Guild Wars 2

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Grok Krog.9581:

I only like Ranger’s when they’re using the proper things.

Spotter (gets me up to the 99% crit chance cap)

Frost Spirit. 7% extra damage is nice on top of all other damage boosts

Extra Fury/Blast Finisher Might from Warhorn.

Decent Vulnerability

and a Jungle Stalker for 5 stacks of party wide Might

This… And if a ranger joins my group with a bow equipped. They are insta booted.

Really? You kick a RANGER because he uses ranged weapons? It’s like saying i’ll kick a thief if he uses daggers.

I love every class by my side.
Kicking someone bc. of their class is exacly what is wrong with this zerg-and-grind-loving community.
Take this snowball-PVP-wintersdayevent for example: If your team is even 100 points behind mostly everyone just quits! O_o WTH It’s not as if the losing team wouldn’t get some reward as well and btw what do they expect? Restart the event?! As if someone in the winning team would make space for them.

That’s also the problem with some ppl. getting kicked from a party: Because the rest of the party is just dumb as bread and doesn’t see the game as a place to have fun but as a pure competition.

Because of the average pug that uses a bear and a shortbow while wearing full clerics and not using healing spring or spirits.

A proper sword/WH ranger with an moa, spotter and spirits is always welcome.

moa? why not cat

kyubi.3620:

moa? why not cat

Because moas have decent dps, AoE heal, AoE fury and they can take a punch.

you dont need aoe fury on pet when you already got horn and a guardian or warrior in your party spamming it. Cat deals way better damage but i agree that if you actualy suck at managing your pet your better off going for a more tanky thing like moa or drake.

cuz there is not enough bear bows and everyone wants bear bows

Shizlam.4310:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Grok Krog.9581:

I only like Ranger’s when they’re using the proper things.

Spotter (gets me up to the 99% crit chance cap)

Frost Spirit. 7% extra damage is nice on top of all other damage boosts

Extra Fury/Blast Finisher Might from Warhorn.

Decent Vulnerability

and a Jungle Stalker for 5 stacks of party wide Might

This… And if a ranger joins my group with a bow equipped. They are insta booted.

Really? You kick a RANGER because he uses ranged weapons? It’s like saying i’ll kick a thief if he uses daggers.

No offense, but this is the problem. A better option exists— the sword— but he will not take it. No pug rangers will. If the better option was only pink umbrellas, you should be using pink umbrellas, because that is what helps your group the most.

When folks are playing “how they want”, that’s great for them, but do not expect to have a reputation for damage or contributions to speed clears.

Its already been tested they have the lowest dps of all 8 classes, and typically most them still use bows when melee weapons are stronger

Though I do like the water fields and bonus dmg spirits, its counter intuitive to bring one if you want fast clears.

Shizlam.4310:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Grok Krog.9581:

I only like Ranger’s when they’re using the proper things.

Spotter (gets me up to the 99% crit chance cap)

Frost Spirit. 7% extra damage is nice on top of all other damage boosts

Extra Fury/Blast Finisher Might from Warhorn.

Decent Vulnerability

and a Jungle Stalker for 5 stacks of party wide Might

This… And if a ranger joins my group with a bow equipped. They are insta booted.

Really? You kick a RANGER because he uses ranged weapons? It’s like saying i’ll kick a thief if he uses daggers.

Rangers aren’t people who use range weapons, they are watchers of the wild in the open range. Like this guy

Shizlam.4310:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Grok Krog.9581:

I only like Ranger’s when they’re using the proper things.

Spotter (gets me up to the 99% crit chance cap)

Frost Spirit. 7% extra damage is nice on top of all other damage boosts

Extra Fury/Blast Finisher Might from Warhorn.

Decent Vulnerability

and a Jungle Stalker for 5 stacks of party wide Might

This… And if a ranger joins my group with a bow equipped. They are insta booted.

Really? You kick a RANGER because he uses ranged weapons? It’s like saying i’ll kick a thief if he uses daggers.

Yep. I kick them too. As much as many want ranger to be useful with bow in dungeons… it’s not.

What we want doesn’t always = reality. Take it up with arena net.

Charak.9761:

Shizlam.4310:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Grok Krog.9581:

I only like Ranger’s when they’re using the proper things.

Spotter (gets me up to the 99% crit chance cap)

Frost Spirit. 7% extra damage is nice on top of all other damage boosts

Extra Fury/Blast Finisher Might from Warhorn.

Decent Vulnerability

and a Jungle Stalker for 5 stacks of party wide Might

This… And if a ranger joins my group with a bow equipped. They are insta booted.

Really? You kick a RANGER because he uses ranged weapons? It’s like saying i’ll kick a thief if he uses daggers.

Rangers aren’t people who use range weapons, they are watchers of the wild in the open range. Like this guy

I always use him to reference what a ranger should be like

The reason? Bowbears.

I am sorry but Bowbear Rangers are so so so much fun to play while leveling and open world that you fall in love with them. But in dungeons…they do not quite make it.

Reasons not to take a bowbear ranger in your party ever:

1. Really bad DPS.
2. Even lower DPS because they are ranging while everyone is stacking boons at melee range of the boss.
3. The pet aggros things it should not.
4. Playing ranged makes the wall-stacked boss to move away from the wall if the ranger draws aggro, therefore reducing Fiery Greatsword and other AoE DPS greatly due to movement.
5. The pet stops mobs from coming into melee range for stacking, such as the Graveling Stalker and Breeder in the trap room of AC(after Spider Queen). This leads to the Breeder breeding dozens of little gravelings that swarm at your party and waste your time just because of the ranger.

The playstyle of the bowbear ranger just does not fit or synergize with the current stacking-melee meta. They are almost mutually exclusive.

I’m going to start this post by asking has anyone here actually been kicked from a group because they were a Ranger? Has anyone here actually left a group because it contained a Ranger?

Despite the stigma the class has, I’ve honestly never experienced the former and only a couple times have I seen the latter. And I’m a Ranger.

PvE in this game is a non-factor. It’s boring, 1 dimmensional, ineffective, and easy. I’d wager the bulk of people in this thread couldn’t determine if the people in their group were running a 0/0/0/0/0 build in all yellows or a top tier DPS spec in all berserker ascended gear.

I’d bet money people don’t want Rangers in PvE because they also WvW and see how ineffective the class is there and place that image of the class in PvE. PvE Rangers actually work out pretty well. They aren’t top tier like Eles and Thieves, but they’re certainly not bottom tier like Engineers and Necromancers.

You know, I’m certainly not going to come out and say that rangers have no problems (I am one, I know…) but the constant ‘bearbow’ thing…honestly, I see an awful lot more rangers running not-bears than bears, these days, and for the last many months, in fact. For the first maybe 6 months of the game you saw a lot of bears but a) everyone was levelling and pet choice wasn’t such a crucial thing, and b) bears were considered the ‘best’ solo pet for tanking purposes for awhile, along with drakes.

In both PvE and WvW (can’t speak to dungeon PUGs as I don’t PUG dungeons), I see a lot more cats, dogs, and spiders/destroyers than bears unless I am in starter zones. I can’t help but think that there is some ‘bearbow’ confirmation bias happening.

And I say this as someone who sometimes uses either a bow and/or gasp a bear, for condi removal or soloing/gathering on landscape where it doesn’t make a blind bit of difference because everything dies in about 3 seconds, or you keep the pet on passive and just keep running/Greatsword 3 swooping between nodes.

Wow this thread, I had no idea people despise ranger so much

I am now going to use my ranger in more dungeon runs just so that I can help fight the negative stigma people have with ranger. Alot of these mistakes are pretty terrible and I do know how to support a group in a dungeon and I want to help improve the community and change things.

chaosdeity.6287:

Wow this thread, I had no idea people despise ranger so much

I am now going to use my ranger in more dungeon runs just so that I can help fight the negative stigma people have with ranger. Alot of these mistakes are pretty terrible and I do know how to support a group in a dungeon and I want to help improve the community and change things.

I’ve seen one Ranger having to explain everytime they join a party that
“I am not a bowbear, I have Spotter and Frost Spirit”

That Ranger will always be welcomed to my party.

The discrimination is not against Rangers, but against Bowbears.
The fact that a lot of Rangers are using Bowbear make people assume Bowbear the moment they see a Ranger in party. People tend to remember negative experiences more than positive ones, and since having a Bowbear in your party is a really horrible experience, people tend to remember that.

Turtle Dragon.9241:

chaosdeity.6287:

Wow this thread, I had no idea people despise ranger so much

I am now going to use my ranger in more dungeon runs just so that I can help fight the negative stigma people have with ranger. Alot of these mistakes are pretty terrible and I do know how to support a group in a dungeon and I want to help improve the community and change things.

I’ve seen one Ranger having to explain everytime they join a party that
“I am not a bowbear, I have Spotter and Frost Spirit”

That Ranger will always be welcomed to my party.

The discrimination is not against Rangers, but against Bowbears.
The fact that a lot of Rangers are using Bowbear make people assume Bowbear the moment they see a Ranger in party. People tend to remember negative experiences more than positive ones, and since having a Bowbear in your party is a really horrible experience, people tend to remember that.

This x1000. Run the right stuff, and people will love you. If you make an Lfg, put that you are a spotter ranger. People will join quicker.

Laurelinde.4395:

In both PvE and WvW (can’t speak to dungeon PUGs as I don’t PUG dungeons), I see a lot more cats, dogs, and spiders/destroyers than bears unless I am in starter zones. I can’t help but think that there is some ‘bearbow’ confirmation bias happening.

I’ll admit that more pugs these days are running less bears. That’s great. But bows, and lack of spotter+frost spirit, are still a problem.

but the best point is, that in public groups, everyone know what he should bringt to the group guards/mesmer for reflect, war for banner, ele for fgs/frostbow, thief when stealth helps, engi for vuln and extra might…e.g. BUT the most ranger do…nothing.
i think this is the big point, a person that brings nothing for the group is like a person that got no exp with the run and this is a rly dangerous part, it would be okay if someone tell it before the dungeons starts so you can tell him what to do and where to doge, but if someone brings nothing and says nothing ~.~

Despite my position as an anti-sword ranger i agree bowbear still stand as an insult to the class efficiency and thus for 3 reason.

1.You dont need bear as tanky as it is to have a pet sturdy enought to survive boss encounter. bear is just the excuse bad ranger puts out to avoid getting their pet killed, please either run cat (best dps in the game and if you actualy a decent player you wont get it killed, best bet is to run jaguard for invisibility as it get practicaly ignored by the boss at all time) or drake (decent damage somewhat but very good armor)

2. Longbow should never in any case be your main weapon, because not only does it not serve any battle purpose save for mob repositionning and mass cripple (works very well for might stacking but i dont recommand it for anything else) but it also deal terribly poor damage and if you actualy run a build that is based on yourself dealing the damage its probably one of the worst choice. If you gunna single target a mob either run sword greatsword or shortbow if you run condition damage (condition damage is somewhat viable in pve as ranger you can easily stack the 25 bleed stack if you team up with your cat + you got poison and burn if you actualy pair it with sun spirit or torch offset).

3. As much as i hate to admit it Sword playstyle deals better damage then condition damage shortbow or axe multihit and utherly outdamage longbow sniping when it comes to actualy taking down a boss down, I was planning to run axe/horn sword/dagger as a battle set the moment i get to play again because of the actual versatility of the weapons. Of course you should keep your longbow stashed somewhere in your inventory for utility barrage and mass aoe fight, however it should remain stashed when you enter a boss fight for the purpose of keeping maximum dodge and damage availlable. The best ranger is the prepared one who has a set of each physical weapon availlable at all time and i think it would be true for prety much any class you with multiple physical playstyle (think i got possibly ALL weapon on my warrior ready for the go the moment i need them).

My belief is ill likely be running those sets of weapon on my return to the game
1rst set: might on critical sword/battle rune dagger
2nd set: might on critical axe/Battle rune horn
temporary set: Bloodlust rune axe for trash

with the sic em, frost spirit and signet of the wild utility coupled with healing spring and likely either rampage as one (boss fight might stacker) or the mass healing spirit elite.

I played Elder Scroll Online open beta and i liked the game however i still see myself playing Guild Wars 2 AND ranger in the future while dabbling a little in both game. Dont screw my hope for the class Anet make ranger more interesting and improve on the game so that i keep having a good reason to play it the same as i got right now.

PS: Im prety much partial to the use of spotter in a party already close to the crit cap. But eh its a mather of belief, just please try and at least run sword with a defrent pet then bear or condi ranger at least.

We need a title like “Not a bearbow” so people wont automatically judge us all as crap.

No but seriously, I know the sword/spotter/spirit combo does the most dps. Thing is I cant play sword on ranger. I freely admit it, that with a sword my ranger stinks. Though I am not limited in other weapon choices. I have axe/horn/GS/LB/SB in my backpack all the time. I also have all the pets I can get, so if you don’t like whatever it is I’m using just say so and ask me to change. I do prefer my longbow, because I want at least one character who does “pew pew stuffs”.

If the DPS of everthing else apart from the spirit/spotter/sword combo was raised a bit it would help overall.

The main issue will always be the pet though. Unless pets are massively overhauled, and the traiting is improved, and rangers start synergising with the party and not just pets they will always be stigmatised.

well i think they just need give pet invulnerability on evade and power scaling with master :/

I mean my cat needs 25 stack of might to even be able to crit 12k with bite in the best of circonstance and with signet of the hunt activated/signet of the wild up and im beast mastery capped (+300 to all pet stat). Pet at 25 might stack should at least be able to do 4k auto attack (this is in no case comparable to the warrior devastating 10k but this at least would make it an appreciable build in party damage wise)

Ill likely try the effect similar to bloodlust postpatch for pet wich instead of stacking 1 now stack 5 and see for myself if it actualy is any better then before, however im not building my hope up this build needs power scaling like all the other pet/minion/summon based build.

Because pets, because bearbow, and because i’ve had so many bad rangers i’m NOT taking any more chances.

kyubi.3620:

. Pet at 25 might stack should at least be able to do 4k auto attack

srsly?
you make something wrong, my jaguar crits without frostbite or SoH for ~5-6k
thats the reason i called my jaguar choop choop dmg (warri axe auto-attack)

Bambula.3649:

kyubi.3620:

. Pet at 25 might stack should at least be able to do 4k auto attack

srsly?
you make something wrong, my jaguar crits without frostbite or SoH for ~5-6k
thats the reason i called my jaguar choop choop dmg (warri axe auto-attack)

on auto attack? or on bite cuz my bite easily does twice that damage WITHOUT banner or frost spirit. My best crit was done with a pug at 25 might and with good vuln. Likely he could do a 18k+ with an organised party but i never tryed to get that done mainly because running ranger in organised generaly spells yourself getting kicked the moment you enter.

Pet should easily be able to run 4k auto attack at 25 might without getting party buffed. My pet is as strong as its even possible to run it to begin with (30 in beast mastery 25 stack might+ signet of the wild and sic em should normaly get you the TOP possible dps with the pet) so its unlikely i can attain better pet damage without better party buff.

Turns out one of my guildies had a spotter + frost spirit ranger and took him with us on a couple of runs, so I finally got to experience the mythical “good ranger”. Smoothest, easiest runs I’ve done in a while— the damage was just so good, and it was such a pleasant experience. A++ would definitely recommend ranger again.

yea i just wish good ranger wasnt limited to running 30 in the kittened marksmanship tree just for spotter (god sake ill so never use that) when everyone is prety much already at 100% crit chance if anything.

kyubi.3620:

yea i just wish good ranger wasnt limited to running 30 in the kittened marksmanship tree just for spotter (god sake ill so never use that) when everyone is prety much already at 100% crit chance if anything.

Spotter is just a master trait, not grandmaster.

20 point is already to much of a waste for me to spend into marksmanship either they put it as 10 like warrior and guardian either they just move it to skirmish wich is the actual critical damage tree (i could use having a serious reason to go 30 in that tree instead of 25 or 20)

truth is our trait are realy messed up right now or just plenty bad and we could use a rework on them.

What is so great with spotter? It’s not really doing much difference with that 7% extra :/

other classes even need to go for some traits to be good in zerker groups, so where is the problem?

solrik.6028:

What is so great with spotter? It’s not really doing much difference with that 7% extra :/

More precision → more crit chance → closer to 100% crit / achieve 100% crit → able to invest more into power = more damage.

At the cost of specing very bad traits wich makes it realy not worth the expense. Team can perfectly deal maximum dps without that ridiculus 7%

kyubi.3620:

At the cost of specing very bad traits wich makes it realy not worth the expense. Team can perfectly deal maximum dps without that ridiculus 7%

Free 300 power with 30% condi duration is bad. Okay. Vuln stacking traits are bad okay. So reroll to cleric trap ranger is what you (?) want or whats the exact problem is? Im still new to ranger, so enlighten me please.

/i was sarcastic, dont get mad/

kyubi.3620:

At the cost of specing very bad traits wich makes it realy not worth the expense. Team can perfectly deal maximum dps without that ridiculus 7%

Sure, I can apply 15-20 vulnerability (from MM traits) but the party should be able to do that without traiting for vulnerability.

7% is very little imo and is not worth bringing. I’d rather bring a warhorn, flame trap, drake and stalker to buff the party with 10+ stacks of might.

We can talk about bringing spotter to dungeons when it gives 15% critical chance

1. 30% condition dura is useless in a zerk build

2. 300 power is a fine tradeoff if youd rather put those 30 point in beast mastery wich result in pet hiting harder surviving better and even providing additionnal effect

3. Vuln stacking can be done by other profession such as necromancer nade/bomb enginer and warrior and the vuln stack you place are far from behing worthwhile in a long fight its just a cute opener wich gets in and goes away + the free critical on opening strike is actualy useless because you already do a critical nearly all the time.

Sure i could go that trait path so that signet affect myself as well but lets be honest everyone wants signet of the beastmaster OUT of the marksmanship tree and applying at all time so thats not enought of a good reason to pretend MM is actualy any decent as it is right now.

We can talk about brigning spotter to dungeon when it gives 15% CRITICAL DAMAGE instead of the critical chance.

they can..but much classes need to stack preci or need preci buff-food so more power.
with my ranger and a disi banner my ranger got 103% crit chance

a bit to much but i have no assasin piece but it´s okay, with might, stacks,etc. i can get close to 5k attack

20 points in mm not more..dont know why brazil told this in the last video, it´s bullkitten

vul and might got stacked by other classes, but you can help sure.
we got the worst power scaling but is still the base dmg for high crits, so it is not such a waste of trait points and we got no other traitline where we could get a nice dmg boost, so it´s okay

beast mastery bambula… beast mastery. why does everyone consider that investing 30 point so that your pet gets to have 300 to all its stat as well as damage and effect boost is actualy a poor choice when it makes both your and your pet life easyer. pet deals more damage pet dies less you get more healing power and you even get to have lower pet recharge swap, whats the loss vs what you gain with marksmanship id choose BM anyday over opening strike. Only reason Bm is not in the meta is because the guy who created it didnt expect pet to do anything more then dying and hed rather have the damage bonus on him then on his pet wich is a awfull prejudice.

Sure your pet dies fast in WVW but we talking about a PVE meta here and MM hardly provide any real benefit save for non permanant stacks of vuln and a free 300 power to yourself.

Shizlam.4310:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

This… And if a ranger joins my group with a bow equipped. They are insta booted.

Really? You kick a RANGER because he uses ranged weapons? It’s like saying i’ll kick a thief if he uses daggers.

This is the best post ever.

I want to be ranger so I need bow, I want to play guardian so I will better equip shield, I want my warrior to be barbarian one so I must use double axes. I’m the best thief in game and I’ll steal thy gold. Don’t worry my friends I’ll use my necromantic powers to bring you back from the dead.

RP Wars 2.

Ranger is not a class, ranger is a state of mind. And this state is what we hate.

Duanheim.9527:

Shizlam.4310:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

This… And if a ranger joins my group with a bow equipped. They are insta booted.

Really? You kick a RANGER because he uses ranged weapons? It’s like saying i’ll kick a thief if he uses daggers.

This is the best post ever.

I want to be ranger so I need bow, I want to play guardian so I will better equip shield, I want my warrior to be barbarian one so I must use double axes. I’m the best thief in game and I’ll steal thy gold. Don’t worry my friends I’ll use my necromantic powers to bring you back from the dead.

RP Wars 2.

Ranger is not a class, ranger is a state of mind. And this state is what we hate.

Running sword only on ranger also is a state of mind as justified as it is.

for what you need healpower in pve? Oo
wtf !?
in frac´s and dungeons are some bosses where the pet mechanic wont work, the 30 points in bm will not change this and your pet deal more dmg with 20 points in skirmishing than with 30 points in thats why the bm bunker get away from 30 in bm tree

kyubi.3620:

Running sword only on ranger also is a state of mind as justified as it is.

His point was, that ranger’s using ranged weapons are the state of mind of the general masses. Which is why so many run it. I wish people had the mindset of running sword. For the most part, they do not. Which is why there is so much Ranger hate.

i got 0 25 0 15 30

im FAR from a pet bunker… im an all out critical/damage pet burst hybrid build here

I got both the skirmishing and the beast mastery take a guess at how i deal my damage? 30 point in marksmanship in no ways improve my pet damage as much as running beastmastery but i get your point since you proly want to run it without using the pet.

Im perfectly aware some situation makes pet mechanic feels weaker but thats a problem i rarely have to cope with.

…i did not said that you are a bm bunker but it got his reason why the people dont take to much in bm..it´s nice that your pet deal such a massive dmg but my pet deal a good constant dmg and me much more than you, so it´s a beastmaster build cause i play with my pet and make the dmg together with my pet

Xyonon.3987:

So it equals to ~6% crit chance for everyone – neat o.O Why should one not take this? Again the “passive dmg doesn’t exist” disease?

The main issue is it is pretty deep in marksman and marksman is one of the trees that is actually sort of packed with good stuff. In a dungeon if you have marksman spec you should be running but many run eagle eye which gives like 5% pure damage boost in increase in range instead.

Ranger suffers somewhat in dungeons simply from what peoples perception of what a ranger should be. Most who play rangers went that way for bows or at least heavy bow use. If they wanted more melee power or a light melee fighter they would have taken rogue or warrior.

People who go ranger tend to be those who are drawn to that ranged archetype only to find the bow skills are not really good to use and or crippled at short range. Given the low radius of boon granting most group combat benefits from most people being pretty close to each other which means you generally are all at short/no range to the target. So unfortunately the mechanics of the game play against the desired play style of rangers pretty badly.

Then you have the pet meh I love pets in most games but the GW2 ranger pet is just such a headach. It is very unresponsive to commands so when people talk about rangers poorly controlling their pets some is player inattention but much of it is some guy sitting at his computer swearing like crazy because his pet will NOT do anything he tells it to in a timely fashion. It should tell you something that many rangers are asking for way to stow the pet permanently even if it means taking the DPS loss of not having it around.

People mock the bear but there is a reason people use it for an unresponsive AI pet that cannot/will not dodge having a pet with enough HP to survive the scripted boss fights with all the ground AOEs so common to them is one of the few ways to get much use out of the crappy pet. Personally though I tend to use drakes/insects drakes are pretty durable up close and at least can give you some random blast finishers from time to time. The insects have enough range to at least keep out of the instant melee death range so they tend to last a big longer and don’t get in the way. Also due to their range they are less likely to blunder around agroing extra adds.

Unless there is some big change on how boons are granted and changes/upgrades to pet responsiveness I don’t see rangers ever being anything but somewhat awkward in dungeons.

I have tried the other weapon types and the great sword is a reasonable weapon for dungeons. I have tried the one handed sword and the constant rooting it does infuriates me so bad I just cannot use it.

kyubi.3620:

1. 30% condition dura is useless in a zerk build

2. 300 power is a fine tradeoff if youd rather put those 30 point in beast mastery wich result in pet hiting harder surviving better and even providing additionnal effect

3. Vuln stacking can be done by other profession such as necromancer nade/bomb enginer and warrior and the vuln stack you place are far from behing worthwhile in a long fight its just a cute opener wich gets in and goes away + the free critical on opening strike is actualy useless because you already do a critical nearly all the time.

Sure i could go that trait path so that signet affect myself as well but lets be honest everyone wants signet of the beastmaster OUT of the marksmanship tree and applying at all time so thats not enought of a good reason to pretend MM is actualy any decent as it is right now.

We can talk about brigning spotter to dungeon when it gives 15% CRITICAL DAMAGE instead of the critical chance.

1. Vulnerability.
2. Only mathematics would provide a clear result which is actually better, but since the ranger itself has evade frames, while the pet not, its much safer to invest in character attributes.
3. Fair point, i agree. At the start of the fight every few stack of vuln is handy and other classes can delay their vuln application to maintain 20+ stacks longer.

Signet of the beastmaster is only good (corrrect me if not) at dredge fractal where you can get a ton of invuln especially if you are a sylvari.

Thats why you need warriors. Unique buffs ftw!

After reading through all these posts, I’ve come to a conclusion, which can be foudn int the post here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvE-The-State-of-Ranger-Utility-in-Dungeons/first#post3499740

Hopefully that thread will be cleaner and more focused!

Dalanor.5387:

Signet of the beastmaster is only good (corrrect me if not) at dredge fractal where you can get a ton of invuln especially if you are a sylvari.

so often done 49..never needed