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Posted by: Tiriyon.8735

Tiriyon.8735

Hello everyone,
I would like to know what can be assumed as an exploit, exploiting the Trading Post so I can be aware and not fall for an exploit I didn’t know of.
I would like to open a RP guild which focus on playing the market to earn gold for the guild, lower prices in the trading post for others benefit and sharing the gold with other RP guilds via RP (Example pay 10 gold a character to hire mercenaries).

The issue itself alarms me that it might be an exploit, using the trading post, inflation deflation it. Although these things happen by resellers and other traders.

I had a guild with the same purpose in WoW and it was ok by Blizzard, I would like to know if it’s ok by Anet too.

It’s merely playing the trading post, as a feature in a game I assume it’s playable.
Also it’s a nice added complimentary aspect for role-players as they earn “free gold” for doing what they always do and now able to afford gear as well.

Thanks for the help!

I don’t want to get perma banned for not knowing (I have searched for any topic explaining bans and reasons, only found on the names and chat issues, oh and snowflakes)

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Posted by: John Smith.4610

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The trading post is part of Tyria, I know of no current way to earn a ban interacting with it.

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Posted by: Tiriyon.8735

Tiriyon.8735

Thank you good sir, I will take this as a green light.

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

Arganthium.5638

I always wanted to make a banking guild that would deal loans and whatnot. Unfortunately, after fantasizing about it for two days, I decided that it was either impossible or far too difficult to maintain such a guild while avoiding scammers, theft, etc.

Good luck, though!

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Posted by: munkiman.3068

munkiman.3068

please feel free to attempt to invert the tp in your favor, is what i gather from that, G’luck

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Posted by: Essence Snow.3194

Essence Snow.3194

The trading post is part of Tyria, I know of no current way to earn a ban interacting with it.

So we can take that as an ok for all the trading tools as well? ex) things like zicore’s trading notifier

Serenity now~Insanity later

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Posted by: Kraggy.4169

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The trading post is part of Tyria, I know of no current way to earn a ban interacting with it.

Which of course is one of the reasons the economy is screwed-up entirely in some areas.

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Posted by: Ursan.7846

Ursan.7846

The trading post is part of Tyria, I know of no current way to earn a ban interacting with it.

Which of course is one of the reasons the economy is screwed-up entirely in some areas.

“The economy is screwed up because it’s a part of Tyria…?”

“The economy is screwed up because you can’t get banned for interacting with it…?”

Care to elucidate your point? Because they sound ridiculous.

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Posted by: Olba.5376

Olba.5376

The trading post is part of Tyria, I know of no current way to earn a ban interacting with it.

So we can take that as an ok for all the trading tools as well? ex) things like zicore’s trading notifier

That’s not a valid deduction, as John’s statement is clearly about interacting within the game as a playable character, rather than interacting with the TP at all.

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The trading post is part of Tyria, I know of no current way to earn a ban interacting with it.

So we can take that as an ok for all the trading tools as well? ex) things like zicore’s trading notifier

That’s not a valid deduction, as John’s statement is clearly about interacting within the game as a playable character, rather than interacting with the TP at all.

Olba is correct, I am referring to interacting with the TP inside the game, I don’t have any official statement to make on outside the game applications.

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

Khisanth.2948

The trading post is part of Tyria, I know of no current way to earn a ban interacting with it.

Which of course is one of the reasons the economy is screwed-up entirely in some areas.

“The economy is screwed up because it’s a part of Tyria…?”

“The economy is screwed up because you can’t get banned for interacting with it…?”

Care to elucidate your point? Because they sound ridiculous.

“The economy is screwed up because you can’t get banned for interacting with it…?” sounds like the usual “this game would be so much better without the Trading Post” … because WTB/WTS/WTT all day in Spamadan was SOOOOOOO much better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: ThePedroKid.2580

ThePedroKid.2580

I have personally known three people in game, through a guild I was in at the time, who have been banned or ‘temporarily banned’ for, and I quote, “Market Manipulation”.

These players were all legit. They all earned their gold through luck/farming/TP legit, or, through large gem purchases (one of them blew a very significant amount on buying gems to sell is my understanding). Regardless, they came into significant amounts of gold allowing them to buy large quantities of items on the TP.

In the case of the ‘high roller’, he did it explicitly out of frustration with mat pricing. So, he bought enough gold, legitimately through the gem store, to buy every single one of a certain item on the TP and jack up the price five fold.

Again, all in game interaction through legitimate means, yet, banned for “Market Manipulation”.

So, please, explain to everyone here how you can advise this individual that it’s okay when, in fact, it appears not to be.

Thank you.

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Posted by: Eley.1907

Eley.1907

So, such programs as Trading Post Notifier are not considered as bots?

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

People that use such programs should banned with a special in-game hammer that bashes on them while they have to watch how, each second, an item in their inventory is destroyed, and all their coin is slowly sucked into a virtual vacuum cleaner.

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Posted by: munkiman.3068

munkiman.3068

So, such programs as Trading Post Notifier are not considered as bots?

I would assume no, since there is an approved (somewhat API for watching the TP). Maybe the crew at anet needs to discuss what they will allow, but at this moment they gave people access to TP data it’s up to them how they think it’s breaching contractual rules. I can easily build the notifier based on web data pulled from the TP.

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

So, such programs as Trading Post Notifier are not considered as bots?

Use of these programs is governed by several instruments. I’ll include relevant sections from two of them, below, namely the User Agreement and the Third Party Program Policy.

User Agreement

1. Definitions

p) Service — Any online service provided by NCSOFT for the Game.
q) Software — Any software provided by NCSOFT related to the Game, including but not limited to software installed on a computer owned by You or someone else, along with any subsequent versions, enhancements, modifications, upgrades or patches to such software.

8. PROHIBITED AND IRREPARABLY HARMFUL ACTIVITIES CONCERNING NCSOFT

You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCSOFT, do any of the following:

(h) Use, or provide others with, any service related to the Game, including but not limited to:

- any service that interacts with the Software; or
[…]

(i) You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCSOFT, do any of the following:

- Use, obtain or provide data related to operation of the Game, including but not limited to:

- software that reads areas of computer memory or storage devices related to the Game;
- software that intercepts or otherwise collects data from or through the Game;
- software that redirects communications from any Software or Service; or
- software not provided by NCSOFT which creates or maintains any communication to the Software or Service, including but not limited to any software that emulates the Software or any part thereof as well as any server that emulates the Service or any part thereof;

Source: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

Third Party Program policy

“Our general policy is that anything that gives advantage is forbidden; anything that imbalances the game in favor of one player over another is strictly disallowed.”

“Does this program allow someone to play faster, better, longer, or more accurately than someone who doesn’t use it?”
“Does this program allow someone to ‘play’ when he/she is not at the computer?”
“Does this program allow the user to gain undeserved rewards?”
Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Policy-3rd-Party-Programs-Multi-Boxing-Macros

Trade post notifier

From Zicore’s website, although this service is not exclusively offered by Zicore, the notifier is described as follows:

It now also notifies, when you have sold or bought stuff. You also can enable notifications of transactions, when someone is over/under-cutting you.

Source: http://notifier.zicore.de/

You can be notified of being undercut in 2 ways: with, or without using your “session key”. If you use the session key, the notification is based on “live” information. If you don’t use the session key, you’ll be notified based on information from GW2 Spidy, which is “old”, cached information. People that download this program obviously want an edge over other traders, so one can safely presume they will use the session key to get live notifications.

Conclusion:

I believe the User Agreement and the Third Party Policy are crystal clear on this issue. Using the “session key” for live notifications of undercutting is a direct violation of User Agreement Rules 8 (h) and (i), as well as the Third Party Policy.
People that use a notifier create a huge advantage over players that don’t use a third party program. This a no-brainer any way you look at it.

The only possible reason I can think of why nothing is done to combat these clear violations, is that there is no way to enforce them.

Never issue a warning you can’t enforce. And since it can’t be enforced, no warning can be issued, either.

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Posted by: Tiriyon.8735

Tiriyon.8735

Wow, this simple question deteriorate to such off topic discussing 3rd party programs (which are stated as illegal and ban-able issue) and why the TP’s not good for other players? pshh…
Well, if any trader is interested in my idea just pm me or whisper/mail in-game.
[EU] and I don’t care for server.

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Posted by: Lisa.6102

Lisa.6102

I have personally known three people in game, through a guild I was in at the time, who have been banned or ‘temporarily banned’ for, and I quote, “Market Manipulation”.

These players were all legit. They all earned their gold through luck/farming/TP legit, or, through large gem purchases (one of them blew a very significant amount on buying gems to sell is my understanding). Regardless, they came into significant amounts of gold allowing them to buy large quantities of items on the TP.

In the case of the ‘high roller’, he did it explicitly out of frustration with mat pricing. So, he bought enough gold, legitimately through the gem store, to buy every single one of a certain item on the TP and jack up the price five fold.

Again, all in game interaction through legitimate means, yet, banned for “Market Manipulation”.

So, please, explain to everyone here how you can advise this individual that it’s okay when, in fact, it appears not to be.

Thank you.

Can you be sure though that what he has told you is the absolute truth? you can’t be 100% certain unless you were that person.

There seriously has to be more to it than that, I hope

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Posted by: marnick.4305

marnick.4305

I have personally known three people in game, through a guild I was in at the time, who have been banned or ‘temporarily banned’ for, and I quote, “Market Manipulation”.

These players were all legit. They all earned their gold through luck/farming/TP legit, or, through large gem purchases (one of them blew a very significant amount on buying gems to sell is my understanding). Regardless, they came into significant amounts of gold allowing them to buy large quantities of items on the TP.

In the case of the ‘high roller’, he did it explicitly out of frustration with mat pricing. So, he bought enough gold, legitimately through the gem store, to buy every single one of a certain item on the TP and jack up the price five fold.

Again, all in game interaction through legitimate means, yet, banned for “Market Manipulation”.

So, please, explain to everyone here how you can advise this individual that it’s okay when, in fact, it appears not to be.

Thank you.

Never do things out of frustration. That only ends in disaster.

In this case, market manipulation wasn’t the proper term. I would have called is harassment of the entire playerbase. As you may or may not know, harassment, especially through frustration, is not allowed as per the EULA. Imho the ban was justified.

Furthermore, screenshots or it didn’t happen. I don’t judge by forum hearsay.

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Posted by: John Smith.4610

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I’ve never heard of this happening, if you give me the names of your friends I’ll look into it.

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Posted by: Vol.5241

Vol.5241

Perhaps market manipulation is too broad of a term.

Schemes such as pump and dump are generally frowned upon and fit in with market manipulation. I’m not sure if that is a bannable offense, though.

Manipulation schemes such as buying all supply or faking demand – I really don’t see how that is bannable

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Posted by: Lonewolf Kai.3682

Lonewolf Kai.3682

I have personally known three people in game, through a guild I was in at the time, who have been banned or ‘temporarily banned’ for, and I quote, “Market Manipulation”.

These players were all legit. They all earned their gold through luck/farming/TP legit, or, through large gem purchases (one of them blew a very significant amount on buying gems to sell is my understanding). Regardless, they came into significant amounts of gold allowing them to buy large quantities of items on the TP.

In the case of the ‘high roller’, he did it explicitly out of frustration with mat pricing. So, he bought enough gold, legitimately through the gem store, to buy every single one of a certain item on the TP and jack up the price five fold.

Again, all in game interaction through legitimate means, yet, banned for “Market Manipulation”.

So, please, explain to everyone here how you can advise this individual that it’s okay when, in fact, it appears not to be.

Thank you.

Furthermore, screenshots or it didn’t happen. I don’t judge by forum hearsay.

This ^

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