Guild Wars 2

Ranger pets are once again seeing right through illusions. The Hambow got nerfed and was apparently replaced by ranger longbow.. It’s back to choosing wether to be killed by the bow or the pet. The longbow is too strong and too fast and needs to be dialed way back. The pets need to be fooled by illusions or I have no effective defense at all.

Rangers were seriously underpowered before. And in all honesty, no build should be foolproof.

I know it sucks OP, but as someone with a ranger main, I get a real thrill every time I see a post about how OP I am now. You do have to admit, we’ve waited a while. lol

In truth, I agree with you… I don’t think it should be dialed “way” back but some adjustment is probably needed.

I haven’t played too much sPvP now but I have done last PvP monthly and some more of Hot Join sPvP and there is a massive increase of rangers and they are all going longbow and pewpews from a distance XD It is realy silly. I don’t mind though since it is as easy as ever to whin maches (as long as I don’t join a team with alot of rangers) in HJ now since rangers don’t cap :P

For PvE I just love how good my ranger is now, I personally didn’t have any problems with my ranger before and now I can do everything I did before but twice as fast

Protip:

instead of complaining, get better in pvp with mesmer.

As a mesmer, I have no problems with longbow ranger in pvp. They aren’t too hard to kill if you initiate with stealth (Torch 4) and use GS 2> F1> GS3 at close range. My issue with rangers are the wvw roaming condition rangers. The healing is insane! Also, if they are using a sword, most of them are, then they can escape and reset without any issues. I can’t even dent their health in the slightest with neither my condition or shatter build and some of them kill me in under 20 secs. It is incredibly frustrating and is deterring me from playing wvw because I encounter them everywhere.

I remember in GW1 players complained about how OP Rangers where so Anet step in and nerf them to the point they destroyed the profession as a whole and just threw their hands up and said “fixed, DONE” walk away and left them destroyed. Lets not have them do that to Rangers in GW2.

honestly…all I can say is..just uninstall the game. Anyone who thinks that rangers are “op”..is just bad…bad at the game and doesn’t understand it.. I main a ranger and I still count them as relatively free kills in pvp…Seriously, if u die to an LB ranger in pvp…just quit.

They ABSOLUTELY do not need nerfing..if anything they are STILL a bit behind warriors, guards and eles….

I despair the amount of carebears this game attracts… I really, really hope for the games sake, anet doesn’t listen to the scrubs.

Typical. The same people who where talking the ranger down for two years as a underpowered class are know complaining that they get their kitten kicked. The ranger needed the buffs it got to balance it with other classes.

Mitch.4781:

honestly…all I can say is..just uninstall the game. Anyone who thinks that rangers are “op”..is just bad…bad at the game and doesn’t understand it.. I main a ranger and I still count them as relatively free kills in pvp…Seriously, if u die to an LB ranger in pvp…just quit.

They ABSOLUTELY do not need nerfing..if anything they are STILL a bit behind warriors, guards and eles….

I despair the amount of carebears this game attracts… I really, really hope for the games sake, anet doesn’t listen to the scrubs.

I agree Rangers needed the buff but players have a right to voice their concerns about what they see is “bad” in the game. That doesn’t mean they need to stop playing because you don’t agree with them.

As a Thief, let rangers keep their power. They’re still omnomnomable with gap closers and reflects. LB/GS is not foolproof so I have no issues with it.

IIRC, pets seeing through illusions is nothing new. If the ranger targets you before you make any illusions and uses the F1 skill to make it target you, the pet will forever target you, even if you go in and out of stealth or if someone else hits you. Yes it really annoying because it means the ranger will pretty much never waste a skill on a clone(some still do though sadly). Funnily enough, mesmers, who are supposed to be kings of reflect, are beaten by warriors when it comes to reflecting RF. With the reflect on block trait, warriors can reflect every other RF with a weapon skill, whereas mesmers need to devote a shatter skill+trait, a heal, or a utility slot to effectively negate maybe 1 or 2 RFs.

power rangers are squishy, use terrain in your favour.

Oh look! Another one. Mesmer tears this time.

Keep ’em coming

power ranger is good only vs noobs op class in game is elementalist with celestial gear (burst/condition/cc/condi clean/healing/might stacking they have all)

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Oh look! Another one. Mesmer tears this time.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Keep ’em coming

Just gonna say this, posts like this only make people want rangers to get nerfed even more, and if there’s enough whining about it, it will eventually happen. Antagonizing people isn’t gonna help your cause. That being said, whining in general will solve nothing. If you genuinely think something is OP and needs to be changed, explain why and do your research. This constant whiner v. troll thing really doesn’t accomplish anything and usually ends in the class in question getting nerfed anyway.

Ithilwen.1529:

Ranger pets are once again seeing right through illusions. The Hambow got nerfed and was apparently replaced by ranger longbow.. It’s back to choosing wether to be killed by the bow or the pet. The longbow is too strong and too fast and needs to be dialed way back. The pets need to be fooled by illusions or I have no effective defense at all.

This has been the case for close to 8 or so months.

You need to get better.

Dealing with the ranger and pet is pretty much the same as it has been.
Only now you need to dodge rapid fire.

Enemy Mesmer phantasms also see right through my clones. Nerf Mesmer as well please.

Oh wait…..

If Anet nerfs Rangers because someone or several other players thinks they are to powerful because they got upset they lost to one in PvP or WvW what’s next?

Those same people will be here again posting topics about another profession being to OP and demanding they also get nerf for probably the same reason(s). They lost to one in PvP or WvW.

If Anet nerfs classes because players get upset when they lost to one it will end up in PvP and WvW players do 0 damage to each other so no one ends about losing and getting upset. Seriously Anet reducing the damage to 0 so no one loses seems to be the only solution to keep people from complaining about classes being OP without any proof to back it up instead of “I can’t beat someone in PvP or WvW that uses this class”.

Every balance patch the game has become more imbalanced.
They broke ele survivability for a year before realizing they had to buff it. Then the “buff” they did nerfed our 2 most essential traits.

Solori.6025:

Ithilwen.1529:

Ranger pets are once again seeing right through illusions. The Hambow got nerfed and was apparently replaced by ranger longbow.. It’s back to choosing wether to be killed by the bow or the pet. The longbow is too strong and too fast and needs to be dialed way back. The pets need to be fooled by illusions or I have no effective defense at all.

This has been the case for close to 8 or so months.

You need to get better.

Dealing with the ranger and pet is pretty much the same as it has been.
Only now you need to dodge rapid fire.

Only 8 months? I’m pretty sure it has been this way since launch. It’s also likely something they can’t fix as it’s tied to their AI and all minions (including the mesmers which is ironic given this thread) follow it.

i want rapid fire to be faster it is to slow lol

it takes 2 dodges just to dodge some of it

As a longbow Ranger I have no problems facing a longbow Ranger. In fact, Ranger is still my favorite target by far. So to me, Ranger is still the weakest class to face.

I’m surprised Ranger isn’t everyone’s favorite target. They’re a bit more deadly now, with more sustained damage, but the initial burst damage isn’t even new. Rangers have always had access to quickness. In fact, Rapid Fire burst damage is less than Rapid Fire + quickness before the update.

Using Rapid Fire + quickness after the update is just silly. Yes, it’s even more burst than before the update, but it’s entirely negated by a 1s evade/invulnerable/block or obstructed. It also costs you a utility slot or a grandmaster trait (in beastmastery) or a sigil with luck. And for what? to reduce casttime by 1 second?

I’m not going to help you figure out what counters a longbow Ranger.

lol y would u use rapid fire + quickness even before the patch
i all ways felt like it was a waste of a utility

caveman.5840:

lol y would u use rapid fire + quickness even before the patch
i all ways felt like it was a waste of a utility

Because RF + Quickness is exactly the same as RF without quickness today?

still seems like a waist of a utility. just put a utility on a 60 sec cool down for one fast shot ?

but any way all i am trying to say is .rapid fire every 8 seconds when traited !

endurance cant keep up with that . it takes 2 dodges just to avoid one rapid fire and still get hit by it

most reflect skills cant keep up with it .

cool downs might be a lil out of proportion . for various classes and skills

Necrotize.2974:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Oh look! Another one. Mesmer tears this time.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Keep ’em coming

Just gonna say this, posts like this only make people want rangers to get nerfed even more, and if there’s enough whining about it, it will eventually happen. Antagonizing people isn’t gonna help your cause. That being said, whining in general will solve nothing. If you genuinely think something is OP and needs to be changed, explain why and do your research. This constant whiner v. troll thing really doesn’t accomplish anything and usually ends in the class in question getting nerfed anyway.

If the devs actually changed content, based on argument-less QQ on the forums, we wouldn’t play a game now.

People were used to be able to completelly ignore rangers for 2 years now, and saw them only as a lootbag. Now people started taking them serious, but some do not wanna accept that.

If you afraid to speak your mind in fear of a nerf, I got bad news for you…

I havn’t seen 1 real argument to why rangers are “overpowered” (because they are obviously not). On the other hand, more than 80% from those 500 posts about rangers after the update, are from people who created a QQ thead the minute they lost a 1v1 to a ranger.

So you want to make sure a beastmaster ranger will never be able to beat you? How will nerfing BM rangers make you more capable against a longbow ranger who does NOT rely on their pet for damage?

All this would do is make your profession a hard counter to an already struggling build.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Necrotize.2974:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Oh look! Another one. Mesmer tears this time.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Keep ’em coming

Just gonna say this, posts like this only make people want rangers to get nerfed even more, and if there’s enough whining about it, it will eventually happen. Antagonizing people isn’t gonna help your cause. That being said, whining in general will solve nothing. If you genuinely think something is OP and needs to be changed, explain why and do your research. This constant whiner v. troll thing really doesn’t accomplish anything and usually ends in the class in question getting nerfed anyway.

If the devs actually changed content, based on argument-less QQ on the forums, we wouldn’t play a game now.

People were used to be able to completelly ignore rangers for 2 years now, and saw them only as a lootbag. Now people started taking them serious, but some do not wanna accept that.

If you afraid to speak your mind in fear of a nerf, I got bad news for you…

I havn’t seen 1 real argument to why rangers are “overpowered” (because they are obviously not). On the other hand, more than 80% from those 500 posts about rangers after the update, are from people who created a QQ thead the minute they lost a 1v1 to a ranger.

I’m just saying that’s how things tend to go down. The class in question undoubtedly gets nerfed. Be it in a month, or a year, it will happen, and the the FotM will change, because if it never got nerfed, we would never get all these new FotM things. Just my personal opinion that people on both sides of the issue acting like kittens to each other won’t solve anything.

Dear Mesmer,

Wait untill you face Axe mightstacking BM Ranger with at least 3 in Nature Magic and dps pet.
You will stop noticing all longbows, because permanently 25 mightstacked jaguar with fury and high uptime will be haunting you in nightmares.

Sincerely,
Rym

:)

Having a ranger main myself, I can’t really complain. I wouldn’t say that all rangers are OP though. It’s true pets can see right through illusions, but not all rangers can use the profession correctly in a way that all of them can be OP.

Atherakhia.4086:

Solori.6025:

Ithilwen.1529:

Ranger pets are once again seeing right through illusions. The Hambow got nerfed and was apparently replaced by ranger longbow.. It’s back to choosing wether to be killed by the bow or the pet. The longbow is too strong and too fast and needs to be dialed way back. The pets need to be fooled by illusions or I have no effective defense at all.

This has been the case for close to 8 or so months.

You need to get better.

Dealing with the ranger and pet is pretty much the same as it has been.
Only now you need to dodge rapid fire.

Only 8 months? I’m pretty sure it has been this way since launch. It’s also likely something they can’t fix as it’s tied to their AI and all minions (including the mesmers which is ironic given this thread) follow it.

I believe that someone specifically said that it could break millions of lines of code if they tried.

Its THEIR code, and its so complex, they don’t even want to try….wonder why?

Necrotize.2974:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Necrotize.2974:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Oh look! Another one. Mesmer tears this time.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Keep ’em coming

Just gonna say this, posts like this only make people want rangers to get nerfed even more, and if there’s enough whining about it, it will eventually happen. Antagonizing people isn’t gonna help your cause. That being said, whining in general will solve nothing. If you genuinely think something is OP and needs to be changed, explain why and do your research. This constant whiner v. troll thing really doesn’t accomplish anything and usually ends in the class in question getting nerfed anyway.

If the devs actually changed content, based on argument-less QQ on the forums, we wouldn’t play a game now.

People were used to be able to completelly ignore rangers for 2 years now, and saw them only as a lootbag. Now people started taking them serious, but some do not wanna accept that.

If you afraid to speak your mind in fear of a nerf, I got bad news for you…

I havn’t seen 1 real argument to why rangers are “overpowered” (because they are obviously not). On the other hand, more than 80% from those 500 posts about rangers after the update, are from people who created a QQ thead the minute they lost a 1v1 to a ranger.

I’m just saying that’s how things tend to go down. The class in question undoubtedly gets nerfed. Be it in a month, or a year, it will happen, and the the FotM will change, because if it never got nerfed, we would never get all these new FotM things. Just my personal opinion that people on both sides of the issue acting like kittens to each other won’t solve anything.

Thing is the current LB ranger is not fotm. It was, the first 2 weeks after the update. The numbers have returned to almost what it was before. Most people roll classes that can be built for zergs. Ranger is not one of them.

Also about the incoming nerf, the devs might actually listen to player QQ, when it has a point, and real arguments. The current ranger QQ has none. It’s just people that can’t accept that they got killed by a ranger.

Chrispy.5641:

Atherakhia.4086:

Solori.6025:

Ithilwen.1529:

Ranger pets are once again seeing right through illusions. The Hambow got nerfed and was apparently replaced by ranger longbow.. It’s back to choosing wether to be killed by the bow or the pet. The longbow is too strong and too fast and needs to be dialed way back. The pets need to be fooled by illusions or I have no effective defense at all.

This has been the case for close to 8 or so months.

You need to get better.

Dealing with the ranger and pet is pretty much the same as it has been.
Only now you need to dodge rapid fire.

Only 8 months? I’m pretty sure it has been this way since launch. It’s also likely something they can’t fix as it’s tied to their AI and all minions (including the mesmers which is ironic given this thread) follow it.

I believe that someone specifically said that it could break millions of lines of code if they tried.

Its THEIR code, and its so complex, they don’t even want to try….wonder why?

I’d claim it a conspiracy because all the devs play Rangers. But we all know that’s not true

Necrotize.2974:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Oh look! Another one. Mesmer tears this time.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Keep ’em coming

Just gonna say this, posts like this only make people want rangers to get nerfed even more, and if there’s enough whining about it, it will eventually happen. Antagonizing people isn’t gonna help your cause. That being said, whining in general will solve nothing. If you genuinely think something is OP and needs to be changed, explain why and do your research. This constant whiner v. troll thing really doesn’t accomplish anything and usually ends in the class in question getting nerfed anyway.

D/D Ele got nerfed because of constant whining.
Condi Necros got nerfed because of constant whining.
Spirit Rangers got nerfed because of constant whining.
BM rangers got nerfed because of constant whining.
Thieves gets nerfed because of constant whining.
Warriors got their adrenaline nerfed because of constant whining.

Constant whining actually works.

runeblade.7514:

Necrotize.2974:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Oh look! Another one. Mesmer tears this time.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Keep ’em coming

Just gonna say this, posts like this only make people want rangers to get nerfed even more, and if there’s enough whining about it, it will eventually happen. Antagonizing people isn’t gonna help your cause. That being said, whining in general will solve nothing. If you genuinely think something is OP and needs to be changed, explain why and do your research. This constant whiner v. troll thing really doesn’t accomplish anything and usually ends in the class in question getting nerfed anyway.

D/D Ele got nerfed because of constant whining.
Condi Necros got nerfed because of constant whining.
Spirit Rangers got nerfed because of constant whining.
BM rangers got nerfed because of constant whining.
Thieves gets nerfed because of constant whining.
Warriors got their adrenaline nerfed because of constant whining.

Constant whining actually works.

You should add in there all the builds that got buffed because of the constant whining…er, I mean feedback. Crying is feedback, right?

and the next day ranger will discover running 2h sword with a longbow is an unstoppable beast able to mapwide escape and block attacks. Ive ran it and i never felt more alive playing my ranger main then now. Note that i wish they also increased axe in some way because splitblade is still horrible.

Sword + warhorn/dagger > Greatsword

Atherakhia.4086:

Solori.6025:

Ithilwen.1529:

Ranger pets are once again seeing right through illusions. The Hambow got nerfed and was apparently replaced by ranger longbow.. It’s back to choosing wether to be killed by the bow or the pet. The longbow is too strong and too fast and needs to be dialed way back. The pets need to be fooled by illusions or I have no effective defense at all.

This has been the case for close to 8 or so months.

You need to get better.

Dealing with the ranger and pet is pretty much the same as it has been.
Only now you need to dodge rapid fire.

Only 8 months? I’m pretty sure it has been this way since launch. It’s also likely something they can’t fix as it’s tied to their AI and all minions (including the mesmers which is ironic given this thread) follow it.

This wasn’t the case on release. Anyway, it’s a much needed mechanic for pets to have. Before, especially vs stealth abusing thieves, your pet would be next to useless, since they are so slow to react, that before they understood to attack the thief when (s)he came out of stealth, the thief would stealth again.

With aprox 30% of a rangers dps tied to the pet, not to mention utilities tied to the pet, I guess anyone can understand the disadvantage the class had in those scenarios.

Same thing applied vs mesmers as well but due to other reasons, as you can understand.

Atherakhia.4086:

Solori.6025:

Ithilwen.1529:

Ranger pets are once again seeing right through illusions. The Hambow got nerfed and was apparently replaced by ranger longbow.. It’s back to choosing wether to be killed by the bow or the pet. The longbow is too strong and too fast and needs to be dialed way back. The pets need to be fooled by illusions or I have no effective defense at all.

This has been the case for close to 8 or so months.

You need to get better.

Dealing with the ranger and pet is pretty much the same as it has been.
Only now you need to dodge rapid fire.

Only 8 months? I’m pretty sure it has been this way since launch. It’s also likely something they can’t fix as it’s tied to their AI and all minions (including the mesmers which is ironic given this thread) follow it.

It hasn’t been that way since launch.
I remember ranger pets used to do nothing when a target stealthed and you had to actively retarget the mesmer and command them to attack that one before it stealthed again.

The AI back in launch was dumb.

You are right though it has been longer than 8months.
I think it was with the major pet AI pass..
maybe a year and a couple?

Perhaps it changed back when they changed stealth to no longer drop target? I remember that happening shortly after launch.

Let’s play a game, who can fill in the missing letters?

F _ E _ B A C _

Gold star to first correct answer!

Ranger buff is fine only problem is that bugged range of bow attacks

Solori.6025:

Atherakhia.4086:

Solori.6025:

Ithilwen.1529:

Ranger pets are once again seeing right through illusions. The Hambow got nerfed and was apparently replaced by ranger longbow.. It’s back to choosing wether to be killed by the bow or the pet. The longbow is too strong and too fast and needs to be dialed way back. The pets need to be fooled by illusions or I have no effective defense at all.

This has been the case for close to 8 or so months.

You need to get better.

Dealing with the ranger and pet is pretty much the same as it has been.
Only now you need to dodge rapid fire.

Only 8 months? I’m pretty sure it has been this way since launch. It’s also likely something they can’t fix as it’s tied to their AI and all minions (including the mesmers which is ironic given this thread) follow it.

It hasn’t been that way since launch.
I remember ranger pets used to do nothing when a target stealthed and you had to actively retarget the mesmer and command them to attack that one before it stealthed again.

The AI back in launch was dumb.

You are right though it has been longer than 8months.
I think it was with the major pet AI pass..
maybe a year and a couple?

I think it was a fix for all mob… including pets. Any AI was standing still waiting to be dps to death after you stealthed haha…

Rozbuska.5263:

Ranger buff is fine only problem is that bugged range of bow attacks

Every ranged projectile (beams too, like mesmer GS) attack in the game has a longer “actual” range than what is listed on the tooptip.

There is a red post from forever ago saying this functionality is working as intended, and outside of that point, asking for a fix to this “issue” is a universal nerf to every ranged weapon in the game.

Now, I’m not going to be the one that argues for or against that, or start that particular debate here since there is already a thread for that. I just wanted to highlight that it isn’t singular to a particular instance, and that it is a universal issue, and would be universally addressed if changed.

I think the players make a good point (either the tooltips should match the functionality or the ranges should match the intended tooltip values), but that from a developmental side, they are probably just using a trajectory algorithm and applying it and that it isn’t a very simple (or time efficient compared to other issues) thing to change.

But either way, yeah. It isn’t just rangers, this issue is universal.

LB Ranger still ain’t the way to go. Won every fight against LB Rangers with my Ranger SB/Sword & Dagger in the last 3 days. Good thing was that I couldn’t roflstomp them anymore.
I also played LB/GS Ranger and won less than I lost. If I get a decent opponent I lose almost every fight. I really wonder where you find those super LB Rangers.
I will try to improve my LB game play cause I like going full offense no defense (gank builds) but I don’t believe it will ever be as good like the other Ranger builds.

jcbroe.4329:

There is a red post from forever ago saying this functionality is working as intended, and outside of that point, asking for a fix to this “issue” is a universal nerf to every ranged weapon in the game

Wut? How it can be universal nerf when it affect almost exclusivly only bows. If its intended I want that same for my rifle and pistol

Rozbuska.5263:

jcbroe.4329:

There is a red post from forever ago saying this functionality is working as intended, and outside of that point, asking for a fix to this “issue” is a universal nerf to every ranged weapon in the game

Wut? How it can be universal nerf when it affect almost exclusivly only bows. If its intended I want that same for my rifle and pistol

Its any and all projectiles that are parabolic in nature. Be it warrior axe throw, ranger axe, ele staff etc. Especially if the caster has higher ground.

Ranger lb damage is not op but its to much reward for very little effort. It the same with turret engi in competitive play they are not op but it can carry a bad player hard. Good players should aviod these specs because the skill ceiling is low. Though bads main them coz it allow them to not be useless.