Guild Wars 2

Mr Hyde.3514:

Do as you want. Theres always be whiny little girls, who want get ALL ACHIEVEMENT IN THE WORLD but they cant even try properly.

Have you not read that many are unable to win outside of extreme luck due to lag/latency issues completely outside of their control, despite trying extremely hard?

Razor.9872:

SynfulChaot.3169:

By definition itself, the act is still selfish. That is simply the nature of competition. It is neither inherently good nor inherently bad.

Not saying this is what everyone should do, mind you, but if you were strictly trying for challenge, getting there first but not taking the win should suffice for the challenge.

I’m not so sure. To be selfish, one would have to be “Lacking consideration for others” as the definition states. Personally, when I’m in first, I’m not lacking consideration; I’m always considering the success of those around me. The difference being: I don’t act on that (always).

Being selfish is putting consideration for oneself above consideration of others, to the point to the point of adversely affecting others. In a competition this is true. Competitions are build around the concept of selfishness. Again, this is neither inherently good nor inherently bad. It is just the nature of competition.

Kexin.5946:

I’ve been wondering about the events, in particular the event of Sanctum Sprint.
As I was participating in these events for the achievement, someone said to us “Plz winner leave no winner x2 leave plz stop winner x2 stupid noob fsxk i need acheivnmtnz” or something along those lines.

Now, seeing someone whine like this just made me want to beat him more, troll him more. But I was wondering what the general consensus was: Should we just people who want to win… win?

And is there some sort of expectation that “winner” should “leave plz no winner x2” nowadays?

Theres some expectations, but you are in your right to win when you want. If you dont win on purpose, you are doing a favor. The anormal you heard in that race mistoke the favor of letting others win, with some kind of obligation.
Personally if i heard someone said that i will send him to play old mario bross or get pingzapper… lol

SynfulChaot.3169:

Mr Hyde.3514:

Do as you want. Theres always be whiny little girls, who want get ALL ACHIEVEMENT IN THE WORLD but they cant even try properly.

Have you not read that many are unable to win outside of extreme luck due to lag/latency issues completely outside of their control, despite trying extremely hard?

Razor.9872:

SynfulChaot.3169:

By definition itself, the act is still selfish. That is simply the nature of competition. It is neither inherently good nor inherently bad.

Not saying this is what everyone should do, mind you, but if you were strictly trying for challenge, getting there first but not taking the win should suffice for the challenge.

I’m not so sure. To be selfish, one would have to be “Lacking consideration for others” as the definition states. Personally, when I’m in first, I’m not lacking consideration; I’m always considering the success of those around me. The difference being: I don’t act on that (always).

Being selfish is putting consideration for oneself above consideration of others, to the point to the point of adversely affecting others. In a competition this is true. Competitions are build around the concept of selfishness. Again, this is neither inherently good nor inherently bad. It is just the nature of competition.

Not according to Google’s definition.

Razor.9872:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Being selfish is putting consideration for oneself above consideration of others, to the point to the point of adversely affecting others. In a competition this is true. Competitions are build around the concept of selfishness. Again, this is neither inherently good nor inherently bad. It is just the nature of competition.

Not according to Google’s definition.

I went with the Oxford definition as Google has never been an authority on language.

1. a. Devoted to or concerned with one’s own advantage or welfare to the exclusion of regard for others.

By that definition, winning is selfish. And again, that is not a bad thing. It is simply the nature of the beast.

I’m not saying that one should always allow others to win. I’m not saying that it is bad if you choose to always win. I’m simply saying that winning is selfish by nature.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Razor.9872:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Being selfish is putting consideration for oneself above consideration of others, to the point to the point of adversely affecting others. In a competition this is true. Competitions are build around the concept of selfishness. Again, this is neither inherently good nor inherently bad. It is just the nature of competition.

Not according to Google’s definition.

I went with the Oxford definition as Google has never been an authority on language.

1. a. Devoted to or concerned with one’s own advantage or welfare to the exclusion of regard for others.

By that definition, winning is selfish. And again, that is not a bad thing. It is simply the nature of the beast.

I’m not saying that one should always allow others to win. I’m not saying that it is bad if you choose to always win. I’m simply saying that winning is selfish by nature.

While I agree with everything else here, I still want to point out, now, that it conflicts with Oxford’s definition as well, seeing as Oxford’s and Google’s definitions are both the same. To be selfish, as both organizations state, one will have to be “lacking consideration for others.” Again, being in a solo competitive scene in which you choose to win, does not make you, or anyone, selfish.

Razor.9872:

SynfulChaot.3169:

I went with the Oxford definition as Google has never been an authority on language.

1. a. Devoted to or concerned with one’s own advantage or welfare to the exclusion of regard for others.

By that definition, winning is selfish. And again, that is not a bad thing. It is simply the nature of the beast.

I’m not saying that one should always allow others to win. I’m not saying that it is bad if you choose to always win. I’m simply saying that winning is selfish by nature.

While I agree with everything else here, I still want to point out, now, that it conflicts with Oxford’s definition as well, seeing as Oxford’s and Google’s definitions are both the same. To be selfish, as both organizations state, one will have to be “lacking consideration for others.” Again, being in a solo competitive scene in which you choose to win, does not make you, or anyone, selfish.

Umm … how is winning and denying others victory not ‘to the exclusion of regard for others’?

It is. You are not considering others when you win. And again, that is just the nature of competition. It is not wrong to win. But it is selfish.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Razor.9872:

SynfulChaot.3169:

I went with the Oxford definition as Google has never been an authority on language.

1. a. Devoted to or concerned with one’s own advantage or welfare to the exclusion of regard for others.

By that definition, winning is selfish. And again, that is not a bad thing. It is simply the nature of the beast.

I’m not saying that one should always allow others to win. I’m not saying that it is bad if you choose to always win. I’m simply saying that winning is selfish by nature.

While I agree with everything else here, I still want to point out, now, that it conflicts with Oxford’s definition as well, seeing as Oxford’s and Google’s definitions are both the same. To be selfish, as both organizations state, one will have to be “lacking consideration for others.” Again, being in a solo competitive scene in which you choose to win, does not make you, or anyone, selfish.

Umm … how is winning and denying others victory not ‘to the exclusion of regard for others’?

It is. You are not considering others when you win. And again, that is just the nature of competition. It is not wrong to win. But it is selfish.

I don’t see how winning prohibits me from considering others. As I stated earlier, I do in-fact consider others’ success while in first. Whether I act on that chain of thought is a different story. As the definitions state, in order to be selfish, one must lack a consideration of others. While I am sure there are some who do, placing first plays no part in that final outcome.

Razor.9872:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Umm … how is winning and denying others victory not ‘to the exclusion of regard for others’?

It is. You are not considering others when you win. And again, that is just the nature of competition. It is not wrong to win. But it is selfish.

I don’t see how winning prohibits me from considering others. As I stated earlier, I do in-fact consider others’ success while in first. Whether I act on that chain of thought is a different story. As the definitions state, in order to be selfish, one must lack a consideration of others. While I am sure there are some who do, placing first plays no part in that final outcome.

I’m sorry, but just ‘considering’ others then not acting on that ‘consideration’ is still selfish. Using that logic anyone acting selfish can use that as a defense to say they are not. Selfishness is selfishness.

And again, all selfishness is not inherently bad. This is a competition, where we reward selfishness. That is the point of a competition.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Razor.9872:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Umm … how is winning and denying others victory not ‘to the exclusion of regard for others’?

It is. You are not considering others when you win. And again, that is just the nature of competition. It is not wrong to win. But it is selfish.

I don’t see how winning prohibits me from considering others. As I stated earlier, I do in-fact consider others’ success while in first. Whether I act on that chain of thought is a different story. As the definitions state, in order to be selfish, one must lack a consideration of others. While I am sure there are some who do, placing first plays no part in that final outcome.

I’m sorry, but just ‘considering’ others then not acting on that ‘consideration’ is still selfish. Using that logic anyone acting selfish can use that as a defense to say they are not. Selfishness is selfishness.

And again, all selfishness is not inherently bad. This is a competition, where we reward selfishness. That is the point of a competition.

The definitions have no mention of whether choosing to act or not applies the term “selfish.” Merely assuming so is illogical. The definitions do state that you must have a lack of consideration to be selfish. Therefore, Many sprint champions are not selfish.

Razor.9872:

The definitions have no mention of whether choosing to act or not applies the term “selfish.” Merely assuming so is illogical. The definitions do state that you must have a lack of consideration to be selfish. Therefore, Many sprint champions are not selfish.

I disagree on that, but I think we’ll need to agree to disagree at this point.

Personally, I feel that the biggest misconception there seems to be revolves around the idea of the race being competitive. The race may be a competition, but it’s often not competitive at all.

There are those who can’t race properly due to technical or physical reasons. There are those who are at their skill cap and find that, at said cap, they just have absolutely no chance of winning. With the way the race is structured, however, none of that matteres. Everyone is thrown into the exact same race with the exact same conditions, and no allowances are made for any differences in ability.

Now, whether to cede first place or a top three placing is up to the individual racer, but it’s a mistake to think that juse because you are always coming in first it’s because you’re legitimately beating everyone or anyone. This is even more true if you’re doing it repeatedly against the same group of players.

I suppose the simplest example is to say you may be consistently winning a 100 metre sprint, but you may be doing so (perhaps unbeknownst to you) against 11 other people who are on crutches or in wheelchairs. Now, is that really competitive? Is it really an achievement?

SynfulChaot.3169:

Technically coming in first every time is selfish. Yes, it is supposed to be competitive. Yes, it is PvP. But by strict dictionary definition, wanting to win each and every time in a solo competition is selfish.

That isn’t necessarily a bad thing. That is the point of competition for many. But that doesn’t change the meaning of the word.

SynfulChaot.3169:

I’ve not really called those players selfish.

Thank you for biting.

StriderShinryu.6923:

I suppose the simplest example is to say you may be consistently winning a 100 metre sprint, but you may be doing so (perhaps unbeknownst to you) against 11 other people who are on crutches or in wheelchairs.

That is known as a mismatch, it is still competitive.
Competitions are simply never perfectly fair as competitors all have different skill levels, you could’ve taken a few real world examples of mismatches instead, such as the Man. Utd – Ipswich football match, or Eddie the eagle, or eric the eel.
My personal favourite however is stephen bradbury, a australian ice skater who won a olympic gold medal after all the other opponents in the finals had fallen right before the finish line.

However claiming it is not competitive due to each person having different conditions? That is just silly.

Lue.6538:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Technically coming in first every time is selfish. Yes, it is supposed to be competitive. Yes, it is PvP. But by strict dictionary definition, wanting to win each and every time in a solo competition is selfish.

That isn’t necessarily a bad thing. That is the point of competition for many. But that doesn’t change the meaning of the word.

SynfulChaot.3169:

I’ve not really called those players selfish.

Thank you for biting.

I hadn’t before that point so the statement was not untruthful.

Lue.6538:

StriderShinryu.6923:

I suppose the simplest example is to say you may be consistently winning a 100 metre sprint, but you may be doing so (perhaps unbeknownst to you) against 11 other people who are on crutches or in wheelchairs.

That is known as a mismatch, it is still competitive.
Competitions are simply never perfectly fair as competitors all have different skill levels, you could’ve taken a few real world examples of mismatches instead, such as the Man. Utd – Ipswich football match, or Eddie the eagle, or eric the eel.
My personal favourite however is stephen bradbury, a australian ice skater who won a olympic gold medal after all the other opponents in the finals had fallen right before the finish line.

However claiming it is not competitive due to each person having different conditions? That is just silly.

My point is simply that there are those who believe consistently coming in first against those who have no chance of beating them is both an actual achievement to be proud of as well as something to continue doing for as long as possible. Certainly, things can happen in individual races but given that there is no sort of matchmaking involved and no skill/results based tiering (or even a guarantee that all racers are starting the race at the same time) I tend to think that looking at the larger picture is important. As it stands, this topic isn’t titled “Is it bad to finish first?” it’s titled “Is it bad to keep coming first?”

If you keep coming in first after having completed your ahievements and knowing that your opponents may not be competing on equal footing to yourself, maybe it would be a good thing to step back and rethink things. Maybe your races aren’t as competitve and hard driving as you think they are.

Personally, I’ve been a dedicated player of fighting games for many many years. I know a lot about both competitive situations and mismatches, both on a player level as well as a character level. I know that against the vast majority of my current friends, I will be able to beat them handedly without even thinking about it. As such, I often don’t even play fighting games against them at all simply because the experience has compeition based games existing in a space where they are anything but competitive. I don’t fool myself into thinking my success against them means much at all despite me technically winning the competition.

SynfulChaot.3169:

I hadn’t before that point so the statement was not untruthful.

Correct, however it has been apparent throughout this entire discussion what your stance on the matter has been, yet you have not stated it up until now so again, thank you.

StriderShinryu.6923:

My point is simply that there are those who believe consistently coming in first against those who have no chance of beating them is both an actual achievement to be proud of as well as something to continue doing for as long as possible. Certainly, things can happen in individual races but given that there is no sort of matchmaking involved and no skill/results based tiering (or even a guarantee that all racers are starting the race at the same time) I tend to think that looking at the larger picture is important. As it stands, this topic isn’t titled “Is it bad to finish first?” it’s titled “Is it bad to keep coming first?”

If you keep coming in first after having completed your ahievements and knowing that your opponents may not be competing on equal footing to yourself, maybe it would be a good thing to step back and rethink things. Maybe your races aren’t as competitve and hard driving as you think they are.

Personally, I’ve been a dedicated player of fighting games for many many years. I know a lot about both competitive situations and mismatches, both on a player level as well as a character level. I know that against the vast majority of my current friends, I will be able to beat them handedly without even thinking about it. As such, I often don’t even play fighting games against them at all simply because the experience has compeition based games existing in a space where they are anything but competitive. I don’t fool myself into thinking my success against them means much at all despite me technically winning the competition.

Please don’t mistake my point of view for one that thinks this achievement is of actual worth, it is a simple task that most of the community can do on their own, however since some can’t, and have thus requested to have it handed to them, others have joined forces and now a fair margin of the players doing the race is nothing short of expecting to be handed wins.

Now riddle me this: If you were to play fighting games with your friends, or anyone for that matter, would you give them the win or would you put in the effort to beat them?

Lue.6538:

SynfulChaot.3169:

I hadn’t before that point so the statement was not untruthful.

Correct, however it has been apparent throughout this entire discussion what your stance on the matter has been, yet you have not stated it up until now so again, thank you.

Note that I did state on numerous occasion that there is nothing wrong with that fact and that it is endemic to the concept of competition. You know … before you accuse me of ill-will.

Lue.6538:

Now riddle me this: If you were to play fighting games with your friends, or anyone for that matter, would you give them the win or would you put in the effort to beat them?

Are you saying that if your “friend” does not have an achievement/won the “fighting game” once, and really wants to do so, you still would “put in the effort to beat them” even if its not even on a level playing field (i.e latency issues / what-nots)?

Did you guys know that the prize for first place and the rest is different?

The coinbag contains + 1-2 silver, and the karma reward is also greater.

Well, so much for letting anyone come in first – at least on my side.

Bubi.7942:

Did you guys know that the prize for first place and the rest is different?

The coinbag contains + 1-2 silver, and the karma reward is also greater.

Well, so much for letting anyone come in first – at least on my side.

That is such a minute boost. About 1 silver and exactly 300 karma. For that little, I see no reason to not assist others.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Bubi.7942:

Did you guys know that the prize for first place and the rest is different?

The coinbag contains + 1-2 silver, and the karma reward is also greater.

Well, so much for letting anyone come in first – at least on my side.

That is such a minute boost. About 1 silver and exactly 300 karma. For that little, I see no reason to not assist others.

Aha! But with 65% karma boost that’s 495 karma already!

Jokes aside: I got my Wind cather skin (sold for 10 g) too when finishing first. There might not be no connection, but hey, I’m not gonna risk it.

Bubi.7942:

SynfulChaot.3169:

That is such a minute boost. About 1 silver and exactly 300 karma. For that little, I see no reason to not assist others.

Aha! But with 65% karma boost that’s 495 karma already!

Jokes aside: I got my Wind cather skin (sold for 10 g) too when finishing first. There might not be no connection, but hey, I’m not gonna risk it.

I’ve completed many runs. Only one skin when I finished in 6th or so place. Placing first has nothing to do with skin chance.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Bubi.7942:

SynfulChaot.3169:

That is such a minute boost. About 1 silver and exactly 300 karma. For that little, I see no reason to not assist others.

Aha! But with 65% karma boost that’s 495 karma already!

Jokes aside: I got my Wind cather skin (sold for 10 g) too when finishing first. There might not be no connection, but hey, I’m not gonna risk it.

I’ve completed many runs. Only one skin when I finished in 6th or so place. Placing first has nothing to do with skin chance.

How do you know that?

It just seems logical to me that better placement = better chances. At least if I was a dev, I would surely implement this.

Bubi.7942:

SynfulChaot.3169:

I’ve completed many runs. Only one skin when I finished in 6th or so place. Placing first has nothing to do with skin chance.

How do you know that?

It just seems logical to me that better placement = better chances. At least if I was a dev, I would surely implement this.

Empirically there is no proof either way. But from what I’ve observed and heard, placing has nothing to do with skin chance.

Well I’m just gonna take my + silver and 300 karma then:P

I was wondering about this, people were giving me a hard time because I kept winning.

However when I first tried the races, I was terrible. I had to race a good 10-15 before I finally started to get it and won a race. I think people are supposed to get the achievement for achieving a win.

When people ask me how I won, I will tell them every trick I know. I won’t give them a win though.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Note that I did state on numerous occasion that there is nothing wrong with that fact and that it is endemic to the concept of competition. You know … before you accuse me of ill-will.

All I were accusing you of is trying to masque what your actual stance on this was, you’ve specifically stated now that “by definition, winning is selfish.” and that pretty much settles this on my part, I’ve got no intents of debating it further.

jeatsen.2378:

Are you saying that if your “friend” does not have an achievement/won the “fighting game” once, and really wants to do so, you still would “put in the effort to beat them” even if its not even on a level playing field (i.e latency issues / what-nots)?

Fighting games rarely, if ever, have a leveled playing field, there are almost always certain moves and combos that are vastly more difficult to counter than others.

Lue.6538:

jeatsen.2378:

Are you saying that if your “friend” does not have an achievement/won the “fighting game” once, and really wants to do so, you still would “put in the effort to beat them” even if its not even on a level playing field (i.e latency issues / what-nots)?

Fighting games rarely, if ever, have a leveled playing field, there are almost always certain moves and combos that are vastly more difficult to counter than others.

So, you are saying you wont let your friends win even if he doesn’t have the achievement..

Also, in most fighting games you are able to use the same character, hence, the same moves and combos, which is a level playing field (which in this case, we do have the exact same moves but, we don’t have the same latency, having to wait that extra couple of seconds before a jump would easily add up to an extra couple of minutes)

SynfulChaot.3169:

Bubi.7942:

Did you guys know that the prize for first place and the rest is different?

The coinbag contains + 1-2 silver, and the karma reward is also greater.

Well, so much for letting anyone come in first – at least on my side.

That is such a minute boost. About 1 silver and exactly 300 karma. For that little, I see no reason to not assist others.

+1. That would not even cover one waypoint.

FYI…if you play the sprint game long enough (many times over in a row) eventually the number of players will dwindle to just you. You can then be #1 with no other players racing against you.

Problem solved.

I play as ruthless as anyone during the race but i always stop before the finish line (after the first time) if i would have gotten first. I know i won that race and thats is good enough.

jeatsen.2378:

So, you are saying you wont let your friends win even if he doesn’t have the achievement..

I intentionally didn’t answer your question as I’m expecting a response from the person I posed it to first.
So no, I didn’t say that I would nor wouldn’t let them win.

jeatsen.2378:

Also, in most fighting games you are able to use the same character, hence, the same moves and combos, which is a level playing field (which in this case, we do have the exact same moves but, we don’t have the same latency, having to wait that extra couple of seconds before a jump would easily add up to an extra couple of minutes)

So lets return to what I said in my previous post: Fighting games rarely, if ever, have a leveled playing field.
For this particular case, I’ll take DOA5 as an example, theres 29 characters availible in it, all 29 plays in vastly different ways with its own pros and cons, some have longer reaches, some have stronger throws and so forth.
Now in the majority of the cases, this is infact not a leveled playing field, yes, you can pick the same character to even it out but that doesn’t mean the entire game actually has a even field, because they don’t.

Yes, the latency is unfortunate. It is however not up to the other competitors to restrict themselves in order to adjust to this.

depends on if you are winning only because you are a jerk.

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

depends on if you are winning only because you are a jerk.

How does being a jerk help you win Sanctum Sprint?

Lue.6538:

What I’m about to tell you is a supersecret, infact it is so secret that not even NSA knows about it.

If you leave the race and rejoin it, you’ll end up in a new instance, this will effectively get you out of the situation you described, and expecting to have first handed to you, now theres a tool for you.

I see what you did there. I like. Fell a little flat with me personally since I have no problem winning Sanctum Sprint lol, but that’s besides the point. My perspective is I’m one of the ones that let’s others wins simply for the joy of making others happy. You know that feeling right? Joy and happiness? It’s probably the feeling you get each and every time you win. The same feeling you deprive others of when you’ve won the 10th time in a row (at no fault of your own, it’s a competitive game, why let others win if they don’t earn it <— very valid argument, I agree, I swear).

We’re just talking about being a nice person or not. I don’t think anyone can argue it isn’t nice to let someone win after you’ve won a few times already.

I do strongly urge people to leave and rejoin an instance rather than subject themselves to that frustration, much like you have.

I would find it interesting to see a matchmaking system based on achievement points. I find it fair to assume that people with more achievement points tend to be better players. Won’t be true 100% but I bet more often than not it is.

Those with 1000 or less points are matched together. 1001-3000 matched together. 3001-5000 matched together, and 5000+ matched together. That would make it a real competition. Because right now it’s like a juiced up Lance Armstrong being put up against a 3rd grader in a bike race and saying “Too bad 3rd grader, you suck and didn’t earn this win! Muahahahahaaha! This is competition!” /bike slides mud in face before taking off for another win

Finally with the help of the guide finished first a few times and as heard you only get couple more silver from the coin bag and loot was totally RNG so afterwards if i finished early i just sat by the chest to allow others who needed the achievement.
Afterwards it was a just a grind for the other racing achievements which netted me 2 back skins where i didnt finish first

It pretty much just comes down to whether or not you think competition-based achievements are a good idea or not.

Fortunately, I’ve yet to see Anet create a meta achievement or reward where it was impossible to complete without participating in a competition-based achievement. Sometimes you have to do nasty jumping puzzles (its own problem), but technically nothing requires you to PvP (and this race is ultimately just another form of PvP) to get a reward. I hope they continue this trend.

Once i get my first I quit or stay at the back of the pack. I do not want to be the kitten who kept someone way from a title they really want at the same time I think most people actually want to earn the win RNG ad all. I think now Mad King had it right. Your racing other players but what you are really racing is the game and there is not first place.

Personally, I have only witnessed people “demanding” that frequent winners leave 10 times out of 450 races that I’ve participated in.

My personal opinion is that after you have the title, you should at least step back every now and again, if not all the time, because nothing is actually at stake. Seriously, people; the rewards are not actually better by any substantial degree. It’s a difference of 2 silver and 300 karma.

I personally step back a majority of the time. But I think I have a very different view of these kinds of games.

For one, I don’t view Sanctum Sprint as a “game of skill”, so I just generally disagree with the people who like to spout “it’s an achievement, so earn it!”. I’m sorry, but this is not a game of skill, if for no other reason than this: You can jump from 7th to 1st in an instant because of Light Travel. Where is the skill in that? Or setting up those fake power-ups. You didn’t beat your rival because you were faster. You tripped them.

At the end of the day, it’s a game within a game. And in the case of this game, it’s time limited and skill can’t be a true determining factor because there are outside stimuli, namely computer quality issues.

Does that mean people should be allowed to demand and throw insults? No, of course not. But then again, I can’t say I blame them when I’ve been in first place, stepped to the side near the finish line to allow someone who lacks the title to get it, and had someone with the title take first instead. Sorry, but, I didn’t stop for you. At least have the courtesy to respect what I’m doing and also step aside in that instance if you want me to respect your ability to take first a million times, seeing as in that instance you weren’t in first. /end rambling rant

Edit: Oh, just cause I feel like making a small jab. You wanna prove your “skill” in Sanctum Sprint? Win the race with only the 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 skills. Win because you were faster.

Those false loot bags are the culprit really. It is actually better to be in 5th or so place than close second, because the person winning all the time will cripple those who are closest to his or her skill level and often the worse players will overtake them.

Winning in sanctum sprint usually means completely messing about with all the people behind you, to the point where their ranking is completely random.

If you still need the achievement now is the time. I race maybe 5 times a day and the level of competition has declined. Many times there hasn’t even been a full group but like 8-9 people. I get first a lot and the last few days I’ve been on cruise control and still wining, but after 1 win I just run without using dash or teleports to let others cash in. I think a lot of the hardcore runners have moved on to the new mini games. If you need it I suggest taking a shot soon.

I acknowledge that I’ll never win any of the minigames like Crap-Toss or Southsun Brawl or the Sprint thing.

The fact is that you’re not supposed to be amazing at everything. It comes down to: if it’s boring, do something else. Life advice kids, right there, free-of-charge.

I haven’t won yet because I’m always in the loading screen when the race starts so I start off like 10-30 seconds behind everyone else T.T

I just saw three people get this achievement because they ended up in a map with three people without it. There were four of us and we all just let the people without it get it. They enjoy their achievement points and can also now wear the “prestigious achievement title” that comes with it. I was farming the reward tonight and ended up in a map on my own. Every finish was first place. Now if that’s how easy it is to get the achievement, I feel bad for the people who wanted it but couldn’t get it.

aspirine.6852:

The topic title made me go o_O

I love you. I haven’t had this big a laugh in a long time.

Staying on topic though I was in a room today where everyone was working together to help others get their achieves. I had spent hours getting mine before hand so I knew how frustrating it could be. Sometimes I would just walk or sleep for 30 seconds or so before I even started running then end up in 2nd or 3rd place or waiting at the finish for the person who’s turn it was (I don’t remember the name of the skill but that teleport is amazing. ) It was great and fun as I was only there to get my 25 finishes for the other achievement and didn’t care about what place I came in but eventually a couple people came in who refused to talk or work with us and would always just run ahead and speed through it which kind of killed what we were trying to do. :/ I understand wanting to win in a competitive game and there are several of them in Sanctum Sprint, but in a game like that that is centered around helping others they were being kittens as the polite thing to do would have been to leave the game and join another where there was actual competition..

There is about 24 hours left for the people who don’t already have the first place achievement to get it. If you’ve already finished the achievement, don’t get first place so other people can finish theirs. It’s not like you miss out on that much, it’s like 300 karma and an extra item, or something like that.