Guild Wars 2

I’ve just opened more then 100 chests, there is no way that the rate is that high. also, a friend of mine opened more then 300 chests and got no coupon.
Anet- you suck! You just cost me a big load of $ and gold!

You are just unlucky like me. Openened 500 chest and no pernament stuff.

30 chests, no coupon. gg anet

Amazing how you actually think its as simple as “Unlucky”… im pretty sure its a bug of some sort. there is no way you open 500 chests and get nothing. and if there is, someone should sue Anet for stealing all of our money for false promises.

100 boxes and I got no coupons, one more random money sink other than the mystic money toilet

Add another 100 chests to the sad total.

I do however have about 50 more Black Lion Harvesting Tools ready to gather dust.

Rising Dusk.2408:

You are the reason why ANet keeps adding stuff to the Black Lion Casino Chests. Stop spending so much money and you’ll make more of a point than complaining on the forums can.

While I agree that complaining is bound to do little, blaming the players for spending money on what they think will result in a new skin, seems a little unfair.

The whole situation of Black Lion skin drops seems a bit like a few steps forward, a few steps back.

At Halloween, the Halloween skins had a dismal drop rate. If you got lucky though, it wasn’t account bound and you could make a pretty penny off it. Call it a Lose-Win situation.

Come Christmas, weapon skins were account bound, but even though you could get a ticket as a drop from the Wintersday Gem chests, you could also buy them from the store. Most would agree this is ideal, and a Win-Win situation, I think.

Now, Fused skins are account bound, and you can only get them from a very low RNG chance from BL chests. Really seems like a Lose-Lose Situation.

If this is a step backward from the Wintersday situation, I don’t think it’s fair to blame the consumers. With a drop rate that seems crazy low (0/100 in my case, more for some of the others posting here), I don’t think any of us were expecting such a poor rate of return.

I would ask the devs: do you think that the current drop rates for Fused skins (whatever they are), are fair? Right now it seems abysmally low, almost as bad (though I’m sure it’s not THAT low) as permanent items.

With a return rate this low, it just seems like a bit of a burn to people that are willing to put substantial money back into the game.

There is no thinking involved. You get the chest knowing full well that it is RNG and that you have a slim to virtually nonexistent chance of getting what you want. This is several steps backwards, I agree. They had it right with Wintersday, and decided they needed to make several dozen thousand dollars, so they did this again. The fact that people spend money on it is why they took these steps backwards; by not spending your money on it you make a statement about the ridiculousness of the system they are currently implementing.

Buying $100 of keys and then complaining on the forums achieves the exact opposite of why you complained in the first place. Your money reminds them why they do it this way. It really boils down to what keeps ANet in business. This business model works, and I don’t blame ANet for needing to make money, I blame the consumer for not knowing full well what they were getting into before they clicked “Confirm” when they buy the keys.

Problem of the gold to gem conversion perhaps. How to put a price tag on something at which most people don’t convert their gold to gems and have everything right away.
Might be a reason, not that I like it.

What is the drop chance of the tokens? i just popped 40 chests open and got 0 tokens. (40 gold + 20 euros :| )
edit: I wish they would sell the tokens on BLTC :P

4th chest got one..

Just random as normal.

oh and opened 10 more and nothing.. (edit to include that)

Rising Dusk.2408:

There is no thinking involved. You get the chest knowing full well that it is RNG and that you have a slim to virtually nonexistent chance of getting what you want.

I agree, and I don’t. Perhaps because no one wants to be called a sucker, even if they know they probably are. More to the point, I’d rather not think Anet thinks I’m a sucker for buying their chests. If that is in fact the case, well… that just sucks.

My point is that right now the Fused skins are being presented unfairly – as in, they are being presented as having a reasonable chance of dropping from Black Lion chests.

Did you see the latest newsletter?

This is how the Fused weapons were presented (and I’m cutting and pasting here):

New Items in the Gem Store!
Gather around the warm glow of the Campfire, a new item that provides powerful buffs to players who stoke the flames. Give your weapons that hybrid Molten Alliance look with 16 new Fused weapon skins, which can be found in the Black Lion Chest. Rename your character with the new Name Change feature!

I understand that’s probably a different team that put that together, but if you read that, you wouldn’t think the new weapons were a hyper-rare drop.

To put things in perspective, I got the Endless Mystery Tonic – yet no ticket. That’s great and all, and I’m aware that RNG is RNG, but my point, I guess, is that the tickets currently seem to have a pretty silly drop rate.

That said… if fools we are for gambling on the skins, then fools we are, and I suppose we should – as you say – stop throwing our money at the RNG items we want (and stupidly think are attainable – because that’s what the marketing is telling us).

Essentially, I am arguing that if they are going to offer something so prominently, as they are with the Fused skins, the drop rate should not be prohibitive – especially when it’s account bound, and especially when you are either paying real money, or dealing with the atrocious gold to gem exchange rates.

The skins are pretty epic, I actually value them more than a legendary ^^ I have no desire to shoot unicorns or flash black fog around, not my thing. But these are large and noticeable and I think I shall consider them my Legendary weapon skins

Geotherma.2395:

The skins are pretty epic, I actually value them more than a legendary ^^ I have no desire to shoot unicorns or flash black fog around, not my thing. But these are large and noticeable and I think I shall consider them my Legendary weapon skins

Heh. If they remain as they are right now, the cost might be comparable…

(Slight Exaggeration Based Wholly On RNG)

Wow, kitten
I didn’t know the chances were being that bad for the majority…
I was thinking they were going to be pretty easy to get, since a friend opened one and got one, and his guild leader bought ten and got nine…
I’m speechless about his luck I guess, uh.

Dan.8709:

Wow, kitten
I didn’t know the chances were being that bad for the majority…
I was thinking they were going to be pretty easy to get, since a friend opened one and got one, and his guild leader bought tem and got nine…
I’m speechless about his luck I guess, uh.

Reading this, I feel like I just found out I’m on Santa’s Naughty list, or something.

Tell that man to go do some gambling for Precursors in the Mystic Forge, because yikes. Dat Luck.

In any case, this makes me even more curious as to what the actual drop chance is on the tickets…

Transparency on this would be a very enlightening thing right now.

Opened 85 and got 3 tokens and 2 name change contract.

Content added to a lotto system that 500 “tickets” get you nothing is basically content not added.

Boss: we need a quick boost to the end of year figures.
Dev: I could do some awesome new flame coated ancient weapons people would love but it will take me 3 months to do the programing and check all the clipping issues for every race.
Boss: we need em now do some pretty pics splash them on twitter and we can put the weapons in the boxes next month

Since I usually buy keys for BL-chests only when I want to restock my boosts, I’m generally satisfied after 5-10 boxes. I also like the guild rep items you can get. Anything beyond that is usually a startling surprise.

I keep the Gem store on a steady diet of about 25$ every other month (my equivalent of paying a monthly fee for a game I like). Things like new box goodies may change the precise way I spend those gems, but they don’t do much to my overall budget.

Disapointment = the distance between faulty expectations and reality.

(I looked at the fusion weapons… while well done, there are none that I really need to enhance the look/theme of any of my current characters. Firey weapons aren’t exactly a novel addtion to the game…)

Thank you Nike for keeping the game running for all of us who rarely if ever by Gems with actual cash.

For as long as you incredibly intelligent people fall for their marketing shenanigans, you will continue to lose gold/$ – I have pretty much lost any and all respect for this company. Anet/Ncsoft is making Blizzard look like a darling angel in comparison, which is impressive…

You have this great gem store concept, and you reduce it to a money grubbing, sleezy casino that doesn’t have to post the odds of winning – absolutely disgusting.

My pleasure .

I always try to slap some money in the hands of people who entertain me. I had a peice of art I’d downloaded and used for my desktop for a while. I found the artist at a convention and bought some of his prints and told hem I wanted to make sure he got some of my cash because I’d used his work as my desktop. …He seemed startled.

Tanef.7284:

Anet- you suck! You just cost me a big load of $ and gold!

Pretty sure you did that to yourself. Gambling is a problem.

They did not make any promises about how many chests you’d need to guarantee a ticket. They didn’t say “one out of every X chests is a winner.” They just said “rare” chance.

Some people will get one on the first try, but most will probably have to burn through stacks of these things to get a winner. Best bet (I made a pun!) is to just play the game and don’t worry about it. If you’re meant to get one, you’ll eventually get one.

Does anyone even know how long the weapon tickets will even be available? Is it possible it’s a permanent addition to the chest’s loot tables? If so then that’s great—a perfectly justified addition to help spice up the dismal loot you can get from the chests.

So, what’s the difference now between GW2 and those so called “Free to Play” games? You get bunch of goodies based on “rare luck”.

Open more chest, is worth it, great looking sword, looks way better than the COF weapon, probly took Anet very long time to make this skin

Tanef.7284:

Amazing how you actually think its as simple as “Unlucky”… im pretty sure its a bug of some sort. there is no way you open 500 chests and get nothing. and if there is, someone should sue Anet for stealing all of our money for false promises.

If they are actually getting “nothing” they need to file a support claim.

If they simply are not getting the item(s) they want, well, RNG. Unless you can show me somewhere where Anet promises those specific items within X chests?

Rajani Isa.6294:

Tanef.7284:

Amazing how you actually think its as simple as “Unlucky”… im pretty sure its a bug of some sort. there is no way you open 500 chests and get nothing. and if there is, someone should sue Anet for stealing all of our money for false promises.

If they are actually getting “nothing” they need to file a support claim.

If they simply are not getting the item(s) they want, well, RNG. Unless you can show me somewhere where Anet promises those specific items within X chests?

I wouldn’t be honest if I called it getting nothing, but one of the chests I opened with a purchased key contained only a bag of coins that gave me 3 silver…was like lemon juice on a paper cut. :\

0/100 BL Chests here. Thanks Anet.

They will never tell you the drop chance of ANYTHING in Guild Wars 2. That’s their whole business model. They can adjust the drop rate of anything they want to whatever they want anytime they want without us noticing.

The more rare something becomes the higher the need to buy gems.
The more infrequent the drop rate; the longer the player plays the game.

This business model only works on a younger and ignorant target market. Hello T rating.

I’m getting SO SICK of all of these RNG based rewards, especially the account/soulbound ones.

To get 100 keys it’s somewhere between 9,000-12,500 gems (according to if you buy in bulk). To buy that many gems is costs between about $112-$157.

And you wonder why they keep adding RNG systems like this?!

lol.

Anet continues to do this because people are so eager to throw money at them.

This is a Lottery, and you can play well without the Fused weapons …
Honestly, read the whine is really funn, GG Anet

omg… i just spent my whole bank, my whole 180g+ to get one of these… i opened 3 and got a coupon on my 3rd, but as i was going for dagger, it looked stupid with just one of them, so i bought 10 more chests, didnt get anything… 100+ more chests later i still got nothing… MAKE US PLAY GAME CONTENT TO POTENTIALLY GET IT AS A REWARD instead of making us waste all our gold on gambling for it, it’s ridiculous and one should think you learned something from the halloween chest rant! wow.. just wow

Noviere.7309:

Anet continues to do this because people are so eager to throw money at them.

And right they are! Come on, Anet is a business, and it needs to make money to keep one of the biggest MMO’s in the world running smoothly. They need to pay investors, stockholders, developers, servers, maintenance guys, buildings, administration staff and whatnot to keep this thing going. Let them have it.

They made awesome skins, as store skins always are – and should be (otherwise, no money for Anet, and no money for Anet means less money for development). Yes, I was lucky; I opened 40 chests, but my ticket was already in the first 10 chests. Before opening, I had already read the stories, so I knew it was a gamble, and I knew the odds were against me. First rule in gambling; never bet with money that you can’t afford to lose.

Halloween all over again… yaaaay… :/

Just when you thought the devs learned a good lesson and improved on this mindless fiasco when Wintersday came along, here they go and fall face first into the same hole they dug last time. Learning from past mistakes seems harder than one would think.

What makes me headbutt the hell out of my desk though is the inane backwards thinking that went into all of this. Adding chances to find special items in BL chests is not a bad idea, but if it’s story themed then also add ways to earn said items in the kitten game.

I mean, the fused weapons are basically F&F themed items, so logically one would think these items would be obtainable in the F&F storyline. Instead we now have to pay just to have an insanely slim chance to get even close to one of these items. Here’s a crazy idea, why not reward people for playing the kitten story you’ve been working your butts off over the last few months, that way you can physically display your appreciation, and make it so that alts can also play the story and get their own item. But no, greed conquest all every time.

Buttercup.5871:

Noviere.7309:

Anet continues to do this because people are so eager to throw money at them.

And right they are! Come on, Anet is a business, and it needs to make money to keep one of the biggest MMO’s in the world running smoothly. They need to pay investors, stockholders, developers, servers, maintenance guys, buildings, administration staff and whatnot to keep this thing going. Let them have it.

I don’t disagree with you on that, at all. I want Anet to be profitable, because it means they can afford to add more content.

That said, I don’t buy anything that relies on RNG because I know I will always walk away disappointed. Don’t get me wrong — I’ve spent my fair share of money at the gem store since launch! I just limit my purchases to items that are a sure thing(ie: character slots, bank slots, makeover kits, etc…).

Wow, you guys are really unlucky. I got my fused on my 5th try. One person in my guild has like 10 fused weapons already, and a few others that tried have. None are experiencing this problem.
So thanks Anet. I got my fancy new weapon, and good luck to the rest of you. May the gods of RNG shine upon you.

Well, first of all to the OP: thank you! People like you keep this game running. Sure, you have been lied to. Sure, you lost alot of money. But, it’s for the rgeater good!

Second… this is what gambling companies do: they don’t tell you the price, they just take as much money from you as possible. Making you think ‘hey, the NEXT time can be the good one’ is a know marketing trick.

Third: if you don’t know by now that the BL chests are basically a tax for dumb people, you will never get it.

Forth… posts likes yours are probably printed out by the marketing person at Anet and then shown to their boss, saying : ‘look at this, boss, I made this dude buy 100 chests, give me a raise, I’m the best in taking people’s money!’.

So far I have not bought any keys, I am planning on getting some but with ingame gold. Anyway I did use some of the keys I already had, from just playing the game and story, and with those few keys I did not get the item I wanted. The ticket for the weapons.

First, I know some have got it often others have spent many more keys and got nothing. I know a friend who used 17 key’s and got 1 ticket. This is not the problem for me, how many key’s it takes is just the same if it takes 1 or 100. It is gambling, and in my opinion it is a bad thing for Anet to do.

The Christmas event was good, it did one thing better then all the rest and that was to let me buy the items I wanted! It is a simple thing, but I just bought them stright away from the Gem store. No gambling. Now I think this was a success, as I guess many people got those nice weapons. So why did you go back to the BLC only method? I do not like gambling, but I want these weapons. If they were in the Gem story to get separately, I would buy them all. Now ill be lucky if I get one.
Oh and it gets worse, you can not even sell them. So at least we could buy them on the TP for Halloween, but not got F&F. Great job Anet, you are letting people down.

DOW Mageski.2097:

The Christmas event was good, it did one thing better then all the rest and that was to let me buy the items I wanted!

4 minipets were pure rng.

Gasoline.2570:

DOW Mageski.2097:

The Christmas event was good, it did one thing better then all the rest and that was to let me buy the items I wanted!

4 minipets were pure rng.

But you could buy 5 of the others, only getting 3 without buying them, and you could buy all the weapons and town cloths. I never said there was no RNG, but at least we had other things to spend our money on.

Oh and I did the Christmas chests and got the 3 mini pets, then turned them into a Quaggan. So the odds at Christmas were better then now.

I bought 15 keys and got nothing worth anything. But I knew I probably wouldn’t going in. I buy $20 in gems every month and spend them on random things in the gem store that peak my interest. The problem is many people here have a gambling addiction and don’t know when to stop.

If I remember correctly, during the Halloween event (or maybe Wintersday) they acknowledged the low drop rate and increased the rates from chests in a patch. But they didn’t give any refunds to people that already wasted their money. There’s always a possibility they’ll do that again, the scam seemed to work well the first time. You may want to stop wasting your money.

Noviere.7309:

Anet continues to do this because people are so eager to throw money at them.

This. Until we stop buying the keys from the BLTC, this is never going to change.

Also, as they keep adding more and more items that can come from the chest, the lower the chance you are going to get for any one specific thing, unless they start increasing the number of items we get (which I’m pretty sure will NEVER happen).

So just like Halloween, I’m not buying any and forgoing them (just the like the scythe I want, but will never have).

DOW Mageski.2097:

Gasoline.2570:

DOW Mageski.2097:

The Christmas event was good, it did one thing better then all the rest and that was to let me buy the items I wanted!

4 minipets were pure rng.

But you could buy 5 of the others, only getting 3 without buying them, and you could buy all the weapons and town cloths. I never said there was no RNG, but at least we had other things to spend our money on.

Oh and I did the Christmas chests and got the 3 mini pets, then turned them into a Quaggan. So the odds at Christmas were better then now.

Because you got the quaggan makes the chances better? Thats now how it works. I don’t know if you visited the forums at that time but the complaint threads were massive.

Honestly, just grab a handful of keys from story and try you luck a couple of times then quit. Buying keys in large quantities to gamble is just a bad idea, and a lesson that should have been taught back in halloween.

I do think this time, having all the skins account bound makes it a different situation than Halloween (assuming no other sources to gain the skin is made available).

TJL