Guild Wars 2

Start by saying that I dont like to complain just because I cannot do something. For example, I hate the mesmer and their clones but I never “asked” a nerf because the clones make me mad and sometimes I can not even do nothing that are already dead.

This past weekend I met a DD ele and we started to move in two for the map. Yesterday there were three : I ( DD thief ) , DD ele and another friend with a thief who has to learn to play.

Meet a Warrior near anza with hammer and sword.

In three we failed to kill him. An incredible CC and he could do a combo of stun + multiple hits with the sword that he removed the 80/90 % of my life. I quickly changed tactics trying to inflict blindness and dodge the attacks to avoid the stun . As soon as his life came to 20 % he used the skill of invulnerability and entered the tower.

We decided, after a couple of attempts to attack the camp, to forcing him to leave the tower. Reaches us , he engaged us when and when he reached 20% of live again invulnerability skills and runned in the middle of the camp preventing us from fact to kill him and take over the camp.

We fought a bit and then we moved towards Mendon to kill the dolyak and to force him to come out. Same story . I changed tactics, from the blind to the elite skill to stun but nothing.

I do not consider myself a PRO player but I believe that in nine months of play as a thief i learned something. The other DD ele seems like a good player, my other friend had to learn the thief mechanics.

I found the same warrior when he was fighting another couple of players and seemed to suffer the necromancer. Ok maybe he is weak against condiction but it seems a bit OP to keep up three players and not only not getting killed, but having high probability of killing all three.

Not to mention the incredible speed that the warrior has. I do not think it is correct that there is a class with high damage, high armor and good evasion.

Surely it was a much better player than me and I enjoyed to fight him and try to improve my dodge but I think warrior hammer need a review …

Sorry for my bad english :P

Falassion.8031:

Start by saying that I dont like to complain just because I cannot do something. For example, I hate the mesmer and their clones but I never “asked” a nerf because the clones make me mad and sometimes I can not even do nothing that are already dead.

This past weekend I met a DD ele and we started to move in two for the map. Yesterday there were three : I ( DD thief ) , DD ele and another friend with a thief who has to learn to play.

Meet a Warrior near anza with hammer and sword.

In three we failed to kill him. An incredible CC and he could do a combo of stun + multiple hits with the sword that he removed the 80/90 % of my life. I quickly changed tactics trying to inflict blindness and dodge the attacks to avoid the stun . As soon as his life came to 20 % he used the skill of invulnerability and entered the tower.

We decided, after a couple of attempts to attack the camp, to forcing him to leave the tower. Reaches us , he engaged us when and when he reached 20% of live again invulnerability skills and runned in the middle of the camp preventing us from fact to kill him and take over the camp.

We fought a bit and then we moved towards Mendon to kill the dolyak and to force him to come out. Same story . I changed tactics, from the blind to the elite skill to stun but nothing.

I do not consider myself a PRO player but I believe that in nine months of play as a thief i learned something. The other DD ele seems like a good player, my other friend had to learn the thief mechanics.

I found the same warrior when he was fighting another couple of players and seemed to suffer the necromancer. Ok maybe he is weak against condiction but it seems a bit OP to keep up three players and not only not getting killed, but having high probability of killing all three.

Not to mention the incredible speed that the warrior has. I do not think it is correct that there is a class with high damage, high armor and good evasion.

Surely it was a much better player than me and I enjoyed to fight him and try to improve my dodge but I think warrior hammer need a review …

Sorry for my bad english :P

So let me get this straight..

Out of two DD ele’s
and a thief..

Neither of you three had CC’s
Immobilizes
or the DPS to take out a single warrior..

Just so I am sure of what I am reading..

Out of the three of you..

All three of you with some way to keep the warrior in your group and three of you with a way to chase…

ALL three of you…couldnt slow down this warrior…

All three of you couldnt DPS him down..

Something is either wrong with your build.
Or all three of you just started playing in pvp and you haven’t learned how to fight players yet..

i use greatsword/ rifle and i still feel extremely powerful ,
never tried hammer but it seems i wont bother with it.
i rolled this warrior 3 days ago and i play better than with my guardian that i play since launch.

Hammer Warrior is OP as hell but not being able to beat ONE person when you’re outnumbering him by THREE!? I don’t think the problem is the Warrior being op in this case..

This is a learn to play issue not a warrior being OP issue.

Solori do you read what i wrote?

Seems not. First because we were 2 thieves and 1 dd ele. Second because we were able to kill him, but with invu skill all the time escape in tower, regen, and keep again in fight.

I used cripple with dagger, cripple with bow, but i sacrificed DPS for cripple :P

Nothing wrong in my build or ele build or playstyle. But Hammer Warrior have an Amazing CC. I fought against warrior and guardian with hammer. Hard fight and i get killed but … we did some damage to them. This one was OP …

Cue the warrior fanboys with the hollers of ‘L2P!’

If a warrior wants to get away he will get away. Don’t act like he won’t. My first toon was a warrior, greatsword rush + whirl = No one can catch you.

Dogged march+lemongrass+melandru = cc immunity

Yes, the guy is a thief and yes there were 3 of them and they should have played better, but as for the mobility aspect, warriors just have ridiculous mobility compared to everyone else in the game. That he has correct.

When I fight a warrior I can almost guarantee if I get him down to 20 percent he’ll run, and there’s nothing I can do to catch him.

phaeris.7604:

Cue the warrior fanboys with the hollers of ‘L2P!’

If a warrior wants to get away he will get away. Don’t act like he won’t. My first toon was a warrior, greatsword rush + whirl = No one can catch you.

Dogged march+lemongrass+melandru = cc immunity

Yes, the guy is a thief and yes there were 3 of them and they should have played better, but as for the mobility aspect, warriors just have ridiculous mobility compared to everyone else in the game. That he has correct.

When I fight a warrior I can almost guarantee if I get him down to 20 percent he’ll run, and there’s nothing I can do to catch him.

According to OP he had a hammer and sword in his main hands. The highest mobility you can get on a warrior is sword+horn/greatsword and if they have this combo equipped the only thing they’re going to kill npcs. If you’re roaming with 3 people you can kill 90% of singular people if you have 3 people who aren’t brand new to the game.

Seriously this is a learn to play issue not a warrior one.

If he was a tank warrior, no this is a valid concern with the knockdowns and the HS. Ive seen a guildy of mine go 5 on 1 for abit. He should have gotten steamrolled but NOPE warrior hammer

phaeris.7604:

Cue the warrior fanboys with the hollers of ‘L2P!’

If a warrior wants to get away he will get away. Don’t act like he won’t. My first toon was a warrior, greatsword rush + whirl = No one can catch you.

Dogged march+lemongrass+melandru = cc immunity

Yes, the guy is a thief and yes there were 3 of them and they should have played better, but as for the mobility aspect, warriors just have ridiculous mobility compared to everyone else in the game. That he has correct.

When I fight a warrior I can almost guarantee if I get him down to 20 percent he’ll run, and there’s nothing I can do to catch him.

Hammer/Sw-X warriors don’t have amazing mobility. It’s about par with DD ele. If a thief can’t catch an hammer warrior he should be embarrassed. Yes hammer warriors are amazing strong in groups, but if you can’t focus down a solo hammer warrior with 3 people it definitely is a L2P issue.

Immobilize a warrior? Thats cute, lemme know how long those last

Falassion.8031:

Solori do you read what i wrote?

Seems not. First because we were 2 thieves and 1 dd ele. Second because we were able to kill him, but with invu skill all the time escape in tower, regen, and keep again in fight.

I used cripple with dagger, cripple with bow, but i sacrificed DPS for cripple :P

Nothing wrong in my build or ele build or playstyle. But Hammer Warrior have an Amazing CC. I fought against warrior and guardian with hammer. Hard fight and i get killed but … we did some damage to them. This one was OP …

Sorry I had to re-read the first one.
I didnt see mention where you got a kill in your OP, more just complaining that he was able to run away ( which again, thieves and ele’s shouldnt have a problem catching a hammer war, with sword)

I thought WvW wasn’t meant to be balanced? The War was tanky, obviously or the thieves would have had an easy job, but you have to admit that with all the traits/mobility/consumables/ the war was easily able to outrun them or get to safety while dishing out decent damage. Plus that war didn’t exactly need to be mobile if the could just stun while marching slowly to the towers but he did have the sword offest to help if he did.

ReesesPBC.4603:

I thought WvW wasn’t meant to be balanced? The War was tanky, obviously or the thieves would have had an easy job, but you have to admit that with all the traits/mobility/consumables/ the war was easily able to outrun them or get to safety while dishing out decent damage. Plus that war didn’t exactly need to be mobile if the could just stun while marching slowly to the towers but he did have the sword offest to help if he did.

Tell me a game mode that is balanced and you MIGHT have an argument. Otherwise the devs should try to balance every aspect of the game

The funny part is people screaming “L2P” when the original post states that at least 1 of the players literally just started the game and the other is a d/d ele (probably weakest class in game vs a war) that he just met and probably was also new

Then again a lot of classes could do this in the right setup in wvw, im sure a tanky ranger or engi or something could just as easily 1v3 for a while then run into a keep when he gets low, so this doesnt prove anything new

Oh hey! I’m switching to a hammer/sword build too!
Dat cc man.

Travis the Terrible.4739:

This is a learn to play issue not a warrior being OP issue.

While I’ll definitely agree with the first part of your statement, Hammer Warrior is almost undeniably the strongest build in the game, followed by PU mesmer (in WvW).

Warrior just scales insanely well with tank stats, and through things like Armored Attack and hammer’s CC, can still dish out respectable damage.

I wish I could build some of my light armored classes that way, but if I spec as something like a tank Mesmer I’m going to be doing garbage damage compared to a similarly specced Warrior.

Aegael.6938:

Warrior just scales insanely well with tank stats, and through things like Armored Attack and hammer’s CC, can still dish out respectable damage.

I wish I could build some of my light armored classes that way, but if I spec as something like a tank Mesmer I’m going to be doing garbage damage compared to a similarly specced Warrior.

It’s not scaling.

The base damage on warrior abilities far exceeds other classes except maybe thief.

To test this, just make a new character and level both classes. The damage of 100 blades and axe autoattack is noticeable, as is arcing arrow.

And then you add into that all the trait % damage modifiers that warriors get. And the ease of might stacking by themselves, and the high fury uptime so they can easily crit while still being in tank gear. And then they made healing signet and stances ridiculous.

The warrior just kept snowballing into broken OP ever since release.

I’m roaming and got killed by a thief in 4 hits but I survived vs 5 to 8 players compose of hammer warrior, thief, necro, mesmer, ele it’s just a matter of how good you are and the other player you met in wvw and I’m using G’s/sword shield just keep kitting the xx players for 1 minute I’m not even fighting just running in circles on a supply camp

Zenith.7301:

Aegael.6938:

Warrior just scales insanely well with tank stats, and through things like Armored Attack and hammer’s CC, can still dish out respectable damage.

I wish I could build some of my light armored classes that way, but if I spec as something like a tank Mesmer I’m going to be doing garbage damage compared to a similarly specced Warrior.

It’s not scaling.

The base damage on warrior abilities far exceeds other classes except maybe thief.

To test this, just make a new character and level both classes. The damage of 100 blades and axe autoattack is noticeable, as is arcing arrow.

And then you add into that all the trait % damage modifiers that warriors get. And the ease of might stacking by themselves, and the high fury uptime so they can easily crit while still being in tank gear. And then they made healing signet and stances ridiculous.

The warrior just kept snowballing into broken OP ever since release.

Show me a warrior that wears tank gear with insane crit chance and crit damage because I’m full zerker gear exception of melandru runes I 1 vs 1 a hammer pvt warrior and he couldn’t even make my hp go less 96% and I don’t even use my stunbreaker just watching his low damage

Solori.6025:

Falassion.8031:

Start by saying that I dont like to complain just because I cannot do something. For example, I hate the mesmer and their clones but I never “asked” a nerf because the clones make me mad and sometimes I can not even do nothing that are already dead.

This past weekend I met a DD ele and we started to move in two for the map. Yesterday there were three : I ( DD thief ) , DD ele and another friend with a thief who has to learn to play.

Meet a Warrior near anza with hammer and sword.

In three we failed to kill him. An incredible CC and he could do a combo of stun + multiple hits with the sword that he removed the 80/90 % of my life. I quickly changed tactics trying to inflict blindness and dodge the attacks to avoid the stun . As soon as his life came to 20 % he used the skill of invulnerability and entered the tower.

We decided, after a couple of attempts to attack the camp, to forcing him to leave the tower. Reaches us , he engaged us when and when he reached 20% of live again invulnerability skills and runned in the middle of the camp preventing us from fact to kill him and take over the camp.

We fought a bit and then we moved towards Mendon to kill the dolyak and to force him to come out. Same story . I changed tactics, from the blind to the elite skill to stun but nothing.

I do not consider myself a PRO player but I believe that in nine months of play as a thief i learned something. The other DD ele seems like a good player, my other friend had to learn the thief mechanics.

I found the same warrior when he was fighting another couple of players and seemed to suffer the necromancer. Ok maybe he is weak against condiction but it seems a bit OP to keep up three players and not only not getting killed, but having high probability of killing all three.

Not to mention the incredible speed that the warrior has. I do not think it is correct that there is a class with high damage, high armor and good evasion.

Surely it was a much better player than me and I enjoyed to fight him and try to improve my dodge but I think warrior hammer need a review …

Sorry for my bad english :P

So let me get this straight..

Out of two DD ele’s
and a thief..

Neither of you three had CC’s
Immobilizes
or the DPS to take out a single warrior..

Just so I am sure of what I am reading..

Out of the three of you..

All three of you with some way to keep the warrior in your group and three of you with a way to chase…

ALL three of you…couldnt slow down this warrior…

All three of you couldnt DPS him down..

Something is either wrong with your build.
Or all three of you just started playing in pvp and you haven’t learned how to fight players yet..

Ha ha ha and ha
Tell me why 45-50% player play Warrior in WvWvW ? Because Warrior is so weak ?

http://www.twitch.tv/shinryuku_ku/c/3813213

Problem on Warrior is hight base hp/hp regen + Longest CC in game with hight DMG

BTW: next patch Warrior comming with Sigil of Paralyzation + Sigil of Impact in Hammer

Evilek.5690:

Solori.6025:

Falassion.8031:

Start by saying that I dont like to complain just because I cannot do something. For example, I hate the mesmer and their clones but I never “asked” a nerf because the clones make me mad and sometimes I can not even do nothing that are already dead.

This past weekend I met a DD ele and we started to move in two for the map. Yesterday there were three : I ( DD thief ) , DD ele and another friend with a thief who has to learn to play.

Meet a Warrior near anza with hammer and sword.

In three we failed to kill him. An incredible CC and he could do a combo of stun + multiple hits with the sword that he removed the 80/90 % of my life. I quickly changed tactics trying to inflict blindness and dodge the attacks to avoid the stun . As soon as his life came to 20 % he used the skill of invulnerability and entered the tower.

We decided, after a couple of attempts to attack the camp, to forcing him to leave the tower. Reaches us , he engaged us when and when he reached 20% of live again invulnerability skills and runned in the middle of the camp preventing us from fact to kill him and take over the camp.

We fought a bit and then we moved towards Mendon to kill the dolyak and to force him to come out. Same story . I changed tactics, from the blind to the elite skill to stun but nothing.

I do not consider myself a PRO player but I believe that in nine months of play as a thief i learned something. The other DD ele seems like a good player, my other friend had to learn the thief mechanics.

I found the same warrior when he was fighting another couple of players and seemed to suffer the necromancer. Ok maybe he is weak against condiction but it seems a bit OP to keep up three players and not only not getting killed, but having high probability of killing all three.

Not to mention the incredible speed that the warrior has. I do not think it is correct that there is a class with high damage, high armor and good evasion.

Surely it was a much better player than me and I enjoyed to fight him and try to improve my dodge but I think warrior hammer need a review …

Sorry for my bad english :P

So let me get this straight..

Out of two DD ele’s
and a thief..

Neither of you three had CC’s
Immobilizes
or the DPS to take out a single warrior..

Just so I am sure of what I am reading..

Out of the three of you..

All three of you with some way to keep the warrior in your group and three of you with a way to chase…

ALL three of you…couldnt slow down this warrior…

All three of you couldnt DPS him down..

Something is either wrong with your build.
Or all three of you just started playing in pvp and you haven’t learned how to fight players yet..

Ha ha ha and ha
Tell me why 45-50% player play Warrior in WvWvW ? Because Warrior is so weak ?

http://www.twitch.tv/shinryuku_ku/c/3813213

Problem on Warrior is hight base hp/hp regen + Longest CC in game with hight DMG

BTW: next patch Warrior comming with Sigil of Paralyzation + Sigil of Impact in Hammer

actually 45-50% of players play thief.

That’s all you run into in the higher tiers

Evilek.5690:

BTW: next patch Warrior comming with Sigil of Paralyzation + Sigil of Impact in Hammer

My hammer is going to have a Sigil of Impact and a sigil of force.

war = hulk smash zerg

they need to seriously reduce hammer damage,
its a CC weapon, its cc shouldn’t be nerfed.
but the fact that you can deal the damage of a glass cannon using this CC weapon is just WRONG

Liewec.2896:

they need to seriously reduce hammer damage,
its a CC weapon, its cc shouldn’t be nerfed.
but the fact that you can deal the damage of a glass cannon using this CC weapon is just WRONG

It was nerfed, the reason we can still hit like a glass cannon is because we build for it sacrificing survivability unlike before the nerf when we could have a lot of both.

This…
Send the weapon to waste.
Why the hell i use a weapon that do not give damage?

Solori.6025:

Evilek.5690:

Solori.6025:

Falassion.8031:

Start by saying that I dont like to complain just because I cannot do something. For example, I hate the mesmer and their clones but I never “asked” a nerf because the clones make me mad and sometimes I can not even do nothing that are already dead.

This past weekend I met a DD ele and we started to move in two for the map. Yesterday there were three : I ( DD thief ) , DD ele and another friend with a thief who has to learn to play.

Meet a Warrior near anza with hammer and sword.

In three we failed to kill him. An incredible CC and he could do a combo of stun + multiple hits with the sword that he removed the 80/90 % of my life. I quickly changed tactics trying to inflict blindness and dodge the attacks to avoid the stun . As soon as his life came to 20 % he used the skill of invulnerability and entered the tower.

We decided, after a couple of attempts to attack the camp, to forcing him to leave the tower. Reaches us , he engaged us when and when he reached 20% of live again invulnerability skills and runned in the middle of the camp preventing us from fact to kill him and take over the camp.

We fought a bit and then we moved towards Mendon to kill the dolyak and to force him to come out. Same story . I changed tactics, from the blind to the elite skill to stun but nothing.

I do not consider myself a PRO player but I believe that in nine months of play as a thief i learned something. The other DD ele seems like a good player, my other friend had to learn the thief mechanics.

I found the same warrior when he was fighting another couple of players and seemed to suffer the necromancer. Ok maybe he is weak against condiction but it seems a bit OP to keep up three players and not only not getting killed, but having high probability of killing all three.

Not to mention the incredible speed that the warrior has. I do not think it is correct that there is a class with high damage, high armor and good evasion.

Surely it was a much better player than me and I enjoyed to fight him and try to improve my dodge but I think warrior hammer need a review …

Sorry for my bad english :P

So let me get this straight..

Out of two DD ele’s
and a thief..

Neither of you three had CC’s
Immobilizes
or the DPS to take out a single warrior..

Just so I am sure of what I am reading..

Out of the three of you..

All three of you with some way to keep the warrior in your group and three of you with a way to chase…

ALL three of you…couldnt slow down this warrior…

All three of you couldnt DPS him down..

Something is either wrong with your build.
Or all three of you just started playing in pvp and you haven’t learned how to fight players yet..

Ha ha ha and ha
Tell me why 45-50% player play Warrior in WvWvW ? Because Warrior is so weak ?

http://www.twitch.tv/shinryuku_ku/c/3813213

Problem on Warrior is hight base hp/hp regen + Longest CC in game with hight DMG

BTW: next patch Warrior comming with Sigil of Paralyzation + Sigil of Impact in Hammer

actually 45-50% of players play thief.

That’s all you run into in the higher tiers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEEYhovtwBo

That OP hammer warrior looks a toy against Thieves
Who is the OP class here?

that war really did not seem like a great player
and yishis is next lvl lol

he ran because he knew he did not stand a chance . and i can bet his build was less than ideal

they sent the thief’s sword out the window by taking the stun breaker off IR
making the weapon set next to useless. the only reliable weapons we have is d/d and d/p backstab

the thief can’t properly break your mass stuns with IS any more .
and stun breakers like withdrawal which have a long cool down can be canceled out by the mass stuns.

they need to either fix the huge damage of the hammer.
or give the thief back the stun breaker on the sword. or another way to deal with mass stun.

but i can’t talk just for thief . that much power and stuns is crazy and there is just not that many builds that can handle it . with stun breakers on such long cool downs

caveman.5840:

that war really did not seem like a great player
and yishis is next lvl lol

http://youtu.be/GS4xCKyg1dg

..someone not yishi…

Since apparently Yishi is on another level.

Yup..look at that hammer totally owning this sillyguy..

thats a video of a mesmer ?
that is a dif story . they r not as squishy as a thief . just spam conditions
at times had 14 stacks of bleeds with good crit damage still . even if u don’t have a lot of condition damage 14 stacks of bleed will go right through your toughness . thief just can’t run a hybrid damage build quite like a mesmer can.
and the thief must fight close. where the mesmer can do great damage while moving away from u to avoid the hammer

and the mesmer has phase retreat on the staff. it may not be a stun breaker but u can still use it when knocked down ,
which is something IR on the thieves sword should do at very least. if not give the stun breaker back

it comes down to.
to many stuns not enough ways to deal with them for a lot of classes
stunbreakers have really long cool down times . and some can be canceled out by mass stun .
something needs to happen wether it is reduce hammer damage reduce stun breaker cool down or what ever but there needs to be a compensation of some kind

caveman.5840:

thats a video of a mesmer ?
that is a dif story . they r not as squishy as a thief . just spam conditions
at times had 14 stacks of bleeds with good crit damage still . even if u don’t have a lot of condition damage 14 stacks of bleed will go right through your toughness . thief just can’t run a hybrid damage build quite like a mesmer can.
and the thief must fight close. where the mesmer can do great damage while moving away from u to avoid the hammer

and the mesmer has phase retreat on the staff. it may not be a stun breaker but u can still use it when knocked down ,

So you’re saying conditions can kill a warrior?

You mean…the thing that was supposed to counter them? Some classes can actually do that?

Also…did you see the mesmer us a staff?

I saw the mesmer use two stun breaks- basically being prepared for CC…

Did you know there is a food that reduces stuns?

And runes…

Solori.6025:

caveman.5840:

thats a video of a mesmer ?
that is a dif story . they r not as squishy as a thief . just spam conditions
at times had 14 stacks of bleeds with good crit damage still . even if u don’t have a lot of condition damage 14 stacks of bleed will go right through your toughness . thief just can’t run a hybrid damage build quite like a mesmer can.
and the thief must fight close. where the mesmer can do great damage while moving away from u to avoid the hammer

and the mesmer has phase retreat on the staff. it may not be a stun breaker but u can still use it when knocked down ,

So you’re saying conditions can kill a warrior?

You mean…the thing that was supposed to counter them? Some classes can actually do that?

Also…did you see the mesmer us a staff?

I saw the mesmer use two stun breaks- basically being prepared for CC…

Did you know there is a food that reduces stuns?

And runes…

Ah a fellow lover of dots I see! …………………………..

no i did not see the mesmer use the staff in the video.
but i am talking about the skill on the staff. but i did see the mesmer use sword which still has a stun breaker on it !

and how the thieves last patch broke IR on the sword . and at very least it should be able to be used when knocked down.

all i am saying is there is a big difference when it comes to thief vs war & mesmer vs war.
lol the war has so much cleave on there weapons they hit the clones on accident all the time loading up conditions on there self.

thief is forced to go head to head . we need a way to deal with mass stun . mesmer can at least run and keep distance with long-range attacks to avoid devastating hammer blows .

ir has a cast time . as short as it may be . when u only have a fraction of a second to avoid a stun . IR needs to be able to use instantly.

besides that some stun breakers get canceled out by mass stun .
making a useless stun breaker ! with long cool downs

yes of corse i know there is food to reduce stun duration .
and the runes would break a lot of thief builds . so lets just throw them out the window.

but i know that even other classes have trouble with the amounts of stun a war just throws around like it is nothing .
mesmer might be the best choice to deal with a hammer war because of the amount of clones they spam and war hits with there huge cleaves
and i would say it is a lil easer for a mesmer to pick two stun breakers than a thief

caveman.5840:

no i did not see the mesmer use the staff in the video.
but i am talking about the skill on the staff.

and how the thieves last patch broke IR on the sword . and at very least it should be able to be used when knocked down.

all i am saying is there is a big difference when it comes to thief vs war & mesmer vs war.
lol the war has so much cleave on there weapons they hit the clones on accident all the time loading up conditions on there self.

thief is forced to go head to head . we need a way to deal with mass stun . mesmer can at least run and keep distance with long-range attacks to avoid devastating hammer blows .

ir has a cast time . as short as it may be . when u only have a fraction of a second to avoid a stun . IR needs to be able to use instantly.

besides that some stun breakers get canceled out by mass stun .
making a useless stun breaker ! with long cool downs

yes of corse i know there is food to reduce stun duration .
and the runes would break a lot of thief builds . so lets just throw them out the window.

but i know that even other classes have trouble with the amounts of stun a war just throws around like it is nothing .
mesmer might be the best choice to deal with a hammer war because of the amount of clones they spam and war hits with there huge cleaves

Engineer for your thoughts?
http://youtu.be/AmxeCjSInOk

Hambow warrriors and mesmer’s.

lol i am not ruling a engine out they have great condition builds .
like u said a lil while ago .

“So you’re saying conditions can kill a warrior?
You mean…the thing that was supposed to counter them? Some classes can actually do that?”

i am talking about a (crit) thief .
the mesmer still has a stun breaker on the sword .
and can easily slot stun breakers

bobomb.5209:

Solori.6025:

caveman.5840:

thats a video of a mesmer ?
that is a dif story . they r not as squishy as a thief . just spam conditions
at times had 14 stacks of bleeds with good crit damage still . even if u don’t have a lot of condition damage 14 stacks of bleed will go right through your toughness . thief just can’t run a hybrid damage build quite like a mesmer can.
and the thief must fight close. where the mesmer can do great damage while moving away from u to avoid the hammer

and the mesmer has phase retreat on the staff. it may not be a stun breaker but u can still use it when knocked down ,

So you’re saying conditions can kill a warrior?

You mean…the thing that was supposed to counter them? Some classes can actually do that?

Also…did you see the mesmer us a staff?

I saw the mesmer use two stun breaks- basically being prepared for CC…

Did you know there is a food that reduces stuns?

And runes…

Ah a fellow lover of dots I see! …………………………..

Its a love hate relationship..

I don’t like DoT’s when I am playing my mesmer ( I hate them so much) and I especially hate them when playing on my warrior or ranger.

I love DoT’s when I am on my necro or engi ( all the DoT 0_0)
Its like numbers all over your screen gasm..

Then I dont care for them on my ele or guardian ( I’m all like…you dude..chill with that I just heal them away)

So yea…different layers of feels for the DoT’s

caveman.5840:

lol i am not ruling a engine out they have great condition builds .
like u said a lil while ago .

“So you’re saying conditions can kill a warrior?
You mean…the thing that was supposed to counter them? Some classes can actually do that?”

i am talking about a (crit) thief .
the mesmer still has a stun breaker on the sword .
and can easily slot stun breakers

…..
..

That’s a power Engi…

And mesmer doesnt have a stun break on sword..

and evasion..yes..

just like thief with sword/dagger or sword/pistol

i have never played engi so i should not speak for them

but the mesmers sword does break stun
it is not listed as a stun breaker but it still works
it is a meh stun breaker . that should be buffed to a true stun breaker

Solori.6025:

bobomb.5209:

Solori.6025:

caveman.5840:

thats a video of a mesmer ?
that is a dif story . they r not as squishy as a thief . just spam conditions
at times had 14 stacks of bleeds with good crit damage still . even if u don’t have a lot of condition damage 14 stacks of bleed will go right through your toughness . thief just can’t run a hybrid damage build quite like a mesmer can.
and the thief must fight close. where the mesmer can do great damage while moving away from u to avoid the hammer

and the mesmer has phase retreat on the staff. it may not be a stun breaker but u can still use it when knocked down ,

So you’re saying conditions can kill a warrior?

You mean…the thing that was supposed to counter them? Some classes can actually do that?

Also…did you see the mesmer us a staff?

I saw the mesmer use two stun breaks- basically being prepared for CC…

Did you know there is a food that reduces stuns?

And runes…

Ah a fellow lover of dots I see! …………………………..

Its a love hate relationship..

I don’t like DoT’s when I am playing my mesmer ( I hate them so much) and I especially hate them when playing on my warrior or ranger.

I love DoT’s when I am on my necro or engi ( all the DoT 0_0)
Its like numbers all over your screen gasm..

Then I dont care for them on my ele or guardian ( I’m all like…you dude..chill with that I just heal them away)

So yea…different layers of feels for the DoT’s

I actually wasn’t referring to conditions. I was talking about excessive use of the period when indicating a pause between words. But take it however you want.

bobomb.5209:

Solori.6025:

bobomb.5209:

Solori.6025:

caveman.5840:

thats a video of a mesmer ?
that is a dif story . they r not as squishy as a thief . just spam conditions
at times had 14 stacks of bleeds with good crit damage still . even if u don’t have a lot of condition damage 14 stacks of bleed will go right through your toughness . thief just can’t run a hybrid damage build quite like a mesmer can.
and the thief must fight close. where the mesmer can do great damage while moving away from u to avoid the hammer

and the mesmer has phase retreat on the staff. it may not be a stun breaker but u can still use it when knocked down ,

So you’re saying conditions can kill a warrior?

You mean…the thing that was supposed to counter them? Some classes can actually do that?

Also…did you see the mesmer us a staff?

I saw the mesmer use two stun breaks- basically being prepared for CC…

Did you know there is a food that reduces stuns?

And runes…

Ah a fellow lover of dots I see! …………………………..

Its a love hate relationship..

I don’t like DoT’s when I am playing my mesmer ( I hate them so much) and I especially hate them when playing on my warrior or ranger.

I love DoT’s when I am on my necro or engi ( all the DoT 0_0)
Its like numbers all over your screen gasm..

Then I dont care for them on my ele or guardian ( I’m all like…you dude..chill with that I just heal them away)

So yea…different layers of feels for the DoT’s

I actually wasn’t referring to conditions. I was talking about excessive use of the period when indicating a pause between words. But take it however you want.

ah…..

……..well then………

Now this is awkward..<_<……..
umm……

…………… . . . .
Soooooo…how’s the thread?

Travis the Terrible.4739:

This is a learn to play issue not a warrior being OP issue.

Blablabla…no problem with warrior….blablabla…l2p…end of story….

AND DO NOT TOUCH MY TOY !!!!!!

i would much rather see other classes get a buff with stun breakers to deal with the mass cc
so we r not just a stun and loot bag