Guild Wars 2

So, I see the Scythe and the Pick back in the store and I’m like: “yeah, buy that kitten”.
And what do I see? 1000 GEMS each. Okay they are now account bound. That’s fine for all the people wo have 30 character slots and like all the combinations.
But I only have one character and one main where everything is on. Couldn’t you have left the soulbound alternative there?
Or has it something to do with it’s too difficult to make two versions of the item? (Which it can’t be, it would technically be two different items).
I really want these, but I don’t want to pay 20€ for two harvesting items, I can buy a freaking game with that money.

The question becomes, do you value the convenience enough to buy them or are they not worth 1000 gems to you?

Keep in mind that the added value of the items being account bound is not a positive for you due to your choice of only having one character. If you choose to create more characters then that value would be realized.

You didn’t buy them, circumstances changed, and you lost an opportunity.

It sucks, buddy, but that stuff happens.

I agree with you as I fall into the same minority. However it’s 2.50 USD more or so. I thought it was going to be much worse.

To be fair, I and others considered 800 on the high side of what was “acceptable” – and many others over it – for the soulbound versions.

Especially considering that the Salvage-O-Matic was 800 too.

There’ll be a sale eventually.

mtpelion.4562:

The question becomes, do you value the convenience enough to buy them or are they not worth 1000 gems to you?

Keep in mind that the added value of the items being account bound is not a positive for you due to your choice of only having one character. If you choose to create more characters then that value would be realized.

But the value isn’t realized with more characters. Quite the opposite.

I have lots of characters (seventeen that I will admit to, and twelve at level 80). I want these for convienence. They were worth it, barely, slowly over time and assembled piecemeal since Molten Alliance, for my mains at 800. Of which I now have 7 gathering sickles, 1 gathering axe, and 6 mining tools, all infinites, with 1/7/2 needed to complete my collection. It is a convience we pay for, and account bound is not a thing that makes them more convienent. Needing me to park at a bank and switch out gathering, then go to a bank and equip them on the next character, is not an improvement. It doesn’t make my life easier. It tethers me to a bank a lot more than I would naturally visit one.

This lack of convienence, for an additional 25% cost, means I won’t be outfitting the rest of my mains as I had hoped to. 1000 gems per infinite gathering tool is outside what I consider reasonable. I also won’t be making account bound the ones I have – they are where I want them to be and having them be account bound would be worthless since I wouldn’t consider moving them. So this essentially means that A-Net is losing sales when, as both someone upthread here and I both have stated, there are people would continue to outfit our characters if we could get soulbound versions for 800 who would not for account bound at 1000.

This only adds value to these items to those who prefer to start and end each character session at a bank. To others it just adds prohibitive cost.

i find 800 gems already on the high side for something as simple as a mining pick, 600 i can slightly understand but that’s really the highest of it’s worth.
1K gems is a bit to excessive, just because it’s account bound doesn’t make it worth more, it fixes the problem we already hated from the start.
soul bound should simply be removed from the game, it adds 3 problems and has absolutely no reason to exist.
1.) it removes the reason of an alt
2.) the item becomes completely useless to everyone and anything else
3.) it increases the costs exponentially for the player, for both the perm tools, transmute stones and armor/weapon use.
and what use does it have, absolutely none whatsoever.

I cannot believe people will cry no matter what Anet does for them.

First Anet released an amazing convinience item, guess what players complained its soul bound.

Then Anet changed it to account bound, but makes sense for them to increase the price – players cry again.

Then Anet proceeds to issue refunds for players who bought multiple – again kudos to Anet. but wait Now we have more kittening since they find the price a bit too high.
Seriously? whats next?
Do you want Anet to hand it to you for free? let me guess you will still cry about it even if they were to do that.

1. You missed the window to buy the item for 800 gems.
2. 1000 gems is high in only your opinion, for something that is “Unlimited” does not even cost you a small fee each time u gather is quite fair.
3. You dont have to use RL money to buy them, you can easily farm for it doing dungeons, gather T6 nodes, champ farm, various other in-game farming methods and convert to gold. – If you were to make 10g a day which can easily be done in 2 hrs if you are slow. You can acquire a gathering tool in less than a week.

So stop crying and complaining, this is why we dont get nice things.

if you don’t want to see ppl crying (which is actually a rude way of saying that we express our opinion), don’t go to a forum and read the posts.

sorudo.9054:

if you don’t want to see ppl crying (which is actually a rude way of saying that we express our opinion), don’t go to a forum and read the posts.

Did you not quit a while ago? Why do you keep coming back?

Behellagh.1468:

sorudo.9054:

if you don’t want to see ppl crying (which is actually a rude way of saying that we express our opinion), don’t go to a forum and read the posts.

Did you not quit a while ago? Why do you keep coming back?

i thought this was a forum for everyone, not just addicts…..

ZilentNight.5089:

I cannot believe people will cry no matter what Anet does for them.

First Anet released an amazing convinience item, guess what players complained its soul bound.

Then Anet changed it to account bound, but makes sense for them to increase the price – players cry again.

Then Anet proceeds to issue refunds for players who bought multiple – again kudos to Anet. but wait Now we have more kittening since they find the price a bit too high.
Seriously? whats next?
Do you want Anet to hand it to you for free? let me guess you will still cry about it even if they were to do that.

1. You missed the window to buy the item for 800 gems.
2. 1000 gems is high in only your opinion, for something that is “Unlimited” does not even cost you a small fee each time u gather is quite fair.
3. You dont have to use RL money to buy them, you can easily farm for it doing dungeons, gather T6 nodes, champ farm, various other in-game farming methods and convert to gold. – If you were to make 10g a day which can easily be done in 2 hrs if you are slow. You can acquire a gathering tool in less than a week.

So stop crying and complaining, this is why we dont get nice things.

But I didn’t complain when it was soul bound. I liked it that way. Maybe you did, maybe you saw other people doing so. But the people complaining now are quite likely people who were content with how it was. You also seem to assume that everyone who is complaining wants a refund. This is demonstrably not true, as is your facetious point about expecting things for free. More, your point of ‘go and farm for a week’ is insulting, especially as the theory of the game is you shouldn’t need to do things like that.

The price is high for a new item (and it is a new item – the old item had a different binding function and was priced better) irregardless of the same practical function. Maybe that is my opinion, but it is no better than your opinion that it is not high. Perhaps the reason you can’t have nice things is that you act condescending when someone tries to ask if they can have the things they want – which, again, demonstrably can and have existed (soulbound tools for 800) and no longer do. People shouldn’t get nice things if they advocate the removal of nice things from others.

Appologies if I sound bitter. This change has made a portion of the fanbase happy. It has gone a very long way towards alienating me.

I don’t quite understand how this change has alienated you in “long ways”
While every change and even no change can make players unhappy about a situation, this change is in favor of the majority.
Not everyone can be pleased, so you are allowed to advocate your point but to me it sounds like whining or perhaps a better word is misinterpreting the change.
Also when I mentioned the reason why “we can’t have nice things” refers to a commonly used phrase that is an alternate way of saying that whining doesn’t get you your way and phrasing your opinion in such a way is not going to get you the “nicer” things. This has nothing to do with whether I personally get nice things or not.

Now let’s clarify what you’re stating: In your opinion the price is high for a new item.
Let me explain to you the reason why its higher and what makes it higher to be precise since it’s not easy for some players to comprehend all the changes.

Originally the item was Soul bound and selling for 800 gems.
This only allowed a player to use it on ONLY one character, while gathering for free after paying the initial cost.
This is where the use/benefit of this item ended.

Now the item is Account bound and selling for 1000 gems.
Account bound allows you to move the gathering tools to multiple characters, removing the restriction and hence allowing you to get much more out of these unlimited tools.

Now for the sake of Argument the price was increased by 25%(200/800)
Previously if we wanted to get unlimited tools on 2 characters, we would have to spend double the money 1600 gems (100% increase)
Instead now we can get the same benefit at a much more reduced price. 1000 gems (25% increase) or for 2 chars it’s a (37.5% reduction in price)
In fact if you have multiple alts, the price has actually been reduced significantly: 3 chars – (58.3% reduction in price)

What has Anet done for the players who purchased and supported them the first time around?
They offered those players a chance to upgrade their existing tools at no additional cost

What if I purchased these tools on multiple chars?
You may put in a support ticket and get a refund.

I absolutely don’t want to spend real life money, can I still acquire?
Yes you can, the alternate is play the game and earn gold, once you have enough convert to gems and buy the tools.

My point is, and this is not an opinion, all the above are facts that the recent change has been more than fair no matter how you look at it.

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I assume most of you are aware that gems can be purchased for simple gold cn?
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I assume most of you are aware that inexpensive versions of the unlimited use tools exist in the game.

As amusing as the whining is over the cost of a luxury item, I’m sure we could all be doing more productive things.
//Portable Corpse

Zilentnight, for someone who starts with explaining your idioms to me, you don’t seem to understand the one I used. But aside from that, your points.

The price increase to the new item from the previously available ones is 25% (Since it is 200 more than the original 800), and the only improved functionality it has is account binding rather than soul binding. This only matters if you like or want account binding. For the rest of your point to be valid, this would have to hold true. But since you want math, we can do math.

The first cost is time. To change over the gathering tools, assuming I both wanted account binding and was willing to juggle, I would have to end any session I wanted to gather on the characters I wished to gather with at a bank to store and move my gathering tools, and start the next session with another character either already at a bank, or moving to one and then back to wherever it is I am doing things with that character. Which at the very least binds me to a smaller subset of choices, or multiple loading screens to start. Let’s assume a relatively fast computer and this means that anytime I want to switch a character and expect to gather using said tools, I add two and a half minutes to my ending with the previous character and the same as starting with the other.
This is not convenient.

So I either use the basic tools (which is pretty much where I am going to be doing) or I do this extra juggling, with additional load screens. You talk as if the only cost is gems or coin. It’s not, and putting more cost on the alternative just because one item is removed and it’s replacement is given a function that some people don’t want doesn’t mean that people will be satisfied. It just means people more willing to burn the time than the rest of the playerbase will be happy.

As I am unwilling to spend as much time as you are for a convienence turned into an inconvience, we come to your point about price. You state that I would be saving 37% by being willing to do the aforementioned shuffle for two characters. But if not being willing to do so is a truth, saying that I save 600 gems by buying one gathering tool for two characters becomes facetious. Because I wouldn’t buy a single gathering tool for two characters. Pretty much ever. Any gathering tool I purchase, either infinite or normal, I bought for the character who I intended to use it on. Thus the math I get to look at is, with those same two characters, I would now need to either spend 2000 to outfit them for one sort of gathering or 6000 for three sorts when I could have done so before for 1600 in a single line or 4800 for all three types of gathering. That’s a lot of gems. Still the 25% more cost increase you yourself noted. Yes, you could make the argument that, hey, I’d be getting them for account bound and that means extra value. But it’s only extra value if that’s how you are willing to use them.
As it is, I’d be getting the tools for a extra price I don’t want to pay to do a thing with them I didn’t want to do in the first place. Making my current infinites account bound would just mean a hassle leading to other hassles, which is why I have not bothered. Account bound only matters if that is how you desire to use the tools, and it is a hinderance (a demonstratively expensive one, as we now see) if it is outside your intentions.

As to the players who purchased and supported this the first time? And the second? I am one. I applaud that ANet is giving a refund to those that ask, and has offered upgrades to those that want them. I don’t want an upgrade. I don’t want a refund. I am not saying people who are willing to give themselves the extra run-around shouldn’t be able to get account bound if that’s what they want. All I ask for is the option to not pay as much to get soul bound, since that is what I would prefer and it is obviously something that can be delievered.

How I paid for my current infinites – coin to gem or cash to gem – is not germaine to the discussion, but either way I earned the half-way equipping I have done. I am very unhappy that not only am I not going to be able to finish, but by asking if the ability to get soulbound is met not with an answer but with people saying that a unpleasant situation is better for me and not to question it.
Because it’s not better for me.

Everything I have stated is my opinion, just like, despite what you think, same with everything you stated. The recent change made a lot of people happy. Good for them. I am not saying it is fair or unfair. I am saying that I do not want this, and am asking only to have the option to purchase in the future what I could have purchased in the past.
I certainly will not be buying any of the current offerings in this line.

One convenience is that you can now buy a tool for one character, and when another prettier tool comes out that you might want, the old tool won’t rot in your bank because you can’t pass it on to an alt character.

I like this update. Though I also got the pick and sickle before the price increase.

Firseal.4716:

Zilentnight, for someone who starts with explaining your idioms to me, you don’t seem to understand the one I used. But aside from that, your points.

The price increase to the new item from the previously available ones is 25% (Since it is 200 more than the original 800), and the only improved functionality it has is account binding rather than soul binding. This only matters if you like or want account binding. For the rest of your point to be valid, this would have to hold true. But since you want math, we can do math.

The first cost is time. To change over the gathering tools, assuming I both wanted account binding and was willing to juggle, I would have to end any session I wanted to gather on the characters I wished to gather with at a bank to store and move my gathering tools, and start the next session with another character either already at a bank, or moving to one and then back to wherever it is I am doing things with that character. Which at the very least binds me to a smaller subset of choices, or multiple loading screens to start. Let’s assume a relatively fast computer and this means that anytime I want to switch a character and expect to gather using said tools, I add two and a half minutes to my ending with the previous character and the same as starting with the other.
This is not convenient.

So I either use the basic tools (which is pretty much where I am going to be doing) or I do this extra juggling, with additional load screens. You talk as if the only cost is gems or coin. It’s not, and putting more cost on the alternative just because one item is removed and it’s replacement is given a function that some people don’t want doesn’t mean that people will be satisfied. It just means people more willing to burn the time than the rest of the playerbase will be happy.

As I am unwilling to spend as much time as you are for a convienence turned into an inconvience, we come to your point about price. You state that I would be saving 37% by being willing to do the aforementioned shuffle for two characters. But if not being willing to do so is a truth, saying that I save 600 gems by buying one gathering tool for two characters becomes facetious. Because I wouldn’t buy a single gathering tool for two characters. Pretty much ever. Any gathering tool I purchase, either infinite or normal, I bought for the character who I intended to use it on. Thus the math I get to look at is, with those same two characters, I would now need to either spend 2000 to outfit them for one sort of gathering or 6000 for three sorts when I could have done so before for 1600 in a single line or 4800 for all three types of gathering. That’s a lot of gems. Still the 25% more cost increase you yourself noted. Yes, you could make the argument that, hey, I’d be getting them for account bound and that means extra value. But it’s only extra value if that’s how you are willing to use them.
As it is, I’d be getting the tools for a extra price I don’t want to pay to do a thing with them I didn’t want to do in the first place. Making my current infinites account bound would just mean a hassle leading to other hassles, which is why I have not bothered. Account bound only matters if that is how you desire to use the tools, and it is a hinderance (a demonstratively expensive one, as we now see) if it is outside your intentions.

As to the players who purchased and supported this the first time? And the second? I am one. I applaud that ANet is giving a refund to those that ask, and has offered upgrades to those that want them. I don’t want an upgrade. I don’t want a refund. I am not saying people who are willing to give themselves the extra run-around shouldn’t be able to get account bound if that’s what they want. All I ask for is the option to not pay as much to get soul bound, since that is what I would prefer and it is obviously something that can be delievered.

How I paid for my current infinites – coin to gem or cash to gem – is not germaine to the discussion, but either way I earned the half-way equipping I have done. I am very unhappy that not only am I not going to be able to finish, but by asking if the ability to get soulbound is met not with an answer but with people saying that a unpleasant situation is better for me and not to question it.
Because it’s not better for me.

Everything I have stated is my opinion, just like, despite what you think, same with everything you stated. The recent change made a lot of people happy. Good for them. I am not saying it is fair or unfair. I am saying that I do not want this, and am asking only to have the option to purchase in the future what I could have purchased in the past.
I certainly will not be buying any of the current offerings in this line.

Decisions are not based on one person’s opinion.
It is made in the best interest of the community.

ZilentNight.5089:

Firseal.4716:

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Decisions are not based on one person’s opinion.
It is made in the best interest of the community.

That doesn’t matter because they can just add additional choices. This isn’t about reversing the change, or not wanting the change. It’s about having the choice to not spend the additional 200 gems for the account bound rather than soulbound. Don’t tell me they can’t do that.

Zilentnight, why are you even in this particular conversation? I do not want a refund, I do not want to take anything from you, and your only point seems to be that I should be quiet and be grateful for others getting something they want, even if it comes at the removal of what I want.

I am glad others got what they want. I still would like to get what I want, and I doubt I am the only one (especially as I have seen others have similar sentiments on this very board) and your logic doesn’t add up as to why what I want would be hard to do (it wouldn’t) or would impinge on you or the rest of the community in a negative way (it wouldn’t).

Decisions are made by ANet, and they do so while looking to make as many pleased as possible within reason. This forum is merely a way to talk things out where they can see it. As for the best interest of the community, nothing I have asked would be a detriment to a single person in the community and a boon to several.

Well I doubt they will add the same item with 2 variations at this point, if they do, then good for you but keep in mind you had your chance when it was available and now its not.

There are several other items that were put on sale for a limited time and now they are selling at a higher price, this fits in the same category as those.
While you may argue this is now a “different” item it isnt. Its the same item with additional functionality and added value.
The reason I am here is because just as you have the right to voice your opinion, so do I and in my opinion the old option should not be made available again.

so it’s good for ppl to spend 200 points more while they still only have one character?
no matter how you look at it, making something more expensive because of a flawed system being removed isn’t an excuse.
the whole soul bound crap is ridicules from the core and i have never seen anyone actually liking it for a good reason, it’s just ridicules of them to make something more expensive simply because they finally added something we asked for.
also, why is it good to replace one item with the same and make it more expensive, if it’s just because of the account bound stuff then it’s simply a greedy way to get money.

the only solution within this situation is to keep the normal one on it’s normal price and have a choice, ether pay 800 for a soul bound version or pay 1K for an account bound version.

The item is better now => it costs more gems.

There are also very few players with 1 character compared to the huge amount with 2+ characters which means the majority of the community benefits from this change.

I think they removed the 800 gem version because you can trade it for the 1000 gem version for free. In this case players who bought the items back then get something nice while new players have to pay the new price. It sucks that the item is more expensive now but it’s still better than the old “800 gems only version”.

Whether it is better now is debatable, as is whether or not a function that people don’t want should be paid for if the option to not have it can be made available. For some people, the old 800 is vastly preferable. Maybe our voices weren’t on this forum because we’ve been happy since we got our tools, while people who for whatever reason want accountbound weren’t happy and were vocal here. Account bound is only more valuable if you like being shackled to a bank at the end of any session with the character using the tools and the start of any session with a character not. Only those who do not view this as an unreasonable mechanic will find this change to be of benefit.

These new tools are not the same items as the older ones. Notably, because the old items still exist in the game (when other gathering tools switched over from soulbound to account bound, it was simply done. The player didn’t get options of doing it, didn’t have to take their tools anywhere [not even black lion tools] it was just log in and there it was on everything. The current exchange mechanic means that the two types of infinite gathering tools can coexist because the two types currently do coexist) and thus a way can be made to have both be available in the future.

I do not believe this just because a few players who do not make alts ( which they can have four of them). Now decide having to pay 200 extra gems for infinite harvesting tools are mad. One its your fault and no one else’s that you have or want to have only one character. To be honest I think its kind of idiotic myself (but that’s my opinion)

There is so much to do and learn having alts why not use the extra slots and learn a new profession. I have eight alts myself Human, Norn, and Sylvari. not impressed with the other two. All but my warrior are lvl 80. All of them are 400 and above in crafting. When I found out those gathering tools were Soulbound I thought forget it I aint spending 800gems on each character to gather with. But with seven of my characters able to gather each day hell yea I’m going to pay an extra 200 gems and share them.

Sounds like you already have a set of tools for your one profession oh and let me guess its a guardian. What it seems like everyone makes right off the bat. My guardian came around the 6th profession. I like my thief better more agile and fun.
You have your tools and look on the bright side of it, if you do decide to create alts you will be set.

So I see no problem and no reason you need to complain about it cause in my opinion its PATHETIC

sorudo.9054:

Behellagh.1468:

sorudo.9054:

if you don’t want to see ppl crying (which is actually a rude way of saying that we express our opinion), don’t go to a forum and read the posts.

Did you not quit a while ago? Why do you keep coming back?

i thought this was a forum for everyone, not just addicts…..

The forum are for people that play the game, not for people that can’t seem to move on from a game they seem to hate.

silvermember.8941:

sorudo.9054:

Behellagh.1468:

sorudo.9054:

if you don’t want to see ppl crying (which is actually a rude way of saying that we express our opinion), don’t go to a forum and read the posts.

Did you not quit a while ago? Why do you keep coming back?

i thought this was a forum for everyone, not just addicts…..

The forum are for people that play the game, not for people that can’t seem to move on from a game they seem to hate.

and who said i hate the game?
i hate the zerg fest that ruins the game, not the game it self….

TL;DR

OP, you say you don’t have alt right ? why didn’t you buy it anyway when it was souldbound and was at 800gems ? since you are playing a single character, it didn’t really matter if it was soulbound anyway….

you had your opportunity..

Chyanne Waters – Some people don’t want to have multiple characters. Some people don’t want account bound. Calling them pathetic because they don’t play the game in the way you do solves nothing. People complain because they are not happy – and I am fairly certain, from your vehemence on the topic, you were likely complaining when soulbound was the only option. A simple solution is to have both options available.

And if you really want to compare numbers and variety of characters and claim it gives you a more respectable position to argue from, I have more than you do. So if that is the criteria we are arguing on, I get to win. But it really doesn’t matter if you have one character or eight or seventeen. So that’s a non-point, and neither I nor you get anything out of that.

As for the repeated point of ‘Why didn’t you buy it when it was cheaper? You wasted your chance’. A: It’s disingenuous. Those of us who were content and were slowly getting what we wanted got what we could (and whether that was paid for with gold to gem or cash to gem – either way, some times of the year are a lot tighter on either time to spend farming for gold or with spare cash. Saying we should have spent when we had either form of disposable income assumes we had the time or the cash at those spans of availability – many people simply didn’t) ignores the fact that while those who frequent this board (which is likely the same folks who weren’t happy before – content folks are less likely to look up a forum about pricing and changes) may or may not have known something like this was coming, the rest of us didn’t. B: If it was an opportunity, announced or not, then it was a very unequal one as some types of tools were accessible far less than others.

when you are not happy about something you say it on the board, ppl who are happy the way it is don’t have a reason to be here.
however, simply changing it with a higher price exchanges the happy ppl, while a set of players can now walk away a different set of players go to the board to complain about the change.

like they say, silence is a sign of good work, happy ppl don’t have to speak out.

I don’t think many people will use the bank to constantly switch their tools between characters. I’m guessing the account bound feature will mostly be used when people decide to play a different characer more, or change their “gathering alt” to another character.