Guild Wars 2

I think we should implement a new system which increases amount of taxes on items valued 100g or above, say additional tax of 0.01*amount of gold putting up. For example, for someone is controlling precussor, if he or she puts up a precussor for 600g , he/she would have to pays additional 6% more tax for that item .

i think this would stop the manipulation and also stop people from selling their legendary (Legendary is supposed to be an accomplishment not a way to make a living)

They will just pass over the additional costs back to the buyers.

mosspit.8936:

They will just pass over the additional costs back to the buyers.

Only if the buyers are prepared to pay it. Buyer be-dumb-dumb.

Svarty.8019:

mosspit.8936:

They will just pass over the additional costs back to the buyers.

Only if the buyers are prepared to pay it. Buyer be-dumb-dumb.

What are you commenting on exactly? Currently, precursors are already priced at a point where buyers are willing to pay or rather what the sellers think buyers can pay for. And sellers should automatically know to factor in 15% taxes to get an idea how much they can receive from the sale.

With what OP suggested, sellers will just consider the new tax rates instead the static 15% and adjust accordingly.

Another reason that this is a bad idea is that people will be more likely to start trying to trade higher value items outside of the TP to avoid the regressive tax. This will inevitably lead to more support tickets for ArenaNet as the number of potential scammers will increase.

Other games stop TP manipulation by giving you multiple, predictable, skill-based ways of obtaining extremely in-demand items.

This reduces gold-trade systems between players to a matter of convenience rather than monopoly-supply.

It could be done in this way in this game as well.

Another way which absolutely would “stick-it” to fun-killing TP manipulators (which likely also run the farming-bots) would be to modify annoucements to prompt speculation on a given exotic or trade item, then surprise-patch that item as account bound and attainable cheaply through karma.

That would instantly destroy vast swaths of speculator wealth.

(for instance, a sudden patch that made precursors account-bound and placed a low karma-cap on t6 mats would utterly DESTROY the manipulation being conducted by gold-sale companies)

plasmacutter.2709:

Other games stop TP manipulation by giving you multiple, predictable, skill-based ways of obtaining extremely in-demand items.

This reduces gold-trade systems between players to a matter of convenience rather than monopoly-supply.

It could be done in this way in this game as well.

Another way which absolutely would “stick-it” to fun-killing TP manipulators (which likely also run the farming-bots) would be to modify annoucements to prompt speculation on a given exotic or trade item, then surprise-patch that item as account bound and attainable cheaply through karma.

That would instantly destroy vast swaths of speculator wealth.

(for instance, a sudden patch that made precursors account-bound and placed a low karma-cap on t6 mats would utterly DESTROY the manipulation being conducted by gold-sale companies)

Typical socialist nonsense. If you can’t distribute wealth (which is a code word for stealing), you’d much rather destroy it … And typical for socialists is not to do it themselves, but rather have the government do it. Here, have some caviar.

Just think of the repercussions of your extremely silly ideas…
1/ Making precursors account bound would absolutely destroy any possibility to get a specific legendary unless you’re extremely wealthy. You would have to start gambling yourself which costs ungodly amounts of gold.

2/ Crafting materials bound to karma would completely destroy the trading post because there would be no reason at all to trade. But you’re right … no market means no wealth.

The end effect is the only thing socialism ever manages to accomplish … equal distribution of poverty.

If the rich people are eating bread, you will be eating crumbs. But if you take the bread away, you won’t be eating anything at all.

Apart from that, most people making money on the TP are legit players who just find small price imbalances. All talk about botting by these players is groundless accusations. Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? But once again .. to socialists a rich person is guilty until proven innocent.

Typical socialist nonsense. If you can’t distribute wealth (which is a code word for stealing), you’d much rather destroy it

Please drop the black&white ideology.

The goal is to stop people who have power enough to fully manipulate the market to the deficit of the entire playerbase, or do you call antitrust actions to break up monopolies “socialism”?

Do you not consider it mass theft of player effort when TP manipulators jack up the price of items needed for personal progression?

Just think of the repercussions of your extremely silly ideas…
1/ Making precursors account bound would absolutely destroy any possibility to get a specific legendary unless you’re extremely wealthy. You would have to start gambling yourself which costs ungodly amounts of gold.
2/ Crafting materials bound to karma would completely destroy the trading post because there would be no reason at all to trade. But you’re right … no market means no wealth.

Making precursors account bound would pave the way for either higher drop rates, or the establishment of other methods to gain precursors which reflect player skill or experience rather than gold gain.

Gathering professions in wow were still incredibly profitable, despite trade materials being available for dungeon and pvp currency. The idea that “the trading post would be destroyed” is ludicrous. It would just stop being an unnecessary barrier to fun, and instead, augment the fun of the game.

The end effect is the only thing socialism ever manages to accomplish … equal distribution of poverty.

I hear Germany, where healthcare is free and unions have veto power over executive pay, is such a horrible economic mess that they’re propping up the EU solo.. oh wait, they have higher per capita median income than the US working half the hours.

or people could just start making more of them by mystic forging lvl 80 exotics. In the past 6 days I’ve made 4 and turned a significant profit

plasmacutter.2709:

Typical socialist nonsense. If you can’t distribute wealth (which is a code word for stealing), you’d much rather destroy it

Please drop the black&white ideology.

The goal is to stop people who have power enough to fully manipulate the market to the deficit of the entire playerbase, or do you call antitrust actions to break up monopolies “socialism”?

Quite the contrary. Breaking up antitrusts is called capitalism, more specifically, it is a part of liberal capitalism. But you have no proof of any trusts or monopolies so please don’t accuse without evidence.

Do you not consider it mass theft of player effort when TP manipulators jack up the price of items needed for personal progression?

It is not theft. Someone is giving them more out of their free will. Theft involves taking money by force. You got your definition wrong. If you don’t want those “manipulators” have your money, don’t give it to them. But I wouldn’t call it theft.

Making precursors account bound would pave the way for either higher drop rates, or the establishment of other methods to gain precursors which reflect player skill or experience rather than gold gain.

You didn’t mention that. The only thing you claimed was destroying wealth. Why not do both… allow precursors to be sold AND to have a set path to get them? That’s what a capitalist would do to fix an oligopolist market.

The end effect is the only thing socialism ever manages to accomplish … equal distribution of poverty.

I hear Germany, where healthcare is free and unions have veto power over executive pay, is such a horrible economic mess that they’re propping up the EU solo.. oh wait, they have higher per capita median income than the US working half the hours.

As a matter of fact, I am Belgian yet I live and work in Germany. Let me give you the biggest errors in your statement:
- there is no minimum wage in Germany. If you want to work full time at 1€ per month, that’s totally possible.
- healthcare is not free and you won’t have any, unless someone pays for it. I pay my dues and because of that, I have “free” healthcare. People who don’t pay taxes don’t get healthcare. I know because I have to pay healthcare for my girlfriend until she can find a job.
- Labor Unions don’t have veto power. I don’t know who told you that but it’s just wrong. Labor Unions and Employer Unions have to work together and if either sets vetoes…. nothing is accomplished but equal sharing of poverty.

In Europe, Germany is seen as a heartless capitalist country by many socialists, and Germany is actively hated by many Greeks and Belgians because they are such a strong economy. Not good for socialists to see a capitalist nation does far better than socialist Belgium.
The statements you made (veto, higher average wage, free healthcare) are actually true for Belgium. Guess why I left Belgium to work in Germany and guess why Belgium is in such an economic mess?

With an economy based on social-liberal ideas, I can see how the US looks at is as a socialist nation, while socialist countries like Belgium believe it to be capitalist. It is neither, it is at an optimum between both ideas. And that’s why I don’t think in Black/White and you do. I don’t like capitalism nor socialism. I personally prefer the best of both, which is called social-liberalism.

marnick.4305:

plasmacutter.2709:

Other games stop TP manipulation by giving you multiple, predictable, skill-based ways of obtaining extremely in-demand items.

This reduces gold-trade systems between players to a matter of convenience rather than monopoly-supply.

It could be done in this way in this game as well.

Another way which absolutely would “stick-it” to fun-killing TP manipulators (which likely also run the farming-bots) would be to modify annoucements to prompt speculation on a given exotic or trade item, then surprise-patch that item as account bound and attainable cheaply through karma.

That would instantly destroy vast swaths of speculator wealth.

(for instance, a sudden patch that made precursors account-bound and placed a low karma-cap on t6 mats would utterly DESTROY the manipulation being conducted by gold-sale companies)

Typical socialist nonsense. If you can’t distribute wealth (which is a code word for stealing), you’d much rather destroy it … And typical for socialists is not to do it themselves, but rather have the government do it. Here, have some caviar.

Just think of the repercussions of your extremely silly ideas…
1/ Making precursors account bound would absolutely destroy any possibility to get a specific legendary unless you’re extremely wealthy. You would have to start gambling yourself which costs ungodly amounts of gold.

2/ Crafting materials bound to karma would completely destroy the trading post because there would be no reason at all to trade. But you’re right … no market means no wealth.

The end effect is the only thing socialism ever manages to accomplish … equal distribution of poverty.

If the rich people are eating bread, you will be eating crumbs. But if you take the bread away, you won’t be eating anything at all.

Apart from that, most people making money on the TP are legit players who just find small price imbalances. All talk about botting by these players is groundless accusations. Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? But once again .. to socialists a rich person is guilty until proven innocent.

To avoid all the above I would suggest making precursors account bound once bought of the TP. This would kill speculators and make it easier for people to buy a specific precursor that they intend to use and not flipp just to make money and further add to inflation. Speculators and Manipulators don’t produce….they only buy to flip driving up prices at a crazy pace.

That’s also a silly idea. Because it would be hard to code and the bugs would be hilariously frustrating.

The obvious and correct solution to a high-priced item is to increase the supply. ANet could raise drop rates, could increase exotic drop rates so ppl can take more chances with the forge, could implement a quest of some kind, etc. There are many ways to do this, they just are moving very slowly so the market doesn’t swing even more out of control.

I seriously think part of the problem with legendaries right now is that they changed from skins-only to permanent BiS items, but didn’t change the drop rate to account for the increased interest. So now people planning on playing this game long-term are seriously thinking about getting a legendary, when before fewer people were interested, but the drop rate on precursors is still terrible.

Price is going to rise and keep on rising until it hits a point where a player ready to get a legendary simply won’t pay that any more. And that’s a pretty high price, because getting all the other gifts is a huge sunk cost and people are going to feel compelled to finish so they don’t waste all that money.

marnick.4305:

plasmacutter.2709:

Typical socialist nonsense. If you can’t distribute wealth (which is a code word for stealing), you’d much rather destroy it

Please drop the black&white ideology.

The goal is to stop people who have power enough to fully manipulate the market to the deficit of the entire playerbase, or do you call antitrust actions to break up monopolies “socialism”?

Quite the contrary. Breaking up antitrusts is called capitalism, more specifically, it is a part of liberal capitalism. But you have no proof of any trusts or monopolies so please don’t accuse without evidence.

Do you not consider it mass theft of player effort when TP manipulators jack up the price of items needed for personal progression?

It is not theft. Someone is giving them more out of their free will. Theft involves taking money by force. You got your definition wrong. If you don’t want those “manipulators” have your money, don’t give it to them. But I wouldn’t call it theft.

Making precursors account bound would pave the way for either higher drop rates, or the establishment of other methods to gain precursors which reflect player skill or experience rather than gold gain.

You didn’t mention that. The only thing you claimed was destroying wealth. Why not do both… allow precursors to be sold AND to have a set path to get them? That’s what a capitalist would do to fix an oligopolist market.

The end effect is the only thing socialism ever manages to accomplish … equal distribution of poverty.

I hear Germany, where healthcare is free and unions have veto power over executive pay, is such a horrible economic mess that they’re propping up the EU solo.. oh wait, they have higher per capita median income than the US working half the hours.

As a matter of fact, I am Belgian yet I live and work in Germany. Let me give you the biggest errors in your statement:
- there is no minimum wage in Germany. If you want to work full time at 1€ per month, that’s totally possible.
- healthcare is not free and you won’t have any, unless someone pays for it. I pay my dues and because of that, I have “free” healthcare. People who don’t pay taxes don’t get healthcare. I know because I have to pay healthcare for my girlfriend until she can find a job.
- Labor Unions don’t have veto power. I don’t know who told you that but it’s just wrong. Labor Unions and Employer Unions have to work together and if either sets vetoes…. nothing is accomplished but equal sharing of poverty.

In Europe, Germany is seen as a heartless capitalist country by many socialists, and Germany is actively hated by many Greeks and Belgians because they are such a strong economy. Not good for socialists to see a capitalist nation does far better than socialist Belgium.
The statements you made (veto, higher average wage, free healthcare) are actually true for Belgium. Guess why I left Belgium to work in Germany and guess why Belgium is in such an economic mess?

With an economy based on social-liberal ideas, I can see how the US looks at is as a socialist nation, while socialist countries like Belgium believe it to be capitalist. It is neither, it is at an optimum between both ideas. And that’s why I don’t think in Black/White and you do. I don’t like capitalism nor socialism. I personally prefer the best of both, which is called social-liberalism.

Says the person hyperbolically throwing the word socialism around and claiming any effort to free people from the shackles of a permanent, predatory “lender class” will lead to complete and utter ruin.

You are flat-out lying saying i’m wrong about the strength of german unions. Germany’s economic success and powerful labor protection and representation are a direct repudiation of conservative “pure capitalism uber alles” dogma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unions_in_Germany

German industrial relations are characterized by a high degree of employee participation up to co-determination in companies’ boards (“Aufsichtsrat”), where trade unionists and works councils elected by employees have full voting rights. Local trade union representants are democratically elected by union members and formally largely autonomous.

plasmacutter.2709:

You are flat-out lying saying i’m wrong about the strength of german unions. Germany’s economic success and powerful labor protection and representation are a direct repudiation of conservative “pure capitalism uber alles” dogma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unions_in_Germany

German industrial relations are characterized by a high degree of employee participation up to co-determination in companies’ boards (“Aufsichtsrat”), where trade unionists and works councils elected by employees have full voting rights. Local trade union representants are democratically elected by union members and formally largely autonomous.

You obviously are extremely uninformed as to the economic structures in Germany. Much of Germany’s economic power is derived from their abuse of other members of the European Union. Germany’s economy is primarily based around their position as the third largest exporter in the world, despite a population of only 82 million people. Much of that trade is with other European Union members, and they’ve been a large political force behind much of the excessive government spending in nations like Greece. They allowed and encouraged the financial crises in Greece and Spain because it helped them increase their exports, and therefore provide for higher per capita incomes in Germany. Despite all of this, Germany still has a higher poverty rate than the United States.

All of this is ridiculously off topic, but suffice it to say that you’re not well informed about any of the economic realities in Germany, and you really shouldn’t be trying to explain to other people how things are there based solely upon a combination of your chosen political ideology and random Wikipedia articles.

Syeria.4812:

plasmacutter.2709:

You are flat-out lying saying i’m wrong about the strength of german unions. Germany’s economic success and powerful labor protection and representation are a direct repudiation of conservative “pure capitalism uber alles” dogma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unions_in_Germany

German industrial relations are characterized by a high degree of employee participation up to co-determination in companies’ boards (“Aufsichtsrat”), where trade unionists and works councils elected by employees have full voting rights. Local trade union representants are democratically elected by union members and formally largely autonomous.

You obviously are extremely uninformed as to the economic structures in Germany. Much of Germany’s economic power is derived from their abuse of other members of the European Union. Germany’s economy is primarily based around their position as the third largest exporter in the world, despite a population of only 82 million people. Much of that trade is with other European Union members, and they’ve been a large political force behind much of the excessive government spending in nations like Greece. They allowed and encouraged the financial crises in Greece and Spain because it helped them increase their exports, and therefore provide for higher per capita incomes in Germany. Despite all of this, Germany still has a higher poverty rate than the United States.

All of this is ridiculously off topic, but suffice it to say that you’re not well informed about any of the economic realities in Germany, and you really shouldn’t be trying to explain to other people how things are there based solely upon a combination of your chosen political ideology and random Wikipedia articles.

It’s been testified to me by people I know from Germany.

I’ve also been alive, conscious, and kicking long before the EU came about, and germany was just as economically active and viable before that.

Also, please debate honestly rather than employing “genetic fallacy”.

I also don’t have a “political ideology”. I have a rational mind informed by one degree in economics and one in computer science – my ideology is based on rationally provable meritocracy and maximizing individual choices, and you would be one to talk not backing up your anti-EU assertions with quantifiable plots that pass chow break tests to show the rise of the EU actually corresponds with the economic indicators you’re mentioning.

plasmacutter.2709:

Syeria.4812:

plasmacutter.2709:

You are flat-out lying saying i’m wrong about the strength of german unions. Germany’s economic success and powerful labor protection and representation are a direct repudiation of conservative “pure capitalism uber alles” dogma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unions_in_Germany

German industrial relations are characterized by a high degree of employee participation up to co-determination in companies’ boards (“Aufsichtsrat”), where trade unionists and works councils elected by employees have full voting rights. Local trade union representants are democratically elected by union members and formally largely autonomous.

You obviously are extremely uninformed as to the economic structures in Germany. Much of Germany’s economic power is derived from their abuse of other members of the European Union. Germany’s economy is primarily based around their position as the third largest exporter in the world, despite a population of only 82 million people. Much of that trade is with other European Union members, and they’ve been a large political force behind much of the excessive government spending in nations like Greece. They allowed and encouraged the financial crises in Greece and Spain because it helped them increase their exports, and therefore provide for higher per capita incomes in Germany. Despite all of this, Germany still has a higher poverty rate than the United States.

All of this is ridiculously off topic, but suffice it to say that you’re not well informed about any of the economic realities in Germany, and you really shouldn’t be trying to explain to other people how things are there based solely upon a combination of your chosen political ideology and random Wikipedia articles.

It’s been testified to me by people I know from Germany.

I’ve also been alive, conscious, and kicking long before the EU came about, and germany was just as economically active and viable before that.

Also, please debate honestly rather than employing “genetic fallacy”.

I also don’t have a “political ideology”. I have a rational mind informed by one degree in economics and one in computer science – my ideology is based on rationally provable meritocracy and maximizing individual choices.

Because we all know that random claimed anecdotes by anonymous “people in Germany” are 100% fact, and are obviously the best and greatest proof anyone has ever presented…

But I noticed you didn’t actually present any evidence for why your anecdotes are right, merely stating anyone who disagrees with you is wrong because “you know someone in Germany” and “you’re more than 19 years old.” The only one using “genetic fallacy” here is you Mr “I talked to someone in Germany once.”

Also, you’re the one crying about “conservative pure capitalism uber alles dogma.” I guess I missed that class while I was getting my Economics degree.

Syeria.4812:

plasmacutter.2709:

Syeria.4812:

plasmacutter.2709:

You are flat-out lying saying i’m wrong about the strength of german unions. Germany’s economic success and powerful labor protection and representation are a direct repudiation of conservative “pure capitalism uber alles” dogma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unions_in_Germany

German industrial relations are characterized by a high degree of employee participation up to co-determination in companies’ boards (“Aufsichtsrat”), where trade unionists and works councils elected by employees have full voting rights. Local trade union representants are democratically elected by union members and formally largely autonomous.

You obviously are extremely uninformed as to the economic structures in Germany. Much of Germany’s economic power is derived from their abuse of other members of the European Union. Germany’s economy is primarily based around their position as the third largest exporter in the world, despite a population of only 82 million people. Much of that trade is with other European Union members, and they’ve been a large political force behind much of the excessive government spending in nations like Greece. They allowed and encouraged the financial crises in Greece and Spain because it helped them increase their exports, and therefore provide for higher per capita incomes in Germany. Despite all of this, Germany still has a higher poverty rate than the United States.

All of this is ridiculously off topic, but suffice it to say that you’re not well informed about any of the economic realities in Germany, and you really shouldn’t be trying to explain to other people how things are there based solely upon a combination of your chosen political ideology and random Wikipedia articles.

It’s been testified to me by people I know from Germany.

I’ve also been alive, conscious, and kicking long before the EU came about, and germany was just as economically active and viable before that.

Also, please debate honestly rather than employing “genetic fallacy”.

I also don’t have a “political ideology”. I have a rational mind informed by one degree in economics and one in computer science – my ideology is based on rationally provable meritocracy and maximizing individual choices.

Because we all know that random claimed anecdotes by anonymous “people in Germany” are 100% fact, and are obviously the best and greatest proof anyone has ever presented…

But I noticed you didn’t actually present any evidence for why your anecdotes are right, merely stating anyone who disagrees with you is wrong because “you know someone in Germany” and “you’re more than 19 years old.” The only one using “genetic fallacy” here is you Mr “I talked to someone in Germany once.”

Also, you’re the one crying about “conservative pure capitalism uber alles dogma.” I guess I missed that class while I was getting my Economics degree.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2011/12/21/germany-builds-twice-as-many-cars-as-the-u-s-while-paying-its-auto-workers-twice-as-much/

Oh look, forbes backs wikipedia up on the facts, too – unions collaborate with management to set policies. (this extends to the boardrooms) I suppose three sources are not enough?

Can’t they just put a hard dollar cap on the maximum amount you can list an item for?

Max, 500g for any item in the game? Just a thought.

Avigrus.2871:

Can’t they just put a hard dollar cap on the maximum amount you can list an item for?

Max, 500g for any item in the game? Just a thought.

Honestly, at that point a lot of items just leave circulation – there is no point selling the highest tier items at that price, so you’re better off keeping them to trade informally amongst peers who can pay you back proportionately over time.

In other words, it won’t reduce the cost of anything, it’ll just move the top items “off the books”

plasmacutter.2709:

marnick

With an economy based on social-liberal ideas, I can see how the US looks at is as a socialist nation, while socialist countries like Belgium believe it to be capitalist. It is neither, it is at an optimum between both ideas. And that’s why I don’t think in Black/White and you do. I don’t like capitalism nor socialism. I personally prefer the best of both, which is called social-liberalism.

Says the person hyperbolically throwing the word socialism around and claiming any effort to free people from the shackles of a permanent, predatory “lender class” will lead to complete and utter ruin.

You are flat-out lying saying i’m wrong about the strength of german unions. Germany’s economic success and powerful labor protection and representation are a direct repudiation of conservative “pure capitalism uber alles” dogma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unions_in_Germany

German industrial relations are characterized by a high degree of employee participation up to co-determination in companies’ boards (“Aufsichtsrat”), where trade unionists and works councils elected by employees have full voting rights. Local trade union representants are democratically elected by union members and formally largely autonomous.

Almost but no. The only reason Germany carries the whole lot in Europe is because Germany is the LEAST socialist country in Europe. I come from Belgium where unions quite literally rule the country. All 6 vice ministers are in one way or another former union members. It is the very reason why Belgium is in such a kittenhole.

Compared to that, unions in Germany are just a part of company culture and rightfully so. Unions do not stand above the employers as is the case in Belgium, but rather side by side.

And still you have not proven that a “lended class” exists in GW2. What all of you fail to understand is that maybe, just maybe, precursors are intended to be expensive.

Avigrus.2871:

Can’t they just put a hard dollar cap on the maximum amount you can list an item for?

Max, 500g for any item in the game? Just a thought.

Most .stupid. idea. in all of socialism. Has been tried over and over in other games and failed nations such as the CCCP, DPRK, Belgium and Cuba. It never works. It only removes the items from the marketplace.

I’m pretty sure a price ceiling would just make the problem worse. The result would be a shortage caused by increased demand for an already under supplied item.

That’s just my initial assessment of the move. I could be mistaken.

Or can just sell 1 precursor on one account. and when you sold it you get 1 week ban to selling precursors again. no more 1 or 10 persons control precursors

I’m not in favor of capping item prices, especially in reference to precursors. But I don’t think it would have drastic negative effects in terms of them being removed from the market place. After all, there is only one way to trade, and that is through the TP.

No one would gamble with the mail system in this game with the amount of scamming that people can get away with. Same thing with a newly created guild for guild bank trades between two people. The only items that would be removed as a result are items that the potential seller was on the fence about keeping for their personal use, which would be far and few between considering that the amount of sellers for Dusk, Dawn, and Legend can be counted on two hands.

I’m still against capping item prices. But if such a limit was placed upon precursors, the results would not be devastating in the least.

Simpler solution would be to simply make it so that items that are valued over X amount (arbitrary number, say 250 gold) cannot be relisted for X amount of time (another arbitrary number, say 2 weeks).

If you buy an item for 225 gold, you can relist it immediately if you want to flip it.

If you buy an item for 250+, you can’t relist it for 2 weeks.

This time frame significantly increases the risk that the manipulator would be taking, in that risking a large amount of gold on 1 item (or 10, or whatever) in hopes of flipping it means that their money is essentially “frozen” for a period of time.

Increase these numbers as the price gets higher:

200 gold item, 2 weeks.
300 gold item, 3 weeks.
400 gold item, 4 weeks.
500 gold item, 5 weeks.

Have fun risking 3500 gold on a couple Dawns (@500g each) that you bought today which you can’t relist until March 4th.

The risk in this time is extraordinary, a LOT can happen in this time frame.

I fail to get the purpose of this thread… I sense some QQrage from the OP because he didnt get his precursor, so no one should get them or no one should make profit because they got one.

And please stop using this “manipulation” word every 10 minutes, there are about 50 threads talking about “market manipulation” in this subforum, seems it’s the new word to use if you want to sound smart.

Here’s how it works : something is rare, so it’s expansive. Period.
Yes, there is and always has been speculation. Problem ?

Now you dont have to buy your precursor, you can get it from bosses, chests or (mostly) using the Mystic Forge.

The post with the most sense i read here was :

Sunreva.8714:

Simpler solution would be to simply make it so that items that are valued over X amount (arbitrary number, say 250 gold) cannot be relisted for X amount of time (another arbitrary number, say 2 weeks).

If you buy an item for 225 gold, you can relist it immediately if you want to flip it.

If you buy an item for 250+, you can’t relist it for 2 weeks.

This time frame significantly increases the risk that the manipulator would be taking, in that risking a large amount of gold on 1 item (or 10, or whatever) in hopes of flipping it means that their money is essentially “frozen” for a period of time.

Increase these numbers as the price gets higher:

200 gold item, 2 weeks.
300 gold item, 3 weeks.
400 gold item, 4 weeks.
500 gold item, 5 weeks.

Have fun risking 3500 gold on a couple Dawns (@500g each) that you bought today which you can’t relist until March 4th.

The risk in this time is extraordinary, a LOT can happen in this time frame.

Now off to the Mystic Forge !
/evil market manipulator smile

you can’t fix manipulation without destroying the whole trading aspect. If you increase the amount of precursors, more people will get one and for example more tier 6 mats will be purchased. This will simply make ’’manipulation’’ shift to the new limiting item.

Jiro.6589:

you can’t fix manipulation without destroying the whole trading aspect. If you increase the amount of precursors, more people will get one and for example more tier 6 mats will be purchased. This will simply make ’’manipulation’’ shift to the new limiting item.

True; but it’s much easier to manipulate items there are only a handfull of than it is to manipulate a crafting material.

Sunreva.8714:

If you buy an item for 250+, you can’t relist it for 2 weeks.

That would be the biggest manipulation yet, that would only make the prices go higher due to the very significant decrease in available supply.