Guild Wars 2

I’ve compiled a very small portion of data to illustrate the current difference between the China TP and that of NA/EU. I felt the need to create a discussion topic for this specifically since the initial thread I posted this in was for a different subject altogether and didn’t have a discussion revolving around it. For anyone curious I took a few screenshots and I’ll clarify a bit more on what is being shown. I’m not trying to prove a point, just find it interesting how the economy is functioning. One thing to keep in mind is that China’s open-beta live pre-launch client has been only available for LESS THAN TWO WEEKS at which point EVERYONE was level 1 leading up to this (and far higher prices earlier this week than can currently be shown since they’ve either sold or have been taken off of listings):

Image label 1: Current listing for Dusk is 2,555 gold with the highest buy orders being for 1,000g and 700g. Putting this and the next one into perspective, to list an item for 2,555gold costs 5% sales tax (up front and 10% after a sale is made), so to list this sword cost the seller over 125gold.

In comparison I just checked NA and the current listing for dusk is 1,154, over 400gold cheaper than it currently is in China. Also the highest offer for Dusk in NA is currently 1,041—that is 41g more than the current high-offer in China.

Image label 2: Current listing for Dawn is 2550gold with the highest buy order listed as 1,139 gold

In comparison, NA/EU has Dawn listed for 919gold—that’s over 1,600 cheaper than it currently is on NA/EU. The high-buy order in China (1,139) would easily cover this and that buy-order is over 250gold more than the current high-buy order on NA/EU.

Image label 3: Current listing for Spark at 1,500g and another listing for Spark at 3,000g. To list Spark at 3k gold cost him 150g.

In comparison on NA/EU spark is selling for 1,190—over 300g less than China.

Image label 4: the two highest-listed green items are priced at 450gold and 200g. To put that into perspective the 450g cost 22.5gold to list and the 200g cost 10g to list.

~~~Like I said, this is just raw data for you to come to your own conclusions about. Perhaps they spend more gems than we do (oh, and on that note gold to gem ratio literally tripled over night a few days ago. One morning I could get about 800gems for 10gold and the next day I could only get like 200-300 for 10gold)—so I mean LITERALLY. Regardless, if memory serves me right… prices weren’t like this when NA/EU launched. Albeit we knew less about the game than they currently have access to, I thought people might appreciate actual data. I can get more but this is currently what stands out to me.

~~~I apologize for not having screenshots of dusk and the white item that were listed a few days ago for over 5,000gold. I didn’t care to take a screenshot at the item and assumed they would still be listed if someone went to the trouble to spend 250gold just to put them up for sale.

Preferred topics of discussion:

-Comparing the initial growth of the China economy to the early stages of the NA/EU economy.

-Comparing current and past differences of attaining wealth—for example, pvp in china is now far more rewarding in the early stages of the game as opposed to where we are in NA/EU where pvp is argued to be an inferior way to amass wealth.

-Gem to gold ratios

-Further price comparisons

-Whatever you find interesting about the initial topic at hand.

Its not really any concern of ours what their TP does, is it? It might be interesting to varying degrees but pretty pointless (no offense).

zenleto.6179:

Its not really any concern of ours what their TP does, is it? It might be interesting to varying degrees but pretty pointless (no offense).

None taken—it’s just some raw data for anyone curious to see how the China TP develops vs’s how the NA/EU developed and currently is.

If it interests someone, great. If not: C’est la vie.

Oh, and to answer your question—no, what their economy does has no direct impact on what ours does since they are completely isolated from each other.

Fair enough. I enjoy reading the discussions in this sub-forum so hopefully I’ll get something out of it too

They also have the insight of the prices of those items on our TP and are speculating.

Behellagh.1468:

They also have the insight of the prices of those items on our TP and are speculating.

Speculation aside (and just to play the devils advocate) they literally have buy orders for some of those items higher than NA/EU has ever had. Take dawn for example. I could be mistaken but I have never seen buy orders fur dawn that high on NA/EU and I don’t know the sites that would show that information.

Maybe people are pooling resources both to sell and buy. If they do it as a group the initial outlay isn’t that bad and if they manage to sell its a good payoff. Much better than selling at a low price like people did at our start.

Astral Projections.7320:

Maybe people are pooling resources both to sell and buy. If they do it as a group the initial outlay isn’t that bad and if they manage to sell its a good payoff. Much better than selling at a low price like people did at our start.

You can’t mail 10gold. I have managed to mail 1gold but 10 won’t work. Not sure if its because its because of pre launch or what.

That’s not to say your theory isn’t plausible. But I have my reservations about XXX people willing to pay 150+ gold just to list an item which may not sell for months. Sounds risky and difficult to convince that many people of an investment strategy.

Furthermore, there appear to be better investment opportunities, like tormented weapons which still only cost 1 BL claim ticket in China.

Although I must say, it really would be interesting if due to Chimese culture they started new and successful trade practices by pooling money together and investing that way. I’m not saying it hasn’t been done on NA/EU but its definitely not commonplace.

The money could be deposited into the guild bank for someone to “invest” it. If the guild bank feature is available, that is. An awful lot of trust would be involved.

I might have a chat with my guildie later…

zenleto.6179:

The money could be deposited into the guild bank for someone to “invest” it. If the guild bank feature is available, that is. An awful lot of trust would be involved.

I might have a chat with my guildie later…

Haha true. That being said I’m not sure how long it takes to realistically unlock the bank. I’m on my phone so its hard to look up buil times but from memory don’t you need to build influence-intensive things with long build times? Like architecture 1ir2 and then the building of the bank?

Definitely possible by sppeding things up in two weeks but its also a pretty elaborate way to get around the limit on what can be mailed.

Lux.7169:

Astral Projections.7320:

Maybe people are pooling resources both to sell and buy. If they do it as a group the initial outlay isn’t that bad and if they manage to sell its a good payoff. Much better than selling at a low price like people did at our start.

You can’t mail 10gold. I have managed to mail 1gold but 10 won’t work. Not sure if its because its because of pre launch or what.

That’s not to say your theory isn’t plausible. But I have my reservations about XXX people willing to pay 150+ gold just to list an item which may not sell for months. Sounds risky and difficult to convince that many people of an investment strategy.

Furthermore, there appear to be better investment opportunities, like tormented weapons which still only cost 1 BL claim ticket in China.

Although I must say, it really would be interesting if due to Chimese culture they started new and successful trade practices by pooling money together and investing that way. I’m not saying it hasn’t been done on NA/EU but its definitely not commonplace.

About the gold issue. Can someone buy gem cards and give them to amother as a method of transferring gold? Can they buy gem cards in EU or NA and use them on the Chinese gem store?

I know you probably don’t have the answers but they may have ways to get around financial barriers. If it’s a group of friends they might be willing to hold out for a payout in the future and be willing to trust each other with gifts of gem cards.

Lux.7169:

zenleto.6179:

The money could be deposited into the guild bank for someone to “invest” it. If the guild bank feature is available, that is. An awful lot of trust would be involved.

I might have a chat with my guildie later…

Haha true. That being said I’m not sure how long it takes to realistically unlock the bank. I’m on my phone so its hard to look up buil times but from memory don’t you need to build influence-intensive things with long build times? Like architecture 1ir2 and then the building of the bank?

Definitely possible by sppeding things up in two weeks but its also a pretty elaborate way to get around the limit on what can be mailed.

The guild stash is fairly cheap. A decent amount of players could get one up and running by now if they knew what they were doing. Two levels of architecture so they could even have one within a week.

In the NA/EU BETA, there were lots of interesting market reactions, mostly due to the fact that everyone knew that everything was going to be reset on launch.

If that’s the same for the Chinese launch, then I’d want to see a comparison between China’s beta market and the NA/EU beta market.

Astral Projections.7320:

Lux.7169:

Astral Projections.7320:

Maybe people are pooling resources both to sell and buy. If they do it as a group the initial outlay isn’t that bad and if they manage to sell its a good payoff. Much better than selling at a low price like people did at our start.

You can’t mail 10gold. I have managed to mail 1gold but 10 won’t work. Not sure if its because its because of pre launch or what.

That’s not to say your theory isn’t plausible. But I have my reservations about XXX people willing to pay 150+ gold just to list an item which may not sell for months. Sounds risky and difficult to convince that many people of an investment strategy.

Furthermore, there appear to be better investment opportunities, like tormented weapons which still only cost 1 BL claim ticket in China.

Although I must say, it really would be interesting if due to Chimese culture they started new and successful trade practices by pooling money together and investing that way. I’m not saying it hasn’t been done on NA/EU but its definitely not commonplace.

About the gold issue. Can someone buy gem cards and give them to amother as a method of transferring gold? Can they buy gem cards in EU or NA and use them on the Chinese gem store?

I know you probably don’t have the answers but they may have ways to get around financial barriers. If it’s a group of friends they might be willing to hold out for a payout in the future and be willing to trust each other with gifts of gem cards.

I am 99% sure you cannot use NA/EU cards in the China client—obviously I could be wrong (but I never even saw a place to put gem codes. I could have missed it though).

My understanding of the China client gemstore is that you need to have a Chinese bank (it gives you about 20 to choose from) and you go from there. As far as I could tell they don’t take cards that aren’t exclusively Chinese but there were several ways of ordering gems so I am really not sure. You may even be able to gift them—I wouldn’t know.

The VIP players get gemstore discounts but I am not sure if that also affects your gem to gold conversion ratio.

I honestly don’t even know why thru put the limit on his much gold you can mail since they allow you to mail skins and weapons. I can mail my tormented weps (all worth more than 10g but I can’t mail 10gold.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

In the NA/EU BETA, there were lots of interesting market reactions, mostly due to the fact that everyone knew that everything was going to be reset on launch.

If that’s the same for the Chinese launch, then I’d want to see a comparison between China’s beta market and the NA/EU beta market.

Oh interesting. I only pvp’d during beta.

My impression is that this open beta which is pre launch will not be reset. That is what my Chinese friends have told me. So if what they say us true then this is their actual market two weeks after going live.

@Lux

You said “I honestly don’t even know why thru put the limit on his much gold you can mail since they allow you to mail skins and weapons. I can mail my tormented weps (all worth more than 10g but I can’t mail 10gold”.

That would be another way to transfer gold, by sending items through the email for someone else to sell. Possibly an easier method than locating gem cards to give to someone else.

It’s just a thought. I can easily see people grouping up to take advantage of a windfall like a precursor if they are willing to wait to get the full benefit of it rather than one person selling for a few gold, like the first ones were here. I can also see groups of people buying precursors to make Legendaries as a group to sell as a group project.

Astral Projections.7320:

@Lux

You said “I honestly don’t even know why thru put the limit on his much gold you can mail since they allow you to mail skins and weapons. I can mail my tormented weps (all worth more than 10g but I can’t mail 10gold”.

That would be another way to transfer gold, by sending items through the email for someone else to sell. Possibly an easier method than locating gem cards to give to someone else.

It’s just a thought. I can easily see people grouping up to take advantage of a windfall like a precursor if they are willing to wait to get the full benefit of it rather than one person selling for a few gold, like the first ones were here. I can also see groups of people buying precursors to make Legendaries as a group to sell as a group project.

Sure is possible but when it comes to things like this I tend to air on the side if Occam’s razor, unless presented with sufficient evidence to the contrary.

It’s true that NA/EU <-> China has no effect on us but it is still interesting to see the pricing between the two economies. I’m sure 99% of the time the China market will be reactive to the NA/EU.

These prices are interesting because the buy orders between the two are roughly similar. But the sell listings of course are quite outrageous. You could say that these items are being hoarded by speculators.

OP, can you check the prices of mithril ore and T5 mats?

If I saw these prices, I would absolutely take advantage of the mystic forge at this time. It is worth the gamble.

Vol.7601:

It’s true that NA/EU <-> China has no effect on us but it is still interesting to see the pricing between the two economies. I’m sure 99% of the time the China market will be reactive to the NA/EU.

These prices are interesting because the buy orders between the two are roughly similar. But the sell listings of course are quite outrageous. You could say that these items are being hoarded by speculators.

OP, can you check the prices of mithril ore and T5 mats?

If I saw these prices, I would absolutely take advantage of the mystic forge at this time. It is worth the gamble.

Only had a second before running to work. I’m not even 100% sure if this is mithril ore but I’m going by memory:

Lux.7169:

Only had a second before running to work. I’m not even 100% sure if this is mithril ore but I’m going by memory:

That’s platinum, assuming they use the same icons.

That’s platinum ore. That price will surely go up when Xunlai ingots come out.

This is comparing apples to pears.
You simply cant compare their early economy to ours.
Of course, you took precursors to compare and found out that they are way more expensive than in our early days.
Why is that so?
First of all, i would suspect the gold/gem ratio is different and especially the prices for gems. During the first 2 weeks we got less than 2 gold for 800 gems and it took us 3 months, until you got 10g for 800 gems. So how much does it cost in China to buy 800 gems? is it the equivalent of 10 €/$ or is it much less, how i expect?

Another big difference is that many people (or at least the “big players”) probably already have a very good understanding and knowledge of how the economy works because they played on EU/NA servers already.

When we started out, we had no clue what was going on. We didnt know what mobs drop which loot, farming techniques that are now common knowledge didnt exist or werent practiced in masses like now and mystic forge recipes had to be discovered by the player base. No droprate research on lootbags and salvage materials.
Seriously, check out the first pages of topics posted in the BLTC and Crafting Forums and you gonna have quite a laugh about what concerned players in the early days.

I am quite sure that there are many players playing the Chinese Version now that played our version before. So they basically start with a (common) knowledge which items are in demand at end game, reward mechanics, forge recipes and the economy in general, so its just natural that their markets find a different equilibrium than ours.

Wanze.8410:

When we started out, we had no clue what was going on. We didnt know what mobs drop which loot, farming techniques that are now common knowledge didnt exist or werent practiced in masses like now and mystic forge recipes had to be discovered by the player base. No droprate research on lootbags and salvage materials.
Seriously, check out the first pages of topics posted in the BLTC and Crafting Forums and you gonna have quite a laugh about what concerned players in the early days.

I am quite sure that there are many players playing the Chinese Version now that played our version before. So they basically start with a (common) knowledge which items are in demand at end game, reward mechanics, forge recipes and the economy in general, so its just natural that their markets find a different equilibrium than ours.

Does the knowledge however really help them much if Platinum sells just for 7 copper there instead of 2 silver like here ? And T6 mats are maybe .. what .. 5s or whatever ?

The interesting question for me is .. how the hell did somebody get 1000g in that short time to set a buy order for that, since you must own those 1000g already, else you can’t setup the order.

Beldin.5498:

Wanze.8410:

When we started out, we had no clue what was going on. We didnt know what mobs drop which loot, farming techniques that are now common knowledge didnt exist or werent practiced in masses like now and mystic forge recipes had to be discovered by the player base. No droprate research on lootbags and salvage materials.
Seriously, check out the first pages of topics posted in the BLTC and Crafting Forums and you gonna have quite a laugh about what concerned players in the early days.

I am quite sure that there are many players playing the Chinese Version now that played our version before. So they basically start with a (common) knowledge which items are in demand at end game, reward mechanics, forge recipes and the economy in general, so its just natural that their markets find a different equilibrium than ours.

Does the knowledge however really help them much if Platinum sells just for 7 copper there instead of 2 silver like here ? And T6 mats are maybe .. what .. 5s or whatever ?

The interesting question for me is .. how the hell did somebody get 1000g in that short time to set a buy order for that, since you must own those 1000g already, else you can’t setup the order.

Despite it’s reputation, China has a fast growing upper class.

Beldin.5498:

Wanze.8410:

When we started out, we had no clue what was going on. We didnt know what mobs drop which loot, farming techniques that are now common knowledge didnt exist or werent practiced in masses like now and mystic forge recipes had to be discovered by the player base. No droprate research on lootbags and salvage materials.
Seriously, check out the first pages of topics posted in the BLTC and Crafting Forums and you gonna have quite a laugh about what concerned players in the early days.

I am quite sure that there are many players playing the Chinese Version now that played our version before. So they basically start with a (common) knowledge which items are in demand at end game, reward mechanics, forge recipes and the economy in general, so its just natural that their markets find a different equilibrium than ours.

Does the knowledge however really help them much if Platinum sells just for 7 copper there instead of 2 silver like here ? And T6 mats are maybe .. what .. 5s or whatever ?

The interesting question for me is .. how the hell did somebody get 1000g in that short time to set a buy order for that, since you must own those 1000g already, else you can’t setup the order.

If you check platinum prices during our first 6 months, the prices are the same, close to vendor value. We had a price spike at the start of November when you could exchange them for BL Keys, i think but thats it. The value of 1.5s we have right now is because of ascended crafting (which i am unsure about, if it is already available in china or not). When ascended weaponcrafting got introduced for us, you had the majority of the playerbase ready to start crafting them. Thats not the case in China yet, so the demand for platinum ore is not so high and most players are active in zones that drop platinum atm, so supply is higher than demand.

Another interesting fact is the amount of listings:
If you check the screenshot, it shows 11 listings from 8-18c with a total volume of nearly 200k. And thats just the lowest 11 listings, there are plenty more listed than that.

Apart from a couple of days, we never had over 200k platinum ore listed on the tp for more than 2 months.

And I am not surprised that people have thousands of gold already. First of all, it can be bought with money and i am quite confident, with my knowledge of the game economy from our version, i would have made insane amounts of profit on the chinese tp, if I would have played during beta and knew how to read and understand chinese.

Beldin.5498:

The interesting question for me is .. how the hell did somebody get 1000g in that short time to set a buy order for that, since you must own those 1000g already, else you can’t setup the order.

It’s called a “credit card” :P

If you buy gems and convert them to gold, you’re probably looking at $30 (converted into the approximate Chinese equivalent) for 1,000g since the exchange rate is new.

Scratch that… it’s going to be the other way around with gems to gold getting you a little.

The credit card part still works though, if you’re willing to spend the dough.

Why would we in the US care?

Wanze.8410:

Beldin.5498:

Wanze.8410:

When we started out, we had no clue what was going on. We didnt know what mobs drop which loot, farming techniques that are now common knowledge didnt exist or werent practiced in masses like now and mystic forge recipes had to be discovered by the player base. No droprate research on lootbags and salvage materials.
Seriously, check out the first pages of topics posted in the BLTC and Crafting Forums and you gonna have quite a laugh about what concerned players in the early days.

I am quite sure that there are many players playing the Chinese Version now that played our version before. So they basically start with a (common) knowledge which items are in demand at end game, reward mechanics, forge recipes and the economy in general, so its just natural that their markets find a different equilibrium than ours.

Does the knowledge however really help them much if Platinum sells just for 7 copper there instead of 2 silver like here ? And T6 mats are maybe .. what .. 5s or whatever ?

The interesting question for me is .. how the hell did somebody get 1000g in that short time to set a buy order for that, since you must own those 1000g already, else you can’t setup the order.

If you check platinum prices during our first 6 months, the prices are the same, close to vendor value. We had a price spike at the start of November when you could exchange them for BL Keys, i think but thats it. The value of 1.5s we have right now is because of ascended crafting (which i am unsure about, if it is already available in china or not). When ascended weaponcrafting got introduced for us, you had the majority of the playerbase ready to start crafting them. Thats not the case in China yet, so the demand for platinum ore is not so high and most players are active in zones that drop platinum atm, so supply is higher than demand.

Another interesting fact is the amount of listings:
If you check the screenshot, it shows 11 listings from 8-18c with a total volume of nearly 200k. And thats just the lowest 11 listings, there are plenty more listed than that.

Apart from a couple of days, we never had over 200k platinum ore listed on the tp for more than 2 months.

And I am not surprised that people have thousands of gold already. First of all, it can be bought with money and i am quite confident, with my knowledge of the game economy from our version, i would have made insane amounts of profit on the chinese tp, if I would have played during beta and knew how to read and understand chinese.

You know to make extra real $$$ on the side, you should team up with a /English Chinese player who hires you on what to buy :P

Vol.7601:

You know to make extra real $$$ on the side, you should team up with a /English Chinese player who hires you on what to buy :P

Well, I still see playing the TP as fun, not work.

Wanze.8410:

Vol.7601:

You know to make extra real $$$ on the side, you should team up with a /English Chinese player who hires you on what to buy :P

Well, I still see playing the TP as fun, not work.

But when you get paid to do something you enjoy, then you got yourself a career!

Vol.7601:

Wanze.8410:

Vol.7601:

You know to make extra real $$$ on the side, you should team up with a /English Chinese player who hires you on what to buy :P

Well, I still see playing the TP as fun, not work.

But when you get paid to do something you enjoy, then you got yourself a career!

I already got a career that i enjoy, i cook food for hungry people. In 5 years, there will still be hungry people but im not so sure, if the TP will still be up and running.

Sorry for the hiccup, here’s the mithril and I also found Powerful blood (pretty sure this is the t6)

Oh and as an update, the Dusk that was listed for 2,555 either sold or was taken down (among other possibilities).

I find it hard to believe that the seller who spent over 125gold just to list it would randomly decide to just take it down (especially considering that it was currently the only Dusk listed on the TP). In my opinion it sold for 2,555gold, but who knows…

Interesting prices…btw how about T5. If you don’t know the icon, just look at the collectibles tab and it should be on the bottom row for all the crafting materials.

Tried following your icon advice—pretty sure these are the t5’s—sorry its sloppy.

Out of curiosity what do you mean by interesting? I’m really just a pvp’er but find econonmies pretty fascinating. I think my lack of familiarity with the materials is pretty obvious but I really am interested in seeing how this compares and develops.

I find it fascinating in terms of the China game. It really has no influence on what we do here in NA/EU.

The biggest thing I sense out of this is that these prices are going to affect gameplay choices.

For example, people will be driven to make their gold through farming rather than running dungeons. Completing dungeons is extremely inefficient for gold when you can get these T6 materials in a fraction of the time.

One last inquiry – sorry – what are the prices of Mystic Coins and globs?

edit: Also, those T5 prices suggest seem worthwhile to gamble on the forge – assuming you sell precursors at around the +-2kg mark rather than +-1kg

I don’t mind taking screenshots:

Darnit. That would have been a massive market efficiency if not for the karma restrictions (which is probably why ecto price is still cheap), as people do not have karma stockpiled.

Vol.7601:

Darnit. That would have been a massive market efficiency if not for the karma restrictions (which is probably why ecto price is still cheap), as people do not have karma stockpiled.

Ecto prices have actually plummeted recently from my personal observations.

I was selling them around ~70silver each. I only know this because I’d do the dungeon reward tracks in pvp and get exotic armor and salvage them for ecto since they’re pretty much useless unless I wanted to use them as MF fodder and hope for a nice—sellable—drop.

Lux.7169:

Sorry for the hiccup, here’s the mithril and I also found Powerful blood (pretty sure this is the t6)

What i found interesting about the screenshot is the gold in your wallet, 18g.

Now, i am assuming a couple of things about you from info gathered from your posts:

You played GW2 on a NA/EU server before but did mostly pvp, so you didnt monitor the economy very closely. I also assume that the screenshots you are posting are from your Chinese account, which has been active for about 2 weeks? What i would like to know is, how you accumulated those 18g. Was it from regular rewards and selling loot from average gameplay ( a little bit of everything) or from specific farming for certain mats/events, by trading/playing the trading post or did you buy gold with gems?
The reason why i am asking is that 18g seems alot to me compared to what we earned when GW2 came out.

Personally, i started playing GW2 3 days before regular release and i never played GW1 before, so everything was new to me. I used the tp once in a while but only to sell loot, not for profit trading like i do now. I think i hit lvl 80 within 2 weeks and spent the next 10 weeks getting map completion, gearing up into exotics, checking out dungeons, wvw, pvp, farming, a little bit of everything.
I still remember that the Grandmaster Trait Manual, which was available at lvl 60, cost 1 gold and and it was 1 week after I hit lvl 80 that i could afford to spare that 1 gold.
I dont think I ever had more than 5g within the first 3 months and i played several hours daily.

Now i just assume that you are an average player, so 18g after 2 weeks seems like alot compared to GW2 early weeks. This would explain the relatively high prices of the items you posted compared to our TP.

In general, i think that the average chinese player earns more gold from playing the same content as we did shortly after release. And that is not because all chinese players are “mad farmers” but because the reward structure changed so much within the last 20 months (assuming the reward structure on NA/EU right now is the same as in China). During the first 3 months the median player maybe made 30s in gold rewards from faucets and 70s from loot drops at their current tp value per day. And considering that during those first 3 months you spent alot of gold (or silver) on gearing up your main, level up your crafts, waypoint and repair costs (a couple of silver for repairs and waypoints per day may sound trivial now but it certainly wasnt during the first weeks), there wasnt much left of that 1g I earned per day.

So maybe the median chinese player is now earning 5g per day (not sure about gold faucets but loot drops seem to be far more valuable from your screenshots).

The gold in game has to come from somewhere and to me it seems there is much more gold per account available in China right now than in the early NA/EU days.
As i said, my first suspicion would be that gold faucets are more flush in china compared to us and another reason i can think of is that the gem/gold exchange has been stocked up with more gold/gems.

Can you give us an insight maybe, how much 800 gems cost in local currency or $/€?
The box price for GW2 in China was way below NA/EU as far as i have heard, presumably 13 instead of 50 bucks. I have a suspicion that gems (or in game gold) are alot cheaper to obtain in China than over here in the first weeks…

Wanze.8410:

Lux.7169:

Sorry for the hiccup, here’s the mithril and I also found Powerful blood (pretty sure this is the t6)

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Getting gold should be way way easier once you realize that dungeons give a boat load of gold compare to 1.5 years ago. This is assuming that the level cap in beta allows it.

The second possibility is via PvP, again compare to NA launch where PvP gave nearly zero gold, right now PvP gives a lot of gold. So making 18g in two weeks seems unimpressive when you consider just how much easier it is to acquire gold, as compare to NA/eu launch.

Wanze.8410:

Lux.7169:

Sorry for the hiccup, here’s the mithril and I also found Powerful blood (pretty sure this is the t6)

What i found interesting about the screenshot is the gold in your wallet, 18g.

Now, i am assuming a couple of things about you from info gathered from your posts:

You played GW2 on a NA/EU server before but did mostly pvp, so you didnt monitor the economy very closely. I also assume that the screenshots you are posting are from your Chinese account, which has been active for about 2 weeks? What i would like to know is, how you accumulated those 18g. Was it from regular rewards and selling loot from average gameplay ( a little bit of everything) or from specific farming for certain mats/events, by trading/playing the trading post or did you buy gold with gems?
The reason why i am asking is that 18g seems alot to me compared to what we earned when GW2 came out.

Personally, i started playing GW2 3 days before regular release and i never played GW1 before, so everything was new to me. I used the tp once in a while but only to sell loot, not for profit trading like i do now. I think i hit lvl 80 within 2 weeks and spent the next 10 weeks getting map completion, gearing up into exotics, checking out dungeons, wvw, pvp, farming, a little bit of everything.
I still remember that the Grandmaster Trait Manual, which was available at lvl 60, cost 1 gold and and it was 1 week after I hit lvl 80 that i could afford to spare that 1 gold.
I dont think I ever had more than 5g within the first 3 months and i played several hours daily.

Now i just assume that you are an average player, so 18g after 2 weeks seems like alot compared to GW2 early weeks. This would explain the relatively high prices of the items you posted compared to our TP.

In general, i think that the average chinese player earns more gold from playing the same content as we did shortly after release. And that is not because all chinese players are “mad farmers” but because the reward structure changed so much within the last 20 months (assuming the reward structure on NA/EU right now is the same as in China). During the first 3 months the median player maybe made 30s in gold rewards from faucets and 70s from loot drops at their current tp value per day. And considering that during those first 3 months you spent alot of gold (or silver) on gearing up your main, level up your crafts, waypoint and repair costs (a couple of silver for repairs and waypoints per day may sound trivial now but it certainly wasnt during the first weeks), there wasnt much left of that 1g I earned per day.

So maybe the median chinese player is now earning 5g per day (not sure about gold faucets but loot drops seem to be far more valuable from your screenshots).

The gold in game has to come from somewhere and to me it seems there is much more gold per account available in China right now than in the early NA/EU days.
As i said, my first suspicion would be that gold faucets are more flush in china compared to us and another reason i can think of is that the gem/gold exchange has been stocked up with more gold/gems.

Can you give us an insight maybe, how much 800 gems cost in local currency or $/€?
The box price for GW2 in China was way below NA/EU as far as i have heard, presumably 13 instead of 50 bucks. I have a suspicion that gems (or in game gold) are alot cheaper to obtain in China than over here in the first weeks…

I’ve actually only been playing ~4 or 5 days now. This should explain what I have (I’ve made nearly 100g through my method)

I think I hinted at it in my OP but it may have been in a different post. PvP in the beginning is very rewarding (so it would have been great for a player like me when gw2 first came out since all I did was pvp).

To explain the image without having to compare it from an english image:
-180 wins in team PvP, 3 losses in tPvP

20-30 silver per win for each tPvP match and I’ve been buying t6 bags with my laurels (monthly + dailys I’ve gotten a total of about 15 laurels which is about 15gold worth of mats if I sell them to the TP).

Oh and I’ve been doing the dungeon reward tracks and salvaging the exotic weps/armors for ecto to merch.

I’ve got 18g because I’ve been buying tormented weps as an investment opportunity whenever I can afford another since gold seems to be losing value by the minute over there.

edit: to answer your question about the gem price, I honestly have no idea how much any amount of gems would be. I am really curious to know that as well.

silvermember.8941:

Wanze.8410:

Lux.7169:

Sorry for the hiccup, here’s the mithril and I also found Powerful blood (pretty sure this is the t6)

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Getting gold should be way way easier once you realize that dungeons give a boat load of gold compare to 1.5 years ago. This is assuming that the level cap in beta allows it.

The second possibility is via PvP, again compare to NA launch where PvP gave nearly zero gold, right now PvP gives a lot of gold. So making 18g in two weeks seems unimpressive when you consider just how much easier it is to acquire gold, as compare to NA/eu launch.

Yeah, PvP seems to be the biggest change compared to NA/EU release.
Concerning dungeon rewards, i am still undecided. CoF1 farm was very lucrative before dungeon rewards got revamped. But i think in general that dungeon rewards spit out more gold now compared to CoF farm before. The cof1 farm made a few speedrunners rich thats for sure but these days you get rewarded lots of coin for a variety of dungeon participation. So i guess the speedfarmers got nerfed in income but the general player base earns more gold per dungeon run than before.
I still remember entering AC story mode, once i met the level requirements, with parts of blue and green gear, during pre release. Took me about 1-2 hours to complete and i didnt touch any more dungeons before i was lvl 80 and had rare gear at least
We had no clue about builds, combo fields etc…but the pro players in china do.

Lux.7169:

Wanze.8410:

Lux.7169:

Sorry for the hiccup, here’s the mithril and I also found Powerful blood (pretty sure this is the t6)

What i found interesting about the screenshot is the gold in your wallet, 18g.

Now, i am assuming a couple of things about you from info gathered from your posts:

You played GW2 on a NA/EU server before but did mostly pvp, so you didnt monitor the economy very closely. I also assume that the screenshots you are posting are from your Chinese account, which has been active for about 2 weeks? What i would like to know is, how you accumulated those 18g. Was it from regular rewards and selling loot from average gameplay ( a little bit of everything) or from specific farming for certain mats/events, by trading/playing the trading post or did you buy gold with gems?
The reason why i am asking is that 18g seems alot to me compared to what we earned when GW2 came out.

Personally, i started playing GW2 3 days before regular release and i never played GW1 before, so everything was new to me. I used the tp once in a while but only to sell loot, not for profit trading like i do now. I think i hit lvl 80 within 2 weeks and spent the next 10 weeks getting map completion, gearing up into exotics, checking out dungeons, wvw, pvp, farming, a little bit of everything.
I still remember that the Grandmaster Trait Manual, which was available at lvl 60, cost 1 gold and and it was 1 week after I hit lvl 80 that i could afford to spare that 1 gold.
I dont think I ever had more than 5g within the first 3 months and i played several hours daily.

Now i just assume that you are an average player, so 18g after 2 weeks seems like alot compared to GW2 early weeks. This would explain the relatively high prices of the items you posted compared to our TP.

In general, i think that the average chinese player earns more gold from playing the same content as we did shortly after release. And that is not because all chinese players are “mad farmers” but because the reward structure changed so much within the last 20 months (assuming the reward structure on NA/EU right now is the same as in China). During the first 3 months the median player maybe made 30s in gold rewards from faucets and 70s from loot drops at their current tp value per day. And considering that during those first 3 months you spent alot of gold (or silver) on gearing up your main, level up your crafts, waypoint and repair costs (a couple of silver for repairs and waypoints per day may sound trivial now but it certainly wasnt during the first weeks), there wasnt much left of that 1g I earned per day.

So maybe the median chinese player is now earning 5g per day (not sure about gold faucets but loot drops seem to be far more valuable from your screenshots).

The gold in game has to come from somewhere and to me it seems there is much more gold per account available in China right now than in the early NA/EU days.
As i said, my first suspicion would be that gold faucets are more flush in china compared to us and another reason i can think of is that the gem/gold exchange has been stocked up with more gold/gems.

Can you give us an insight maybe, how much 800 gems cost in local currency or $/€?
The box price for GW2 in China was way below NA/EU as far as i have heard, presumably 13 instead of 50 bucks. I have a suspicion that gems (or in game gold) are alot cheaper to obtain in China than over here in the first weeks…

I’ve actually only been playing ~4 or 5 days now. This should explain what I have (I’ve made nearly 100g through my method)

I think I hinted at it in my OP but it may have been in a different post. PvP in the beginning is very rewarding (so it would have been great for a player like me when gw2 first came out since all I did was pvp).

To explain the image without having to compare it from an english image:
-180 wins in team PvP, 3 losses in tPvP

20-30 silver per win for each tPvP match and I’ve been buying t6 bags with my laurels (monthly + dailys I’ve gotten a total of about 15 laurels which is about 15gold worth of mats if I sell them to the TP).

Oh and I’ve been doing the dungeon reward tracks and salvaging the exotic weps/armors for ecto to merch.

I’ve got 18g because I’ve been buying tormented weps as an investment opportunity whenever I can afford another since gold seems to be losing value by the minute over there.

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edit: to answer your question about the gem price, I honestly have no idea how much any amount of gems would be. I am really curious to know that as well.

20-30s for a pvp match, lol. Yeah, the reward structure is definately different in China. Cudos to you though. If you dominate that much, you deserve good rewards.

Wanze.8410:

20-30s for a pvp match, lol. Yeah, the reward structure is definately different in China. Cudos to you though. If you dominate that much, you deserve good rewards.

I know you don’t actually play the game(cept sitting at the trading post), but that is exactly what pvp gives out now…

how much gold do they get from drops? maybe for us, it’s 1G but maybe 10G for them? them chinese gold farmers!

Kimehcol.8742:

how much gold do they get from drops? maybe for us, it’s 1G but maybe 10G for them? them chinese gold farmers!

From the PvE content I’ve played (map completion of queensdale and about 10 hours in WvWvW) all of those drops appear to be pretty standard.

As for the rest of the game and lvl80 content I have no idea.

they prolly very experienced Chinese gold farmer to be able to make 2k gold in taht short of an amount of time.

x3 buy orders for Twilight @ 9,999 gold.

Nice C2 wallpaper.