achievement points is working as intended
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with the new system? What is this thread about?
I think he is addressing to people that are complaining about the new system.
Astrid Strongheart, Norn Ranger.
“I wish juvenile wolves were bigger”
Indeed. This is a “to all those other threads on this topic” kind of topic. One which, like many of such topics, I agree with.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with the new system? What is this thread about?
hmmm i am looking forward to the new system.
i.e. unlocking rewards via achievement points.
i guess i agree.
I think he is addressing to people that are complaining about the new system.
well, yeah.
i am referring to those people who complains about
- new comers cannot “catch up” with the achievement points
- achievement points from dailies etc
Indeed. This is a “to all those other threads on this topic” kind of topic. One which, like many of such topics, I agree with.
thanks for your feedback!
there will be no achievement points resets.
you know this already happened months ago when they cut infinite tracks right?
I think I’d agree as well. It’s not hard to build up achievement points, and resetting them or the like would be a punch in the face for people who have been accruing them. “We’re going to make these actually worth something! But first, we’re going to strip you of those you’ve already achieved…”
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.
there will be no achievement points resets.
you know this already happened months ago when they cut infinite tracks right?
you mean the agent of entropy?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tradesman
Agent of Entropy (Prerequisite: Salvage Master)
The world is composed of certain base elements. 200 Items Salvaged
+2 (Max 250)
now it is capped at 250 achievement points.
well, i dunno. because the final decision rests with the one who made and maintains guild wars 2.
however, too many people grouping up together, making some noise, may have a slim chance to affect that final decision.
this topic is to make sure that group’s plan fails.
I think I’d agree as well. It’s not hard to build up achievement points, and resetting them or the like would be a punch in the face for people who have been accruing them. “We’re going to make these actually worth something! But first, we’re going to strip you of those you’ve already achieved…”
seriously i have no idea why those people are complaining.
I tried reading several topics about “balancing” achievement points and it really boils down in making some achievements more worthwhile (some argue WvW, slayer types, etc.) for their time while removing the most easy ones (dailies).
Anet isn’t probably going to change the achievement system since it’s going raise a kittenstorm than what we’re seeing right now. As another person mentioned as well, it’s counter productive in getting people to log in and play in the game as well.
I just find it annoying that people haven’t complained about achievement points for the longest time until tangible rewards were introduced. They shouldn’t care about it so much considering someone at 1600 achievement points is at the 70% percentile (that person has more achievement points than 70% of the population).
you have only confused me. are they resetting acheivment points? if so booooooo
you have only confused me. are they resetting acheivment points? if so booooooo
Of course not…
Yes I have more than you, I did more than you. Why on earth should the fruits of my effort be erased to accommodate your desire? I am here for myself , and the reward of my effort cannot have any effect upon the reward of your efforts.
If you desire help, ask me. By helping you, I may enrich us both, that is of value.
If you cause the destruction of what is mine, you impoverish us both. After all, why would I help any who destroy what I value?
This is my stance on the issue.
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Yes I have more than you, I did more than you. Why on earth should the fruits of my effort be erased to accommodate your desire? I am here for myself , and the reward of my effort cannot have any effect upon the reward of your efforts.
If you desire help, ask me. By helping you, I may enrich us both, that is of value.
If you cause the destruction of what is mine, you impoverish us both. After all, why would I help any who destroy what I value?
This is my stance on the issue.
I don’t understand the point of your comment…
They aren’t taking away your achievement points, if you have a lot of points then good for you, you will have access to a lot of rewards!
I disagree with the OP. Some achievements which take TONS of time and commitment are equally worth as daylies which I get in a few minutes.
Bad design.
Yes I have more than you, I did more than you. Why on earth should the fruits of my effort be erased to accommodate your desire? I am here for myself , and the reward of my effort cannot have any effect upon the reward of your efforts.
If you desire help, ask me. By helping you, I may enrich us both, that is of value.
If you cause the destruction of what is mine, you impoverish us both. After all, why would I help any who destroy what I value?
This is my stance on the issue.
I don’t understand the point of your comment…
They aren’t taking away your achievement points, if you have a lot of points then good for you, you will have access to a lot of rewards!
“They” being anet aren’t. But people are proposing that daily/monthly achievement points shouldn’t count towards…well..who knows? We don’t even know how it’s going to work yet. It’s all speculation.
I disagree with the OP. Some achievements which take TONS of time and commitment are equally worth as daylies which I get in a few minutes.
Bad design.
Solution: Buff those achievements.
I disagree with the OP. Some achievements which take TONS of time and commitment are equally worth as daylies which I get in a few minutes.
Bad design.
Solution: Buff those achievements.
+1
The WvW achievements should be worth MUCH more than they are currently. Getting 250k kills is no joke. Completing any one of those WvW achievements is no where NEAR difficult, they’re insane. They need to buff them or make them easier. I vote for buffing as it makes those achievements something to really strive for and incredibly difficult.
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I disagree with the OP. Some achievements which take TONS of time and commitment are equally worth as daylies which I get in a few minutes.
Bad design.
Solution: Buff those achievements.
+1
The WvW achievements should be worth MUCH more than they are currently. Getting 250k kills is no joke. Completing any one of those WvW achievements is no where NEAR difficult, they’re insane. They need to buff them or make them easier. I vote for buffing as it makes those achievements something to really strive for and incredibly difficult.
250,000 kills in WvW gives you the title, “Ultimate Dominator.” That isn’t a good example to use because it gives you a title, thus giving you the proper reward you’re asking for, bragging rights that you’ve killed 250,000 people in WvW. Doing all the jumping puzzles in the game, killing 39 types of creatures 1,000 times each (including giants and oak hearts), dealing 5,000 killing blows with 20 weapon types each, spending the karma/coin to buy 100,000 drinks of alcohol and consuming them, and doing all of the explorer achievements (except for Dungeon Master, ofcourse) do not give titles.
Let’s also try “Legendary Collector.” It’s 5 ranks, 1 for each legendary. Legendary weapons can be bought, so giving that achievement an enormous boost in achievement points would be wrong because people would be able to buy themselves those points on top of the legendary weapon. Your reward for crafting/soul binding a legendary is the legendary weapon itself, not the +5 achievement points that it comes with.
But people can already do that, right? Banking 200 gold coins gives you the “Golden” title. It’s +10 per rank and shouldn’t be boosted because the reward here is a title, not the achievement points themselves.
Too long; didn’t read – Achievements with no legendary weapon, title, and/or prestigious limited time living story reward (mini horrik, fertiv censor, molten gauntlets, etc) tied to them should have higher achievement point reward than those who do.
The only thing I still dont know, is legendary collector work: when you equip or when you get ?
If the latter, +5 is enough (and you can buy it too. Unless its become soulbound directly (or account bound before soulbound), +5 is enough). You can share with your friend before you equip the legendary. It is also the same as miniature collector.
I disagree with the OP. Some achievements which take TONS of time and commitment are equally worth as daylies which I get in a few minutes.
Bad design.
Disagree. Those achievements you don’t do them for the points, you get great rewards on the way to them and once you reach them. The points are just extra.
And don’t even bring up the Legendary Weapon one.
I disagree with the OP. Some achievements which take TONS of time and commitment are equally worth as daylies which I get in a few minutes.
Bad design.
give more achievement points for those achievements!!!
Yes I have more than you, I did more than you. Why on earth should the fruits of my effort be erased to accommodate your desire? I am here for myself , and the reward of my effort cannot have any effect upon the reward of your efforts.
If you desire help, ask me. By helping you, I may enrich us both, that is of value.
If you cause the destruction of what is mine, you impoverish us both. After all, why would I help any who destroy what I value?
This is my stance on the issue.
I don’t understand the point of your comment…
They aren’t taking away your achievement points, if you have a lot of points then good for you, you will have access to a lot of rewards!“They” being anet aren’t. But people are proposing that daily/monthly achievement points shouldn’t count towards…well..who knows? We don’t even know how it’s going to work yet. It’s all speculation.
There are people demanding achievement point resets. I only complete non daily, and non event, achievements by accident. I would hate to be stripped of a currency because of someone doesn’t want others to get a reward ahead of them.
Yes I have more than you, I did more than you. Why on earth should the fruits of my effort be erased to accommodate your desire? I am here for myself , and the reward of my effort cannot have any effect upon the reward of your efforts.
If you desire help, ask me. By helping you, I may enrich us both, that is of value.
If you cause the destruction of what is mine, you impoverish us both. After all, why would I help any who destroy what I value?
This is my stance on the issue.
My stance is that your selfish desires are not valid grounds to limit my enjoyment of the game by putting rewards out of reach for people with responsibilities. That’s effectively what you’re asking for and that effectively means impoverishing me.
My stance is that the game should accommodate for people with a job and other types of real life obligations, in so far that this game can be a hobby instead of a second job.
Don’t take that objectivist egocentrical non-sense in the game. People are impoverished through egoism. Altruism usually helps both forward. I don’t need your pity and you don’t get mine. I’m very willing to impoverish you if not doing so comes at the cost of impoverishing myself.
Delayed content is eventually good. Rushed content is eternally bad. ~ Shigeru Miyamoto
My stance is that your selfish desires are not valid grounds to limit my enjoyment of the game by putting rewards out of reach for people with responsibilities. That’s effectively what you’re asking for and that effectively means impoverishing me.
None of the rewards are out of reach of anybody, unless you don’t actively play the game at any time. It’ll just take longer for people who have responsibilities outside of the game to achieve, just like they should. The whole purpose is to reward players for their ingame achievements. If you can’t spend as much time in-game as somebody else, there’s no reason to have the same rewards. Nothing they are asking for will impoverish anybody else, they’re asking to be rewarded for effort already put into the game.
My stance is that the game should accommodate for people with a job and other types of real life obligations, in so far that this game can be a hobby instead of a second job.
And that’s exactly what the game is doing. Only the living story achievements have a limit to how long you have to complete them. Everything else can be done at your own pace.
Nothing in this game is a race (except the racing mini-games, obviously). Why is it so wrong to ask that what a player has achieved in the past year be rewarded the same way a player doing the same things this year will be rewarded?
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Yes I have more than you, I did more than you. Why on earth should the fruits of my effort be erased to accommodate your desire? I am here for myself , and the reward of my effort cannot have any effect upon the reward of your efforts.
If you desire help, ask me. By helping you, I may enrich us both, that is of value.
If you cause the destruction of what is mine, you impoverish us both. After all, why would I help any who destroy what I value?
This is my stance on the issue.
My stance is that your selfish desires are not valid grounds to limit my enjoyment of the game by putting rewards out of reach for people with responsibilities. That’s effectively what you’re asking for and that effectively means impoverishing me.
My stance is that the game should accommodate for people with a job and other types of real life obligations, in so far that this game can be a hobby instead of a second job.
Don’t take that objectivist egocentrical non-sense in the game. People are impoverished through egoism. Altruism usually helps both forward. I don’t need your pity and you don’t get mine. I’m very willing to impoverish you if not doing so comes at the cost of impoverishing myself.
No ones limiting your enjoyment, if people have more free time than you is that their fault? Want them to come over and watch your kiddies or mow your lawn while you play some GW2 to give you some free time? Its no ones fault your time is taken up with other priorities other than your own. Then you talk about being selfish? You’re being selfish for wanting people stripped of the time they put into the game that you couldn’t. Not everything in life is fair, with all of your “responsibilities” i’m sure you know that.
Too long; didn’t read – Achievements with no legendary weapon, title, and/or prestigious limited time living story reward (mini horrik, fertiv censor, molten gauntlets, etc) tied to them should have higher achievement point reward than those who do.
As a person who doesn’t give a kitten about titles, skins or mini’s I’d prefer they just receive an achievement point buff.
You know if they didn’t add ladders for achievement points then the decision to add rewards for certain achievement points wouldn’t be nearly as big of a deal because any person could get to a certain reward eventually either passively or as an intended goal.
If anything dailies give people a way to get to a goal on their own terms and doesn’t have to make someone do jump puzzles or wvw to just get an item skin or bonuses.
My stance is that your selfish desires are not valid grounds to limit my enjoyment of the game by putting rewards out of reach for people with responsibilities. That’s effectively what you’re asking for and that effectively means impoverishing me.
My stance is that the game should accommodate for people with a job and other types of real life obligations, in so far that this game can be a hobby instead of a second job.
Don’t take that objectivist egocentrical non-sense in the game. People are impoverished through egoism. Altruism usually helps both forward. I don’t need your pity and you don’t get mine. I’m very willing to impoverish you if not doing so comes at the cost of impoverishing myself.
As far as I have read, achievement rewards will be granted the same way achievements and titles are. If you kill X people in WvW you get that achievement. The next time you kill someone in WvW you will have killed X+1 people. You will never be able to trigger that WvW achievement ever again, on your current account, you will from that point on have more than X kills.
Lets say: if you earn fifty achievement points you would get a reward. You reach fifty achievement points only once per account. Everyone who earns 50 points gets the same reward that one time.
Because it is a new system, the people who have accounts with more than 50 points will get the reward at the update, since a player with 200 achievement points will never be able to trigger the 50 point reward.
I was mistaken for calling achievement points a currency. Achievement points are merely there to keep track of triggered events. They cannot be spent or used, they can only be increased. If everyone’s points were reset to zero, both of us would gain achievement points at the same rates we do now. If it takes you a week to earn 50 points and it takes me 2 days. I would still earn points about 3 times faster than you. All a reset would do is deny me credit for what I have already achieved in the game. If the rewards are account bound, as I suspect, then a reset would not affect the trading post at all.
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My stance is that your selfish desires are not valid grounds to limit my enjoyment of the game by putting rewards out of reach for people with responsibilities. That’s effectively what you’re asking for and that effectively means impoverishing me.
My stance is that the game should accommodate for people with a job and other types of real life obligations, in so far that this game can be a hobby instead of a second job.
Don’t take that objectivist egocentrical non-sense in the game. People are impoverished through egoism. Altruism usually helps both forward. I don’t need your pity and you don’t get mine. I’m very willing to impoverish you if not doing so comes at the cost of impoverishing myself.
How does my standing in line ahead of you prevent you from reaching the same goal? If you stay in line you will get there. You think that the rewards will lose value by the time you get them? If the rewards are not account bound, the value will be horribly low anyway, because every player is guaranteed to get one. If I know I am guaranteed to get an item, I am not going to be motivated to pay a lot in order to buy it early, or to buy a spare.
My stance is that your selfish desires are not valid grounds to limit my enjoyment of the game by putting rewards out of reach for people with responsibilities. That’s effectively what you’re asking for and that effectively means impoverishing me.
My stance is that the game should accommodate for people with a job and other types of real life obligations, in so far that this game can be a hobby instead of a second job.
Don’t take that objectivist egocentrical non-sense in the game. People are impoverished through egoism. Altruism usually helps both forward. I don’t need your pity and you don’t get mine. I’m very willing to impoverish you if not doing so comes at the cost of impoverishing myself.
My philosophy colors my very thoughts, it certainly affects how I play the game and how I talk about it. On the one hand, I do not engage in predatory hedonism. (sacrificing others in order to achieve my goals.) On the other hand I refuse to be sacrificed in order to further anyone’s goals. I am quite willing to trade. I am certainly willing to help someone achieve their goal if they help me to achieve my own goals, weather in trade or payment. I am quite able to be generous, if I have spare time or a spare item, I can give them away to people I like. I will certainly never give away an item or time I actually need, and never to someone I don’t like.
everyone will get their rewards.
it is a matter of time.
just what is wrong with those people asking for resets? just ridiculous!
Oh my, the rewards won’t be out of ANYBODY’S reach just because you will take a little longer to get them. Get over it.
Now stop fighting like a bunch of kids and crying that “someone else spent more time playing than me so I will take longer than them to get the same stuff” and start acting like the grown ups full of responsibilities that you all claim to be.
Seriously, this is getting ridiculous.
Astrid Strongheart, Norn Ranger.
“I wish juvenile wolves were bigger”
^— This. You get back what you have put in. The people complaining need to release that changing peoples points would be equivalent to taking away peoples Hall of Monuments rewards just because you don’t want to play GW1…
agreed. dailies and monthlies shoudl continue to count towards AP accumulation. i agree they can perhaps buff the APs gotten for for e.g. WvW achieves or equipping 5 legendaeies or slaying 1000 giants. but is someone’s time comnig in to do dailies EVERY day for a month, not dedication? that their time is not worth something?
even if they don’t change or buff the other achievements, i would be fine with that and i don’t think anything is wrong.
heck, end of the day, play the frigging game for what it’s worth to you. ever watch Whose Line is it anyway? where points don’t matter… and people have a TON of fun. i LOVE that fact that they’re adding bonuses you can unlock with the achievement system, but if they didn’t, i’d still have just as much fun with the game. maybe it’s just a change of perception, but it sure can make life a lot easier for those than what some people think they’re going through.
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