Guild Wars 2

This patch brought NOTHING to guardians but a heavy nerf (vigor).

All the GM traits are trash…even worse so.

A passive GRANDMASTER trait that gives 3k health in the hopes to fix the huge HP disparity with warriors? Boring and will never get picked over Pure of Voice.

Communal defenses sounded cool until we found out it didn’t give back aegis to the guardian AND had a 20 sec internal cooldown.

Virtues trait tries to balance the nerf to Vigor but fails because traits X and IX will ALWAYS be better. if I even went 30 points in virtues I would sure as hell pick IX and X, never this new trait.

And now, the best for last…the zeal and radiance traits…

What can I say, I thought they were a joke at the start, but lo and behold, they were not. Funny thing is that we already have another grandmaster trait in zeal which also buffs burn damage, so I wonder, why have 2 traits only the same trait line which pretty much do the same thing? Are the devs braindead when it comes to guardians? Do none of the QA ever play guardians? Was this trait a mistake?

Radiant retaliation….equally as bad as the zeal trait… Anet hopes to push guardians towards a condi heavy build while giving the class no means to apply any other cover condies nor have a reliable ranged way to spam conditions ala necro, thief, warrior, etc.
Again, this trait is an absolute joke.

Why is the community ignored when it comes to this class? Guardian is now the most boring and 1 dimentional class in the game and everyday guardian veterans and switching over to warriors.

Why are our spirit weapons STILL broken to this day? Why are half our signets worthless?

Stop QQing guardian is the most balanced class in this game.

The problem is not whether guardians are effective, its about how fun they are to play, and seeing how every class but us got new toys while our already broken toys weren’t even looked it, was a real bummer.

As I said, the guardian has 2 main trait setups right now. Used to be 3, but after vigor nerf, boon duration nerf and condi buffs, its no longer optimal.

Every patch, classes get changes and improvements and bug fixes, guardians get nerfs while our spirit weapons have remained worthless for well over 1 year now.

Guardians are very well balanced but now you just cant rely on them to do any damage in WvW like before.

The class is extremely boring and 1 dimensional and has been reduced to 2 viable builds.

Look at all the goodies the warrior got, every single one of their GM traits are useful in some kind of spec. Every single GM trait the guardian got IS COMPLETE GARBAGE. They aren’t even worth the darn effort to go and unlock em.

Condi build with only 1 condition and limited ways to apply them? This was the theme behind the guardian changes for the past 4 months and it failed because the current dev team have no clue about guardian mechanics. I swear, if they only spent 5 min to talk to players about what players think should be changed, the guardian would be tons more interesting to play.

Arent you tired of generic Staff+hammer/GS and 20/25/0/0/25 by now? Its literally the only viable specs

SPirit weapons are still broken. 2 of the signets are worthless. Condi damage builds are non existent. 2 trait lines have been reduced to 2 viable traits. Shatter aegis mechanics completely subpar….Need I go on?

Why change Guardians? They’re already really strong, but they’re not often complained about as being OP or anything.

Yeah, sure, they might not have that many builds- But the ones they do have are pretty fantastic. Elementalists didn’t have any meta builds before the patch (and I don’t even know if they do now).

If they change guardians, you will end up regretting it. If guards end up OP they will end up slowly nerfed to being far worse than they’ve been, and they’ve been nicely balanced since launch.

MiLkZz.4789:

Guardian is the most balanced class, it shines in PvE as full zerker damage dealers with good survivability. It shines in WvW as support/ backbone of the melee train. They shine as roamers as zerker meditation specs. They shine in sPvP as bunkers.

I love your logic, so warriors are the most balanced class cause it shines in many aspects in the game; Therefore all professions should be brought to its level.
Sometimes I wonder if people believe the things they say or just parroting things they heard around.

Guardian was the most well-balanced class at launch.

That was over a year and a half ago.

The class is becoming more and more obsolete, with a single role in a game where universal class roles was so highly praised and hyped. No one is saying that it’s a bad class. It just needs added variety and flavor to make it more than just the ‘bunker support’ class.

And the fact that other professions changed and got stronger while guardians didn’t.

Hunter.4783:

Look at all the goodies the warrior got, every single one of their GM traits are useful in some kind of spec. Every single GM trait the guardian got IS COMPLETE GARBAGE. They aren’t even worth the darn effort to go and unlock em.

4/5 warrior’s new gm traits are garbage, and the last one is good for pve.

Black Box.9312:

Guardian was the most well-balanced class at launch.

That was over a year and a half ago.

The class is becoming more and more obsolete, with a single role in a game where universal class roles was so highly praised and hyped. No one is saying that it’s a bad class. It just needs added variety and flavor to make it more than just the ‘bunker support’ class.

They are still balanced now. Guards are ever present in WvW, PVE and still have a solid place in high level pvp. Some classes can’t say any of those things, or at least not more than one of them.

If you’re bored of them, that doesn’t mean they need to disrupt a balanced class for it. Roll something else for some spice.

You do know that presentation is not how good the profession is right? Guardians are not FotM rolls or something (most of them anyway). And which profession isn’t good in more than 1 btw?

In my opinion guards are perfect. As has been previously said, they can do just about everything well. Little do most people know but they have a huge skill curve. The best guardians can absolutely trash most players of any class.

xFx.3247:

You do know that presentation is not how good the profession is right? Guardians are not FotM rolls or something (most of them anyway). And which profession isn’t good in more than 1 btw?

Rangers are hardly present in any, elementalists are good in large scale WvW along with necros, engineers and thieves are good for pvp and I suppose small scale WvW but nothing with big zergs. Guardians are he only class to be relevant on every stage since launch. Every other class, even warriors now, have ridden the balance roller coaster due to balance changes.

If you want some big buffs, guards will become OP, then get slowly shaved down to a shadow of what they were. What I’m saying with that is be careful what you wish for.

Don’t think that Guardians want to be overpower. Also, just like you think that guardians shine in many aspects, that’s not necessary that they are the best at it.

Rangers and Necros are somehow lacking in presentation in some areas; And the fact that guardians roller coaster wasn’t much since the beginning. I will give you that thou.

Nobody wants the already effective aspects of the class to be buffed. We want traits and skills that are currently all but useless to become more effective to allow guardian players to actually do more than play the one effective build.

I don’t guards are asking for buffs to current builds, at least not the ones that already ‘shine’. What would be nice is a reason to go deep in zeal and/or radience. A purpose for signets and spirit weapons. A build that can compete with, not outshine, other classes mobile roaming DPS or condi tank builds.

We already know we have great support, good tank and decent burst builds. And dungeon/frac meta DPS builds are fine too, no arguments there. The perceived problem is that little progression has occurred outside of those.

I don’t think guards see the possible balance issues to be as big an issue as other classes because we are used to the inherent balance in this class. We expect trade offs and sacrifice in our builds, we know we can’t have it all in one build. We just want new toys worth sacrificing our old toys for.

This is the one thing that guardians struggle with along with almost every other class. Most if not all other classes have trait lines that are entirely lackluster. And again, those classes, except warrior, are all far worse off.

I get what you’re saying, but what I’m saying is that guardian players do not have it bad in the least.

You are right, there are fewer flies in my soup. I’ll just tip the waiter and stop complaining then.

Mightymealworm.8409:

You are right, there are fewer flies in my soup. I’ll just tip the waiter and stop complaining then.

When you’re eating in the foodcourt that is MMORPGs, there are flies in everyone’s soup, yet you still stopped in for a bowl. And you did pretty well with it.

Hunter.4783:

The problem is not whether guardians are effective, its about how fun they are to play, and seeing how every class but us got new toys while our already broken toys weren’t even looked it, was a real bummer.

I am sorry, but your are a mistaken if “you” think that “you” get to decide what “fun” is. I have a great time on my guardian.

Hunter.4783:

As I said, the guardian has 2 main trait setups right now. Used to be 3, but after vigor nerf, boon duration nerf and condi buffs, its no longer optimal.

This simply false. This is actually so far from the truth that it is comical.

Hunter.4783:

Every patch, classes get changes and improvements and bug fixes, guardians get nerfs while our spirit weapons have remained worthless for well over 1 year now.

You mean similarly to how the warrior and engineer have been berfed in the last 7 patches or how the ele was nerfed into the ground month ago based on such irrational complaints?

dancingmonkey.4902:

Hunter.4783:

The problem is not whether guardians are effective, its about how fun they are to play, and seeing how every class but us got new toys while our already broken toys weren’t even looked it, was a real bummer.

I am sorry, but your are a mistaken if “you” think that “you” get to decide what “fun” is. I have a great time on my guardian.

Hunter.4783:

As I said, the guardian has 2 main trait setups right now. Used to be 3, but after vigor nerf, boon duration nerf and condi buffs, its no longer optimal.

This simply false. This is actually so far from the truth that it is comical.

Hunter.4783:

Every patch, classes get changes and improvements and bug fixes, guardians get nerfs while our spirit weapons have remained worthless for well over 1 year now.

You mean similarly to how the warrior and engineer have been berfed in the last 7 patches or how the ele was nerfed into the ground month ago based on such irrational complaints?

My idea of “fun” happens to be the same as most people playing this game right now, which is build variety and balance in all aspects of the game.

The guardian was "balanced’ a year and a half ago. But not anymore. The fact is that the playstyle has devolved around 2 main builds, that is being the AH and the PVE meta one.

EVERY SINGLE CLASS, after this update got fixes and new/updated traits which have given them more options than before.
Not only guardians didn’t get any of this, but we got NERFED both directly (vigor nerf) and indirectly (everyone else getting new kitten)

Take out Wall of reflection and Shield of the avenger and I guarantee you NO ONE WILL BE BRINGING guardians in PVE. its sad when the usefulness of the class falls into these 2 simple abilities. Right now, the difference between a scepter autoattack guardian, and a competent weapon swapping one is not very noticeable as long as both bring these 2 aforementioned skills to the table.

This was a major feature/balance patch, and as such its gonna be a while before we see another one. I got one refuse to touch my guardian any more until some of these issues are either addressed, or a dev take 2 min of their life and tell us why nothing has been done to the large # of worthless traits and skills currently plaguing the guardian class

Sorry, but I just cannot take you seriously when you keep forcing your personal opinion on me and the rest of the community as if it s a fact.

I mean, for one, your doing a whole lot of complaining, yet you fail to mention what the problem is that guardians are broken that they need fixed.

By the way, my guardian does many PvE events and dungeons with out Wall of Reflection or Shield of the avenger on my build. Heck, I almost never use those except in rare situations in which they are the optimal skill to use in the 2 dungeons an some of the fractals. So I call shenanigans on your anecdotal “guarantee”.

I made a comment about these issues in the Guardian forums in another topic. The fact of the matter is, Hunter you are absolutely correct. And it’s players like Dancing Monkey that keep us stagnant. Players like him perpetuate the ill conceived notion that guardians “are in a good place.” No, bunker guardians are in a good place. And even that position is being threatened by Engis and Warriors.

Med guardians are mediocre at best, and one must be a kitten ninja master in order to excel at it compared to other professions. Additionally, are new traits are kitten. If you don’t believe me, just head on over to the Guardian forums. There are plenty of grievances. A 300 Vit Master trait in the Honor line? When does a med guardian go all the way into the Honor line. A Master trait that increases condition damage, when we have only one viable condition? Really? Aegis to those around you, but not yourself? Come on.

And on top of that spirit weapons and signets are garbage. Not to mention every single utility has to be a condi cleanse in the current meta. Sure would be nice to take advantage of some of these other utilities (granted all professions have this dilemma).

Hunter, please do not be fooled nor trolled. Us real guardians feel your pain.

My guardian is in a good place. I must not be a real guardian.

And you sir are the reason we remain stagnant…..Thanks!

You’re welcome!

Why do some of you attack anyone does doesn’t complain about the things you have a problem with?

Maybe the reason they feel stagnate is because your a band wagoner who doesn’t have the originality to build something beyond the meta? Maybe not, I dunno. One thing I do not understand, is how someone can claim a profession only has two builds, just because those are the two popular “meta” builds. Think out side the box, and perhaps it will not feel stagnate.

dancingmonkey, please do not be fooled nor trolled. Us fake guardians feel your pain.

I must say that the vigour nerf was a huge kick up the backside, espec when combined with the boon duration nerf, which made the vigour possible to begin with :S so yeah double nerf double kick whilst we’re down. No rallying here. To regain a respectable amount of boon duration I’ve had to swap around a lot of sigils, run AC 9 times in a day to discover that monk runes weren’t what I thought they were, rerole to water, swap to swowflake + platinum and lose a tonne of damage and other stats from that particular trinket. Only to find that I’m still lacking in general. Please think these things through or play the game before you make changes :S

Vigour uptime is one of the things that makes the class flow for me, espec. in small scale, balancing your movement and dodges with elusive power, using leaps and tele to keep agile. And before anyone starts crying ‘spamming dodge isn’t skill/mobile play’, please take your ignorance elsewhere, it’s too easy to look at someone and say ’he’s just spamming stuns’, ’he’s just spamming backstab’, ’he’s just hiding behind his OP bear plz nerf’.

#howbearinthewater

dancingmonkey.4902:

Why do some of you attack anyone does doesn’t complain about the things you have a problem with?

Maybe the reason they feel stagnate is because your a band wagoner who doesn’t have the originality to build something beyond the meta? Maybe not, I dunno. One thing I do not understand, is how someone can claim a profession only has two builds, just because those are the two popular “meta” builds. Think out side the box, and perhaps it will not feel stagnate.

Meta builds are considered meta for a reason, they work. So you can run a spirit weapon build in a dungeon and feel “unique” or cool for 5 min before getting kicked or realizing how pathetically broken and worthless it is and changing back to a real build.

Heal way 0/0/10/30/30 (for the ignorant flooding this post) was our third build which was nerfed both due to vigor uptime nerf and boon duration nerf. This build, is now completely and utterly destroyed.

So yes, dear monkey, I am going to whine and complain when my one and only class I play (2200h on my guardian fyi) is getting butchered patch after patch, traitlines and specs getting destroyed one by one while other classes are getting new and useful traits as well as fixes to current ones. So stop for a sec and think why the entire guardian community is up in arms about this. And no, simply having an 80 guardian parked in Divinity Reach which you log into once in a blue moon dues not really qualify you to give balance suggestions, stick to topics concerning you main please.

Hunter.4783:

dancingmonkey.4902:

Why do some of you attack anyone does doesn’t complain about the things you have a problem with?

Maybe the reason they feel stagnate is because your a band wagoner who doesn’t have the originality to build something beyond the meta? Maybe not, I dunno. One thing I do not understand, is how someone can claim a profession only has two builds, just because those are the two popular “meta” builds. Think out side the box, and perhaps it will not feel stagnate.

Heal way 0/0/10/30/30 (for the ignorant flooding this post) was our third build which was nerfed both due to vigor uptime nerf and boon duration nerf. This build, is now completely and utterly destroyed.

I’m rocking 0/2/0/6/6 300 Healing Power guardian in WvW. Same setup from before except additional sigils after the patch. I don’t feel I got nerfed. Sure Vigor up time got cut, but so did overall attack from enemies.

dancingmonkey.4902:

I mean, for one, your doing a whole lot of complaining, yet you fail to mention what the problem is that guardians are broken that they need fixed.

Build variety is broken.

xFireize.6318:

Hunter.4783:

dancingmonkey.4902:

Why do some of you attack anyone does doesn’t complain about the things you have a problem with?

Maybe the reason they feel stagnate is because your a band wagoner who doesn’t have the originality to build something beyond the meta? Maybe not, I dunno. One thing I do not understand, is how someone can claim a profession only has two builds, just because those are the two popular “meta” builds. Think out side the box, and perhaps it will not feel stagnate.

Heal way 0/0/10/30/30 (for the ignorant flooding this post) was our third build which was nerfed both due to vigor uptime nerf and boon duration nerf. This build, is now completely and utterly destroyed.

I’m rocking 0/2/0/6/6 300 Healing Power guardian in WvW. Same setup from before except additional sigils after the patch. I don’t feel I got nerfed. Sure Vigor up time got cut, but so did overall attack from enemies.

300….that’s it?…. Honor itself gives you 300 healing power which im sure you don’t know. You are rolling together in wvw with a zerg in which case build and gear don’t really matter. You can roll naked in a zerg and still think you are “balanced” or in a good spot. Is this your way to tell me guardians are fine. Please stop posting before you embarrass yourself further.

Saddly enough your kind is what has been holding the guardian back for such a long time. You get a build off the internet, revolving AH, using empower in the middle of the zerg, getting back half your life and thinking oh kitten that’s cool. You have most likely never made it past lvl 30 fractal on your guardian yet here you are telling me the class is fine.

This is ridiculous.

Hunter.4783:

xFireize.6318:

Hunter.4783:

dancingmonkey.4902:

Why do some of you attack anyone does doesn’t complain about the things you have a problem with?

Maybe the reason they feel stagnate is because your a band wagoner who doesn’t have the originality to build something beyond the meta? Maybe not, I dunno. One thing I do not understand, is how someone can claim a profession only has two builds, just because those are the two popular “meta” builds. Think out side the box, and perhaps it will not feel stagnate.

Heal way 0/0/10/30/30 (for the ignorant flooding this post) was our third build which was nerfed both due to vigor uptime nerf and boon duration nerf. This build, is now completely and utterly destroyed.

I’m rocking 0/2/0/6/6 300 Healing Power guardian in WvW. Same setup from before except additional sigils after the patch. I don’t feel I got nerfed. Sure Vigor up time got cut, but so did overall attack from enemies.

300….that’s it?…. Honor itself gives you 300 healing power which im sure you don’t know. You are rolling together in wvw with a zerg in which case build and gear don’t really matter. You can roll naked in a zerg and still think you are “balanced” or in a good spot. Is this your way to tell me guardians are fine. Please stop posting before you embarrass yourself further.

Saddly enough your kind is what has been holding the guardian back for such a long time. You get a build off the internet, revolving AH, using empower in the middle of the zerg, getting back half your life and thinking oh kitten that’s cool. You have most likely never made it past lvl 30 fractal on your guardian yet here you are telling me the class is fine.

This is ridiculous.

Yeah 300, and it straight comes from traits. What do you mean I don’t know? 300 + 0 = 300, you don’t know simple basic math? I don’t run healway, its DPS is weak. You thought I was running healway? It seems you’ve pigeon-holed yourself to 3 builds (and now 2 according to you). You did that to yourself yet you blame Anet. Did you get those 3 builds from the Internet? Oh irony.

Please stop posting before you embarrass yourself further

And no I don’t run with zerg. I roam with a small party. For zerging, I use 0/3/6/4/1 with AH. It’s fun to swim in an enemy zerg.

So you are running AH and Healway which might as wall be called Nerfed Way now.

I don’t see condi or spirit weapons in there anyways, I don’t see 30 in zeal either. Where is this huge innovation you are talking about

Stop derailing the thread

Right.. I use AH with my 0/2/0/6/6.
Right.. I use Healway with 300 healing power.

You complained that healway was utterly destroyed. I was just replying to your comment about it. Nice try blaming me derailing your thread. It’s cute.

Please stop posting before you embarrass yourself further.

xFireize, every build you mention is a support build. No one is complaining about guardian’s support. Yes, we are buff bots, in WvW and Spvp. But that’s about it. Everyone knows guardians excel with others, but what about 1 v 1, i.e. med dps. Like you said, you have to play near perfectly in order to compete in a med spec. I wouldn’t mind if the other professions were like this too, but they are not. And we are at a major disadvantage.

Sauncho.8076:

xFireize, every build you mention is a support build. No one is complaining about guardian’s support. Yes, we are buff bots, in WvW and Spvp. But that’s about it. Everyone knows guardians excel with others, but what about 1 v 1, i.e. med dps. Like you said, you have to play near perfectly in order to compete in a med spec. I wouldn’t mind if the other professions were like this too, but they are not. And we are at a major disadvantage.

Yes my build is condition removal support — I really hate conditions. I’m not a fan of DPS guardian (I never said I was) and really would like to use Spirit Weapons viable against zerg. I use the foefire weapons. They look cool combined with SWs! I use SWs occasionally for 1vs1 .

Like I mentioned above, I was just commenting Hunter on how he exaggerated the nerf to vigor and boon duration.

xFireize.6318:

Sauncho.8076:

xFireize, every build you mention is a support build. No one is complaining about guardian’s support. Yes, we are buff bots, in WvW and Spvp. But that’s about it. Everyone knows guardians excel with others, but what about 1 v 1, i.e. med dps. Like you said, you have to play near perfectly in order to compete in a med spec. I wouldn’t mind if the other professions were like this too, but they are not. And we are at a major disadvantage.

Yes my build is condition removal support — I really hate conditions. I’m not a fan of DPS guardian (I never said I was) and really would like to use Spirit Weapons viable against zerg. I use the foefire weapons. They look cool combined with SWs! I use SWs occasionally for 1vs1 .

Like I mentioned above, I was just commenting Hunter on how he exaggerated the nerf to vigor and boon duration.

Hunter was complaining about build viability in general which in partial was due to the many nerfs.

You countered it by mentioning you use AH and a variation of healway which is 30 honor 30 virtue, so nothing ground breaking here.

Again, why are you still posting? All you are doing is reinforcing the idea the guardian is a buff/utility bot with no other viable specs.

xFireize.6318:

would like to use Spirit Weapons viable against zerg.

So would everyone, chump, but guess what, they are trash, so are condi builds, which you also don’t run.

They’re the perfect example of a balanced class.
They aren’t underpowered in any sense, can effectively spec for whatever they want (except conditions but honestly condi guard would be weird anyway), have clear telegraphs, and make acceptable but notable sacrifices in order to specialize.
The only reason they don’t excel in certain roles (like burst DPS) is that the classes in those roles are so perfectly fitted to them that competing with them for it is unthinkable (as in, a thief makes a far better burst DPSer because stealth and unlimited teleports as well as huge low-telegraph spike skills is every GC’s wet dream).

Hunter.4783:

xFireize.6318:

Sauncho.8076:

xFireize, every build you mention is a support build. No one is complaining about guardian’s support. Yes, we are buff bots, in WvW and Spvp. But that’s about it. Everyone knows guardians excel with others, but what about 1 v 1, i.e. med dps. Like you said, you have to play near perfectly in order to compete in a med spec. I wouldn’t mind if the other professions were like this too, but they are not. And we are at a major disadvantage.

Yes my build is condition removal support — I really hate conditions. I’m not a fan of DPS guardian (I never said I was) and really would like to use Spirit Weapons viable against zerg. I use the foefire weapons. They look cool combined with SWs! I use SWs occasionally for 1vs1 .

Like I mentioned above, I was just commenting Hunter on how he exaggerated the nerf to vigor and boon duration.

Hunter was complaining about build viability in general which in partial was due to the many nerfs.

You countered it by mentioning you use AH and a variation of healway which is 30 honor 30 virtue, so nothing ground breaking here.

Again, why are you still posting? All you are doing is reinforcing the idea the guardian is a buff/utility bot with no other viable specs.

Huh, when did I say my “nerfed way” was ground breaking? You thought healway was completely destroyed, so I was just saying my “nerfed way” is not destroyed at all.

I never tried to prove full DPS or conditions are great. Like you said, I don’t run them so I won’t say anything about them.

Even though SWs could use some improvements, they are still viable against non AoE 1vs1. So I don’t think they are trash. Again, your points are very exaggerated.

It’s not something new. I’ve been using my signature forever because there are sooo many guardians exaggerate the problems that we have.

Didn’t you say you’re gonna play warrior? Good for you!
I feel sorry seeing guardians forcing and struggling themselves to something they are not. It’s really different from giving a constructive feedback.

Please stop posting before you embarrass yourself further.

Hunter.4783:

You are rolling together in wvw with a zerg in which case build and gear don’t really matter.

Get out of your bubble and actually play some organised WvW. Don’t pretend you know what you’re talking about without actually trying it.

Hunter.4783:

This patch brought NOTHING to guardians but a heavy nerf (vigor).

All the GM traits are trash…even worse so.

A passive GRANDMASTER trait that gives 3k health in the hopes to fix the huge HP disparity with warriors? Boring and will never get picked over Pure of Voice.

Communal defenses sounded cool until we found out it didn’t give back aegis to the guardian AND had a 20 sec internal cooldown.

Virtues trait tries to balance the nerf to Vigor but fails because traits X and IX will ALWAYS be better. if I even went 30 points in virtues I would sure as hell pick IX and X, never this new trait.

And now, the best for last…the zeal and radiance traits…

What can I say, I thought they were a joke at the start, but lo and behold, they were not. Funny thing is that we already have another grandmaster trait in zeal which also buffs burn damage, so I wonder, why have 2 traits only the same trait line which pretty much do the same thing? Are the devs braindead when it comes to guardians? Do none of the QA ever play guardians? Was this trait a mistake?

Radiant retaliation….equally as bad as the zeal trait… Anet hopes to push guardians towards a condi heavy build while giving the class no means to apply any other cover condies nor have a reliable ranged way to spam conditions ala necro, thief, warrior, etc.
Again, this trait is an absolute joke.

Why is the community ignored when it comes to this class? Guardian is now the most boring and 1 dimentional class in the game and everyday guardian veterans and switching over to warriors.

Why are our spirit weapons STILL broken to this day? Why are half our signets worthless?

While some of what you say has truth to it, most of what you are saying is mere bickering. On patch day I came to a startling conclusion: Its not the guardian class that has become stagnate, its the people who play them that have.

Most guardian players are hog tied to certain ideas of what they feel guardian is and what it can do in most game play modes. The result is that innovation is choked since the vast majority of the guardian community does not take the time to sit down to try to experiment and draw their own conclusions. Instead, they need to wait for someone to lead them into trying different builds. When it takes one individual to make videos and threads of possible builds to even get most of the community to try something new, you know there is a problem.

With this patch, most guardian players shot down the new traits before even giving them a try. Why? Because in reality they do not want new things, they are fine with what they have. They only want things that confirm what they personally feel the class is. So if something new is presented and it does not fit their ideal of what guardian should have, they will reject it.

The class feels rigid and non innovative because most of the players are. This will continue as long as guardian players remain fixated on what they deem “viable builds”.

I’m all after giving more variety to guardians, but with a cost of superior support ability. Currently, even if group or zerg would need some support, healing or tank with tons of utility like reflections, why would they something else than a guardia
?Bt Guardians surely needs some love when it comes to variety

Aza.2105:

Hunter.4783:

This patch brought NOTHING to guardians but a heavy nerf (vigor).

All the GM traits are trash…even worse so.

A passive GRANDMASTER trait that gives 3k health in the hopes to fix the huge HP disparity with warriors? Boring and will never get picked over Pure of Voice.

Communal defenses sounded cool until we found out it didn’t give back aegis to the guardian AND had a 20 sec internal cooldown.

Virtues trait tries to balance the nerf to Vigor but fails because traits X and IX will ALWAYS be better. if I even went 30 points in virtues I would sure as hell pick IX and X, never this new trait.

And now, the best for last…the zeal and radiance traits…

What can I say, I thought they were a joke at the start, but lo and behold, they were not. Funny thing is that we already have another grandmaster trait in zeal which also buffs burn damage, so I wonder, why have 2 traits only the same trait line which pretty much do the same thing? Are the devs braindead when it comes to guardians? Do none of the QA ever play guardians? Was this trait a mistake?

Radiant retaliation….equally as bad as the zeal trait… Anet hopes to push guardians towards a condi heavy build while giving the class no means to apply any other cover condies nor have a reliable ranged way to spam conditions ala necro, thief, warrior, etc.
Again, this trait is an absolute joke.

Why is the community ignored when it comes to this class? Guardian is now the most boring and 1 dimentional class in the game and everyday guardian veterans and switching over to warriors.

Why are our spirit weapons STILL broken to this day? Why are half our signets worthless?

While some of what you say has truth to it, most of what you are saying is mere bickering. On patch day I came to a startling conclusion: Its not the guardian class that has become stagnate, its the people who play them that have.

Most guardian players are hog tied to certain ideas of what they feel guardian is and what it can do in most game play modes. The result is that innovation is choked since the vast majority of the guardian community does not take the time to sit down to try to experiment and draw their own conclusions. Instead, they need to wait for someone to lead them into trying different builds. When it takes one individual to make videos and threads of possible builds to even get most of the community to try something new, you know there is a problem.

With this patch, most guardian players shot down the new traits before even giving them a try. Why? Because in reality they do not want new things, they are fine with what they have. They only want things that confirm what they personally feel the class is. So if something new is presented and it does not fit their ideal of what guardian should have, they will reject it.

The class feels rigid and non innovative because most of the players are. This will continue as long as guardian players remain fixated on what they deem “viable builds”.

have you TRIED the new traits? Have you compared them to the previous ones we had? There is no contest between the old and the new. The new GM traits they added are completely worthless.
On top of that we have the already broken current mechanics, like spirit weapons and condie.

SO now dear sir, tell me how the guardians can enjoy more variety when half of our skills and traits are worthless? You can try spirit weapons for 5 min before you realize how subpar they are to everything else.

Rym.1469:

I’m all after giving more variety to guardians, but with a cost of superior support ability. Currently, even if group or zerg would need some support, healing or tank with tons of utility like reflections, why would they something else than a guardia
?Bt Guardians surely needs some love when it comes to variety

I think that having the option to sacrifice some of that support viability to have more build freedom is exactly what the class needs.