Guild Wars 2

I will only talk from pvp point of view. Iam top leaderboard EU engineer since beta and I have reach the top 2 position in teamq in the past with my previous well known team Onibawan so i can say i almost know everything about my class.

*After 2 years of balance, engineer has always missing few obvious things:*

1) There is only one build available in high pvp level which is condi rabid with bombs, elixir gun, elixir s. All engineer running different utilities are running no self sustain and disingaging skills which means be a free kill. ( So basically you cannot be competitive at high level, others builds for example power runs better on thiefs/warriors, why would you pick up an engineer for that)

2) Engineer has no condition removal, if you get immobilized you are instant death from the burst of for example pistol whip + arcing arrow.

3)Engineer loose against every other condition class because of no condition removal ( the utility heal is not enough)

*The right balance change is just one and is very easy:*

1) Add more condition removal, maybe add it on elixir s or on healing mist, but don’t force using different utilities of bombs,elixir s,elixir gun they are a must for disingage in high lvl pvp.

2)Would be enough just have one immediate immobilize removal from let’s say regenerating mist which helps survive at least to ONE burst from direct damage classes but it is still not enough to balance fights against all others condition classes.

Greetz Dsquared

lack of condi cleanse… yeah besides healing turret and elixier gun there is not much
but u simply dont play the engineer like a hambow
u stay outside the point and spam all your aoe condi soft cc and dmg into the point

like a mesmer necros or some squishy staff eles do

besides condi cleanse and stability i feel like the engineer is quite kitten strong
have u ever tried engi with celestial? works great

u dont really need that much stability because u can keep hambows off of your tail
(unless hes using two of his stances then u need to run away for a couple of seconds probably heal at the end of it using your gearshield in that time helps as well)
then knock him blind him slow him
s/d thieves with their possibility to always disengage and u never know where to put your aoes can be quite a pain to deal with but thats in every “nuker” the case
he needs to keep an eye for the thief
sure mesmers and necros have other ways to deal with the thief (mostly a thief in your team that keeps him busy)

so besides some more condicleanses
i think the engi is in a pretty good spot

1) There is only one build available in high pvp level which is condi rabid with bombs, elixir gun, elixir s. All engineer running different utilities are running no self sustain and disingaging skills which means be a free kill. Different point of view means you don’t understand 100% the class or you cannot be competitive at high level, others builds like power runs better on thiefs/warriors, why would you pick up an engineer for that.

cond rabid is not the only build that is currently played in “high lvl pvp”. there are many engis using celestial builds atm. just because something doesn’t work for you doesn’t mean it wont work for others.

while thieves are indeed the top roaming predators the burst of a static discharge engi is way better. thieves are not only prefered because of their damage but because they are able to engage/disengage at will and because of their speed. many other classes have better damage than a thief has.

there are worse classes than engi right now and some people even made those work, power ranger for example in TOL2 US quali.

2) Engineer has no condition removal, if you get immobilized you are instant death from the burst of for example pistol whip + arcing arrow.

while this is true it was stated that this was the intended weakness of engineers, lack of cond removal and mediocre access to stability. what helps against immobs + burst setups is the tool kit shield. wether you like it or not, tool kit has its place even in high level play.

3)Engineer loose against every other condition class because of no condition removal ( the utility heal is not enough)

class weakness as described above.

*The right balance change is just one and is very easy:*

1) Add more condition removal, maybe add it on elixir s or on healing mist, but don’t force using different utilities of bombs,elixir s,elixir gun they are a must for disingage in high lvl pvp.

no. if you want condi removal trait for it the same way that many other classes have to aswell.

2)Would be enough just have one immediate immobilize removal from let’s say regenerating mist which helps survive at least to ONE burst from direct damage classes but it is still not enough to balance fights against all others condition classes.

with the next patch med kit 4 will remove immob.

i might sound a bit harsh but what you request is removing the natural class weakness of engineers.

I’m ALWAYS in favor of build diversity and support you guys (engi) on getting buffs in needed areas but the condi engi needs to be tuned down a bit or made skillful to play.
Dropping torrents, spam 1 and win a 2v1 it´s just not good for the game.

I never enter a 1v1 vs a Engi these days, if they are already fighting a team mate I go in, otherwise I ignore that node and go for another…

Well due to devs absence of condi cleaning is part of engi weaknesess. Devs clearly dont understand how its actualy work in game.

Soinetwa.5193:

besides condi cleanse and stability i feel like the engineer is quite kitten strong
have u ever tried engi with celestial? works great

I have tried everything you cannot even imagine. You cannot play celestial there are other classe that can play celestial builds better then engineer you guys just want make engi works with jobs where other classes can do better.
High lvl pvp means fit classes togheter playing the best jobrole as they can.
I would never see top teams for example playing a power ranger, that role is for thieves, same thing is with the various builds you guys runs with engineer you want stole the job of the other classes and nochanche you gonna do it badly.

Ah want to say that none of you said ONE right thing, like Jekkt Saying

Jekkt : with the next patch med kit 4 will remove immob.

This guy talking med kit hahaha man this is the worst healing skill ever!
And this Volrath

Volrath : Dropping torrents, spam 1 and win a 2v1 it´s just not good for the game

dude stop eating drugs!!

I think the problem lies in part with how the meta is an established thing and pretty much every teams runs very similar roles within their team. And for each role there is a best profession/build, that is known.
Note how pretty much every team has a Guardian, and likely also a hambow warrior. Its like watching clone wars.

What the meta needs is to get pushed off its comfortable chair, and to be whipped around the room a little.
And that means constant tweaks and update to profession balance, not just to attain “perfect balance”. Consider it more like maintenance..

Dsquaredcri.9421:

I will only talk from pvp point of view. Iam top leaderboard EU engineer since beta and I have reach the top 2 position in teamq in the past with my previous well known team Onibawan so i can say i almost know everything about my class.

Greetz Dsquared

Hey now, don’t question this guy. He’s the king of engies.

I just hope that devs didn’t see this balance overview, this is lol. Let’s just hope it’s a troll post…

Napzor.8275:

I just hope that devs didn’t see this balance overview, this is lol. Let’s just hope it’s a troll post…

Comment what i said wrong and argue it

Dsquaredcri.9421:

Different point of view means you don’t understand 100% the class or you cannot be competitive at high level,

hi

you said this wrong

insanemaniac.2456:

Dsquaredcri.9421:

Different point of view means you don’t understand 100% the class or you cannot be competitive at high level,

hi

you said this wrong

You’re right i were too arrogant.. edited

Dsquaredcri.9421:

I will only talk from pvp point of view. Iam top leaderboard EU engineer since beta and I have reach the top 2 position in teamq in the past with my previous well known team Onibawan so i can say i almost know everything about my class.

*After 2 years of balance, engineer has always missing few obvious things:*

1) There is only one build available in high pvp level which is condi rabid with bombs, elixir gun, elixir s. All engineer running different utilities are running no self sustain and disingaging skills which means be a free kill. ( So basically you cannot be competitive at high level, others builds for example power runs better on thiefs/warriors, why would you pick up an engineer for that)

This is not true at all. look at the recent ToL’s for example. I do not think there was a single rabid engie in the entire thing. The problem here is you assuming you personal experiences represent the entirety of high end PvP and that is not the case. You can see this by looking at the builds the top engies on the top teams use.

As well, how do you justify running any skills other then the 3 you listed leave a player with no disengage skills or self sustainability? That seems like a very arrogant and presumptuous statement in my opinion.

Dsquaredcri.9421:

2) Engineer has no condition removal, if you get immobilized you are instant death from the burst of for example pistol whip + arcing arrow.

I agree that th engineer is certainly limited in condition removal. To call any DoT “insta-death” seems a bit of an illogical over exaggeration considering the nature of DoT’s in general. But yes, they can be a weakness to the professions for certain.

Dsquaredcri.9421:

3)Engineer loose against every other condition class because of no condition removal ( the utility heal is not enough)

Yes, they are weak to condition builds. Again your over exaggerating again in my opinion. Professions do not hard counter an engineer, builds do.

Dsquaredcri.9421:

*The right balance change is just one and is very easy:*

1) Add more condition removal, maybe add it on elixir s or on healing mist, but don’t force using different utilities of bombs,elixir s,elixir gun they are a must for disingage in high lvl pvp.

Bombs are a must for disengaging? Doubtful. You are making vary many definitive statements about subjective topics.

I do thing it would be too much to put both a stun breaker and a solid condition cleanse on one kit. In my personal opinion, the E gun seems more thematically aligned with a condi removal then a stun break. Personally i would love to see healing mist remive 3 conditions and perhaps something like smoke vent changes to some type of stun breaker and put on the tool belt while moving incendiary ammo to the 5 slot on the FT. Just a general thought on the matter anyway.

Dsquaredcri.9421:

2)Would be enough just have one immediate immobilize removal from let’s say regenerating mist which helps survive at least to ONE burst from direct damage classes but it is still not enough to balance fights against all others condition classes.

Greetz Dsquared

No, stun breaking skills do not need to be removing conditions as well.

Isnt their a two engi meta in china?