Guild Wars 2

Simon.3794:

PU mesmer is officially banned in 1v1 and called as cancer, which is agreed by all top players even the veteran mesmers are against this cancer build, it has nothing to do with losing to it and no, we can not kill it doesnt mean we will die and lose to it, nor like we can’t beat it (we can), i think a random PvDoor hero like you must be greater then all top PvP players combined together to be able to say stuff like that. too skilled, much wow

Bunker build/amulet are banned in 1v1 and despite investing 40 pt in offensives trait-lines and using berserker amulet PU builds still falls in bunker category. PU being banned from 1v1 do not prove that it is OP or a cancer as you call it.

Simon.3794:

PU mesmer is officially banned in 1v1 and called as cancer, which is agreed by all top players even the veteran mesmers are against this cancer build, it has nothing to do with losing to it and no, we can not kill it doesnt mean we will die and lose to it, nor like we can’t beat it (we can), i think a random PvDoor hero like you must be greater then all top PvP players combined together to be able to say stuff like that. too skilled, much wow

I always have to laugh when somebody grossly exaggerates and calls a virtual character “cancer”. Seriously, get some perspective and have some respect for people who have this disease in real-life.

Using words like this just reinforces that you’re emotional about something, and thus not rational and that ultimately leads me to conclude that it’s a L2P issue. If you were rational, after all, you’d take the time to learn how they work and how to beat them.

Hell, I’ve beaten a fair few yesterday again on my non-PU non-stealth Mesmer with 17k health pool and zero condi cleanse. It’s simple. Do NOT kill their clones. And if things go wrong, run off… they have zero chance to catch you.

It really ain’t that difficult. But for forum warriors all that matters is their I-WIN button and if they suddenly can’t beat a class because they have to analyse, think, time their attacks, target and in general use their brains… oh no, the nerd rage hits and QQ on the forum ensues.

there is no chance u can win this build! with no class or build.. and if fully stacked it can goes 2100 condi damage.. if not still 1700 cond damage..
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQNArfWl4zipHSzoGb9IipHBXvBcnUAdOXJF32FC-jUCBoOCi0CIk0A0HRMTqIasl1FRjV3ATxiIq2joIa1SBAx0I-w

can u win this build? or u will just better ignore when u see some one using this and let him /laugh /dance :P

Azo.5860:

can u win this build?

I suspect English is not your mother tongue?
What you were trying to say is “Can you win against this build?”.

The “against” is rather important in this case. Otherwise you’re asking whether someone can win the build, like a prize. As if it’s being auctioned off and you’re trying to get it.

thank you Carighan.. yeap.. againsT (and one the best with gw2 is that it really practising my english )

that builds is still for 1vsmany situations, and can be altered as swaping staff for sword focus maybe.. for not let to easy escape.. or than dire set rabid?

Azo.5860:

there is no chance u can win this build! with no class or build.. and if fully stacked it can goes 2100 condi damage.. if not still 1700 cond damage..
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQNArfWl4zipHSzoGb9IipHBXvBcnUAdOXJF32FC-jUCBoOCi0CIk0A0HRMTqIasl1FRjV3ATxiIq2joIa1SBAx0I-w

can u win this build? or u will just better ignore when u see some one using this and let him /laugh /dance :P

Just understand how to play them. Keep moving, use ranged weapons, apply conditions if you can (their condi removal is awful), avoid scepter block, and if all else fails, just walk away. They are slow as kitten.

OK I can understand some ppl disslike PU mesmers, but no player who have a p/d Thief, signet warrrior or spirit ranger have the right to qq as you basicly play your class survival/dps spec.

Some things ppl Claim here thus is wery wrong. Atleast get the facts correct about PU mesmers.

1 – PU mesmers have several spec, not 1 power or 2 condi. So dont categorice al mesmers who ahve PU afetr this.

2 – PU mesmers dont have awfull condi mangment, tbh a 10-20-30-10-0 PU power mesmer with mantra heal and mantra of condi clearence cant go down to a P/P condi thief as he clear condis so fast.

3 – PU mesmers ARE NOT SLOW, yes condition preplexi ones is but PU power with travaler runes and 1200 range blink + short cd on blink will outrun most classes and spec in the game.

4 – PU mesmers dont have bad burst, tbh crrect specced its possible to have 2650 power, high crit, ~80% crit dmg, you hit like a truck.

5 – PU mesmers is not only a 1 vs 1 spec, some PU spec IS THIS but not al, a 20-20-30 can boonstrip, stealth mates and do wery nice burst. Also apply vuln for the team and cleat teammates conditions.

And tbh most PU builds dont do half as good in a duel where they have to stay in area as they do when they can abuse enviorment and terrain.

One option for PU who deal dmg and move:

/Osicat

Osicat.4139:

OK I can understand some ppl disslike PU mesmers, but no player who have a p/d Thief, signet warrrior or spirit ranger have the right to qq as you basicly play your class survival/dps spec.

Some things ppl Claim here thus is wery wrong. Atleast get the facts correct about PU mesmers.

1 – PU mesmers have several spec, not 1 power or 2 condi. So dont categorice al mesmers who ahve PU afetr this.

2 – PU mesmers dont have awfull condi mangment, tbh a 10-20-30-10-0 PU power mesmer with mantra heal and mantra of condi clearence cant go down to a P/P condi thief as he clear condis so fast.

3 – PU mesmers ARE NOT SLOW, yes condition preplexi ones is but PU power with travaler runes and 1200 range blink + short cd on blink will outrun most classes and spec in the game.

4 – PU mesmers dont have bad burst, tbh crrect specced its possible to have 2650 power, high crit, ~80% crit dmg, you hit like a truck.

5 – PU mesmers is not only a 1 vs 1 spec, some PU spec IS THIS but not al, a 20-20-30 can boonstrip, stealth mates and do wery nice burst. Also apply vuln for the team and cleat teammates conditions.

And tbh most PU builds dont do half as good in a duel where they have to stay in area as they do when they can abuse enviorment and terrain.

One option for PU who deal dmg and move:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTc-GuHlfKs

/Osicat

Honestly confused with one if your points. You said they can clear condis making P/P pistol thieves worthless yet besides only one set I can think of, there is practically no such thing as a pp condi, did you meanPD condi who can actually apply a lot of conditions? And how would they fare against necros?

RedSpectrum.1975:

Honestly confused with one if your points. You said they can clear condis making P/P pistol thieves worthless yet besides only one set I can think of, there is practically no such thing as a pp condi, did you meanPD condi who can actually apply a lot of conditions? And how would they fare against necros?

Yes sorry mate did mean P/D condi, and worthless is mabye not the corretc word but the condtion clear, especialy in anything exept a pure duel let a 10-20-30-10 PU focus on another target. in a smal scale team fight a direct dmg thief is alot harder to handle.

What I do react is ppl who say “its juts to spamm condis on the PU mesmers, they weak against it” like thats teh answer and work vs al PU mesmers. That is like “its just to cc the Thief, the get insta killed by that”.

A necro is another matter, for any smale scale team fight necro is always the first focus, when I run in my 3-5 man team and we focus a group the necros ALWAYs is the first target.

Important to note, Im not discussing pure duels here, differnece is that a necro in open world roaming who run into a PU mesmer can be harassed and will be downed as mesmer is more mobiel, can apply preasure and blink 1200 y way, stealth spawn phantasm etc. If you instead setup a duel in a limited area say ~1200y, the necro,s aoe will extremly hard to avoid and as its applyed not high stacks but high number of different condis so a 2 condi clear is alot less worth than if you clear a high stacknumber of bleeds or confusion.

Bt tbh, by now hunting engis like Maskaganda or thiefs killed al solo /smal team roaming necros, been ages sens I saw one in smaler team than 5+

/Osicat

A PU mesmer is just a standard phantasm spec that sacrificed damage for defense

All the people complaining just fight a 10/30/0/30 mesmer it’s the same thing except alot less damage. PU is annoying to fight against I agree but I don’t call it broken because it doesn’t scare you except a GS mesmer who gets izerk off. Other then that they don’t have scary burst just sustained.

A 10/30/0/30 mesmer could kill you much faster but they would be much weaker in a outnumbered fight.

PU doesn’t need to be nerfed it’s effective if you decide to stay and fight it sure but that’s your choice but you can still win. The only other type of mesmer out there is a shatter but there has always been phantasm based memser builds since release and PU is no exception. It sacrifices damage for survivability.

If that mesmer respecced to 10/30/0/30 he doesn’t need extra stealth or prot uptime because his phantasms would hit a whole lot harder. If he was conditions he would have more bleed procs with higher crit chance still can get the cripple on death which is the strongest of the 2 death traits imo and hybrid it for more direct damage, still can grab duelist discipline and if he likes get shattered conditions.

PU is a weaker version of any standard phantasm spec. It’s annoying but not overpowered. If you died to the pu mesmer with 30 chaos 1v1 you would have died 1v1 if he had at least 10 domination and 25 dueling but much much faster.

Simonoly.4352:

King Amadaeus.8619:

I will also add I would trade my PU and mesmer defensive line traits for my thieves defensive line traits….THEN THERE WOULD BE CRYING, of that I have no doubt.

Could you imagine if Mesmers could remove a condition for every second in stealth? Oh god the horror! Makes me feel all queazy just thinking about it.

….and blind nearby enemies when entering stealth, and regenerate health while in stealth, and have a 100% chance to crit next attack while in stealth.

We would be…
~~~~~~~~\ (0.0) / ~~~~~~~~ drowning in the tears.

Why do I hate PU Mesmers? … Because they stink.

HAR!

Seriously, you guys that play Mesmers, you haven’t figured out that you actually go stealth whenever you summon a clone for a short period of time?

Really?

None of you?

None of you actually paid attention?

Go back and play the game, and watch when your character blurs out on your screen. To others, you actually go invisible for a short period of time.

Maybe that’s why PU is so hated…maybe its bugged and its making that duration last way longer than it should.

yes PU is a trait but, i ll complain about Build who use PU
i ll try be objective, if i would face with PU mesmer example who is using,
Mantra PU Condi Dire set 0 20 30 20 0

and if i am Burst Raw damage build (example: Power shatter, dd thief)

• my burst ll just giggle them,

This Build Survival

• Damage Reduction: %33 to %59 to %92
  Base: %33 (from 2744 armor)
  if Protected mantras will have +%12 DR
  If have active 3 clones +%9 DR
  If have protection +%33 DR

• Protection:
  Lets check Max % of protection buff can be on u!
  - Mass Inv: in 97.45 sec 1 x use
  (if Pu triggers Protection on use with 1/3 chance with every 1 internal on invis.)
  12sec inv avaragely can trigger protecion 7.5sec
  - Torch: 99sec 3x use = avg 11.15sec
  - Decoy: 88sec 2x use = avg 15sec
  in 100 sec can have 33.45sec = 1/3 u ll have protection

24k to 26.5k Health + www bonusses

lets kill clones Weaknesses = % 50 DR for attackers + -vigor etc..

PU = Boost your Mantra`s efficients with aegis + +1 inv time to not be interupted
Self Heal = u can spam #6 skill to heal your self 8k hp every 10 sec with mastery
+ MoC will heal u + 2640 and your clones (wich makes confusing for attacker or clones phantasms take aggro with confusing being healed) = + Survival

Scepter Block + Confusions = Survival as awell
——————————————
cleanse: in every 25.5 sec can cleanse 2*6= 12 theorically in every 2 sec 1 condicleanse
+ Lyssa + confusion weakness on u are not efficient + High Health Pool

scepter block can give 0 to 5k to 12k Damage with every 10 sec
1600 to 1925 condition damage
how tank is he, still have potential to take down enemies..
etc etc

Mobility High to Very High, IF want more instead staff focus with sword?

bla bla bla sorry just bored for now…

so UNBEATABLE.. just i would ignore this build if i see on WvW field..

BUT Why IMBA? is the reward of being lack in large scale groups?

thats why when i use this build on solo roam and if i accept to face 1v1 i prefer being naked.. more fun better challenge .. other wise prefer 1vs2 min

Azo.5860:

yes PU is a trait but, i ll complain about Build who use PU
i ll try be objective, if i would face with PU mesmer example who is using,
Mantra PU Condi Dire set 0 20 30 20 0

and if i am Burst Raw damage build (example: Power shatter, dd thief)

• my burst ll just giggle them,

This Build Survival

• Damage Reduction: %33 to %59 to %92
  Base: %33 (from 2744 armor)
  if Protected mantras will have +%12 DR
  If have active 3 clones +%9 DR
  If have protection +%33 DR

• Protection:
  Lets check Max % of protection buff can be on u!
  - Mass Inv: in 97.45 sec 1 x use
  (if Pu triggers Protection on use with 1/3 chance with every 1 internal on invis.)
  12sec inv avaragely can trigger protecion 7.5sec
  - Torch: 99sec 3x use = avg 11.15sec
  - Decoy: 88sec 2x use = avg 15sec
  in 100 sec can have 33.45sec = 1/3 u ll have protection

24k to 26.5k Health + www bonusses

lets kill clones Weaknesses = % 50 DR for attackers + -vigor etc..

PU = Boost your Mantra`s efficients with aegis + +1 inv time to not be interupted
Self Heal = u can spam #6 skill to heal your self 8k hp every 10 sec with mastery
+ MoC will heal u + 2640 and your clones (wich makes confusing for attacker or clones phantasms take aggro with confusing being healed) = + Survival

Scepter Block + Confusions = Survival as awell
——————————————
cleanse: in every 25.5 sec can cleanse 2*6= 12 theorically in every 2 sec 1 condicleanse
+ Lyssa + confusion weakness on u are not efficient + High Health Pool

scepter block can give 0 to 5k to 12k Damage with every 10 sec
1600 to 1925 condition damage
how tank is he, still have potential to take down enemies..
etc etc

Mobility High to Very High, IF want more instead staff focus with sword?

bla bla bla sorry just bored for now…

so UNBEATABLE.. just i would ignore this build if i see on WvW field..

BUT Why IMBA? is the reward of being lack in large scale groups?

You are right. A full dire bunker PU mesmer is not a good matchup for your zerker thief or mes. So go gank someone else. This is not imbalance, just a matchup issue. And keep in mind too that this build will have real trouble chasing and holding points, and will do limited damage with low crit. So who cares?

on my post I gave my personal opinion to OP why i would not like to fight with face of as above PU mesmer!
and tried to give some numeratic maths..
and it was sarcastic msg so me i said Who will care WvW Prof Balance! there is no environment for it! and i never talked about PvP.
and for wvw point holding check here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-OKwDp-TYM even now its more powerful after last patch