Guild Wars 2

I posted in the mesmer forums, but realized this is probably a better place for this feedback. (no pun intended)

I am excited about the opportunity to try new runes and new builds on my mesmer, however the reliance of travelers runes, or centaur runes for speed to keep up with the pack in WvW, makes me sad.

As someone who replied to my post said, how about changing Compounding Celerity to a 25% speed boost, similar to what was done for engineers with Power shoes.

I think Mesmer’s have no problem investing in either a trait, or a utility skill to get this 25% speed boost, but right now, to get it, we have to really give up creativity in runes.

I don’t think that anet “dislikes” classes, thats not a super constructive way to influence the game, thus my post was my desire to contribute.

Quiggle.4215:

I don’t think that anet “dislikes” classes, thats not a super constructive way to influence the game, thus my post was my desire to contribute.

sry but when i watched the stream they were clearly mocking the mesmer and made it very very clear to me that they cant stand the class. probably they played their godlike warriors vs a skilled mesmer and got destroyed.

The sad part is that you truly believe this. They don’t like a class they created rofl. They are clearly biased. With your biased observation of them all having warriors. Grouch Mains Engineer anybody that semi follows the s/tPvP scene knows this.

From what I remember Chap mains Necro, Jon Peters is warrior, Powerr is Ele but he plays necro also, Grouch is Engi. I don’t know Karl and Roy’s classes.

Mesmer isn’t suppose to have movement speed and is suppose to be weak to conditions that is a part of their designed weakness.

oZii.2864:

The sad part is that you truly believe this. They don’t like a class they created rofl. They are clearly biased. With your biased observation of them all having warriors. Grouch Mains Engineer anybody that semi follows the s/tPvP scene knows this.

From what I remember Chap mains Necro, Jon Peters is warrior, Powerr is Ele but he plays necro also, Grouch is Engi. I don’t know Karl and Roy’s classes.

Mesmer isn’t suppose to have movement speed and is suppose to be weak to conditions that is a part of their designed weakness.

i wouldnt mind the the swiftness and i am very used to it, same with no stability and terrible condi cleanse. but after the countless nerfs we are being ignored and just nerfed further despite the fact that mesmer is condammned to be a stupid veilbot in wvw. they never fixed any of our bugs and one really braking one is the iwarden that is beyond broken and didnt get fixed!
i dont care if they play other classes but it clearly isnt mesmer and also the way they talked about my class was absolutely disrespectful. hahaha cheesy hahaha no clone for u hahahaha purple hahaha chees ahaahahaha no u gotta work a little bit hahaha. how would u feel huh?

selan.8354:

oZii.2864:

The sad part is that you truly believe this. They don’t like a class they created rofl. They are clearly biased. With your biased observation of them all having warriors. Grouch Mains Engineer anybody that semi follows the s/tPvP scene knows this.

From what I remember Chap mains Necro, Jon Peters is warrior, Powerr is Ele but he plays necro also, Grouch is Engi. I don’t know Karl and Roy’s classes.

Mesmer isn’t suppose to have movement speed and is suppose to be weak to conditions that is a part of their designed weakness.

i wouldnt mind the the swiftness and i am very used to it, same with no stability and terrible condi cleanse. but after the countless nerfs we are being ignored and just nerfed further despite the fact that mesmer is condammned to be a stupid veilbot in wvw. they never fixed any of our bugs and one really braking one is the iwarden that is beyond broken and didnt get fixed!
i dont care if they play other classes but it clearly isnt mesmer and also the way they talked about my class was absolutely disrespectful. hahaha cheesy hahaha no clone for u hahahaha purple hahaha chees ahaahahaha no u gotta work a little bit hahaha. how would u feel huh?

They didn’t say mesmer was cheesey they said DE allowed you to cheese it up with on death traits.

oZii.2864:

selan.8354:

oZii.2864:

The sad part is that you truly believe this. They don’t like a class they created rofl. They are clearly biased. With your biased observation of them all having warriors. Grouch Mains Engineer anybody that semi follows the s/tPvP scene knows this.

From what I remember Chap mains Necro, Jon Peters is warrior, Powerr is Ele but he plays necro also, Grouch is Engi. I don’t know Karl and Roy’s classes.

Mesmer isn’t suppose to have movement speed and is suppose to be weak to conditions that is a part of their designed weakness.

i wouldnt mind the the swiftness and i am very used to it, same with no stability and terrible condi cleanse. but after the countless nerfs we are being ignored and just nerfed further despite the fact that mesmer is condammned to be a stupid veilbot in wvw. they never fixed any of our bugs and one really braking one is the iwarden that is beyond broken and didnt get fixed!
i dont care if they play other classes but it clearly isnt mesmer and also the way they talked about my class was absolutely disrespectful. hahaha cheesy hahaha no clone for u hahahaha purple hahaha chees ahaahahaha no u gotta work a little bit hahaha. how would u feel huh?

They didn’t say mesmer was cheesey they said DE allowed you to cheese it up with on death traits.

they said chees it up and yes they they constantly laughed and i felt mocked by them. so stop defending your beloved ones. a lot of other mesmer players felt the exact same way. i felt disrespected and u aint gonna change my opinion on that. and btw back on the topic. i really dont mind changing runes at all i am soo used to the slow speed by now i feel weird when i run fast. the only thing that really bugs me is the no aoe dmg as a light armor class, because everything that the mesmer used to be in wvw got nerfed to the ground of the grounds.
gw1 mes had it right gw2 mes is a complete mess with barely any build variety

selan.8354:

oZii.2864:

selan.8354:

oZii.2864:

The sad part is that you truly believe this. They don’t like a class they created rofl. They are clearly biased. With your biased observation of them all having warriors. Grouch Mains Engineer anybody that semi follows the s/tPvP scene knows this.

From what I remember Chap mains Necro, Jon Peters is warrior, Powerr is Ele but he plays necro also, Grouch is Engi. I don’t know Karl and Roy’s classes.

Mesmer isn’t suppose to have movement speed and is suppose to be weak to conditions that is a part of their designed weakness.

i wouldnt mind the the swiftness and i am very used to it, same with no stability and terrible condi cleanse. but after the countless nerfs we are being ignored and just nerfed further despite the fact that mesmer is condammned to be a stupid veilbot in wvw. they never fixed any of our bugs and one really braking one is the iwarden that is beyond broken and didnt get fixed!
i dont care if they play other classes but it clearly isnt mesmer and also the way they talked about my class was absolutely disrespectful. hahaha cheesy hahaha no clone for u hahahaha purple hahaha chees ahaahahaha no u gotta work a little bit hahaha. how would u feel huh?

They didn’t say mesmer was cheesey they said DE allowed you to cheese it up with on death traits.

they said chees it up and yes they they constantly laughed and i felt mocked by them. so stop defending your beloved ones. a lot of other mesmer players felt the exact same way. i felt disrespected and u aint gonna change my opinion on that. and btw back on the topic. i really dont mind changing runes at all i am soo used to the slow speed by now i feel weird when i run fast. the only thing that really bugs me is the no aoe dmg as a light armor class, because everything that the mesmer used to be in wvw got nerfed to the ground of the grounds.
gw1 mes had it right gw2 mes is a complete mess with barely any build variety

Ok I love them you hate them but we both play their game how funny. Back on topic instead of mindreading the devs and interpreting what they said so you can play the victim card in a video game. I am sure you have probably been told before that you are running cheese or mesmer is cheesy I guess it hurt extra hard cause it came from the devs? You took it more personal? You should do a march on to Anet’s HQ and boycott NCsofts products followed by a sit-in.

oZii.2864:

selan.8354:

oZii.2864:

selan.8354:

oZii.2864:

The sad part is that you truly believe this. They don’t like a class they created rofl. They are clearly biased. With your biased observation of them all having warriors. Grouch Mains Engineer anybody that semi follows the s/tPvP scene knows this.

From what I remember Chap mains Necro, Jon Peters is warrior, Powerr is Ele but he plays necro also, Grouch is Engi. I don’t know Karl and Roy’s classes.

Mesmer isn’t suppose to have movement speed and is suppose to be weak to conditions that is a part of their designed weakness.

i wouldnt mind the the swiftness and i am very used to it, same with no stability and terrible condi cleanse. but after the countless nerfs we are being ignored and just nerfed further despite the fact that mesmer is condammned to be a stupid veilbot in wvw. they never fixed any of our bugs and one really braking one is the iwarden that is beyond broken and didnt get fixed!
i dont care if they play other classes but it clearly isnt mesmer and also the way they talked about my class was absolutely disrespectful. hahaha cheesy hahaha no clone for u hahahaha purple hahaha chees ahaahahaha no u gotta work a little bit hahaha. how would u feel huh?

They didn’t say mesmer was cheesey they said DE allowed you to cheese it up with on death traits.

they said chees it up and yes they they constantly laughed and i felt mocked by them. so stop defending your beloved ones. a lot of other mesmer players felt the exact same way. i felt disrespected and u aint gonna change my opinion on that. and btw back on the topic. i really dont mind changing runes at all i am soo used to the slow speed by now i feel weird when i run fast. the only thing that really bugs me is the no aoe dmg as a light armor class, because everything that the mesmer used to be in wvw got nerfed to the ground of the grounds.
gw1 mes had it right gw2 mes is a complete mess with barely any build variety

Ok I love them you hate them but we both play their game how funny. Back on topic instead of mindreading the devs and interpreting what they said so you can play the victim card in a video game. I am sure you have probably been told before that you are running cheese or mesmer is cheesy I guess it hurt extra hard cause it came from the devs? You took it more personal? You should do a march on to Anet’s HQ and boycott NCsofts products followed by a sit-in.

i actually do like the devs, but this time i just felt disrespected.the way they talked about the mesmer and also the cluelessness of them surprised many of us. before i was always hopeful and did defend the devs quiet often.
but u gotta see, lots of our bugs havent been even adressed and our problem in wvw raids are completely ignored. im frustrated with being a veilbot. thats why i was forced to reroll so i can at least enjoy my favorite game mode again. i have no problems with people calling out chees builds. i barely use them i tried phantasm build once before all the nerfs and found it boring. i ran different hybrid builds and some very high skilled builds, but also meta builds like glamour.
i have 5 different armor sets with different runes and different builds and i keep experimenting. clone death is a very active build as u have to kite,time your dodges and blinks carefully,if played right. so being called out cheese is not really professional.
if it comes from a player, no problem, but being laughed at and mocked by the devs and thats how many of us felt, is not cool. makes me not trust in them at all anymore and i fear now that i will be condammned to be a veilbot for this entire year.

I’m not trying to talk about the devs hating any classes, it was just a constructive request, please don’t derail it.

I don’t recall reading that it was a supposed weakness, it’s just that it IS currently a weakness. I’d like to just keep up with the group, not be left behind.

The funny thing is, IN combat, we have a trait that gives us 30% speed. So in a battle, we can be faster than the 25% opponent, but we have to really work to make it from point A to point B, seems like an oversight.

selan.8354:

gw2 mes is a complete mess with barely any build variety

Maybe I can help you with that.

A few current builds that are viable with my opinion on required skill level.

Shatter – this requires very little knowledge of the class or skill. Just gs4, swap, sword 4 then 3 then 5 then 3 then 2+F1 for mindwrack. Then pop decoy and mirror images + F2 for cry of frustration that stacks confusion to 8+ and watch them self-knockout with their lack of hp.
Phantasm- a little bit harder, yet easier if you understand the class some more. Throw in same weapons and same idea, but don’t ever shatter and make sure to stay out of sight of target until you need to replace one of the phantasms which have +70% hp from trait and signet.
PU condition mesmer- super easy, just stealth for protection and make sure to have plenty of on-death clone traits.
Pure condition mesmer- harder if you don’t understand the class and can’t stay hidden. Clones apply cripple,confusion, and a random condition on death.
Hybrid condi/support mesmer- same difficulty as Pure condition but has extra team utility. Clones have retaliation, apply regeneration to nearby allies and apply random conditions.
Those are just a few. =)

Playing my Mesmer since launch, I totally feel I have no choice but the use Traveler’s Runes in almost every Mesmer build for WvW. I have tried other runes in the past and would love to try new runes in the future but I keep coming back to Travelers.

Anything else is really too slow and not all builds work with focus. Focus swiftness is also too short and doesn’t stack with other forms of swiftness either. Centaur runes are still only viable in a few builds and again, don’t provide 100% swiftness (without cheesing it with a cold potion).

At least you are not alone with guardians necros being rather slow as well.

Mightymealworm.8409:

At least you are not alone with guardians necros being rather slow as well.

Guards can easily acheive perm swiftness without runes…. Necros have a movement speed signet… all is vain.