Guild Wars 2

Thief utilities are WAY to viable to replace with venoms, stealths, condi removal, break stun, regen vigor, etc…

A couple big problems with venoms are: Long CD’s and Limit use.

A suggestion, Make them time limit no use and just 1 condi per.
Also make them either Condi or straight dps not both.

Spider Venom: 45sec CD, last 30sec: Applies Poison for 3sec once every 5sec
Skale Venom: kitten CD, last 30sc: Applies Vulnerability for 3sec once every 5sec
Basilisk Venom: 60sc CD, last 20sec: Every 4th hit Dazes for 1/2 sec.

Traits can Lower CD’s of the casting of the skill.
Venom Share can give players a hit when you proc the hits, like press the Virtue of Justice.

Venoms — Any time a Thief applies poison they have a 100% chance to apply their equipped venom as well. Each with their own respective internal cooldown for balance sake.

Basilisk Venom would then be changed to ‘stance of the basalisk’.

Stance of the Basilisk — Perform a quick punch to your opponents temples stunning them for X seconds. Attacking from stealth will hit the opponent twice and apply 2x the stun duration.

not true I use venom thief in WvW and if you know how to trait it right its almost unbeatable 1v1. I have killed so many people with that build. Its almost crazy good. Only down side to it is no speed buff on movement and no stealth only 1 way to stealth but who needs that when your target just drops down. Oh and everything is recharged in 36 seconds.

Ankas.9023:

not true I use venom thief in WvW and if you know how to trait it right its almost unbeatable 1v1. I have killed so many people with that build. Its almost crazy good. Only down side to it is no speed buff on movement and no stealth only 1 way to stealth but who needs that when your target just drops down. Oh and everything is recharged in 36 seconds.

And there are Condi guardians naked (no gear) doing 1v1’s in wvw too saying its op.

Just b.c you can beat some ppl sometimes doesnt mean its good. Its a terrible system and needs some tweaking.

Venon Share is OP in small groups / 1v1 with thief guild. Venons are already too good for suporting dps / immo targets.

They are not bad, they just really limit you, you really need to spec heavy for them, at which point you need to take more then 2 to make the investment worth it, which leaves little room for other defences, It would be so bad if one of them was a stun breaker, but that feels really awkward even if most are instant cast.
If they played more into the thief’s defensive play style or offered some form of condi removal, they would feel better to take.

I thought of this idea, be kinda cool

New trait: when you have a venom applied, avoid the next incoming Stun(daze, fear, whatever) and apply a charge of the venom to the attacker, XX CD.

Gives the thief a proactive way to prevent CC that isn’t stability,