Guild Wars 2

Hi guys,
This is not for hate or something, just discussion and to get some advice to fight this build.
Yesterday i was messing in hotjoin trying strange expermintal builds as always (i think hotjoin exist for this), just so you guys know i was using a berserk mesmer build, of course not the best in this kittenty condibunker meta.
A thief come, the moment i saw her i knew it was problem for me, i had only 1 stunbreak (on CD), and every kind of thief could have owned me in seconds with the build i was using.
So the fight start, and it’s like this:
(1) Me, mesmer + (2) ranger + (3)something so bad i didnt even had the time to understand wich class he was using that he already started running random attacking Svanir just to die from the mob lol
AGAINST
(1) The thief + (2) a power necro, a bad one

I down and stomp the necro in seconds.
Now we are 2v1, but here comes the nightmare.
The thief start a super gimmick dance, stealthing every few seconds, every time she reappear all conditions are cleaned, and a good portion of life restored.
She down the ranger, stealth, stomp, i dont have the time to save him.

Now we are 1v1, my stunlock build is not the best against a class that have unlimited stunbreakers w/o CD, but you know, not every mesmer run PU cheese builds.
I say to myself “this thief already stomped 2 guys in the last minute, i saw her using thief guild, shadow refuge, shadowstep and the backflip heal, and she have 50% of life remaining, I CAN MAKE IT FFS!!!!!”
The fight start, every time one of my phantasm hit she lose half of her life, but then she stealth and boom, no condi and life regenerated, so i understand she have 30 in shadow arts.
She hit hard, but not as hard as expected, not a berserk…
I the end i lose, i already used my skills, i have all in CD, while she keep on jumping and stealthing.
After she stomp me i whisper the player, i say “GG guy, most skilled thief i see in a while”, he respond “i fight more outnumbered in wvw”.
I know that the best duelist in the game fight in solo roam wvw, so he is for sure a more skilled player than me, but this fight was just too much, too humiliating for me, so i go on spectator mode, and watch the guy playing for the rest of the game to understand how uses his class.
What i find is just horrible, he’s not a pro player at all, not doin anything awesome like i expected, he just use the same lame rotations (5+2 D/P, classis rotations), and spend most of his time only autoattacking with the main hand pistol, every time he is low life or get condition he just stealth, wait, and start again autoattacking.
This is orrible, my pure and shiny mesmer, brave as he is, running berserk build against all odds, got stomped by a gimmick cheese build.
The build is this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vYAQRAoa6Yl0MpoplOx7JsPNRw9wpKtpeK+KZ7UwV5D-TIAgyCuA
I didnt watched the runes and sigils so i left dem blank.
As last i wanna say that probably i could have won the fight with a more bunker PU buld, but i’m not here talking about mesmer builds.
I wanna know, is this build OP in pvp for you guys? i left the game 6 months ago and came back 2 weeks ago, so maybe this is an issue that you already know.

“Now we are 1v1, my stunlock build is not the best against a class that have unlimited stunbreakers w/o CD”

I stopped reading the rest….

Kanenas.4906:

“Now we are 1v1, my stunlock build is not the best against a class that have unlimited stunbreakers w/o CD”

I stopped reading the rest….

Oh i’m sorry if something bad happened to you while reading the post my friend
You’ll read it when you get ok maybe

lol, yes. So much -hmmm.. how to say it not very offensively- ignorance in one phrase triggered my self protection mechanism and caused me to stop reading.

Looks like typical p/d d/p wvw build… it is one of the best for 1v1/roaming in wvw etc. but not so great in high competitive pvp since it lacks burst and easily countered by anyone with brain/condi cleans, is still plagued by stealth issue in pvp and lacks any kind of mobility so nobody would take that thief as roamer on team.

Is it OP in hot join? possibly. Is it OP in tpvp? No, it is useless.

Btw you need only 1 stun break for such thief for basi venom (if he runs it) which is 45 sec CD. The bigger issue is actual condis. Blinds + condi clean work well vs such build as well as stuns and just major aoe. Mesmers have plenty of reflects, i would use them. If he is stupid, he will attack you and kill himself. If he is smart he will wait it out so i would just chain between reflects and CCs + condi cleans.

If he misses his CnD, he is screwed. If he gets stunned or pulled while trying to stack stealth through bp+2 he will die.

As side note, no half decent team runs PU mesmer btw.

Cynz.9437:

Looks like typical p/d d/p wvw build… it is one of the best for 1v1/roaming in wvw etc. but not so great in high competitive pvp since it lacks burst and easily countered by anyone with brain/condi cleans, is still plagued by stealth issue in pvp and lacks any kind of mobility so nobody would take that thief as roamer on team.

Is it OP in hot join? possibly. Is it OP in tpvp? No, it is useless.

P.S. btw you need only 1 stun break for such thief for basi venom (if he runs it) which is 45 sec CD. The bigger issue is actual condis. Blinds + condi clean work well vs such build as well as stuns and just major aoe. Mesmers have plenty of reflects, i would use them. If he is stupid, he will attack you and kill himself. If he is smart he will wait it out so i would just chain between reflects and CCs + condi cleans.

If he misses his CnD, he is screwed. If he gets stunned or pulled while trying to stack stealth through bp+2 he will die.

Wow a constructive and usefull comment, thank you!
Yeah as i said, i was running a expermintal build, i had only Decoy as stunbreaker and no condition removal, i was watching how interrupt buil works. Probably a PU condibunker build (the one i run in tpvp) could have won, but to be frankly, PU condibunker is probably the best 1v1 build atm, so it does not even count.
The thing that shocked me is how easy is to use this build compared to how efficent it is in doin the job, can believe people blame only hambow warriors.

Kanenas.4906:

lol, yes. So much -hmmm.. how to say it not very offensively- ignorance in one phrase triggered my self protection mechanism and caused me to stop reading.

Yeah sorry for the ignorance, but you know, nobody is bad by nature, i’m just stupid
I was refering to the fact that the interrupt build i was using is not efficent vs a class that can stealth everytime he want, you know, interrupt build works on “controlling” your opponent.
By the way if you are a thief, pls gimme some advice, i’m just rank 34 in pvp.

Mijo.3274:

Kanenas.4906:

“Now we are 1v1, my stunlock build is not the best against a class that have unlimited stunbreakers w/o CD”

I stopped reading the rest….

Oh i’m sorry if something bad happened to you while reading the post my friend
You’ll read it when you get ok maybe

I also stopped reading at this point, you do know they nerf that already eh?

BobbyT.7192:

Mijo.3274:

Kanenas.4906:

“Now we are 1v1, my stunlock build is not the best against a class that have unlimited stunbreakers w/o CD”

I stopped reading the rest….

Oh i’m sorry if something bad happened to you while reading the post my friend
You’ll read it when you get ok maybe

I also stopped reading at this point, you do know they nerf that already eh?

Read the comment i wrote after please

Mijo.3274:

Kanenas.4906:

lol, yes. So much -hmmm.. how to say it not very offensively- ignorance in one phrase triggered my self protection mechanism and caused me to stop reading.

Yeah sorry for the ignorance, but you know, nobody is bad by nature, i’m just stupid
I was refering to the fact that the interrupt build i was using is not efficent vs a class that can stealth everytime he want, you know, interrupt build works on “controlling” your opponent.
By the way if you are a thief, pls gimme some advice, i’m just rank 34 in pvp.

Sure, I will give you a clue or two! Stealth is not equal to "unlimited stunbreakers w/o CD”. Also “a class that can stealth everytime he want” exists only vs a bad opponent who lets him do it.
Always glad to help!

Mijo.3274:

BobbyT.7192:

Mijo.3274:

Kanenas.4906:

“Now we are 1v1, my stunlock build is not the best against a class that have unlimited stunbreakers w/o CD”

I stopped reading the rest….

Oh i’m sorry if something bad happened to you while reading the post my friend
You’ll read it when you get ok maybe

I also stopped reading at this point, you do know they nerf that already eh?

Read the comment i wrote after please

Sry, allergic to troll bait.

Kanenas.4906:

Mijo.3274:

Kanenas.4906:

lol, yes. So much -hmmm.. how to say it not very offensively- ignorance in one phrase triggered my self protection mechanism and caused me to stop reading.

Yeah sorry for the ignorance, but you know, nobody is bad by nature, i’m just stupid
I was refering to the fact that the interrupt build i was using is not efficent vs a class that can stealth everytime he want, you know, interrupt build works on “controlling” your opponent.
By the way if you are a thief, pls gimme some advice, i’m just rank 34 in pvp.

Sure, I will give you a clue or two! Stealth is not equal to "unlimited stunbreakers w/o CD”. Also “a class that can stealth everytime he want” exists only vs a bad opponent who lets him do it.
Always glad to help!

Oh ma gawd it’s embarassing how thieves always play the part of the pro players in forums, and spend their time whining about how UP their class is…
Guess you never tried a berserk mesmer with 1 sb on 40 sec cd and 1 condi removal on 40 sec cd, you know, experiment builds.
But the problem with this community is how everyone blame people for using the same builds and then ask for builds on their class subforum, guess you love using dp pd thief too…

Mijo.3274:

Oh ma gawd it’s embarassing how thieves always play the part of the pro players in forums, and spend their time whining about how UP their class is…
Guess you never tried a berserk mesmer with 1 sb on 40 sec cd and 1 condi removal on 40 sec cd, you know, experiment builds.
But the problem with this community is how everyone blame people for using the same builds and then ask for builds on their class subforum, guess you love using dp pd thief too…

Oh ma gawd, it’s embarrassing how I did not notice it earlier! I’m really sorry for upsetting you.
You asked so kindly for an advice “By the way if you are a thief, pls gimme some advice” and I tried to help, then you come and say that “thieves always play the part of the pro players in forums”. You also look like imagining things, and making guesses based on them…
How is this “short memory illness” is named again?

Mesmer isn’t in a great spot right now, but it’s shameful how many players refuse to L2P.

Mijo.3274:

Cynz.9437:

Looks like typical p/d d/p wvw build… it is one of the best for 1v1/roaming in wvw etc. but not so great in high competitive pvp since it lacks burst and easily countered by anyone with brain/condi cleans, is still plagued by stealth issue in pvp and lacks any kind of mobility so nobody would take that thief as roamer on team.

Is it OP in hot join? possibly. Is it OP in tpvp? No, it is useless.

P.S. btw you need only 1 stun break for such thief for basi venom (if he runs it) which is 45 sec CD. The bigger issue is actual condis. Blinds + condi clean work well vs such build as well as stuns and just major aoe. Mesmers have plenty of reflects, i would use them. If he is stupid, he will attack you and kill himself. If he is smart he will wait it out so i would just chain between reflects and CCs + condi cleans.

If he misses his CnD, he is screwed. If he gets stunned or pulled while trying to stack stealth through bp+2 he will die.

Wow a constructive and usefull comment, thank you!
Yeah as i said, i was running a expermintal build, i had only Decoy as stunbreaker and no condition removal, i was watching how interrupt buil works. Probably a PU condibunker build (the one i run in tpvp) could have won, but to be frankly, PU condibunker is probably the best 1v1 build atm, so it does not even count.
The thing that shocked me is how easy is to use this build compared to how efficent it is in doin the job, can believe people blame only hambow warriors.

Hambow is broken on any level of pvp. I run hambow as my backup character for soloq and it can fight 1v3 for a while on node while my team can cap other points. You won’t see that thief being able to do that. Besides with that thief build you still can’t screw up your rotation, no matter build thieves are fragile and die fast vs any half decent opponent. On hambow you can make mistakes all day and still survive.

Playing thief is like playing action game, you still need good reaction and fast judgement no matter build. Playing hambow is like playing table game with old lady.

LoneWolfie.1852:

Mesmer isn’t in a great spot right now, but it’s shameful how many players refuse to L2P.

..but….mesmer…vs thief….

They are pretty much on equal ground if you know how to play a mesmer…

I…I want to know what build the OP ran..maybe that will shed light on how he did bad and why this thread was made..

Wow, you guys are acting like children to the OP.

On topic: OP, this is a pretty basic 30 shadow arts build. The venom is a bit of a surprise (since mug is far greater) but besides that, pretty basic.

Let’s give a simple run down. There’s not a whole lot you can do to this build as a Mesmer, particularly as a beserker one with no condition cleanse, and extra particularly as a non-PU (stealth). What your best bet to do is to put up all your phantasms and hope he’s not smart enough to CnD on them. When he pops out he’ll hopefully take a ton of damage and be too pressured to fight you back and run off. Honestly, you’d be better off just leaving – Not like he packs the damage to kill you or the utility to chase you.

But I concur with one of the posters before me; You’ll never see a -good- thief playing this anywhere outside of WvW. It’s a very weak build for any sort of team play, and is more based on attrition and stealth (not the name of the game in spvp). He’ll be unable to capture points, spend 5 minutes downing a single person, and in general is extra weight for his team.

Umm… am I, uh…. following the right build link? I keep getting taken to a 0/0/30/20/20 build with only about 1500 power and 2200 armor using a carrion amulet. Is that correct?

Thanks to ALL for the feedbacks!
Sorry if someone got hurt for my sarcasm O.o

@Solori: the build i was using is something like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vgAQNAR8clknpRt1oxBNcrNSY6Rv9twJpQ1pukCejbA-TsAg0CnIqRVjrGTNyas1MsYZxGCA
Gotta admit it does a lot of dmg, but i dont like the fact that i cant control 100% interruptions, if i use my interrupt while the guy is not pressing any skill, boom wasted!

@Maugetarr: yep that’s the build, we’re talking about spvp, not wvw, and as you can see sigils and runes are not used in the build, simply because i dont remember wich one my enemy used.

@Rahar: Thank you! Yeah i always had problems with 30 shadow arts thieves, the problem here is that in my opinion is almost impossible to win a 1v1 against this kind of build if you’re running a full berserk build, not only mesmer i mean, i cant imagine a burst ele winning against this dp/pd thief (but personal skills>class balance, so i talk about players with the same skill level).
Of course if we talk about cantrip ele or PU mesmer it’s different, but thief always had problems with long fights.

Mijo.3274:

Thanks to ALL for the feedbacks!
Sorry if someone got hurt for my sarcasm O.o

@Solori: the build i was using is something like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vgAQNAR8clknpRt1oxBNcrNSY6Rv9twJpQ1pukCejbA-TsAg0CnIqRVjrGTNyas1MsYZxGCA
Gotta admit it does a lot of dmg, but i dont like the fact that i cant control 100% interruptions, if i use my interrupt while the guy is not pressing any skill, boom wasted!

@Maugetarr: yep that’s the build, we’re talking about spvp, not wvw, and as you can see sigils and runes are not used in the build, simply because i dont remember wich one my enemy used.

@Rahar: Thank you! Yeah i always had problems with 30 shadow arts thieves, the problem here is that in my opinion is almost impossible to win a 1v1 against this kind of build if you’re running a full berserk build, not only mesmer i mean, i cant imagine a burst ele winning against this dp/pd thief (but personal skills>class balance, so i talk about players with the same skill level).
Of course if we talk about cantrip ele or PU mesmer it’s different, but thief always had problems with long fights.

Ok….this build is neat..I will give you that, but I can see now why the thief gave you trouble..

ummmm…try this build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vgAQRAra8clknpRt1oxMNcrNicmB0FdkUoalWJF82FC-TwAg0CnIqRVjrGTNyas1MsYZxGiJEA

It’s a slight variation to your’s but it gives you two blocks a faster stun and a powerful phantasm.

You can also equip a torch in place of the other sword if you want more stealth game, that may also help you charge the daze mantra without being beaten on.

Kanenas.4906:

Mijo.3274:

Kanenas.4906:

lol, yes. So much -hmmm.. how to say it not very offensively- ignorance in one phrase triggered my self protection mechanism and caused me to stop reading.

Yeah sorry for the ignorance, but you know, nobody is bad by nature, i’m just stupid
I was refering to the fact that the interrupt build i was using is not efficent vs a class that can stealth everytime he want, you know, interrupt build works on “controlling” your opponent.
By the way if you are a thief, pls gimme some advice, i’m just rank 34 in pvp.

Sure, I will give you a clue or two! Stealth is not equal to "unlimited stunbreakers w/o CD”. Also “a class that can stealth everytime he want” exists only vs a bad opponent who lets him do it.
Always glad to help!

Lol I don’t agree. Nobody can stop a thief from steal thing all the time. You may be able to stop one or so but a d/p or d/d thief will keep going at it and you can’t really stop them (especially the d/p thief).

Cush.4063:

Kanenas.4906:

Mijo.3274:

Kanenas.4906:

lol, yes. So much -hmmm.. how to say it not very offensively- ignorance in one phrase triggered my self protection mechanism and caused me to stop reading.

Yeah sorry for the ignorance, but you know, nobody is bad by nature, i’m just stupid
I was refering to the fact that the interrupt build i was using is not efficent vs a class that can stealth everytime he want, you know, interrupt build works on “controlling” your opponent.
By the way if you are a thief, pls gimme some advice, i’m just rank 34 in pvp.

Sure, I will give you a clue or two! Stealth is not equal to "unlimited stunbreakers w/o CD”. Also “a class that can stealth everytime he want” exists only vs a bad opponent who lets him do it.
Always glad to help!

Lol I don’t agree. Nobody can stop a thief from steal thing all the time. You may be able to stop one or so but a d/p or d/d thief will keep going at it and you can’t really stop them (especially the d/p thief).

D/D need to hit a target, if they miss the C&D it’s initiative waste. D/P takes time to stealth, he have to spam 2 skill and when he uses HS you can imagine the final position, it’s not hard to focus on where the thief probably will stay.
Many people don’t really understand like thief works because they never played.

Mijo.3274:

Thanks to ALL for the feedbacks!
Sorry if someone got hurt for my sarcasm O.o

@Solori: the build i was using is something like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vgAQNAR8clknpRt1oxBNcrNSY6Rv9twJpQ1pukCejbA-TsAg0CnIqRVjrGTNyas1MsYZxGCA
Gotta admit it does a lot of dmg, but i dont like the fact that i cant control 100% interruptions, if i use my interrupt while the guy is not pressing any skill, boom wasted!

@Maugetarr: yep that’s the build, we’re talking about spvp, not wvw, and as you can see sigils and runes are not used in the build, simply because i dont remember wich one my enemy used.

@Rahar: Thank you! Yeah i always had problems with 30 shadow arts thieves, the problem here is that in my opinion is almost impossible to win a 1v1 against this kind of build if you’re running a full berserk build, not only mesmer i mean, i cant imagine a burst ele winning against this dp/pd thief (but personal skills>class balance, so i talk about players with the same skill level).
Of course if we talk about cantrip ele or PU mesmer it’s different, but thief always had problems with long fights.

Alright. I just don’t see where damage came from considering he only had a 4% crit chance and no crit damage and only access to poison as a damaging condition. It seems like it’s not made to tank either with pretty low armor. Runes and sigils can’t make up for the lack of condition variety and power that this build seems to have.

Edit: Nvm. Misread the second weapon set as something else instead of P/D. The problem is that he was actually a condition build which is pretty rough to counter on a mesmer. I think you might have misread the playstyle as well, because while his defense would have come from a 5+2 combo, his offense would have been a 5+1 sneak attack + autos from the pistol.