Guild Wars 2

the other guys? Wooohhhoooo is used almost permanently too. Poyaqui also does his signature move perma too.

Also the percentage of health used in the tool tip did not represent the actual health lost or gained for the appropriate skills. Is this fixed as well?

just check on dulfy how to do it.

Poya is the easiest of them all. Use critique from Adnul, then bluff 3 times. He copies your moves.

Maddie (SP?) is also easy, just be patient.

Adnul was really the only one over the top.

Andul Irongut is NOT fixed. I just spent hours trying to beat him and he continues to bug out and spam his “meta” ability and chain abilities – including detecting fake drinks and him bleaching constantly. I do not think this is suppose to be happening. Please fix this buggy NPC.

Adnul definitely isn’t fixed. he spams his special almost constantly.

Adnul is not fixed

Just use Mango Pie if you really can’t beat it!

MANGO pies dont work anyone more

I hate to join the kitten fest on Adnul, but he does seem to still be bugged.

Bugs:
-Invisible Critique, at the start of some matches he seems to have critique up without having the icon up
-Chained Critique, while he may not re-critique on the 3rd round of having critique up, he does seem to do it on the second, and very rarely the first (ie back to back).

Not a bug but very annoying:
-Doesn’t take enough damage/heals too much, while it doesn’t seem to be a bug, he just has way too much health and doesn’t take any damage, even those he rarely bluffs. Even with counting his skill uses it doesn’t seem like he can be beaten unless you correctly predict every skill he uses.
-Great timing on Critique, he often has perfect timing on when to critique if when not chained. (~75% health or lower, immediately after he countered your water)

I’d offer strategy advice such always bluff a couple turns after he Belches and save you own Belch and Water for when he could Belch… however i still haven’t beat him, so take it for whakittens worth.

After the latest patch i had more trouble with the frog than with the norn.

Until i figured that i could just bluff into his spirit sight and so take one less drink, that is.

Tips for Adnul.

Bring the Sylvari’s Boast. Save your water and bluff skills for when he uses Critique. When he does, use one of each, then take a single drink. Or do them in whatever order you choose. That way you are only ‘forced’ to take one drink.

So after using Dulfy;s guide and Syn little tip nothing changes, he starts his signature and after 2 drinks with your skills at 2 or 3 rounds of wait time he starts his next 3 again with your used signature with 3 or 2 uses. So what do you do I am trying every possible way to beat him but nothing is adding up.

I’m pretty sure taking a swig of alcohol reduces your health by 20%, not 10%.

Dytrix.3061:

So after using Dulfy;s guide and Syn little tip nothing changes, he starts his signature and after 2 drinks with your skills at 2 or 3 rounds of wait time he starts his next 3 again with your used signature with 3 or 2 uses. So what do you do I am trying every possible way to beat him but nothing is adding up.

Umm … that trick is how I got it. Second or third try, I think. I had more trouble with Maddie (her WooHoo spam is more of a killer than his Critique spam IMHO).

It’s still a pain, yes. Harder than it should be? Maybe. Impossible? No. Just keep trying at it and you’ll get it.

i got quite lucky with Adnul. he did have his buff up a lot of the time, but it wasn’t nearly as bad as against Maddie for me. had to lpay her multiple times to beat.
once her buff was down, she’d WOOHOOOOO right away.

Can one of the Devs tell me if this is how Adnul is supposed to work cause I have played it for almost 3 hrs. I mean if they can spam their signature move why cant we spam ours.

baflgraf.1472:

I’m pretty sure taking a swig of alcohol reduces your health by 20%, not 10%.

Yeah, I noticed that, but I only really noticed it against Adnul, it could be against everyone, but adnul is so annoying it’s much more apparent.

I’m pretty sure the secret to beating this is waiting until they inevitably fix/nerf him. Unless of course you feel like beating your head bloody against a brick wall of poor design and RNG.

Adnul is for sure not fixed.. not one bit easier..

Adnul is a big intentional joke. Why intentional? It takes 5 min to fix him (even if it’s a completely new code that u never saw in your life and still had to fix).

Be sure i will never even think of touching this minigame when and if i ever achiev to finish the “vs NPC” part. The way they did this “tutorial phase for a future permanent minigame” has made me hate this will all my heart.

Just a repulsive game…and on top of all this even pay 100g for it (permanent thing) ? Go have fun with that anet. Learn to make your game appealing not irritating. Sry but u did a lousy job. Most of us will hate this so much u will see just a handful of ppl play your minigame past the event.

Rebound.3409:

Adnul is a big intentional joke. Why intentional? It takes 5 min to fix him (even if it’s a completely new code that u never saw in your life and still had to fix).

Be sure i will never even think of touching this minigame when and if i ever achiev to finish the “vs NPC” part. The way they did this “tutorial phase for a future permanent minigame” has made me hate this will all my heart.

Just a repulsive game…and on top of all this even pay 100g for it (permanent thing) ? Go have fun with that anet. Learn to make your game appealing not irritating. Sry but u did a lousy job. Most of us will hate this so much u will see just a handful of ppl play your minigame past the event.

All of this x100. Due entirely to Adnul I will, after completing achievements, never touch this minigame again. You managed to kill whatever fun might’ve been in this minigame right out of the gate, and replace it with only frustration and hate.

Rebound.3409:

Adnul is a big intentional joke. Why intentional? It takes 5 min to fix him (even if it’s a completely new code that u never saw in your life and still had to fix).

Be sure i will never even think of touching this minigame when and if i ever achiev to finish the “vs NPC” part. The way they did this “tutorial phase for a future permanent minigame” has made me hate this will all my heart.

Just a repulsive game…and on top of all this even pay 100g for it (permanent thing) ? Go have fun with that anet. Learn to make your game appealing not irritating. Sry but u did a lousy job. Most of us will hate this so much u will see just a handful of ppl play your minigame past the event.

I don’t know why people complain. you want to beat Adnul? All you have to do is watch his behaviour and play, its not really a problem. Took me about 10 times to figure out how hes playing. I take the greater healing signature move (its almost an fullheal).

its perfectly balanced imho. not to easy, not to hard, and you have to use your brain.
Perhaps is this the reason behind….

SynfulChaot.3169:

Tips for Adnul.

Bring the Sylvari’s Boast. Save your water and bluff skills for when he uses Critique. When he does, use one of each, then take a single drink. Or do them in whatever order you choose. That way you are only ‘forced’ to take one drink.

When he uses critique, we cannot bluff. At least I cannot bluff, so it might be another bug for me. Basically when he uses critique, I can only drink, water or omno. If I happened to just drink water before he uses critique, game over. 3 rds of omno that reduces my Hp by more than 6k is simply not survivable.

Hanakin.5269:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Tips for Adnul.

Bring the Sylvari’s Boast. Save your water and bluff skills for when he uses Critique. When he does, use one of each, then take a single drink. Or do them in whatever order you choose. That way you are only ‘forced’ to take one drink.

When he uses critique, we cannot bluff. At least I cannot bluff, so it might be another bug for me. Basically when he uses critique, I can only drink, water or omno. If I happened to just drink water before he uses critique, game over. 3 rds of omno that reduces my Hp by more than 6k is simply not survivable.

Oh! My bad. I meant water and belch. That way he can only force 1 drink.

blutstein.2468:

Rebound.3409:

Adnul is a big intentional joke. Why intentional? It takes 5 min to fix him (even if it’s a completely new code that u never saw in your life and still had to fix).

Be sure i will never even think of touching this minigame when and if i ever achiev to finish the “vs NPC” part. The way they did this “tutorial phase for a future permanent minigame” has made me hate this will all my heart.

Just a repulsive game…and on top of all this even pay 100g for it (permanent thing) ? Go have fun with that anet. Learn to make your game appealing not irritating. Sry but u did a lousy job. Most of us will hate this so much u will see just a handful of ppl play your minigame past the event.

I don’t know why people complain. you want to beat Adnul? All you have to do is watch his behaviour and play, its not really a problem. Took me about 10 times to figure out how hes playing. I take the greater healing signature move (its almost an fullheal).

its perfectly balanced imho. not to easy, not to hard, and you have to use your brain.
Perhaps is this the reason behind….

Yah right smart guy. You seemed to be the smartest player in the whole game to use your brain and play while the rest only uses eyes an fingers. You got lucky and won doesn’t have to come here to brag and insult. I dun supposed even with brain we can beat Adnul who somehow is able to spam his dumb critique move every 2-3 turns, and when he heals, he heals about 35-40% of his health and when we heal, only 15%. When he drinks omno, he reduces by around 8% HP while we reduces by 20%. Simple mathematics tells you it’s almost impossible to win him. Almost. So I you got lucky, thank your lucky star and keep away, IMHO.

Perfectly balanced? I win the Asura. In the first rd I played, same as for the Sylvari. Charr took around 2-3 rds. Massive took around 5rds. Adnul? I can’t even remember how many rds I’d tried.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Hanakin.5269:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Tips for Adnul.

Bring the Sylvari’s Boast. Save your water and bluff skills for when he uses Critique. When he does, use one of each, then take a single drink. Or do them in whatever order you choose. That way you are only ‘forced’ to take one drink.

When he uses critique, we cannot bluff. At least I cannot bluff, so it might be another bug for me. Basically when he uses critique, I can only drink, water or omno. If I happened to just drink water before he uses critique, game over. 3 rds of omno that reduces my Hp by more than 6k is simply not survivable.

Oh! My bad. I meant water and belch. That way he can only force 1 drink.

Yeah I’d figured you meant Belch.

The trouble with the NPCs is, signature move spamming aside, they’re not even subject to the base rules of the game. Water every other turn and things like that. The whole premise of the game (vs humans) is about predicting your opponent’s next move and you use your information of what moves they’ve made before and their personality to inform your prediction. You can’t do that with the NPCs because a) they have no personalities and b) they ignore the rules.

The NPC games are just trial and error slogs where their difficulty is based on the simplicity of their routine.

Trial-and-error isn’t fun, it’s dull as kitten, and the monotony of the process is rubbed in with the incessant voice samples.

Hopefully next time ANet make a minigame like this they’ll not break it while forlornly trying to make it work with a procedural AI.

Instead maybe just hand out PvP kits for a much lower price, or set up stations to play the game at like the RC Golem game in the Asura starting area, so that people can actually enjoy the game without draining their silver.

I can see myself enjoying it with friends. Playing it with an NPC that reduces the mechanics to pot-luck is not enjoyable.

Adul is frustrating, I’ve seen his HP go up two rounds in a row, and his health doesn’t react anything like any of other NPCs. After bluffing twice, a blech or two, and healing up… I still had twice the dent in my health as he did.

i have to say the drinking game was fun into having to play with ADUL ><. I know they are some who master him but most are having a problem. he about locks you in if you get to early on in the wrong skill mix. i have to say that then need to look and see how the npc works. but i have to say not ever worth it now after 5 hours+ on him and nothing but being mad at the game and my self for playing it over and over.

The NORN NPC which make me “ugghhhhhhhh !!!!!”. Need to be lucky enough to beat him. (He spams his boast like crazy, and its the strongest boast in this activity).

Charr, frog, sylvari is the easiest one.
Asura and human is medium.

Did not have problems with the others. Took me still a few tries… but at least you get them often to low health(even if you also are at low health).

Only problem was Norn where I used food cause he has much more HP and is getting boring fast and often you don’t get him low. And Grandmaster also seemed harder but I did not really try cause I had still had food buff from Norn(also did not know what his buff does cause I did not read Dulfy) and just used something until I won.

I will definitely try the Norn and Grandmaster again(with only the signature moves you could have without having beat them) later… if he is still hard at the moment I hope they are fixing more. Want to beat him without food. Grandmaster also will be permanent? (And maybe in LA later and only the achieve temporary cause it says you have to beat him while he is at the Bazaar?)

Yeah, he spams his skill. Even if played perfectly it’s basically impossible when he does.

I was enjoying it up until Adnul.
I don’t understand, if they’re allowed to spam their signature moves, why can’t we?
There’s no reliable pattern that can beat Adnul because his signature move effectively blocks any tactics you have.
It’s pure chance and relying on the NPC making a fatal, or rather several fatal judgements in error.
Where others seem to have an effective flaw to their game, Adnul has none. A good heal, huge health pool and a spammable signature move that prevents you from faking.
Not impressed.

This time, I know the sig move wore off – yet it was still there beginning of the next game.

And trying to defeat this guy over and over has, for the first time, got me to mute my computer out of annoyance.

Mungrul.9358:

I don’t understand, if they’re allowed to spam their signature moves, why can’t we?

I know they want them to be harder… but just a better AI or more HP would have been enough(or maybe other tweaks like him doing more damage).

Signature moves should work the same for us and the NPCs(maybe the ones of the NPCs a bit stronger): We both should be able to use them more than once… but not unlimited(maybe like every X turn… or some other condition like drinking to recharge them up again).

This also would make the game against other players more fun.

… or let NPC use unlimited of his only one buff… but let us use all buffs – each 1 time(up to the Norn we should have 4 if we beat all the others).

for some reason i beat maddie easily but adnul is a hard nut. i have no idea how to beat him. i had him down to low health once but his signature is just too much

Hanakin.5269:

. I dun supposed even with brain we can beat Adnul who somehow is able to spam his dumb critique move every 2-3 turns, and when he heals, he heals about 35-40% of his health and when we heal, only 15%. When he drinks omno, he reduces by around 8% HP while we reduces by 20%. Simple mathematics tells you it’s almost impossible to win him. Almost. So I you got lucky, thank your lucky star and keep away, IMHO.

Perfectly balanced? I win the Asura. In the first rd I played, same as for the Sylvari. Charr took around 2-3 rds. Massive took around 5rds. Adnul? I can’t even remember how many rds I’d tried.

how i like this theorycrafter that throw around some numbers and tell me its impossible.

1. Choose this big drink signature (heals around 5k).
2. Only drink omnom is nothing else possible.
3. Count his drinks (he has to wait 3 rounds after he can belch again.)
4. Belch after his belch if possible. Many many times he heals up directly after that.)

Adnul alone is reason enough to never tough this mini game again. All I have discussed with, who could beat him, agreed it was due to pure luck. Anyone here saying otherwise should go try it again. This is no fun at all. Worst of all, for those how can’t jump like frogs it might be the one achievement they lack ant the end of the basar for the crystal node, which is crafting noch jump’n’run. I am not impressed.

This is utter bullturd, I’ve spent the last FIVE hours trying to beat Adnul and i’m not a nub at this as beat the other’s all within about twenty minutes total.

hes not imbossible anymore, i also wasnt able to beat him before the patch but now hes winnable.
Best stuffs against him are woo(for finishing off) or boast.( for bit more game time, water is equally good but it can be prevented when y need it so not reliable)
You cant rlly sustain against him, you have kick yourself intentionally down slowly and hope your prediction is right.
They way i suggest is that you try to prevent hes belch by drinking, thats the risky thing and if you fail too many times by taking those unecessary shots you could just as well restart.

He will pretty much always drink 2-3times before he either belches or drinks water, seldomly even 4 times.

And about that bug that after losing hes critique still remains= just restart again, not a big deal.

Not this thread again … He’s making the same moves like 80% of the time. Just learn them and counter them. Don’t be affraid to drink(“1”) to avoid his Belch. It’s not easy but i prefer this than just giving achievments for nothing. That way i know i achieved something.

Beat him on the third try late last night. I of course heard he was hard so I went to Dulfy and watched the guide which tells you to keep your health up early in the fight and use the calway buff (I totally butchered that name) when he uses Crituque. He never onced spammed his signature move. Just like Dulfy said you get on turn inbetween.

Nice game devs. It was challenging and a fun twist. Im glad we have people like Dulfy to do the hard work first so us poor saps who have limited play time can come along and get the achievements too. All thats needed is a little reading comprehension and a moderate dose of patience. Something American society is loosing day by day

Maddie just lockaway the water drinking. For science is pretty much recommend. And try to land bleching when she try to fake.
Its pretty much luck as well.

I tried a few different strategies and here’s what worked for me, this was pre any patch so it should still work.

- Pick Boast as your signature move
- Always bluff… if he interrupts it with a belch, belch back and drink water in that order.
- This should keep your own health from dropping as fast as his, with luck you’ll interrupt a heal or two and you’ll go into the next phase with a big advantage.
- Eventually he hits a threshold where he’ll start spamming his signature move.
- Use belch, drink water, drink in that priority unless you can get a bluff in.
- Once you get close to 3,000 or so health use boast.
- Try to time your abilities so you use belch at below 20% health to do a large amount of damage.

If he gets too many belches, or your losing health much faster than him just surrender and try again. It will take some luck but it’s possible and this strategy is simple enough that you can spam games until you get lucky.

Quetz.4389:

I tried a few different strategies and here’s what worked for me, this was pre any patch so it should still work.

- Pick Boast as your signature move
- Always bluff… if he interrupts it with a belch, belch back and drink water in that order.
- This should keep your own health from dropping as fast as his, with luck you’ll interrupt a heal or two and you’ll go into the next phase with a big advantage.
- Eventually he hits a threshold where he’ll start spamming his signature move.
- Use belch, drink water, drink in that priority unless you can get a bluff in.
- Once you get close to 3,000 or so health use boast.
- Try to time your abilities so you use belch at below 20% health to do a large amount of damage.

If he gets too many belches, or your losing health much faster than him just surrender and try again. It will take some luck but it’s possible and this strategy is simple enough that you can spam games until you get lucky.

You can’t use a fixed strategy against someone who acts entirely random and doesn’t have to follow the same rules as you.

Just finished all of the Belcher Achievements today… I feel like an idiot, I actually had the most trouble with the charr xD;; Adnul was really tricky though. I used Dulfy’s strategy and with a bit of luck you should be able to get it within 5 or so tries. But again, it’s luck, so it could end up being way more than that.

Tried for two and a half hours before I finally beat him… I hate this minigame but the achievement hunter inside me couldn’t rest…

Did this for two hours yesterday, Beat him with the same strategy today after three tries.
100% luck, Evade his Shout Punish his Drink and got a lucky 0 punish game from him.

Also, this guy is voiced by the guy who does Joe on Family guy I think ? :/ I can never watch family guy again without triggering a rage coma.

Adnul was the only kittene. Maddie can be maddening and her and the twighead and the charr can take a long time if you dont have the right boast but theyre all doable.

Adnul was….unreasonable.

The woo thing from Maddie was annoying if you dont have any other unlocks.
Honestly Adnul was the easiest one for me since he is the only guy that didnt do bullkitten and just drank himself to death/ff (charr healed to full 3 times from a single drink, took ages, girl spammed no heal and pretty much force killed me over and over since i had nothing on and the sodding asura used her skills like she knew what i was picking, sylvari was generic). AI RNG is still RNG.