Guild Wars 2

Saw it on other threads too but wanted to make 1 just for that.
Boost the AA speed on the warrior LB just like you did on the ranger LB – it’s not the actual attack speed but the down time between attacks which result to a 1.5 sec per attack.
Y? it’s obviously way too slow unintended.

Agreed, feels like a waste to of time to ever use the LB auto attack.

Agree, made tons of topics about this..

sorry, but no, your a warrior not a ranger!

warriors are already great at kiting

LB #1 alread got many benefits:

- double adrenaline gain
- double proc chance
- great against aegis
- great when blinded
- crits for 2x 850+ with my Knights/Zerker warrior which is much higher than other range aa (e.g. rifle #1)

IMO making LB#1 hit faster would be to much. Rifle #1 instead needs some love.

I thought what they buffed was projectile speed? Not attack-cooldown delay?

teg.1340:

LB #1 alread got many benefits:

- double adrenaline gain
- double proc chance
- great against aegis
- great when blinded
- crits for 2x 850+ with my Knights/Zerker warrior which is much higher than other range aa (e.g. rifle #1)

IMO making LB#1 hit faster would be to much. Rifle #1 instead needs some love.

you aslo forgot the trait stronger bow string and it unlisted effect of changing every attack to a 100% combo finisher

This thread is ridiculous. Warrior recieves one nerf which causes instant complains.
1. The ranger LB is still way worse than the warrior LB.
2. The warrior shoots 2 arrows, not just 1, like the ranger LB does.
3. The warrior LB is all about AoE, conditiondamage and lockdown. If you’re just using LB #1, you do something wrong.

2 or 1 arrow, doesnt matter for its damage. Ranger longbow does more damage..

On warrior longbow its around (2x)500 on tooltip.. Thats a total of 500! Not 2x 500.

The afterdelay makes this skill a total 1,25 to 1,35sec for a 500 attack.. Thats why its very weak.

But ofc people just reply her like: omg lol warr OP bla bla bla

And about the extra adrenaline gain etc.. It doesnt matter if you hit 2x 500 at 0.5 to 0,75 sec (thats normal because almost every weapon is aroun that on range or melee) or (2x)500 hit on 1,25sec.. Its the same. But ofc less damage.

Longbow ranger is 212 base damage below 500 range.
So more on more range, on a real 3/4 sec

Longbow warr is 232 base damage, doesnt increase on range an its casttime is atleast 1,25 if not more.

About anyone say you dont win with AA, your right but its still a skill to be used in the meantime to keep doing pressure.

About rifle damage compared to longbow Aa damage. Rifle wins with its extra bleeding

nicknamenick.2437:

On warrior longbow its around (2x)500 on tooltip.. Thats a total of 500! Not 2x 500.

Tooltips dont kill anyone. Instead you should just go out in the wild and try it by yourself?

My warrior (knights armors, zerker trinkets/weapons) crits for 2 x 700-850 with LB#1 depending on the opponents defense. That’s a total of 1600+ damage per auto attack. Its way higher than Rifle #1.

Your tooltip doesnt say 750-800. What your total damage is depents on your gear etc. Look at the tooltip damage or base damage and compare it with other skills

And with the rights traits you see rifle does more damage..

Really, it is perception but the truth is Warrior autoattack on Longbow should just be half of the cast time and half of the after cast and only one arrow projectile. Weaker against blind and aegis but better for overall adrenaline gains (if used between other attacks) and is stronger against opponent’s active defenses (i.e. dodge/block/etc.). It would also encourage slightly more involved play.

Longbow autoattack base is very weak in terms of DPS but is decent in terms of slightly being burst-like. In general, a lot of the autoattacks for Warriors are lackluster which is why Fast Hands/5-sec swap is basically a necessity (pre-Axe nerf, it had a decent autoattack, but the only real good Warrior autoattack now (compared to other classes) is Sword MH autochain since all the rest of the autoattacks are way too far on the slow side.)

TL;DR It just feels very clunky to use autoattacks on all weapons (except MH Sword) for Warriors unless you have a big cleave against multiple foes.

nicknamenick.2437:

Your tooltip doesnt say 750-800. What your total damage is depents on your gear etc. Look at the tooltip damage or base damage and compare it with other skills

And with the rights traits you see rifle does more damage..

I play warrior since headstart. Played both Rifle/x and LB/x builds in WvW for ages. LB#1 does more damage than Rifle #1.

teg.1340:

Played both Rifle/x and LB/x builds in WvW since headstart. LB#1 does more damage than Rifle #1.

So do i teg,

Try it, take extra bleeding and 10% damage and you see it does more damage, if you have time i can show u. Because i have done this test many times in pvp with someone.

Ofc this depents on your traits etc, but it is possible.. But now we are kinda going offtopic

Artaz.3819:

Really, it is perception but the truth is Warrior autoattack on Longbow should just be half of the cast time and half of the after cast and only one arrow projectile. Weaker against blind and aegis but better for overall adrenaline gains (if used between other attacks) and is stronger against opponent’s active defenses (i.e. dodge/block/etc.). It would also encourage slightly more involved play.

Longbow autoattack base is very weak in terms of DPS but is decent in terms of slightly being burst-like. In general, a lot of the autoattacks for Warriors are lackluster which is why Fast Hands/5-sec swap is basically a necessity (pre-Axe nerf, it had a decent autoattack, but the only real good Warrior autoattack now (compared to other classes) is Sword MH autochain since all the rest of the autoattacks are way too far on the slow side.)

TL;DR It just feels very clunky to use autoattacks on all weapons (except MH Sword) for Warriors unless you have a big cleave against multiple foes.

You know what my major problem is with longbow AA? Because its that slow you often see your to late to use a different skill like the blind..

normally you spam 1 button and you see pew…………………..pew………………..
but than you see a burst coming and you want to instant do blind, but nope!! Because your AA is still busy on it casttime.. That made me very sad so it often i just dont use AA because it mess up your react time

Yes,yes go ahead and buff that aspd, then do the same for ele staff, necro staff and every slower weapon in the game.

Fair treatments.

nicknamenick.2437:

teg.1340:

Played both Rifle/x and LB/x builds in WvW since headstart. LB#1 does more damage than Rifle #1.

So do i teg,

Try it, take extra bleeding and 10% damage and you see it does more damage, if you have time i can show u. Because i have done this test many times in pvp with someone.

Ofc this depents on your traits etc, but it is possible.. But now we are kinda going offtopic

Attack of Opportunity is not tied to the rifle. Sure, rifle #1 got a garanteed bleed, but with Precise Strikes you apply bleeds with any weapon set. So with LB#1 you got a double chance to proc bleeds for the 10% damage bonus. And with Burning Arrows you are able to get another 10% damage bonus on burning foos.

That burning trait sucks so bad burning is a very short condition so you wont benefit that much fromy the trait in horrible traitline for 20 trait points

Ow and is that trait still bugged? Because it decreased your aa damage for 10% but also makes it a 100%finisher..

So you want warrior to do bows better than a ranger? Lol

More omplaints from warriors please. God I love warriors that complain. Come play a ranger for a week. Lol. Warriors….lol

Paulie.6215:

So you want warrior to do bows better than a ranger? Lol

More omplaints from warriors please. God I love warriors that complain. Come play a ranger for a week. Lol. Warriors….lol

Did anyone say that? To make it better compared to rangers? No, we ask for a fix/buff on its speed to make it a real 0,75 maby 0,85 with some afterdelay.. Not 1,25-1,30sec.

Ow and its not more complains its the same old complain we post here for many many months now.

Ow and Pauli, stop trolling around.
Because all you do is trolling on warrior topics.
Maby you should do more duels how to counter a warrior. Instead what you do is posting here to disagree with warrior topics because ofc you want your free kill back.

And if i read your history it seems your very new in this game. so i dont think you have any idea what your talking about. But ofc you disagree..

Now get back on your condi thief and practice.
Good luck!

Paulie.6215:

So you want warrior to do bows better than a ranger? Lol

More omplaints from warriors please. God I love warriors that complain. Come play a ranger for a week. Lol. Warriors….lol

Warriors already do bows better than the Ranger.

because warriors don’t do enough dmg rrright?

WANT THIEF SHORTBOW AA? i will gladly trade it for warrior AA

sorry, but no, you are just trying to make warriors more op than it already is. Warriors lb pin down give 6 stacks of bleed and immobolize, use that with aa. If anet buffed aa’s speed it would make it way too powerful, lb has blind, immobolize, high dmg with aa, burning, making it one of the best weapons in the game, so stop complaining.

IchigoHatake.5098:

sorry, but no, you are just trying to make warriors more op than it already is. Warriors lb pin down give 6 stacks of bleed and immobolize, use that with aa. If anet buffed aa’s speed it would make it way too powerful, lb has blind, immobolize, high dmg with aa, burning, making it one of the best weapons in the game, so stop complaining.

Whats high damage on AA? At most you crit both for around 700-750.. So you do a 1400-1500 hit.
If both hit and crit, but thats on 1,25-1,30 sec..

So thats a 700 damage every 0,65 sec…
now i would not compare this to a melee weapon where i hit 2k or more every 0,5sec.. But compare this to other ranged AA skills, and you see they can do almost the same damage (from both arrows) in just 0,5 or 0,75sec. Where it is between 1,25-1,30 for longbow warr AA.

This skill does lack damage if you count its casttime with it. Damage is good if its a real 0,75sec.

So no i dont need to stop posting this to share it with Anet, about thief aa on shortbow, there was a topic about that skill also. And i also mentioned this skill in a prev topic.

Funny how all the negative response is from ppl who nvr played warrior.
This change will barley result in any DPS gain, only a real noob will stay in LB AAing every where when he got only 5sec swap CD.
This is more for the awkwardness of this skill like guys who actually played with this weapon posted above.
You know why the ranger shortbow is maybe the best AA? not because of its dmg (which is kitten) or the small bleeds, but because it’s so fast u can always get a few shots between all your other actions and skills without it interpreting anything else, resulting in fast and fun play, that is all we want.

P.S
I don’t see warriors go around on all the ‘pls don’t nerf us’ posts kitting about, so shu.

Eiland.1405:

Funny how all the negative response is from ppl who nvr played warrior.
This change will barley result in any DPS gain, only a real noob will stay in LB AAing every where when he got only 5sec swap CD.

LB AA is useful for dealing constant damage from range on moving targets. And it generates up to 4 bars of adrenaline with Furious. The other LB skills barely hit a kiting target from range unless you immob. 5s swap is irrelevant if you are not in melee range to your target. BTW thats the purpose of using a range weapon over a melee weapon set.

With a lot of empathy I could understand that the warrior LB isn’t at the best spot right now.
But ALL other classes are worse in PvE. Help fix ranger first, then you can start complaining again.

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

With a lot of empathy I could understand that the warrior LB isn’t at the best spot right now.
But ALL other classes are worse in PvE. Help fix ranger first, then you can start complaining again.

That sounds fair indeed, but kitten it takes years for anet to do this.

but i agree with your statement, there are more/better things to fix first indeed. But not sharing this is also not knowing for anet :p

thanx for your feedback!

nicknamenick.2437:

IchigoHatake.5098:

sorry, but no, you are just trying to make warriors more op than it already is. Warriors lb pin down give 6 stacks of bleed and immobolize, use that with aa. If anet buffed aa’s speed it would make it way too powerful, lb has blind, immobolize, high dmg with aa, burning, making it one of the best weapons in the game, so stop complaining.

Whats high damage on AA? At most you crit both for around 700-750.. So you do a 1400-1500 hit.
If both hit and crit, but thats on 1,25-1,30 sec..

So thats a 700 damage every 0,65 sec…
now i would not compare this to a melee weapon where i hit 2k or more every 0,5sec.. But compare this to other ranged AA skills, and you see they can do almost the same damage (from both arrows) in just 0,5 or 0,75sec. Where it is between 1,25-1,30 for longbow warr AA.

This skill does lack damage if you count its casttime with it. Damage is good if its a real 0,75sec.

So no i dont need to stop posting this to share it with Anet, about thief aa on shortbow, there was a topic about that skill also. And i also mentioned this skill in a prev topic.

i will still insist, i will gladly trade warrior bow AA for thief bow AA that does like 300 dmg, doesn’t land on moving target ever and doesn’t give you anything

warriors do NOT have it bad dmg wise, warriors other longbow spells actually do considerable dmg and are really good for conquest as well, warrior longbow is main weapon for them and not a joke movement tool like for thief

warriors are melee class mainly, did you ever ask yourself why are they so tanky? so they can stay in close combat dish out dmg… buffing ranged dmg from warriors is just wrong… you are already too tanky, you are already doing really high dmg with ranged weapon, you want another buff? REALLY?

if anything warriors need considerable nerfs before any buffs atm

Hello cynz, i dont agree with you statement about warrior longbow, but ofc thats your and my opion. We post it to share with anet and its up to anet what they do with it.

Also your compairing it with thief, what i dont get is why? Because this is about longbow warrior. And i totally agree with you about thief shortbow. There are topics about that also and i have posted it also about thief AA. But this is about warrior longbow.
and the post above is a solid reply there are more things that need to be fix first. And ofc the thief shortbow is one of them. But that doesnt say warrior longbow AA shouldnt be on the list.. Ofc not high in the list, but atleast somewhere on the list.

And its not only the damage.. Even if they reduced its damage but make it a shorter casttime i would be happy also. BEcause its bad that you wont use AA because it holds back your other skills. if i use aa now and want a fast blind, i have to wait for 1,3 sec first because the AA is still busy. thats the main problem indeed, see post from eiland. He explained it very well.

Cynz.9437:

nicknamenick.2437:

IchigoHatake.5098:

sorry, but no, you are just trying to make warriors more op than it already is. Warriors lb pin down give 6 stacks of bleed and immobolize, use that with aa. If anet buffed aa’s speed it would make it way too powerful, lb has blind, immobolize, high dmg with aa, burning, making it one of the best weapons in the game, so stop complaining.

Whats high damage on AA? At most you crit both for around 700-750.. So you do a 1400-1500 hit.
If both hit and crit, but thats on 1,25-1,30 sec..

So thats a 700 damage every 0,65 sec…
now i would not compare this to a melee weapon where i hit 2k or more every 0,5sec.. But compare this to other ranged AA skills, and you see they can do almost the same damage (from both arrows) in just 0,5 or 0,75sec. Where it is between 1,25-1,30 for longbow warr AA.

This skill does lack damage if you count its casttime with it. Damage is good if its a real 0,75sec.

So no i dont need to stop posting this to share it with Anet, about thief aa on shortbow, there was a topic about that skill also. And i also mentioned this skill in a prev topic.

i will still insist, i will gladly trade warrior bow AA for thief bow AA that does like 300 dmg, doesn’t land on moving target ever and doesn’t give you anything

warriors do NOT have it bad dmg wise, warriors other longbow spells actually do considerable dmg and are really good for conquest as well, warrior longbow is main weapon for them and not a joke movement tool like for thief

warriors are melee class mainly, did you ever ask yourself why are they so tanky? so they can stay in close combat dish out dmg… buffing ranged dmg from warriors is just wrong… you are already too tanky, you are already doing really high dmg with ranged weapon, you want another buff? REALLY?

if anything warriors need considerable nerfs before any buffs atm

I don’t think about you and some ones here, but the main reason because i d like too much of this game is that he is different of others mmorpg. Here no have holy trinity, or range rules, here i can be a mage (elementarist) without be forced to stay ranged all time, or a warrior without be forced to stay close all time.
- This game is different!

In the day that this game become like others i leave

You say your autoattacks are too weak/slow?
Elementalist says hi.

Also, they’re supposed to be weak godkitten it. Zero-risk skills should not be high reward!

Buff Warrior AA? Are you serious? How op do you want warriors get, condi builds are already get the buff with the berserker gear getting nerfed, you want do better on bow? Use a ranger, that’s what they are for, stop complaining. OMG my lb so slow need buff, OMG healing sig gets stopped by poison need buff, OMG poison needs nerf, OMG other classes op NERF! OMG I’m so pro with warrior using my condi build! Other classes are noobs!

Bc Warriors are Rangers and need to be as awesome from a distance as they are on the front line.
Are you serious? Are you not getting it? Warriors are like the most imbalanced class but you still demand more features and more buffs? I just can’t some grinning like and idiot imagining the way some warriors sit before their easy-as-s*it-to-play-class and saying like “OMG! Bow speed is so slow! We can’t even do the same dmg Rangers do! That’s so unfair …!” xD

Yes! Warrior LB AA speed is really slow. I understand that some people on these forums have such an ingrained hatred of all things warrior that they cannot accept this, but it remains true despite their disaffection. Warriors need a valid ranged weapon – it can’t always be go hammer, GS or get out. Rifle is so terribad that it is beyond salvage, but LB could still be saved. Increasing the AA speed is a good start. Anet, please do the needful…

havoc.6814:

I understand that some people on these forums have such an ingrained hatred of all things warrior that they cannot accept this, but it remains true

yes indeed, mostly the non-zerk-warriors that get kicked out of dungeons before they are given a chance I bet they have an “ingrained hatred of all things warrior”

On topic, IMO the bow is ok, maybe too fast. A heavy armor brute should not be very nimble with a bow in his great mailed fist. IMO.

An amazeballs melee class not awesome at ranged combat as well? The indignity!

Yes, they should put longbow AA faster. Or if not faster make it stronger

I buy that the LB AA should be faster. But I will ask you to buy that you have way too many utilities on the LB which make way more sense on a ranger.

In particular, what is the warrior doing with a blast finisher at range? Seems a ranger thing (say on barrage).
What is the warrior doing with an immobilize at range?

All for you having ranged damage and a bit of damage conditions like buring (though it should be middle of the road not the highest) but it is all the CC and combos you get from those weapons that seems unaligned.

The weakness of a high dps melee class should be I can get away easier from you and if I stay away from you, I should be able to whittle you down. Aimed Shot and Pinned Down violate this.

Bombsaway.7198:

I buy that the LB AA should be faster. But I will ask you to buy that you have way too many utilities on the LB which make way more sense on a ranger.

In particular, what is the warrior doing with a blast finisher at range? Seems a ranger thing (say on barrage).
What is the warrior doing with an immobilize at range?

All for you having ranged damage and a bit of damage conditions like buring (though it should be middle of the road not the highest) but it is all the CC and combos you get from those weapons that seems unaligned.

The weakness of a high dps melee class should be I can get away easier from you and if I stay away from you, I should be able to whittle you down. Aimed Shot and Pinned Down violate this.

I don’t think Rangers would want to give up the DPS of rapid fire, the stealth of Hunter’s Shot, the long push back of Point Blank Shot (and on a 15s cooldown). Barrage is a different issue but still very effective AoE pressure for what it does but in general, root/channel abilities have issues unless coupled with soft CC but I wouldn’t call Barrage weak.

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To fix Dual Shot and still keep it in theme of Warrior, I suggest a hybrid. Increase the cast-time/shot-speed by double but make an arrow speed shot and arc shot alternate so that the first shot is a much quicker bee-line to the target, the second is a slower arced arrow (like Arcing Shot), and then repeats again. The second shot traveling speed would be at a slower speed to target but would be at a higher ratio of power damage (same base damage) and then lower the scaling power damage of the first shot accordingly to create the same more or less overall DPS.

o It fixes interweaving some Auto Attack damage into other LB shots.
o Keeps the theme of the naming convention and is unique enough for Warrior LB.
o Keeps the damage back loaded to every other shot (presumably the second and third shots would hit the target at roughly the same time so both could be dodged in the 0.75s window of evade).
o And it allows every other shot to hit using the arc travel pathing to target if there is an obstruction.

Yeah, this is very obviously a problem, and it isn’t unique to the Warrior LB. Autoattacks need to be effective enough to supply a healthy baseline of steady DPS while being supplemented by other skills. Most weapons function this way but there are a few outliers, which are always ranged weapons. They all have very poorly tuned aftercasts for the amount of damage they do which makes them about as effective as fighting with a wet noodle in most situations.

Thief/Engi Pistol, Ele Staff, and Memser Scepter are all in the same boat. Possibly others.

As an aside, anyone using the “warrior is not a ranger” argument have an amazingly poor comprehension of about a hundred different things, so please just stop.

Einlanzer.1627:

Yeah, this is very obviously a problem, and it isn’t unique to the Warrior LB. Autoattacks need to be effective enough to supply a healthy baseline of steady DPS while being supplemented by other skills. Most weapons function this way but there are a few outliers, which are always ranged weapons. They all have very poorly tuned aftercasts for the amount of damage they do which makes them about as effective as fighting with a wet noodle in most situations.

Thief/Engi Pistol, Ele Staff, and Memser Scepter are all in the same boat. Possibly others.

As an aside, anyone using the “warrior is not a ranger” argument have an amazingly poor comprehension of about a hundred different things, so please just stop.

Yeah, please buff the warrior LB autoattack, so the ranger LB is completely useless.
Wait, I’ve got a better idea: Simply remove all classes exept the warrior, since the warrior is top-notch in every single aspect already.
I love these warrior fools. Complaining about a weapon who doesn’t do as much damage as 100b GS while ignoring the fact that the warrior is THE best class in the game right now.
Get the belance fixed first, then you can start complain again.

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

Einlanzer.1627:

Yeah, this is very obviously a problem, and it isn’t unique to the Warrior LB. Autoattacks need to be effective enough to supply a healthy baseline of steady DPS while being supplemented by other skills. Most weapons function this way but there are a few outliers, which are always ranged weapons. They all have very poorly tuned aftercasts for the amount of damage they do which makes them about as effective as fighting with a wet noodle in most situations.

Thief/Engi Pistol, Ele Staff, and Memser Scepter are all in the same boat. Possibly others.

As an aside, anyone using the “warrior is not a ranger” argument have an amazingly poor comprehension of about a hundred different things, so please just stop.

Yeah, please buff the warrior LB autoattack, so the ranger LB is completely useless.
Wait, I’ve got a better idea: Simply remove all classes exept the warrior, since the warrior is top-notch in every single aspect already.
I simply love these warrior fools. Complaining about a weapon who doesn’t do as much damage as 100b GS while simply ignoring the fact that the warrior is THE best class in the game right now.
Get the belance fixed first, then you can start complain again.

Ladies and gentlemen, I exhibit evidence part 1.

Firstly, I don’t even main warrior.

Secondly, the issue of warrior LB auto-attack bears little relevance to the question of the warrior’s OPness OR to the question how effective the Ranger’s LB is. Ranger’s LB used to have the exact same problem, and they fixed it without fixing the Warrior’s.

Einlanzer.1627:

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

Einlanzer.1627:

Yeah, this is very obviously a problem, and it isn’t unique to the Warrior LB. Autoattacks need to be effective enough to supply a healthy baseline of steady DPS while being supplemented by other skills. Most weapons function this way but there are a few outliers, which are always ranged weapons. They all have very poorly tuned aftercasts for the amount of damage they do which makes them about as effective as fighting with a wet noodle in most situations.

Thief/Engi Pistol, Ele Staff, and Memser Scepter are all in the same boat. Possibly others.

As an aside, anyone using the “warrior is not a ranger” argument have an amazingly poor comprehension of about a hundred different things, so please just stop.

Yeah, please buff the warrior LB autoattack, so the ranger LB is completely useless.
Wait, I’ve got a better idea: Simply remove all classes exept the warrior, since the warrior is top-notch in every single aspect already.
I simply love these warrior fools. Complaining about a weapon who doesn’t do as much damage as 100b GS while simply ignoring the fact that the warrior is THE best class in the game right now.
Get the belance fixed first, then you can start complain again.

Ladies and gentlemen, I exhibit evidence part 1.

Firstly, I don’t even main warrior.

Secondly, the issue of warrior LB auto-attack bears little relevance to the question of the warrior’s OPness OR to the question how effective the Ranger’s LB is. Ranger’s LB used to have the exact same problem, and they fixed it without fixing the Warrior’s.

The warrior LB and ranger LB haven’t even the same playstyle. While warrior LB is the stronger the closer you are to your target. The ranger LB is the stronger the further away your target is. Also, the warrior LB is mainly a hybrid weapon with strong skills and strong conditions. The ranger LB on the other hand, despite being incredible weak, is mainly defined through it’s autoattack.
So stop calling the warrior LB weak if he isn’t even designed for pure autattacking.

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

Einlanzer.1627:

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

Einlanzer.1627:

Yeah, this is very obviously a problem, and it isn’t unique to the Warrior LB. Autoattacks need to be effective enough to supply a healthy baseline of steady DPS while being supplemented by other skills. Most weapons function this way but there are a few outliers, which are always ranged weapons. They all have very poorly tuned aftercasts for the amount of damage they do which makes them about as effective as fighting with a wet noodle in most situations.

Thief/Engi Pistol, Ele Staff, and Memser Scepter are all in the same boat. Possibly others.

As an aside, anyone using the “warrior is not a ranger” argument have an amazingly poor comprehension of about a hundred different things, so please just stop.

Yeah, please buff the warrior LB autoattack, so the ranger LB is completely useless.
Wait, I’ve got a better idea: Simply remove all classes exept the warrior, since the warrior is top-notch in every single aspect already.
I simply love these warrior fools. Complaining about a weapon who doesn’t do as much damage as 100b GS while simply ignoring the fact that the warrior is THE best class in the game right now.
Get the belance fixed first, then you can start complain again.

Ladies and gentlemen, I exhibit evidence part 1.

Firstly, I don’t even main warrior.

Secondly, the issue of warrior LB auto-attack bears little relevance to the question of the warrior’s OPness OR to the question how effective the Ranger’s LB is. Ranger’s LB used to have the exact same problem, and they fixed it without fixing the Warrior’s.

The warrior LB and ranger LB haven’t even the same playstyle. While warrior LB is the stronger the closer you are to your target. The ranger LB is the stronger the further away your target is. Also, the warrior LB is mainly a hybrid weapon with strong skills and strong conditions. The ranger LB on the other hand, despite being incredible weak, is mainly defined through it’s autoattack.
So stop calling the warrior LB weak if he isn’t even designed for pure autattacking.

So because warrior longbow is different compared to ranger longbow it shouldnt have a viable AA??

Doesn’t make any sense.

Major problem with AA longbow for warr is that its so slow that you cant use any other skills on it when you have to.. when you need to fire a blind arrow you often see its to late because the AA is still busy during its casttime..
So what you see is that AA issnt being used that often because of that…

No matter what weapon, ranged or melee.. its AA shouldn’t hold up your other skills.
There are more classes that maby also have a bad AA.. go and make a topic about it..
This one is just about warrior longbow AA.

And its second problem is the damage, now if hey reduce the casttime the damage would be OK also..

so what is this now??

Warrior took Evasion from The Thief

Warrior took Aoe from the Elementalist

Warrior took Condition from the Necromancer

Warrior took Stability from the Guardian

Warrior took Mobility from the Mesmer

Warrior took Condition Removal from the Engineer

Now the Warrior want to take Range from the Ranger

Warrior!!

ENOUGH!! IS ENOUGH !!