Guild Wars 2

I have looked but couldn’t find anything, can someone tell me the number of stacks of Bleeding from the 4/6 and the Bleeding and Torment stacks from the 6/6? I am thinking it is just one stack but i would like to be wrong, because if that is true, that is rather terrible.

It’s 1 for 4/6 and 1 stack of each for 6/6

oZii.2864:

It’s 1 for 4/6 and 1 stack of each for 6/6

Thanks, that is seriously poor. I mean really, they should be buffing the weaker Condition runesets to make it a real decision to pick which one to use, currently Perplexity just out does EVERY other condition runeset by a LONG way :/

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

oZii.2864:

It’s 1 for 4/6 and 1 stack of each for 6/6

Thanks, that is seriously poor. I mean really, they should be buffing the weaker Condition runesets to make it a real decision to pick which one to use, currently Perplexity just out does EVERY other condition runeset by a LONG way :/

Lol. You don’t take this rune for the proc effects. You take it for the bleed duration. Makes it super easy to get 100% duration on your bleeds, which rocks for thieves, necros, and warriors. So no, perplexity isn’t the best condi rune set, not even by a long shot.

Carpboy.7145:

Lol. You don’t take this rune for the proc effects. You take it for the bleed duration. Makes it super easy to get 100% duration on your bleeds, which rocks for thieves, necros, and warriors. So no, perplexity isn’t the best condi rune set, not even by a long shot.

You think 100% Bleed duration is better than Confusion that can tick for 2k damage per a strike even on classes that have very little/no access to Confusion through the actual class.

A Warrior doesn’t need the runes. They can EASILY get 100% Bleed duration thanks to +40% food and +50% Bleeding Duration trait that is 90% Bleeding duration increase alone.

For pure damage, Perplexity is better than every other Condition Runeset. I mean look at the 4/6 of each. One applies ONE stack of Bleeding and the other applies THREE stacks of Confusion – which do you think is going to be the bigger threat? Even with double the duration the damage can’t even compare.

The ONLY “downside” is if the player stops attacking, but lets be honest how many players stop attacking for its duration? Even if they do, that is great as well you can continue to attack and while they are trying to kite while waiting for it to be removed.

Krait works on some builds more than others when compared to perplexity. Sure confusion hurts but if you can’t cover it up and have some other heavy DoT to put out it’s meaningless. Between the heavy bleed duration increase and dropping a bunch of conditions off with your elite (thief has 1 every 45 seconds btw) you can swarm them with DoT plus it’s AoE.

Carpboy.7145:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

oZii.2864:

It’s 1 for 4/6 and 1 stack of each for 6/6

Thanks, that is seriously poor. I mean really, they should be buffing the weaker Condition runesets to make it a real decision to pick which one to use, currently Perplexity just out does EVERY other condition runeset by a LONG way :/

Lol. You don’t take this rune for the proc effects. You take it for the bleed duration. Makes it super easy to get 100% duration on your bleeds, which rocks for thieves, necros, and warriors. So no, perplexity isn’t the best condi rune set, not even by a long shot.

Now that depends on the class for eg perplex is still better on engi who naturally has lots of access to confusion among other condi and cc to really maximixe the benifit of the 6th bonus. Tbh perplex is still stronger than most other condi runes majority of the time.

vincecontix.1264:

Now that depends on the class for eg perplex is still better on engi who naturally has lots of access to confusion among other condi and cc to really maximixe the benifit of the 6th bonus. Tbh perplex is still stronger than most other condi runes majority of the time.

My build has NO Confusion access in the class itself but still Perplexity is SO much better than all the other condition rune sets, which is sad but knowing Anet rather than making the others competitive they will just nerf these until they are all equally terrible :/

Krait is better for bleed centric builds because the +bleed duration with the poison and torment as cover conditions happen to dovetail well.

Unfortunately the trigger condition on Perplexity is silly easy to spam on more than a couple builds making the set way more powerful in practice than it probably was intended to be. Multiple things count as an interrupt.

Overkillengine.6084:

Krait is better for bleed centric builds because the +bleed duration with the poison and torment as cover conditions happen to dovetail well.

Unfortunately the trigger condition on Perplexity is silly easy to spam on more than a couple builds making the set way more powerful in practice than it probably was intended to be. Multiple things count as an interrupt.

I’ve seen this before mentioned but spamming interrupts for the 6/6 is greatly counter productive. Say on engi you can shield 4 + shield 5, flame thrower 3 and for your efforts you received 5 stacks of confusion and all those skills on cooldown. Now your without 3 interrupts 2 of which are on long 30 and 40 sec. CD’s.

Not disagreeing with your assessment that perplexity still is the strongest condition rune I agree. To be fair though if you have no confusion on your enemy scavenging and undead are out dpsing perplexity until confusion is applied again.

Overkillengine.6084:

Krait is better for bleed centric builds because the +bleed duration with the poison and torment as cover conditions happen to dovetail well.

Unfortunately the trigger condition on Perplexity is silly easy to spam on more than a couple builds making the set way more powerful in practice than it probably was intended to be. Multiple things count as an interrupt.

I think the bigger problem, isn’t so much that Perplexity is so strong it is that all the other options are just too weak. Take Torment for example, no 4/6 chance on hit and the 6/6 is TWO stacks on heal…when you want to be healing AWAY from enemies for most of them.

Krait is another one, ONE stack of bleeding every 15 seconds, oh that is SO good. Not. The Elite part needs to be buffed. Increase the stacks of both the Bleeding and the Torment and increase the cool down to like 90-120 seconds or something to balance it out.

Rune of Orr is another interesting option, though i don’t really like the 6/6 myself. The cool down is too high and would prefer if it was on Elite/Skill use rather than having to take so much damage you drop to 20% health

oZii.2864:

I’ve seen this before mentioned but spamming interrupts for the 6/6 is greatly counter productive. Say on engi you can shield 4 + shield 5, flame thrower 3 and for your efforts you received 5 stacks of confusion and all those skills on cooldown. Now your without 3 interrupts 2 of which are on long 30 and 40 sec. CD’s.

Totally agree, it is okay for say a Warrior who cna just bash Hammer skills like their is no tomorrow but several classes (Ele in particular) not only have a limited number of Interrupts they also might have Insane cool downs (ele has both!) So spamming Interrupts is more dangerous to yourself than it is to the enemy.

As was already said, unlike perplexity you don’t take krait for the 6/6. You take krait for the bleed duration. These are actually useful to warriors. Warriors have no acces to poison other than runes/sigils so the proc is actually somewhat helpful, especially with a low CD elite like SoR. Sure you can already get 90% with food and a trait. But what if you don’t wanna use the food? Then you can use krait and have 95% bleed duration, as well as a nice food like lemongrass or something. And in spvp you can’t use food so its awesome there. Perplexity was also nerfed again so the #6 is on a 15sec ICD. That means youll only have 5(8 if they hit you) stacks of confusion at all times. That nowhere near makes this the automatic best condition rune especially if you have little to no interrupts on your build (a lot of the standard condi builds dont). Even engis with a good crit chance, earth sigil/sharpshooter/shrapnel and nades can make very good use out of krait runes. It just depends what you’re going for

oZii.2864:

Overkillengine.6084:

Krait is better for bleed centric builds because the +bleed duration with the poison and torment as cover conditions happen to dovetail well.

Unfortunately the trigger condition on Perplexity is silly easy to spam on more than a couple builds making the set way more powerful in practice than it probably was intended to be. Multiple things count as an interrupt.

I’ve seen this before mentioned but spamming interrupts for the 6/6 is greatly counter productive. Say on engi you can shield 4 + shield 5, flame thrower 3 and for your efforts you received 5 stacks of confusion and all those skills on cooldown. Now your without 3 interrupts 2 of which are on long 30 and 40 sec. CD’s.

Not disagreeing with your assessment that perplexity still is the strongest condition rune I agree. To be fair though if you have no confusion on your enemy scavenging and undead are out dpsing perplexity until confusion is applied again.

Engineer wasn’t one of the ones I was thinking about actually. I was referring to ones that have mainly easy to obtain resource bound interrupts with cooldowns that are either non existent or far lower than the cooldown on the Perplexity 6 piece.

Those builds can (spam) force your opponent to run out of dodges or immunities, and you will be ready to repeat that again once the rune ICD is done. The enemy will often have gotten only enough endurance back for one dodge at that time. (If the 6 piece ICD was 20 seconds this would be a different story, or if more classes had access to baseline at least one evasion every 10 seconds)

The builds/classes I am alluding to also have access to immunities or stealth which on top of better interrupt availability makes the runeset far nastier on them for the unprepared.

If they just limited it to one type of cc trigger instead of all interrupts that would cut out a lot of the shenanigans.