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Posted by: unlucky.9285

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since running away is not a counter to litch then neither is it an acceptable counter to stances/ immunity’s that do not lower damage/block you from heals/or take away utilities and/or skills.

so to be fair please give stances/ immune skills with 0 drawbacks a 1 second cast time with a big glowing animation so we at least have some counter play to them thank you.

alternatively make them reduce damage/condi duration by a % maybe it increases as your health gets lower so you can’t die with it on but you cant literally stop people being able to do anything while its up

that or at least give litch its 30 second duration for gods sake…. it has been over nerfed

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Posted by: Blackhat.4016

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since running away is not a counter to litch then neither is it an acceptable counter to stances/ immunity’s that do not lower damage/block you from heals/or take away utilities and/or skills.

so to be fair please give stances/ immune skills with 0 drawbacks a 1 second cast time with a big glowing animation so we at least have some counter play to them thank you.

alternatively make them reduce damage/condi duration by a % maybe it increases as your health gets lower so you can’t die with it on but you cant literally stop people being able to do anything while its up

that or at least give litch its 30 second duration for gods sake…. it has been over nerfed

That’s all I could understand. Not trying to be mean or anything but what are you trying to tell me?

The last sentence says you want Lich Form to be buffed so I guess you think it will be UP after the nerf.

What I think the rest of your post means:

- you can’t use utility skills while in Lich Form
-> give Lich Form some utility skills with a 1 sec CT and an obvious animation
-> alternatively reduced damage + condition duration which gets better the lower your health is

I hope that’s what you’re saying.

Here are my thoughts about Lich Form:

- it has too much burst potential atm
-> nerf the damage (which they will do in the next patch)
- I don’t understand why they nerf the 30 sec duration either since most necros don’t stay in Lich Form until it ends
-> completely agree with you here

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

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Probably because people can steal or copy the 30s of Stab, which shouldn’t really happen.

Gotta be careful of dem Mimic Mesmers… sigh

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

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Funny part about it is that it’s going to get even more burst potential with the incoming changes. The DPH is going to be increased even further as compensation for the reduced duration.

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Posted by: TheLastNobody.8319

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Funny part about it is that it’s going to get even more burst potential with the incoming changes. The DPH is going to be increased even further as compensation for the reduced duration.

Yes but Lich will no longer be able to proc outside damage sources, so things like sigils, runes, chill of death, even the infamous wellbombs, will all pretty much become null and void. Which I agree, that should not have been possible in the first place….but lord give us necros something in return. -_-

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Posted by: warriorjrd.8695

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Probably because people can steal or copy the 30s of Stab, which shouldn’t really happen.

Gotta be careful of dem Mimic Mesmers… sigh

Too bad I can’t steal your double endure pain or 10s of condition immunity, if only, how the tables would turn…


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Probably because people can steal or copy the 30s of Stab, which shouldn’t really happen.

Gotta be careful of dem Mimic Mesmers… sigh

Too bad I can’t steal your double endure pain or 10s of condition immunity, if only, how the tables would turn…

You realize I’m a Mesmer main, right?

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Posted by: Carighan.6758

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Lich Form is difficult to balance. In a situation where a friendly player is holding the target in place or in PvE it’s incredibly strong. But its projectiles are slow as hell and well-telegraphed on all attacks, so without that it’s really weak.

It’s basically artillery. In GW2.

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Posted by: warriorjrd.8695

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Probably because people can steal or copy the 30s of Stab, which shouldn’t really happen.

Gotta be careful of dem Mimic Mesmers… sigh

Too bad I can’t steal your double endure pain or 10s of condition immunity, if only, how the tables would turn…

You realize I’m a Mesmer main, right?

Doesn’t matter what class you play, it was a terrible argument defending stances.


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Posted by: Esplen.3940

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Probably because people can steal or copy the 30s of Stab, which shouldn’t really happen.

Gotta be careful of dem Mimic Mesmers… sigh

Too bad I can’t steal your double endure pain or 10s of condition immunity, if only, how the tables would turn…

You realize I’m a Mesmer main, right?

Doesn’t matter what class you play, it was a terrible argument defending stances.

Except, you know, the Stability lasts for the duration of the skill but ends when you cancel the form. By copying or stealing the boon, you’re getting something better than what the Necromancer gets. The fact that most people don’t use it for the full duration only helps apply it as an indirect nerf to others.

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Posted by: warriorjrd.8695

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Probably because people can steal or copy the 30s of Stab, which shouldn’t really happen.

Gotta be careful of dem Mimic Mesmers… sigh

Too bad I can’t steal your double endure pain or 10s of condition immunity, if only, how the tables would turn…

You realize I’m a Mesmer main, right?

Doesn’t matter what class you play, it was a terrible argument defending stances.

Except, you know, the Stability lasts for the duration of the skill but ends when you cancel the form. By copying or stealing the boon, you’re getting something better than what the Necromancer gets. The fact that most people don’t use it for the full duration only helps apply it as an indirect nerf to others.

That’s one stance, it’s it’s the least complained about stance, nobody cares about balanced stance.. lol. Endure pain and beserker stance offers full immunity and every warrior’s response is to wait it out or run away, but the same doesn’t apply with lich? You can’t steal endure pain or beserkers stance so there is no counter to them other than to wait it out and kite.


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Posted by: Esplen.3940

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Why are you talking about stances and balanced stances? I’m talking about Lich Form.

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Posted by: warriorjrd.8695

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Why are you talking about stances and balanced stances? I’m talking about Lich Form.

The way the OP was comparing it to stances and your initial reply made me think you were talking about stances, =p


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Posted by: Esplen.3940

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Why are you talking about stances and balanced stances? I’m talking about Lich Form.

The way the OP was comparing it to stances and your initial reply made me think you were talking about stances, =p

since running away is not a counter to litch then neither is it an acceptable counter to stances/ immunity’s that do not lower damage/block you from heals/or take away utilities and/or skills.

so to be fair please give stances/ immune skills with 0 drawbacks a 1 second cast time with a big glowing animation so we at least have some counter play to them thank you.

alternatively make them reduce damage/condi duration by a % maybe it increases as your health gets lower so you can’t die with it on but you cant literally stop people being able to do anything while its up

that or at least give litch its 30 second duration for gods sake…. it has been over nerfed

That’s all I could understand. Not trying to be mean or anything but what are you trying to tell me?

The last sentence says you want Lich Form to be buffed so I guess you think it will be UP after the nerf.

What I think the rest of your post means:

- you can’t use utility skills while in Lich Form
-> give Lich Form some utility skills with a 1 sec CT and an obvious animation
-> alternatively reduced damage + condition duration which gets better the lower your health is

I hope that’s what you’re saying.

Here are my thoughts about Lich Form:

- it has too much burst potential atm
-> nerf the damage (which they will do in the next patch)
- I don’t understand why they nerf the 30 sec duration either since most necros don’t stay in Lich Form until it ends
-> completely agree with you here

:)

Probably because people can steal or copy the 30s of Stab, which shouldn’t really happen.

Gotta be careful of dem Mimic Mesmers… sigh

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Posted by: unlucky.9285

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i made the comparison because they seem to think lich is op and are nerfing it into the ground even tho it does not track with its auto attack so it is easy to kite at a distance, you can kill it, reflect it, steal the stability and cc it. but total immunity that does not hinder you in some way is perfectly fine.

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Posted by: unlucky.9285

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plus im sick of warriors going oh.. a necro pops win button presses f1 5 4 3 2 with hammer kills necro no problem because they literally couldn’t do anything