Guild Wars 2

On the most part it is balanced – several classes though need to be adjusted, either up or down.

Ele while they used to be insane have been nerfed so much and what have they gotten for that? They should have had there health and toughness increased a tad.

Warrior needs to be reduced in my opinion – they can have SO much. Mobility, Regen, Damage, Immunity…

Mesmer could be reduced a tad as well with all the stealth, illusions, clones and everything they have.

The rest i think are decently balanced for what they offer. Thief, Ranger, Necromancer, Guardian, Engineer are all balanced considering what else they offer.

Ranger should switch with warrior. That would be a good start.

Increase the lowest 3 by 2k, decrease the highest 2 by 2k and it would be fine.

style.6173:

Increase the lowest 3 by 2k, decrease the highest 2 by 2k and it would be fine.

The problem with that is – Thief have low damage but insane burst potential as well as stealth. Now the way Ele were they deserved the low health but after having so many nerfs i feel they are the only “low” health class that needs it to be buffed to counter all the nerfs they have received

Bombsaway.7198:

Ranger should switch with warrior. That would be a good start.

I actually wouldn’t have any problem with this tbh.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

On the most part it is balanced – several classes though need to be adjusted, either up or down.

speaking more from a pvp view, but pve has some issues as well…

hp to damage output by certain burst attacks is not balanced at all. 1-2-3 shot mechanics (on top of condition wars and a bunch of other junk) done by a single profession is a sign of extremely poor development, care, and financial investment. experience and game design 101 has taught us that it should not exist, but for some reason, anet has ignored many things for over a year and gotten a free pass for certain game decisions and designs like these. i suspect, come april, a huge chunk of pvpers will jump ship if anet doesn’t drastically improve professions and combat.

I would also propose a reduction to Necromancer with its gradual buffs and streamlining of the mechanics over the last year a heavily “zerked” Necro still has over 21k hp on top of death shroud and high cc.

no. i strongly disagree.
the different health values are good, and working as intended.
if anything, they serve as a difficulty check for the professions.

easy mode – High (Warrior, Necromancer) – 18.372 HP
normal mode – Medium (Ranger, Engineer, Mesmer) – 15.082 HP
hard mode – Low (Thief, Guardian, Elementalist) – 10.805 HP

i firmly believe that the base health values are a core game play mechanic and should not be tampered with, ever.

Huh, and all this time I thought it had to do with armor type and built in defense mechanics/traits… Weird…

I completely agree. 10.5k is way too low and it makes balancing hard in PvE.

I suggest the gaps be: 14k, 16k, 18k.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

no. i strongly disagree.
the different health values are good, and working as intended.
if anything, they serve as a difficulty check for the professions.

easy mode – High (Warrior, Necromancer) – 18.372 HP
normal mode – Medium (Ranger, Engineer, Mesmer) – 15.082 HP
hard mode – Low (Thief, Guardian, Elementalist) – 10.805 HP

i firmly believe that the base health values are a core game play mechanic and should not be tampered with, ever.

Guardian is hard mode? lol that’s a good one.

Substance E.4852:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

no. i strongly disagree.
the different health values are good, and working as intended.
if anything, they serve as a difficulty check for the professions.

easy mode – High (Warrior, Necromancer) – 18.372 HP
normal mode – Medium (Ranger, Engineer, Mesmer) – 15.082 HP
hard mode – Low (Thief, Guardian, Elementalist) – 10.805 HP

i firmly believe that the base health values are a core game play mechanic and should not be tampered with, ever.

Guardian is hard mode? lol that’s a good one.

at least it is hard mode for me. i can play my guardian okay-ishly in open world PvE, but for sPvP it is a big no no for me.

please try to understand that not everyone has the same skill level when playing online games.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Substance E.4852:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

no. i strongly disagree.
the different health values are good, and working as intended.
if anything, they serve as a difficulty check for the professions.

easy mode – High (Warrior, Necromancer) – 18.372 HP
normal mode – Medium (Ranger, Engineer, Mesmer) – 15.082 HP
hard mode – Low (Thief, Guardian, Elementalist) – 10.805 HP

i firmly believe that the base health values are a core game play mechanic and should not be tampered with, ever.

Guardian is hard mode? lol that’s a good one.

at least it is hard mode for me. i can play my guardian okay-ishly in open world PvE, but for sPvP it is a big no no for me.

please try to understand that not everyone has the same skill level when playing online games.

Then feel free to not troll the forums presenting opinions on class difficulty as fact that should be balanced around.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Substance E.4852:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

no. i strongly disagree.
the different health values are good, and working as intended.
if anything, they serve as a difficulty check for the professions.

easy mode – High (Warrior, Necromancer) – 18.372 HP
normal mode – Medium (Ranger, Engineer, Mesmer) – 15.082 HP
hard mode – Low (Thief, Guardian, Elementalist) – 10.805 HP

i firmly believe that the base health values are a core game play mechanic and should not be tampered with, ever.

Guardian is hard mode? lol that’s a good one.

at least it is hard mode for me. i can play my guardian okay-ishly in open world PvE, but for sPvP it is a big no no for me.

please try to understand that not everyone has the same skill level when playing online games.

and why is playing your guardian in spvp a no no?

Substance E.4852:

Then feel free to not troll the forums presenting opinions on class difficulty as fact that should be balanced around.

would you kindly please not accuse me of trolling the forums? i have every right to express my opinion in these forums. accusing me of trolling the forums is totally uncalled for.

the fact is, not everyone can play guardian properly. at least this is the case for me. therefore, guardian can be classified as one of the professions not so easy to play.

but a lot of people can play warrior easily. hence, warrior is one of the easier professions to play.

Swagger.1459:

and why is playing your guardian in spvp a no no

for starters, i do not know when to use the f1 f2 f3 skills, normally i just spam them together with the 90 seconds recharge time invulnerability skill when i feel like my guardian is going to die. the low base health does not allow many rooms for error. my latency is around 200ms – 300ms so playing warrior or other easier professions is much preferred for myself.

i heard people say, for guardians, you need to time your aegis or something, for those big attacks etc. i can never get that right in sPvP.

also, the concept of lowest health pool is not very appealing for me. same reason why i do not play an elementalist.

Yeah, I’ve long felt the gaps were too large, particularly when you consider that all professions are designed to have roughly equivalent damage output. The only balancer for low Health/attrition, then, is having really good utility, and well….

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

no. i strongly disagree.
the different health values are good, and working as intended.
if anything, they serve as a difficulty check for the professions.

easy mode – High (Warrior, Necromancer) – 18.372 HP
normal mode – Medium (Ranger, Engineer, Mesmer) – 15.082 HP
hard mode – Low (Thief, Guardian, Elementalist) – 10.805 HP

i firmly believe that the base health values are a core game play mechanic and should not be tampered with, ever.

Wrong gaurds are easy engis are hard.
Making a gaurd with shty. Gear you can easly out live… well everyone.

The idea is thematically important ofc. Necromancers having very high health fits well, especially compared to the pure powerhouses fantasy lore displays for elementalism-wielding mages, who in turn are rather frail.

i wouldnt mind seeing some nerf on guardian for base HP tradeoff for start,
there HP difference with warrior is a mockery, guardian is a “soldier” class like warrior its unacceptable to have almost the half HP, i dont want to comment on class power comparsion people have said it a million times on the forums and its pretty obvious by now.
also elementalist/necro seems strange aswell you see necros fighting 2-3 people on the capture points while elementalists gets trained to death and everybody chases them and eats them alive and they still have so much difference to HP.
and thiefs maybe should be able to be something different than trying to fish kills in wvw or troll “noobs” out of groups to chase them.

lets say warrior had the lowest HP in game and still had the most overpowered regeneration signet would you like it? i dont think so.

jihm.2315:

i wouldnt mind seeing some nerf on guardian for base HP tradeoff for start,
there HP difference with warrior is a mockery, guardian is a “soldier” class like warrior its unacceptable to have almost the half HP, i dont want to comment on class power comparsion people have said it a million times on the forums and its pretty obvious by now.

Guardian used to have the same hp as warrior but arenanet figured they was too strong and nerfed it. You can always just make a warrior or necromancer if you want high hp thats one of the pros of playing those. If all was the same and equally good at everything there would be no point of professions.

tom.7468:

jihm.2315:

i wouldnt mind seeing some nerf on guardian for base HP tradeoff for start,
there HP difference with warrior is a mockery, guardian is a “soldier” class like warrior its unacceptable to have almost the half HP, i dont want to comment on class power comparsion people have said it a million times on the forums and its pretty obvious by now.

Guardian used to have the same hp as warrior but arenanet figured they was too strong and nerfed it. You can always just make a warrior or necromancer if you want high hp thats one of the pros of playing those. If all was the same and equally good at everything there would be no point of professions.

then now that warriors are too strong they should drop there hp to the ground aswell

tom.7468:

If all was the same and equally good at everything there would be no point of professions.

That’s what all this whining is eventually going to do to the game if Anet listens to them (and they have a history of listening to the whiners).

And to be clear: whiners in this context is those complaining about a “problem” that isn’t a problem with the game as it is with their own abilities to overcome a preceived problem and want Anet to “fix” the “problem” so it is dumbed down to their abilities to overcome it.

jihm.2315:

tom.7468:

jihm.2315:

i wouldnt mind seeing some nerf on guardian for base HP tradeoff for start,
there HP difference with warrior is a mockery, guardian is a “soldier” class like warrior its unacceptable to have almost the half HP, i dont want to comment on class power comparsion people have said it a million times on the forums and its pretty obvious by now.

Guardian used to have the same hp as warrior but arenanet figured they was too strong and nerfed it. You can always just make a warrior or necromancer if you want high hp thats one of the pros of playing those. If all was the same and equally good at everything there would be no point of professions.

then now that warriors are too strong they should drop there hp to the ground aswell

For a year warriors was considered a free kill the only thing making them survive for more than 5 seconds against conditions is the regen.
Then guardian can hold a point against 3 players and survive way longer than warrior.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

the fact is, not everyone can play guardian properly. at least this is the case for me. therefore, guardian can be classified as one of the professions not so easy to play.

but a lot of people can play warrior easily. hence, warrior is one of the easier professions to play.

What?

Following that logic; if Warrior is a hard to play for me – then it is a hard profession?

Do you see how flawed this is?

…

Apologies for the small derailing.

high base health means nothing in this game. The important defensive things are toughness/armor, block, invulnarable,self healing, dodge and condition removel . You need only a little health to survive a burst that catches you in a bad situation.
The only profession that actually has use for an high health pool are necromencer and only because lf regeneration is % of your health.

Paulie.6215:

thefantasticg.3984:

tom.7468:

If all was the same and equally good at everything there would be no point of professions.

That’s what all this whining is eventually going to do to the game if Anet listens to them (and they have a history of listening to the whiners).

And to be clear: whiners in this context is those complaining about a “problem” that isn’t a problem with the game as it is with their own abilities to overcome a preceived problem and want Anet to “fix” the “problem” so it is dumbed down to their abilities to overcome it.

So you play a warrior or necro? Don’t lie.

Warrior and especially necro are easymode and extremely forgiving to play. Nerfs are needed to bring them in line with ALL other classes.

Just remove the Necromancer from the game already.

Muchacho.2390:

high base health means nothing in this game. The important defensive things are toughness/armor, block, invulnarable,self healing, dodge and condition removel . You need only a little health to survive a burst that catches you in a bad situation.
The only profession that actually has use for an high health pool are necromencer and only because lf regeneration is % of your health.

Must be a necro here. Only a necro would say a class with 10k base health is “ok” where a necro can hit 40k hp by hitting one key.

Loubbo.9852:

I would also propose a reduction to Necromancer with its gradual buffs and streamlining of the mechanics over the last year a heavily “zerked” Necro still has over 21k hp on top of death shroud and high cc.

No. Unlike other classes Necromancer has ONE thing for defense – Death Shroud, its skills are easily telegraphed and dodged. When the odds go against them 1 Vs X then it becomes even worse. Unlike classes that heave Stealth, insane burst, immunities, clones, and other things for defense. Necromancer get a crappy mechanic that gets worse the more they are focused and a 6second Protection on a 60second cool down…

Unless Necromancer are given PROPER defensive options the health they have is just fine. The lack movement, escape and are pretty much in a fight to the death, EVERY class can escape a Necromancer should things go south and thats how they were made to be. Even that isnt really the class when you consider Stealth classes and Hammer Warriors.

Muchacho.2390:

high base health means nothing in this game. The important defensive things are toughness/armor, block, invulnarable,self healing, dodge and condition removel . You need only a little health to survive a burst that catches you in a bad situation.
The only profession that actually has use for an high health pool are necromencer and only because lf regeneration is % of your health.

And the fact that they have no other defense. No blocks, Invuls, Stealth, Immunities, very low dodges due to no access to Vigor, decent Condition Removal but that should be the way seeing as they ARE meant to be the condition class – even if every other class can do conditions just as well or better in most cases.

The differences would not be so bad, if the game had working aggro management. Yes yes, no tanks. But that has just resulted in the only option being DPS or GTFO.

Supposedly toughness acts as a aggro magnet. But because of the difference in base numbers, it is natural for a elementalist player to pile on toughness for solo survival. But that then turns them into a aggro magnet in group scenarios, something that is kitten backwards to say the least and likely to catch them off guard.

I think all classes should have the same base health and armor choices. There is no logical reason that I can find that justifies the current base armor/health values. Melee clearly isn’t the reason for heavy armor as all classes have melee. Mobility isn’t the reason either as warrior is highly mobile. The only reason certain classes have certain armor is purely based on aesthetics, the health justification is just a big mystery. Once we get all classes on an even playing field we can actually start getting some balance in the game. At the very least there is ZERO reason that justifies having some classes start with 291(armor) stat points and essentially 757 more stat points(vitality).

If anyone wants to try and make a case for why the current base health/armor values are where they are then by all means. However, beware that I can almost guarantee there will be another class/spec that will call it into question.

Paulie.6215:

So you play a warrior or necro? Don’t lie.

Warrior and especially necro are easymode and extremely forgiving to play. Nerfs are needed to bring them in line with ALL other classes.

You clearly dont play Necromancer. It is FAR from easy mode. Saying the class needs to be nerfeed when in fact they are WEAKER than when people thought they were fine is just crazy. They have received plenty of nerfs already thanks they dont need any more.

They have NO access to – Blocks, invul, Immunities, Stealth, Vigor and are the EASIEST class to escape in a fight. They HAVE to have high health as they have NO defense outside a crappy 60second cool down Protection and DeathShroud the one Mechanic that gets WORSE the more it is focused. Lets not forget the insanely limited access to Stability that EVERYONE knows and uses to full affect.

Warriors. Yeah they need to be toned down, but to say Necromancer is to overpowered and “easy mode” that is just simply WRONG. Sure Conditionmancer is rather easy at times – just like ALL condition builds so why should one condition class be punished and the others ignored?

Distaste.4801:

I think all classes should have the same base health and armor choices. There is no logical reason that I can find that justifies the current base armor/health values. Melee clearly isn’t the reason for heavy armor as all classes have melee. Mobility isn’t the reason either as warrior is highly mobile. The only reason certain classes have certain armor is purely based on aesthetics, the health justification is just a big mystery. Once we get all classes on an even playing field we can actually start getting some balance in the game. At the very least there is ZERO reason that justifies having some classes start with 291(armor) stat points and essentially 757 more stat points(vitality).

If anyone wants to try and make a case for why the current base health/armor values are where they are then by all means. However, beware that I can almost guarantee there will be another class/spec that will call it into question.

Because it would break the game. I do think that some need to be adjusted but some classes have WAY more defense than others built into the classes – Warriors for example – Immunities, mobility, Passive Regen. Now if a Necromancer was brought down to say Thief level – with the fact they have NO defense, yeah they wouldn’t stand a chance in ANY fight….

Paulie.6215:

thefantasticg.3984:

tom.7468:

If all was the same and equally good at everything there would be no point of professions.

That’s what all this whining is eventually going to do to the game if Anet listens to them (and they have a history of listening to the whiners).

And to be clear: whiners in this context is those complaining about a “problem” that isn’t a problem with the game as it is with their own abilities to overcome a preceived problem and want Anet to “fix” the “problem” so it is dumbed down to their abilities to overcome it.

So you play a warrior or necro? Don’t lie.

Warrior and especially necro are easymode and extremely forgiving to play. Nerfs are needed to bring them in line with ALL other classes.

No need to lie in my life, yo. I’ll be honest here just as I am everywhere else in my life.

I play a Guardian (80), Mesmer (80), Thief (80), Ranger (80), Warrior (80), and currently leveling up my Engi and Ele and both are under lvl 50 atm. I have a 200-500 hours on each of my other four 80s so far. I mained a Ranger for the longest time as I have over 1100 hours on it. Then made a Warrior for dungeons/pve. Then Guard and Mes for dungeons/pve. Made a Thief for WvW… but I never WvW… lol… So yeah, my Thief I just use for tagging in PVE and Arah. Ele will be used for tagging and AC. Engi… well, just to say I have one I guess. Ranger made me hate pets and conditions suck in dungeons/pve so I’m not rolling a Necro. Funny though as I find out of all my glass cannons (and all my toons are DPS builds as there is no point to run anything else in PVE) the thief is hardest to keep alive.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

…so why should one condition class be punished and the others ignored?

Because the necro as a “condition class” can approach 40k ups with one key press.

Thief low hp but can heal in stealth and nearly perma blind, guardian has good healing good blinds and aegis, Ele could either use more hp or better mitigation skills but changing base health across the board is not a good idea.

Paulie.6215:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

…so why should one condition class be punished and the others ignored?

Because the necro as a “condition class” can approach 40k ups with one key press.

40k health and can be perma ccd to death.

Paulie.6215:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

…so why should one condition class be punished and the others ignored?

Because the necro as a “condition class” can approach 40k ups with one key press.

So you want depite the fact they have already had there conditions nerfed into the ground, you want the class to be nerfed even more for the sake of ONE skill. A skill you will KNOW they have a skill that they will likely try and burst from the start…

You thought about maybe trying to counter that rather than just trying to get the class nerfed so much that no one plays them anymore…

Samhayn.2385:

Paulie.6215:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

…so why should one condition class be punished and the others ignored?

Because the necro as a “condition class” can approach 40k ups with one key press.

40k health and can be perma ccd to death.

Spec better? Not sure what else to tell you.

All classes can be “perma ccd to death” necro isn’t special in this regard. 40k hp makes it way easier to survive.

Death shroud should get a 50% reduction in hp or have a 1 min cool down.

Samhayn.2385:

Thief low hp but can heal in stealth and nearly perma blind, guardian has good healing good blinds and aegis, Ele could either use more hp or better mitigation skills but changing base health across the board is not a good idea.

This. I would prefer they got a tad more health, this way Ele wouldn’t be forced into Vit stats on gear/accessories just to counter the huge difference in health considering they arent going to be easily able to kill someone with burst.

Thief makes mistake/countered = Stealth and recover
Ele makes mistake/countered = Dead.

Paulie.6215:

Spec better? Not sure what else to tell you.

All classes can be “perma ccd to death” necro isn’t special in this regard. 40k hp makes it way easier to survive.

Death shroud should get a 50% reduction in hp or have a 1 min cool down.

Play Necromancer before you try saying that it needs work.
“spec better” for what? 30point trait for THREE seconds of stability on a 10 second cool down. Amazing

Lets not forget the 50second cool down1 1/4second stability as well…

Sorry but you are totally clueless about the class. You have no idea about it, so rather than trying to make the class dead. Go play it and then THINK about the what nerfs you would want added to a class that relies on DeathShroud as pretty much its ONLY form of defense…

1minute cool down? Yeah i would take that – if we were given DEFENSIVE options to counter that such aas passive regen, stealth, Invuls and everyhting else every other class gets.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Substance E.4852:

Then feel free to not troll the forums presenting opinions on class difficulty as fact that should be balanced around.

would you kindly please not accuse me of trolling the forums? i have every right to express my opinion in these forums. accusing me of trolling the forums is totally uncalled for.

the fact is, not everyone can play guardian properly. at least this is the case for me. therefore, guardian can be classified as one of the professions not so easy to play.

but a lot of people can play warrior easily. hence, warrior is one of the easier professions to play.

Swagger.1459:

and why is playing your guardian in spvp a no no

for starters, i do not know when to use the f1 f2 f3 skills, normally i just spam them together with the 90 seconds recharge time invulnerability skill when i feel like my guardian is going to die. the low base health does not allow many rooms for error. my latency is around 200ms – 300ms so playing warrior or other easier professions is much preferred for myself.

i heard people say, for guardians, you need to time your aegis or something, for those big attacks etc. i can never get that right in sPvP.

also, the concept of lowest health pool is not very appealing for me. same reason why i do not play an elementalist.

a game like this should be all about accessibility not alienation, and you have just made a huge case for streamlining profession controls and normalizing hp.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Distaste.4801:

I think all classes should have the same base health and armor choices. There is no logical reason that I can find that justifies the current base armor/health values. Melee clearly isn’t the reason for heavy armor as all classes have melee. Mobility isn’t the reason either as warrior is highly mobile. The only reason certain classes have certain armor is purely based on aesthetics, the health justification is just a big mystery. Once we get all classes on an even playing field we can actually start getting some balance in the game. At the very least there is ZERO reason that justifies having some classes start with 291(armor) stat points and essentially 757 more stat points(vitality).

If anyone wants to try and make a case for why the current base health/armor values are where they are then by all means. However, beware that I can almost guarantee there will be another class/spec that will call it into question.

Because it would break the game. I do think that some need to be adjusted but some classes have WAY more defense than others built into the classes – Warriors for example – Immunities, mobility, Passive Regen. Now if a Necromancer was brought down to say Thief level – with the fact they have NO defense, yeah they wouldn’t stand a chance in ANY fight….

You just prove the point. Warriors have tons of defensive capabilities but still get max health/armor where the necro only gets health. Does DS truly warrant the light to heavy armor discrepancy on top of immunities, mobility, regen, and high damage?

Don’t get me wrong if they equalized the base health values and made all armor classes available to each class it would upset current balance. The problem is that current balance isn’t great at all and it’s continually trying to band-aid balance the stat discrepancies inherent from the base values. If we can set the base values as equal then we open up a huge variety of builds for all classes and can truly balance the classes based on survivability, dmg, mobility, etkittenil then classes will be pidgeonholed into going up certain trait lines and getting certain gear just to get enough vitality/toughness to survive against moderate DPS builds. Don’t even get me started on the trait line stat issues either! It’s just plain bad design.

Paulie.6215:

Samhayn.2385:

Paulie.6215:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

…so why should one condition class be punished and the others ignored?

Because the necro as a “condition class” can approach 40k ups with one key press.

40k health and can be perma ccd to death.

Spec better? Not sure what else to tell you.

All classes can be “perma ccd to death” necro isn’t special in this regard. 40k hp makes it way easier to survive.

Death shroud should get a 50% reduction in hp or have a 1 min cool down.

Well you know… except for the fact that necros have 0 escapes, can only access stability on a 140s CD, have only 1 stun break, have no way to prevent an enemy from leaving, and have no access to block, aegis, vigor, immunity, or evade.

We have 40k HP because literally our only option is to stand in place and face tank it. Plus it takes 30-40 seconds of fighting to even generate the life force required to use the second HP bar. In PvP I have to die 5-6 times before I even have the option of using it, then it is usable for 1 fight then I have to do 5-6 more deaths to fill it back up.

I would suggest you learn how the classes actually work in PvP before bashing them because it makes you look silly

Distaste.4801:

You just prove the point. Warriors have tons of defensive capabilities but still get max health/armor where the necro only gets health. Does DS truly warrant the light to heavy armor discrepancy on top of immunities, mobility, regen, and high damage?

Don’t get me wrong if they equalized the base health values and made all armor classes available to each class it would upset current balance. The problem is that current balance isn’t great at all and it’s continually trying to band-aid balance the stat discrepancies inherent from the base values. If we can set the base values as equal then we open up a huge variety of builds for all classes and can truly balance the classes based on survivability, dmg, mobility, etkittenil then classes will be pidgeonholed into going up certain trait lines and getting certain gear just to get enough vitality/toughness to survive against moderate DPS builds. Don’t even get me started on the trait line stat issues either! It’s just plain bad design.

The problem would then become – EVERYONE would use Heavy armor just for the defensive boost alone. Now a way to counter that COULD be ahve some sort of movement speed connected to the armor.

So wearing all light armor would mean that you would be defensively weaker but you would also have a movement speed increase. Base movement nothing that can be stacked or anything and it would only be say 5-10%

Taking HEAVY armor though, you would be tougher thanks to the defense that the armor comes with but that would mean your movement speed would be reduced to counter the fact that you are wearing heavy armor again say 5-10%

This kind of thing as a starting basis could actually work, give players the OPTION to use any of the armor BUT at a cost.

Light = Low defense, high mobility
Medium = Medium defense, No change to mobility
Heavy = High defense, Low mobility

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Distaste.4801:

You just prove the point. Warriors have tons of defensive capabilities but still get max health/armor where the necro only gets health. Does DS truly warrant the light to heavy armor discrepancy on top of immunities, mobility, regen, and high damage?

Don’t get me wrong if they equalized the base health values and made all armor classes available to each class it would upset current balance. The problem is that current balance isn’t great at all and it’s continually trying to band-aid balance the stat discrepancies inherent from the base values. If we can set the base values as equal then we open up a huge variety of builds for all classes and can truly balance the classes based on survivability, dmg, mobility, etkittenil then classes will be pidgeonholed into going up certain trait lines and getting certain gear just to get enough vitality/toughness to survive against moderate DPS builds. Don’t even get me started on the trait line stat issues either! It’s just plain bad design.

Light = Low defense, high mobility
Medium = Medium defense, No change to mobility
Heavy = High defense, Low mobility

Warriors will be crying over this haha.

Kyon.9735:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Light = Low defense, high mobility
Medium = Medium defense, No change to mobility
Heavy = High defense, Low mobility

Warriors will be crying over this haha.

Of course it would mean FIXING the Greatsword as well of course, making it work ONLY with a target.

Should they wish to have more mobility, they could go with Medium or light armor, of course that would mean having less armor but mobility should come at a cost.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Kyon.9735:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Light = Low defense, high mobility
Medium = Medium defense, No change to mobility
Heavy = High defense, Low mobility

Warriors will be crying over this haha.

Of course it would mean FIXING the Greatsword as well of course, making it work ONLY with a target.

Should they wish to have more mobility, they could go with Medium or light armor, of course that would mean having less armor but mobility should come at a cost.

Haha don’t worry that was just a sarcasm post. There are a lot of warriors in denial of how OP their mobility is and they’d cry foul if this change were to happen because right now, they have High Defense and High Mobility and a change like this would only mean a nerf to them. Of course as a person who plays another class, I’d love to try this out.