Guild Wars 2

Clearly if Longbow for rangers is seeing a nerf because of its prominence, perhaps you want to follow that twisted logic down to Greatswords, which have dominated many of the game’s formats for, oh, I don’t know, 2 years already.

Should probably nerf necro dagger too too much deeps

What is wrong with GS? I used it and LB all day on Ranger. Go troll an unpopular weapon like torch.

NeXeD.3042:

Should probably nerf necro dagger too too much deeps

I know right, it now hits TWO targets, mind blown like how can a 5 target cleave from Greatsword for 20k even compare.

Finally someone is beginning to understand me

LB isn’t being Nurfed , rewatch the ready up .

all they said was Its nice too see that Lb’s are being used by many rangers, ignoring all the troll/fun they had while doing the ready up.

who ever wrote that Review of the Ready up Twisted the words not anet or Poorly worded it as too many lbs .

how people are relating that sentence with Nurfs ! it gives no grounds for it, so what there were too many Lb users to start with , now they are putting a animation on PBS some or many of the Band wagoners will go back to there mains or Try somthing different after they get Owned a few times.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

LB isn’t being Nurfed , rewatch the ready up .

all they said was Its nice too see that Lb’s are being used by many rangers, ignoring all the troll/fun they had while doing the ready up.

who ever wrote that Review of the Ready up Twisted the words not anet or Poorly worded it as too many lbs .

how people are relating that sentence with Nurfs ! it gives no grounds for it, so what there were too many Lb users to start with , now they are putting a animation on PBS some or many of the Band wagoners will go back to there mains or Try somthing different after they get Owned a few times.

Why would it even need an animation? The longbow has no other defense. It has no snare, no other gap opener. With all the chanrges and teleports classes have, that knockback was key to LB ranger survival.

The Ranger survival toolkit is so bad, that most rangers simply stack 2.4k+ toughness on BM condition builds with evades just to survive.

I repeat, power rangers have no survival tools. You got a signet of stone immunity on a 60 sec cd, and that’s it. All the ranger stunbreaks are on hideously long cooldowns, they have no real condi removal options besides a 30 point Wilderness Survival trait. No blinds, no evade spam like sword thief, no teleports, no high access to protection of lots of cc like warrior hammer or condition immunity stances like warrior.

LB rangers are essentially pure glass cannons, with even less defensive/escape tools than a staff elementalist. If you nerf their one defensive skill with an easy to dodge animation (like, Maul, which never hits anything and if it does it doesn’t even hurt), you are going to put rangers again hiding behind a zerg to do anything with a longbow and take them out of skirmishes.

Where in the world you see warrior use great sword in PvP.

Zenith.7301:

Why would it even need an animation? The longbow has no other defense.

Because actively react to skills is a good thing. without a clear animation, it’s all about RNG dodges and pray your RNG god, no skill involved.

You know the reason why they added an animation to Pin Down, same reason, it had no animation, people just guess and pray the RnG god when warrior will use them, which is complete BS. once they eat pin down they will eat a whole combo of hammer CCs, hammer CCs are easy to dodge, but not when you are pinned down, thats one of the reasons why hambow was so strong, pin down had no counterplay.

on top of that, if aoe cripple and stealth are not defenses, idk what they are. tho sure, power ranger is not strong tq wise, just like every glass canon build except thief and mesmer.
but having a animation to an important skill and being able to counter play is good for PvP. because logic, if you know.

The animation change sounds like a good first step for balancing. It’s very similar to what they did with Pin Down. Right now, you can’t really know when PBS is coming. This just means that you’ll have to be a bit more clever then just using 4 -> 2 on CD.

As for War GS, really? The new burst wasn’t buffed that much, in fact it’s kind of rubbish considering the damage nerfs that the other skills received because of it. Rush still connects maybe 1/10 times if you’re lucky. Same applies to Bull’s Charge which means 100b is harder to use. I don’t really see it used at all in PvP these days and it’s mostly used for mobility in WvW.

Guard GS has massive tells that generally involve spinning to win. It has a great combo when timed well but if you miss it gl spamming your AA until you can swap sets again. Complaining about this weapon is silly.

Ranger LB is not being changed because it’s too frequently used, it’s being changed so that your foe has a chance to react to it. It’s a good way to “nerf” a skill without actually nerfing the effect it causes. Good Rangers will still do well, bad ones will blow their PBS and get crushed, as it should be. Why it OK with it happens to Warriors but not when it happens to Rangers?

The problem here is not that point blank shot was hard to tell apart from any other shot (how long did it take for them to adjust skull crack for asura?) it is the way that all the negative attention from the forum correlate with an adjustment for ranger.

How would the warriors feel if they attempt to add more counterplay to healing signet due to the fact there are numerous post about it and a general dislike of passive play in general for certain modes of the game (that while not being the entirety of the game get most of the balance focus).

Zenith.7301:

Clearly if Longbow for rangers is seeing a nerf because of its prominence, perhaps you want to follow that twisted logic down to Greatswords, which have dominated many of the game’s formats for, oh, I don’t know, 2 years already.

Wonderful, then by your logic, Ranger GS will be nerf’d too… as that’s pretty standard for Lb / Gs Rangers.

Could you please run over to Hazmat and get me a canister of ID10T? Thank you.

I think too many people use a weapon instead of a stick. Nerf.

Hello? warrior GS damage has been nerfed a few times already for no reason?

including the latest patch.

Zenith.7301:

Clearly if Longbow for rangers is seeing a nerf because of its prominence, perhaps you want to follow that twisted logic down to Greatswords, which have dominated many of the game’s formats for, oh, I don’t know, 2 years already.

Funny stuff. You must have missed the GS nerf warriors got in the feature patch.
Or the fact that warrior GS skill #5 has been permanerfed since the game was launched since it doesn’t even work.

The longbow was just overbuffed. It has nothing to do with other classes.

Also – enjoy your telegraphed skill – people seemed to enjoy them a lot when only warrior had them.

Edit: Please stop insulting other players.

I feel sorry for OP. Most of the people in here including the person above me have completely missed the point of this thread.

Looks like I’ll have to be the one to spell it out for those people (glock did already but I guess that still didn’t help).

OP isn’t actually suggesting we nerf greatswords. He’s pointing out the fact that it’s illogical to suggest (which many people have been in the profession balance forum) that we should nerf longbow just because there are far more players using them now. Just because it has entered the meta (see Guardian and Warrior use of the greatsword) doesn’t mean it’s overpowered.

@Harper – the longbow wasn’t overbuffed at all. There are several threads on the Ranger forums (see nagymbear’s post as an example), and responses to QQ threads on this forum explaining why QQers are wrong. Also, the devs agree that it wasn’t overbuffed so deal with it.

they’re adding a tell they’re not nerfing it.
they’re just making the knockback look different than an auto attack.

OP also failed to realize that GS Warrior is not meta, and until Rush and Bull works properly it will never be

Bryzy.2719:

I feel sorry for OP. Most of the people in here including the person above me have completely missed the point of this thread.

Looks like I’ll have to be the one to spell it out for those people (glock did already but I guess that still didn’t help).

OP isn’t actually suggesting we nerf greatswords. He’s pointing out the fact that it’s illogical to suggest (which many people have been in the profession balance forum) that we should nerf longbow just because there are far more players using them now. Just because it has entered the meta (see Guardian and Warrior use of the greatsword) doesn’t mean it’s overpowered.

@Harper – the longbow wasn’t overbuffed at all. There are several threads on the Ranger forums (see nagymbear’s post as an example), and responses to QQ threads on this forum explaining why QQers are wrong. Also, the devs agree that it wasn’t overbuffed so deal with it.

I am dealing with it. I’m going to deal with it for the next 6 months until driven by metrics and QQ the ranger class is nerfed into the ground again. Sort of like what happened to warrior with the september patch.

Also – one ranger player saying " Longbow isn’t OP at all" isn’t going to make much of a difference – the community has already tagged it as OP.

Enjoy the QQ and subsequent nerf.

This is kind of a pathetic thread. They’re adding a tell to create a counter play to a CC, pretty common concept. I’m pretty sure the “too many rangers are using longbows” comment was to make a joke, not the reason for the change. There is clear logic in the change and it fits with the game play they have developed. No more pointblank shot → rapid fire to exploit someone’s lack of stunbreak/stability at the time. You can still do it, but they have a chance to counter it without just taking the hit and reacting to that. Same reason most CCs have a pretty decent animation preceding it.

Other than that one ability the longbow is fine, really potent but you have many answers for it. Double dodge the rapid fire, dodge and block, heck just toss some blocks, or… projectile defense/reflect. Still going to be a potent weapon, simply will be able to react to the animation of the CC instead of having to just take it and react to the knockdown. Again, they’ve done it in every other CC I can think of, why not this one?