Guild Wars 2

With the upcoming nerfs there are really 0 viable mesmer builds for pvp.
And only like 1 for WvW (Mantra Heal) and about 1/2 for Pve (Phantasm)

Since PU will be nerfed to the ground and be totally random and you can’t shatter in the enemys face because you can’t override your clone infront of him and he can dodge everything / just run away while drinking his coffe and doing the dishes. (Mostly because Sword #3 is still bugged like kitten).

That just seems totally wrong, everyone talks about build diversity and how every class should have more and more viable builds. But we as the mesmers get all our builds that work for in the meta nerfed after 1 month.

I just want you to think about this and appel to my fellow mesmers.
Don’t riot. But show yourself if we dont do anything against it or no one gets this msg we can all reroll a warrior.

Dang, I came here thinking I’d find some fun/viable builds to replace mine that got wiped off the map by the Deceptive Evasion nerf. Guess I’ll keep looking but the pickin’s are getting mighty slim.

pu wont be nerfed to the ground, but it affects all builds. i usually dodge away twice if i get zerged and the enemy will chase after the clones for a little moment. now if i have 1 phantasm up and a clone i can only dodge once and the second time i wont have that clone helping me to confuse the enemy.
i used de as a defensive trait not clonedeath as clone death is not very useful in wvw large scale fights. i would be ok with the nerf, but only if anet finally starts giving the mes some attention in the wvw large scale fights. all we see is nerf after nerf and the only buffs we got is mantras, which still are a pain to use and yes pu. but pu is not gonna help us to be more than a stupid veilbot. we need our aoe back. since anet destroyed glamour and made it not worth speccing for it at all, we got nothing but veil and then stand on the side watching the fight.
seems like they only focus on spv and ignore that every change affects wvw like 10 times more. so anet please remove all the stuff u have destroyed(glamours), replace them with something useful, improve the use of mantras(recharging a mantra in a zerg is a pain and really doesent quiet fit in with the way gw2 plays)or remove and replace them, fix our bugs(iwarden,obstructed,ileap,blink,phantasms not spawning and going into full cd, decoy sometimes not working, etc), fix our traitlines or simply redisign the entire class.
we are stuck and not able to improve at all in wvw because all u see is spvp 1v1. there is other game modes, there is other builds that u hurt with changes. and no it is not fun to be a utilitybot in wvw since u nerfed mes to the ground in wvw.

Why is PvE tagged in the title? Mesmer PvE meta is still phantasmway and that hasn’t been changed at all apart from the overall zerk nerf.

PvE is tagged because the nerf to vigor effects all mesmer builds. and many ppl use shatter builds in PvE aswell.

And selan i agree most of the time you use DE in a defensiv way or to get that quick interrupt you need while you dodge backwards if i dont get anything to block the dmg (mostly projectile) we can just veil the zerg and then suicide or go afk while its on cd.

There is just no reason to play mesmer anymore. 0 reliable condi dmg 0 burst if shatter gets hit that hard and for that bit of mantra support you cant use in bigger fights (3v3 MAX) you can just play a ele. If you want reflect play Guardian anything else? Warrior …

I don’t understand why you claim PU is “nerfed to the ground” Tbh only nerf In the whole patch is vigour is 5 sec on a 10 sec cd instead of 5 sec cd. with PU boon uptime + traveler you already have about 8 sec uptime meaning you now have 2 sec without vigour at worst.

You don’t even need to use the “create clone on death” trait to be effective as a power PU Mesmer and as a condition you can play well without dodge to overwrite clones to create death.

The crit dmg nerf happens to al classes and affect thiefs worse than mesmers, I kinda sure you overreacting and misunderstand.

/Osicat

Osicat.4139:

I don’t understand why you claim PU is “nerfed to the ground” Tbh only nerf In the whole patch is vigour is 5 sec on a 10 sec cd instead of 5 sec cd. with PU boon uptime + traveler you already have about 8 sec uptime meaning you now have 2 sec without vigour at worst.

You don’t even need to use the “create clone on death” trait to be effective as a power PU Mesmer and as a condition you can play well without dodge to overwrite clones to create death.

The crit dmg nerf happens to al classes and affect thiefs worse than mesmers, I kinda sure you overreacting and misunderstand.

/Osicat

Ok nerfed to the ground is maybe a bit hard you’re right.
But what IMO really sucks is that now you can’t destroy them by yourself anymore so now they need to die randomly. This makes (only saying it again this is only my oppinion) PU a random build if you fight someone who has equal skill your chances decreasse a lot.

But maybe the Shattercat can come up with some “usefullnes” for the mesmer.

Overall you’re right but i hope you get my point.

PS: Love your vids / builds

Sorry, but Mesmers need to be nerfed.

Only Warriors and Gaurdians are allowed to be viable.

anet already showed in the last stream how much they dislike the mes.probably because they lost with their warriors against a skilled mesmer. they talked about mes like this: purple purple hahaha……cheese….hahaha….no u dont get a clone….hahaha. cheesy….hahahaa.
we need a new balance person that is not prejudice against our class. maybe they will see that mes is a bottom feeder in wvw that is only allowed to put down veil and then stand on the side for the rest of the battle.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Why is PvE tagged in the title? Mesmer PvE meta is still phantasmway and that hasn’t been changed at all apart from the overall zerk nerf.

Shatter in pve was nerfed to death long ago. The vigor change will be sad, but it’s not killer. Pve is not going to be affected at all, agreed with Guanglai.

I think we are overreacting to this nerf. There are other ways to create clones aside from dodging.

Malakin.2809:

I think we are overreacting to this nerf. There are other ways to create clones aside from dodging.

well its not about the creating a clone only. for me it is defense that will be taken away. having a clone on dodge saved me many times in wvw from a zerg chasing me