Guild Wars 2

I’ll state that I like the achievement system. Everything that has been done and that is coming soon. I am glad we have so many choices for completing the daily achievements.

Being in the top 500 achievers, I dislike grinding all achievements in the daily to stay competitive with the top people in the achievement leader-boards.

I do enjoy all the variety of activities, but don’t like spending the 2-3 hours that I play just trying to get the achievement points. I like doing lots of various activities, however I end up focusing on the achievement activities rather than on things I enjoy more than others.

I’ve been thinking for a while, that it would be nice if the daily PVE achievements capped out at 5, with number required for the daily. This would definitely give me some sanity and would help even out the achievement point gain for more casual types that just want their laurels and mystic coins.

Granted, it is a choice that I make, so take this with a grain of salt. I only make this is a suggestion and to hear what peoples thoughts on it are.

What are your thoughts on this?

SynfulChaot.3169:

Does it matter how high one’s personal achievement points are at? So long as you have enough to get what you want, does the number matter?

Apparently it does. If people care about the personal AP it’s their choice and their way of playing this game. Just because you don’t care doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t either.

Xenlai.8694:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Does it matter how high one’s personal achievement points are at? So long as you have enough to get what you want, does the number matter?

Apparently it does. If people care about the personal AP it’s their choice and their way of playing this game. Just because you don’t care doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t either.

I didn’t say they should not. But capping will slow everyone down. Most that would want that already have lots of points so their reason would be so they can stay ahead of others and slow them down. And that’s kinda not cool.

If you want to have a high score, good for you. If you want the high score by keeping others from catching up? That’s just being a total kitten.

Chimerael.2361:

I’ve been thinking for a while, that it would be nice if the daily PVE achievements capped out at 5, with number required for the daily. This would definitely give me some sanity and would help even out the achievement point gain for more casual types that just want their laurels and mystic coins.

What are your thoughts on this?

Why should it have a cap ? People want to do extra, its their choice, they do extra work without additional reward. If you want only do 5 but other people want to do 10, why should we limit it to 5 ?

It is just like you play other RPG, you have optional quest, you have main quest. You don’t need to do optional quest, but if you do, you gain something extra. This extra daily achievement works like that (although its only give you 1 extra AP point (beside EXP)).

Selfish people. Selfish people everywhere.

Why must you make the game more restrictive for others for your own personal benefits.. I gotta lol on this.

MMO is serious business for some. Too serious.

OP is too concerned to preserve is top 500 ranks to the point to ask a change of rules to help him keep his rank ____

I think you should play for fun and not for a rank….

LordByron.8369:

OP is too concerned to preserve is top 500 ranks to the point to ask a change of rules to help him keep his rank ____

I think you should play for fun and not for a rank….

Agreed. If you’re not enjoying what you do, then why are you doing it in the first place?

Don’t worry people, the rewards will be the same useless skins which almost nobody will use, similar to the HoM rewards from GW1.

Ronah.2869:

Don’t worry people, the rewards will be the same useless skins which almost nobody will use, similar to the HoM rewards from GW1.

It also comes with items similar to what one would find from WvW reward chests.

I definitely posed the question out my selfish desire to play less specifically to horde achievement points. I would like to play less for achievement points and more to have fun. I don’t mind achievement points being a part of that, not just all of it.

However, I do not mention what I do, because I want to maintain my lead above others. I personally could care less about keeping the additional achievement points that I’ve gained for the dailies.

I really wouldn’t mind seeing them capped retro-actively, to level the playing field a bit. That’s just me tho, but I’m sure there are others that would be irked about losing the extra’s they have gained.

My main intention was that this would help keep a better balance temporary achievement point accrual between the hardcore and the casual. You guys bring up some very valid points for things I didn’t even think of. You can’t really have this without doing other things to make things fair for everyone. (e.g past points gained)

In the end, the problem is more complicated that I thought.

Thank you for posting great feedback.

Xenlai.8694:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Does it matter how high one’s personal achievement points are at? So long as you have enough to get what you want, does the number matter?

Apparently it does. If people care about the personal AP it’s their choice and their way of playing this game. Just because you don’t care doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t either.

At the same time, many of us like being able to easily increase our AP, why should we be punished because someone wants to keep their’s as close to the top as possible?

Chimerael.2361:

I’ll state that I like the achievement system. Everything that has been done and that is coming soon. I am glad we have so many choices for completing the daily achievements.

Being in the top 500 achievers, I dislike grinding all achievements in the daily to stay competitive with the top people in the achievement leader-boards.

I do enjoy all the variety of activities, but don’t like spending the 2-3 hours that I play just trying to get the achievement points. I like doing lots of various activities, however I end up focusing on the achievement activities rather than on things I enjoy more than others.

I’ve been thinking for a while, that it would be nice if the daily PVE achievements capped out at 5, with number required for the daily. This would definitely give me some sanity and would help even out the achievement point gain for more casual types that just want their laurels and mystic coins.

Granted, it is a choice that I make, so take this with a grain of salt. I only make this is a suggestion and to hear what peoples thoughts on it are.

What are your thoughts on this?

Because you take things to an excess you want it capped?

Well if you can’t manage yourself get some one else to do it, I guess.

Chimerael.2361:

What are your thoughts on this?

No.

I’m perfectly okay with putting a cap on daily achievements granting achievement points… but only on the condition that all daily achievements give 0 achievement points. (and all past daily achievement points will be removed from your current total)

Ronah.2869:

Don’t worry people, the rewards will be the same useless skins which almost nobody will use, similar to the HoM rewards from GW1.

:( I use some of the HoM rewards. Also i vote for leaving the Daily AP system the way it is. If someone wants to do the extra dailys over the 5 than they should be getting more. If you are a casual player than you should probably come to face the fact that you will not be rewarded as fast as a “hardcore” player.

I’m terrible at jumping, don’t do many dungeons due to amount of skill required for an older guy, but I love doing the dailies/monthlies and have done so since the recent change. Why should I be left with very few achievement points daily over someone that has done all the jumping/dungeons and has played for less than a month?

I play the game too you know and have done so since the beta! If you want to remain in the top 500 then you will just have to suck it up and make your play time a job, but not me.

P.S. for all we know at this point they could cap out at 5k or be so meaningless that fighting over who has the biggest kitten is dense.

Chimerael.2361:

Being in the top 500 achievers, I dislike grinding all achievements in the daily to stay competitive with the top people in the achievement leader-boards.

So you’re saying you shouldn’t have to work to be on a leaderboard? o__O;
I get that it feels grindy, it does, but it’s not exactly a terribly action packed leaderboard to be on…

Dailies are a rotating and constantly refreshing source of points, whereas the other achievement categories are static – once you’ve finished them, they’re finished; without dailies the only source of new achievement points would be from new living story content, new jumping puzzles, etc (which the folks on the leaderboard invariably all do anyways), and were it not for how ridiculously time-consuming some categories are now, eventually everyone on the leaderboards now would pretty much have the same score, because we’d eventually have all the achievements and the numbers would only change when new content came out before stabilizing again. So it’s pretty clear that points from dailies aren’t ever going away.

The fact that 6 of the 15 possible points available from dailies (and 30 of the points from monthlies) are optional means that the people who are crazy enough to care about maintaining their spot on the leaderboard have more work cut out for them, but it also means people who don’t necessarily care about that can get anywhere from 4-15 points, possibly without particularly trying. Capping dailies to 5 points cuts down on the work you need to do to stay competitive with other people on the leaderboards sure, but it also punishes EVERYONE across the board in terms of how many potential points they can earn, and as the devs describe the new system, it’s based on your overall points.

Any suggestion that makes it harder to actually get points is therefore a bad idea and you should stop suggesting them. The end.

Gildan Bladeborn.2198:

Dailies are a rotating and constantly refreshing source of points, whereas the other achievement categories are static – once you’ve finished them, they’re finished; without dailies the only source of new achievement points would be from new living story content, new jumping puzzles, etc (which the folks on the leaderboard invariably all do anyways), and were it not for how ridiculously time-consuming some categories are now, eventually everyone on the leaderboards now would pretty much have the same score, because we’d eventually have all the achievements and the numbers would only change when new content came out before stabilizing again. So it’s pretty clear that points from dailies aren’t ever going away.

WoW doesnt have any daily achievements and their AP leaderboards are hardly stabilized. Ever. And they also release new content less frequently than GW2. You can add less achievements but make them more substantial than just spam of “feats” like “Talk with Mai Trin”. While I prefer GW2 overall, in case of achievements system WoW > GW2. My 3c.

PS. I know a guy who spent around 20,000 hours playing WoW and he also tries to get as much achievements as possible and he was never maxed. In fact not even close.

Just… stop grinding the dailies, I was somewhere between top 300 and 400, then I realized how stupid this is and that from some point its all about grinding dailies, so I stopped farming the points, within two weeks I naturally dropped under top 1000 but who cares, play for fun not for grind.
At least if the grind would result in some real accomplishment like GWAMM but GW2 achievements are -apart of a few exceptions- just dumb.
Have you noticed that people prefer to show off their GW1 achievements even if they got like 8 or 9k points, they still choose to display a G1 title. Its because G2 acheivements are so casual and dumbed down that even people who have them all choose not to display them. >.<
And I’m not hating on GW2 i actually enjoy this game most of the time, but did I ever feel challenged or did I ever feel some kind of accomplishment in this game? nope… well maybe apart of Mad King Tower that thing was crazy but other than that meh.

LordByron.8369:

OP is too concerned to preserve is top 500 ranks to the point to ask a change of rules to help him keep his rank ____

I think you should play for fun and not for a rank….

There problem start, they don’t play here THEY LIVE HERE !!

As someone who tries to get all the dailies like OP, I would much enjoy a cap on daily achievements. It means I would no longer need to do potentially time-consuming achievements like WvW achievements.

The funny thing is that making a cap will make it easier for more casual players to be competitive in achievements. Yet people are attacking OP and saying he’s just trying to maintain his lead. Under the current system hardcore achievement hunters like OP and myself are making our leads on other players higher by doing more dailies.

Kojiden.8405:

As someone who tries to get all the dailies like OP, I would much enjoy a cap on daily achievements. It means I would no longer need to do potentially time-consuming achievements like WvW achievements.

The funny thing is that making a cap will make it easier for more casual players to be competitive in achievements. Yet people are attacking OP and saying he’s just trying to maintain his lead. Under the current system hardcore achievement hunters like OP and myself are making our leads on other players higher by doing more dailies.

but we love to see you and OP wasting your time pointlessly

Kojiden.8405:

As someone who tries to get all the dailies like OP, I would much enjoy a cap on daily achievements. It means I would no longer need to do potentially time-consuming achievements like WvW achievements.

The funny thing is that making a cap will make it easier for more casual players to be competitive in achievements. Yet people are attacking OP and saying he’s just trying to maintain his lead. Under the current system hardcore achievement hunters like OP and myself are making our leads on other players higher by doing more dailies.

Agree on that. But what can I know? I’m in top 200, or top 150 – I don’t really know or care -_-

the whole point in giving us the daylie for 5 of 10 is to enable us to play the game as we want. This is not the case when you still get points for achievement 6-10. People feel forced to do this in order to compete with the best. So I 100% agree with the OP.

The best on the Leaderboards should be people who got also the harder achievements (not the daylies/monthlies but e.g. difficult WvW achievements), not the guys who are able to play 24/7, have no job and commit every minute to the game.

I just dont get why you care about the leader-board >.> all it shows is that you are crazy and do every single daily and monthly there is, nothing more…

Just make a screen-shot of your position and stop grinding, thats what I did and i can tell you i have much more fun since then o.O

Caping the dailies makes no difference it would still be a completely irrelevant leaderboard and still only people who log in every single day would be able to be there, either dailies shouldnt count at all or all dailies count, but searching for some middle ground wont help.

Talk about WoW, I talk about it clone RIFT. RIFT has leaderboard, its leaderboard is based on player activity, the more you do the activity, the your rank will be higher.

So why should you limit daily PvE achievement ? If you hardcore and want to do all, of course your rank will be higher (get more AP) as you do more activity, but if you dont want to do all, your rank will be lower.

Maybe Anet should make daily becomes 250 (or more) daily in it and make leaderboard to show who is the most hardcore player.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

the whole point in giving us the daylie for 5 of 10 is to enable us to play the game as we want. This is not the case when you still get points for achievement 6-10. People feel forced to do this in order to compete with the best. So I 100% agree with the OP.

Who force you ? Anet ? Other player ? No, its you. Especially if you want to be in those 500.

But you see ? This good. Why ? It brings competition. (imagine if daily cap or not count, you get all achievements, other people get all achievements, the leaderboard becomes stagnant.)

Esplen.3940:

It also comes with items similar to what one would find from WvW reward chests.

So does killing miscellaneous creatures. :P

Also I find it amusing there are leaderboards for this. Never even noticed.

I can’t say that I agree with the OP. You have choices. You can play the game how you like to play it and if that includes activities that get you achievement points, then great! If you find yourself doing things you don’t enjoy all for the sake of points then that is your decision as well. Why not just get them as you do stuff you like doing? Trying to limit others means of getting points because you feel compelled to do it is akin to saying we should only be able to buy “X” amount of gems on the store per day because you can’t control yourself when you buy them. Self control is up to the player, not the company.

Kojiden.8405:

As someone who tries to get all the dailies like OP, I would much enjoy a cap on daily achievements. It means I would no longer need to do potentially time-consuming achievements like WvW achievements.

The funny thing is that making a cap will make it easier for more casual players to be competitive in achievements. Yet people are attacking OP and saying he’s just trying to maintain his lead. Under the current system hardcore achievement hunters like OP and myself are making our leads on other players higher by doing more dailies.

This is exactly the issue. People are all screaming “if you want to maintain that lead, you must work for it!” Instead, I don’t think people are really grasping the fact that without a cap, there is going to be a much bigger gap between the people grinding the extra few each day and the casual player. Just looking at a single month of doing each daily:

The casual player is going to net 150 achievement points.

For an achievement hunter doing both PvE and PvP dailies (all of them) they are going to net 450 (3x the amount as the casual).

This gap is going to just keep increasing each month, with no chance of anyone playing casually to catch up. This would make other achievements like jumping puzzles and PvP kills, or even fractal achievements actually worth something. Now you have a hardcore player getting capped at 5, a casual player getting their 5, and the only difference between the two that month is that maybe one of them was able to complete the new JP and the other was not. (Maybe the hardcore player sucks at jumping and now the casual player has taken a small lead)

TLDR: I agree with capping the amount of points awarded daily. This would keep the inflation of these points down. Now that they are going to be worth something, getting to the rewards will feel much more rewarding, much less grindy.

When Bazaar patch is released,all those with who have 10k achievement points or more will get a complimentary precursor of their choice.
I hope this becomes a reality and a permanent reward so that everyone will eventually get a precursor if they play long enuff. Since there is only 3 methods (Mystic forge(RNG),treasure chest(RNG),buying from TP)

When you do PvE dailies, you won’t get also the PvP laurel and vice-versa.

Why not letting people to get both?
So no one feels forced to do either to get another laurel, and there’s not a big gap between those who do what they can, and those who do everything.

This is basically the same principle, so it makes sense.

But I would not put the cap as the 5 and 4 from PvE and PvP.

I’ll put them all together and set a cap for both of 10. You’ll be able to get up to 10 daily achievement points from whatever you want to do among WvW, PvE and PvP, and one laurel from doing all the minimum dailies from any of them.

I really don’t get the argument that casual players need to catch up. And why make a big deal about daily and monthly achievement points that everyone who plays the game can get every single day, but not time limited achievements that go away? Even if you cap points at 5 for a day a new/casual player who missed some events will never be able to catch up anyways.

I just don’t see what purpose it would serve. There is always going to be some one new, and there is always going to be the hardcore players. The way it’s set up now the game caters to both. If you’re new and want to “catch up” you can work to get as many points as you can in a day/month. If you’re hardcore and want to go for a top 100 spot on the leader board you can do the same. If you’re casual you probably don’t care either way. It’s fair.

Ya know, I think the people who claim new and casual players need to catch up are the same ones who think it needs to take 1+ years to make a legendary weapon and that RNG is a good game mechanic.

No one is forcing you to grind those dailies everyday to maintain a rank on achievements, that no really care about.

It is your choice to do this, there are more pressing things that need to be done with achievements such as many of them being too time consuming for just 1 achievement point.

This is such a non issue, I have my dailies (except the wvw) done within 2 hours, and that’s all of them, not just the 5/5. It’s part of being on top. It’s like suggesting that a pro athlete shouldn’t have to practice to stay on top.