane damage meanwhile having blocks and immunities....
Warrior are FAR from terrible in Duels. They will win more than they lose. Unless the Warrior is awful.
Unless you face good players on thiefs/mesmers/dps guards/necro. And if you aint running condi (we all know this spec is OP) or hambow (that is good but not the best duel build compared to those classes) you have a terrible low win rate.
Yeah go ahead and play some hotjoin etc and your like a god. Now bring that into 1vs1 servers and you have zero chance. Go ahead and deny it, but its the true and because hambow did its job we see more nerfs that not only affect that build but also others builds.
Maybe you should stick to PvE.
Maybe you should check 1vs1 servers and see the problem for yourself.
anet is forcing us to go condi.
Anet nerfs the best weaponset from warrior but its forcing us to use them (longbow) if you run anything else you will be outplayed.
And even if you play hambow you will never win from those classes because the rotation is just way to easy to avoid. In group it will be good because you cant focus them good but in duel it issnt that hard to avoid there cc chain and soon pin down. problem is Anet doesnt care about duels and the nerfs for warr is understanding from a teamed view. But atleast give them some options to be more skilled in duels. Because most warr weapons just do 1 thing: damage, landing it? Thats still a big problem.
look at the builds we had in the past.. Almost all where build to setup 1 burst and nothing more like old frenzy 100b or stun to 100b. Or evi after shield bash etc etc. All simple rotations that works but not against good players. And between your burst rotation there is just nothing to do for warr besides getting damaged. Where other classes can have sooo much more in the mean time.. Teleport away.. Spamming your blinds.. Go stealth etc etc... All to create time for next burst rotation. What does a warrior do? Blow his stances. Blow your shield stance maby.. So after 2 or 3 rotations your doomed because there is just nothing left to avoid getting hit. This is the problem is see for warriors
You know duels don’t just happen in S/TPvP right…
They are insane in 1 Vs 1 in WvW so they get buffed for S/TPvP then they would become even more broken in WvW.
go ahead and pick any build besides condi and fight any good thief/Mesmer/dps guards (they are insane compared to warrior)/necro.. engi/ and even ele.
Why “besides condi”?
You know duels don’t just happen in S/TPvP right…
They are insane in 1 Vs 1 in WvW so they get buffed for S/TPvP then they would become even more broken in WvW.
Warriors are better in wvw yes, same for the other classes. No difference.
go ahead and pick any build besides condi and fight any good thief/Mesmer/dps guards (they are insane compared to warrior)/necro.. engi/ and even ele.
Why “besides condi”?
First because warrior shouldnt be a condi spec (my opinion)
Second: conditions is a problem in general (bunker and damage etc etc) not going to tell more about condi. You will figure it out yourself how broken (OP) it can be
Warriors are better in wvw yes, same for the other classes. No difference.
The problem being they are insanely broken in WvW. You buff them in S/TPvP and more than likely they would end up being buffed in WvW making them even strong in WvW. What does S/TPvP matter anyway? The mode isn’t exactly that great anyway.
So you want the warrior to be the best class in zerg play and also 1vs1/ small skirmishes ?
What else, best class in sPvP ?
Just erase every other class then… or L2P.
So you want the warrior to be the best class in zerg play and also 1vs1/ small skirmishes ?
What else, best class in sPvP ?Just erase every other class then… or L2P.
I already told here i understand the nerfs on hammer/longbow because of group play. But i am talking about duels here. So yes i admit they are to strong in that aspect (zerging/tpvp). So fine with the nerfs. What i dont get is why anet issnt doing anything about other weapons so with diff weapons you can be good in duels but not that great in zerg.. And the way around ofc.
Trying to bring some seriousness to this post (talking from a tpvp standpoint). Warrior is far, FAR from terrible in duels.
Especially considering the fact that he locks down any access to the point to his opponent. Now, most people are dumb enough to actually run around the node when duelling a warrior. Thing is, against a good player, warrior (talking hambow specifically) won’t win most of the time but won’t lose either (while keeping the node his), as he can just los as long as his oppnent doesn’t commit and actually contests the node, while having access to great range pressure himself if needed. But he won’t be at an advantage and might lose quickly if he gets +1ed. Against condi classes that keep their distance, he might lose at some point, los not rly helping once condis are applied, but altogether, it’s generally not worth to invest such time into it coz it’ll take like 2 minutes to bring him down, so you might as well be doing something else. So ye, vs good players that can afford to kite without caring about the node, warrior isn’t the best (while being far from bad as you can punish mistakes so incredibly hard) and will lose in the long run vs less tanky, mobile classes/specs.
condition warriors suck in duels?! /covers ears
I refuse to accept that.
So your only argument to say that warriors are good in duels is Hambow. Sadly hambow is not balanced and will get nerfed what is left is terrible specs. The only way to win is pop all stances and hopefully your burst will land without getting blinded or without your enemy porting away. Not to mention that poison literaly makes Healing sig useless.
A warrior is like a PvE mob, hits slowly, hits hard,Has alot of HP, thats about it
or maybe you use hammer and no offhand apparently
i havent had issues using rifle axe/shield sword/sword sword/shield GS Hammer
im starting to think the complainers on this thread are those guys who dive into zergs and then lie saying they die dueling
I like how the OP admitted that a Warrior could just play Hambow or Condi War and they’d do well, but any other spec sucks. Warrior has (at least) already two viable specs in dueling and the OP’s complaint is that they need more. Great stuff.
Ahahah! No kidding. Mind set of a Warrior for sure. Dont worry OP. Majority of players play Warriors including Devs, chances are youll be viable in every build. Whether condi or zerk builds, ANet loves to spoil their best child. Just wait a few more months.
Except for the OP builds war is not OP enough.
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Warrior has 0 viability in high level dueling.
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Those poor, poor warriors.
I must be so painful to have high stats on everything even when you’re rolling a damage build, like there’s no choice you know. You’re always good at everything. And things like passive healing that require you to stun and use shield to allow regen… so hard to pull off.
I can’t even imagine what it must be like having to waste adrenaline that you need for even more passive healing to actually crit for 6K with eviscerate. Can you imagine?
Just the other day, I saw a warrior go down… yep, he went down. I was so sad. Not even his HS could prevent it. And even though he used his hammer to stun his opponent and nearly crit him to death with auto-attacks it still wasn’t enough.
And then there’s the longbow. What useless weapon, the fire field only covers a giant area and people can actually still run out of it. Same with hammer stuns, yea sure, it’s a good stun but I see people dodging it all the time. Dodge… you shouldn’t be able to dodge an AoE skill like that.
I suggest we give warriors Hardened Endurance which gives them +1 armour for every hit point they lose. As the first minor trait in Discipline. Maybe then they’ll actually have a change against other classes.
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Those poor, poor warriors.
I must be so painful to have high stats on everything even when you’re rolling a damage build, like there’s no choice you know. You’re always good at everything. And things like passive healing that require you to stun and use shield to allow regen… so hard to pull off.
I can’t even imagine what it must be like having to waste adrenaline that you need for even more passive healing to actually crit for 6K with eviscerate. Can you imagine?Just the other day, I saw a warrior go down… yep, he went down. I was so sad. Not even his HS could prevent it. And even though he used his hammer to stun his opponent and nearly crit him to death with auto-attacks it still wasn’t enough.
And then there’s the longbow. What useless weapon, the fire field only covers a giant area and people can actually still run out of it. Same with hammer stuns, yea sure, it’s a good stun but I see people dodging it all the time. Dodge… you shouldn’t be able to dodge an AoE skill like that.
I suggest we give warriors Hardened Endurance which gives them +1 armour for every hit point they lose. As the first minor trait in Discipline. Maybe then they’ll actually have a change against other classes.
are you high?
warriors have such an incredibly low risk/high reward ratio that if you can’t win duels with one you should probably stick to pve XDwhen i play my obscenely OP warrior i like to stand there and dance while other classes attempt to break through the insane passive health regen.
Warrior is incredibly easy to play but has limited options. Not much you can do besides from facetanking all the damage. Other classes ( if they are good) can take no damage at all in a duel.
Basically, a baddie warrior wins against any other bad player from other classes but similar skill level, warrior will lack options to outplay his oppenent.
I agree with this assessment.
It’s easy to be a decent Warrior and not hold back your group/guild/team. But excelling is difficult because the class is so straight-forward.
Thankfully though only a few environments really ask you to excel at something Warriors aren’t naturally good at.
Personally I don’t think warrior is naturally bad at duels. It is conditional damage, the way it works is over powered. It is not hard to see this when you have 18 out of top 20 dueling spec are condition based.
Warrior is simplistic in terms of special effects (boon, condition, and control). A good warrior learn to be good with positioning, movement and timing. After all if the enemy’s attack doesn’t land, there is no need for any other effects to stay alive.
However a conditional attacks are often auto target, hard to avoid, with subtle animations. It also applies fast, and hits hard. This nullify much of the advantage in positioning, movement, or timing. And we see that this is not an issue if warrior is also condition based.
So yeah, as oppose to say power based warrior is bad a duels, we should say most of power based builds are bad in duels. Compare to power based builds warrior is not bad at all.
Gs/bow full zerker warrior with Hs/bolas/bulls and balanced stance is working good to me against average players but i get totaly destroyed against good players. We have too many slow and obvious attacks. After the patch it will be even harder to be efective with warrior. But dont worry, we will still kill noobs and they will complain in the forums As usual.
So your only argument to say that warriors are good in duels is Hambow. Sadly hambow is not balanced and will get nerfed what is left is terrible specs. The only way to win is pop all stances and hopefully your burst will land without getting blinded or without your enemy porting away. Not to mention that poison literaly makes Healing sig useless.
A warrior is like a PvE mob, hits slowly, hits hard,Has alot of HP, thats about it
“The only way to win”….wait what? I thought we’re talking about warriors? So you think it’ll help to blind or poison a warrior who pops all of his stances…..aright, i don’t know if you’ve ever heard of berzerkers stance. Maybe you just don’t know the fact that blindness and poison are actually “conditions”?
Even without berzerker stance a warrior can use Lyssa and/or remove up to 3 conditions every 7 seconds!
Warriors are bad in duels….
Are you kidding me?