So it has not changed? People buy keys for one reason and that reason hasn’t been improved in a significant way. All the manage to do is give people false hope by giving out scraps but it still takes a very long time.
It’s only “false” if you are absolutely unable to obtain it. I can guarantee you from experience that BL chests CAN give full tickets….I’ve gotten a few.
The real issue here is that some players cannot realize the BL chests are NOT game rewards but a lottery ticket that must be unlocked (gambling). Anet is not hiding that fact…..some players are just not too bright (or have more RL $ than sense).
So it has not changed? People buy keys for one reason and that reason hasn’t been improved in a significant way. All the manage to do is give people false hope by giving out scraps but it still takes a very long time.
It’s only “false” if you are absolutely unable to obtain it. I can guarantee you from experience that BL chests CAN give full tickets….I’ve gotten a few.
The real issue here is that some players cannot realize the BL chests are NOT game rewards but a lottery ticket that must be unlocked (gambling). Anet is not hiding that fact…..some players are just not too bright (or have more RL $ than sense).
The person I was responding to implied the chest got improved, I simply stated that people ultimately buy the chest for the ticket and that hasn’t really improved in a significant manner, but you are right people that don’t realize what RNG is will probably get screwed.
Returning more valuable rewards from BL chests would increase the sales of BL keys without needing to decrease the price of BL keys. It is all virtual items anyway.
They could increase the drop rates for soul-bound items such as Black Lion kits and Makeover kits, but 1) any increase of tickets, contracts, or anything else that can be sold will devalue that item, possibly more than a direct inverse relation if the new supply outstrips the demand for it, and 2) Black Lion Chests are, in essence and by design, gambling. And the first rule in gambling is that the house always wins. So if they do increase drop rates, it will never be enough for it, on average, to be a good idea to buy keys. They could add instruments, expansion items, gem store skins, anything they want, but the drop rates will always be such that it’s better to just buy the item outright, and if a player doesn’t understand this, they don’t understand what Black Lion Chests are.
If players ultimately buy the chest for the ticket then they’re dumb. That’s like buying a shipping container of cereal because there’s a chance of winning a new car.
The BLCs are primarily gem store samplers. Originally they had a few really good items and keys. When that didn’t keep the key sales up they added weapon skins tickets in various forms settling on what we have today.
You haven’t been watching BL chests science experiments now, have you?
no i do not..i do not usually check on forums and type on other peoples topics…but i only came here to say something to anet…that is all
Well if you have, then you wouldn’t have fallen into that trap.
Back on topic, yes, Anet needs to understand why we don’t buy BL keys. Too many science experiments have proven that they are a waste of money.
You just don’t get it and I doubt you will. You need to understand that Arenanet expects not everybody is going to buy the keys and they are perfectly content with that concept. They only need a few to buy the keys to subsidize for the majority.
So when you see “WE” the is no “WE”, it is just you and the others. “WE” implies something that doesn’t exist which is that not everybody is you and short of you telling everybody to not buy keys, it doesn’t matter.
If ANet wants to increase their sales, they should fix their gem store. The old excuse of the minority subsidizing for the majority is a load of crap, as it ridiculously assumes that ANet sets a boundary to their earnings which they decided never to exceed. Too much money a problem?
“WE” meaning those who know better.
You can stand on your soapbox and pretend to be superior to everyone, the fact of the matter is, guild wars 2 is not a starting a trend that hasn’t existed in a long time.
The fact of the matter is IF black lion keys were not selling, Arenanet would have done something about them, the fact they haven’t changed after a year and half goes to show it is not a problem.
I don’t buy black lion keys because weapon skins hold no value to me, but I wont pretend like am somehow better than adults or possibly children (YOU) play the game. But hey you are free to delude yourself into some false sense of superiority, a lot of people do that all the time.
It is a problem because as the value of gems rises, so does the prices of the gem store items. If ANet does nothing to increase their demand over time, then they would be less desirable.
You can say, oh but you can still buy them with real money and that gem/real money conversion is constant. But you would have to remember for people who buy gems with real money, there is always the opportunity cost of exchanging bought gems into gold.
As long as the exchange rate is good (i.e. rising gem price relative to gold), people with real money would find buying gems to be desirable, either to buy gem store items (so that they don’t have to use lots of gold to buy them), or to convert gems to gold. If the exchange rate is bad (i.e. gem price falls relative to gold), then people would prefer to use gold to buy gem store items.
Therefore it is in ANet’s favor to keep the value of gems high, so that real money would flow in, and to do that they need to attract those players who buy gems with gold. And the only way to do that is to keep maintaining the demand for their gem store items, against rising gem prices.
The value of BL keys have changed, for example: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boost_Enchantment_Powder
But that may not be enough. They still need to do more to make BL keys more attractive.
If players ultimately buy the chest for the ticket then they’re dumb. That’s like buying a shipping container of cereal because there’s a chance of winning a new car.
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That’s a rather bad analogy as I HAVE gotten a ticket out of BL Chests, but I doubt anyone has ever found a car at the bottom of a shipping container full of cereal….tho I guess that IS also possible.
Your other statement is correct, however. Unfortunately, since BL Chests are the only player “selectable” source of the BL tickets (or scraps), they ARE viewed that way by nearly all players.
I will say that the new method to combine boosters is a nice change and makes every box at least somewhat useful. The reduction of those silly tonics is a welcome change as well.
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You haven’t been watching BL chests science experiments now, have you?
no i do not..i do not usually check on forums and type on other peoples topics…but i only came here to say something to anet…that is all
Well if you have, then you wouldn’t have fallen into that trap.
Back on topic, yes, Anet needs to understand why we don’t buy BL keys. Too many science experiments have proven that they are a waste of money.
You just don’t get it and I doubt you will. You need to understand that Arenanet expects not everybody is going to buy the keys and they are perfectly content with that concept. They only need a few to buy the keys to subsidize for the majority.
So when you see “WE” the is no “WE”, it is just you and the others. “WE” implies something that doesn’t exist which is that not everybody is you and short of you telling everybody to not buy keys, it doesn’t matter.
If ANet wants to increase their sales, they should fix their gem store. The old excuse of the minority subsidizing for the majority is a load of crap, as it ridiculously assumes that ANet sets a boundary to their earnings which they decided never to exceed. Too much money a problem?
“WE” meaning those who know better.
You can stand on your soapbox and pretend to be superior to everyone, the fact of the matter is, guild wars 2 is not a starting a trend that hasn’t existed in a long time.
The fact of the matter is IF black lion keys were not selling, Arenanet would have done something about them, the fact they haven’t changed after a year and half goes to show it is not a problem.
I don’t buy black lion keys because weapon skins hold no value to me, but I wont pretend like am somehow better than adults or possibly children (YOU) play the game. But hey you are free to delude yourself into some false sense of superiority, a lot of people do that all the time.
It is a problem because as the value of gems rises, so does the prices of the gem store items. If ANet does nothing to increase their demand over time, then they would be less desirable.
You can say, oh but you can still buy them with real money and that gem/real money conversion is constant. But you would have to remember for people who buy gems with real money, there is always the opportunity cost of exchanging bought gems into gold.
As long as the exchange rate is good (i.e. rising gem price relative to gold), people with real money would find buying gems to be desirable, either to buy gem store items (so that they don’t have to use lots of gold to buy them), or to convert gems to gold. If the exchange rate is bad (i.e. gem price falls relative to gold), then people would prefer to use gold to buy gem store items.
Therefore it is in ANet’s favor to keep the value of gems high, so that real money would flow in, and to do that they need to attract those players who buy gems with gold. And the only way to do that is to keep maintaining the demand for their gem store items, against rising gem prices.
The value of BL keys have changed, for example: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boost_Enchantment_Powder
But that may not be enough. They still need to do more to make BL keys more attractive.
And you can buy them (boost) with gold from an NPC? So the value of the BL has not changed. If you bought bL specifically for the boosters, well what can I say.
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If players ultimately buy the chest for the ticket then they’re dumb. That’s like buying a shipping container of cereal because there’s a chance of winning a new car.
…..That’s a rather bad analogy as I HAVE gotten a ticket out of BL Chests, but I doubt anyone has ever found a car at the bottom of a shipping container full of cereal….tho I guess that IS also possible.
Your other statement is correct, however. Unfortunately, since BL Chests are the only player “selectable” source of the BL tickets (or scraps), they ARE viewed that way by nearly all players.
I will say that the new method to combine boosters is a nice change and makes every box at least somewhat useful. The reduction of those silly tonics is a welcome change as well.
So never seen a “mail in proof of purchase (box tops) for a chance to win …” promotion?
You haven’t been watching BL chests science experiments now, have you?
no i do not..i do not usually check on forums and type on other peoples topics…but i only came here to say something to anet…that is all
Well if you have, then you wouldn’t have fallen into that trap.
Back on topic, yes, Anet needs to understand why we don’t buy BL keys. Too many science experiments have proven that they are a waste of money.
You just don’t get it and I doubt you will. You need to understand that Arenanet expects not everybody is going to buy the keys and they are perfectly content with that concept. They only need a few to buy the keys to subsidize for the majority.
So when you see “WE” the is no “WE”, it is just you and the others. “WE” implies something that doesn’t exist which is that not everybody is you and short of you telling everybody to not buy keys, it doesn’t matter.
If ANet wants to increase their sales, they should fix their gem store. The old excuse of the minority subsidizing for the majority is a load of crap, as it ridiculously assumes that ANet sets a boundary to their earnings which they decided never to exceed. Too much money a problem?
“WE” meaning those who know better.
You can stand on your soapbox and pretend to be superior to everyone, the fact of the matter is, guild wars 2 is not a starting a trend that hasn’t existed in a long time.
The fact of the matter is IF black lion keys were not selling, Arenanet would have done something about them, the fact they haven’t changed after a year and half goes to show it is not a problem.
I don’t buy black lion keys because weapon skins hold no value to me, but I wont pretend like am somehow better than adults or possibly children (YOU) play the game. But hey you are free to delude yourself into some false sense of superiority, a lot of people do that all the time.
It is a problem because as the value of gems rises, so does the prices of the gem store items. If ANet does nothing to increase their demand over time, then they would be less desirable.
You can say, oh but you can still buy them with real money and that gem/real money conversion is constant. But you would have to remember for people who buy gems with real money, there is always the opportunity cost of exchanging bought gems into gold.
As long as the exchange rate is good (i.e. rising gem price relative to gold), people with real money would find buying gems to be desirable, either to buy gem store items (so that they don’t have to use lots of gold to buy them), or to convert gems to gold. If the exchange rate is bad (i.e. gem price falls relative to gold), then people would prefer to use gold to buy gem store items.
Therefore it is in ANet’s favor to keep the value of gems high, so that real money would flow in, and to do that they need to attract those players who buy gems with gold. And the only way to do that is to keep maintaining the demand for their gem store items, against rising gem prices.
The value of BL keys have changed, for example: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boost_Enchantment_Powder
But that may not be enough. They still need to do more to make BL keys more attractive.
And you can buy them (boost) with gold from an NPC? So the value of the BL has not changed. If you bought bL specifically for the boosters, well what can I say.
Because you can combine boosters, the BL chests are now a little less undesirable. But like I have said, it is still not enough to make me want to buy a key.
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