Guild Wars 2

Yesterday brought 50 keys of the trading post and what a big disappointment, 9 scraps, not 1 black lion ticket, would of been better spent converting the gems to gold then buying the skins, last time I waste gems on keys for a bunch of rubbish, kinda reminds me of using the mystic forge, lest they could guarantee 1 ticket in every 25 …

Actually that sounds about right. Scraps are around 20% chance and full tickets are only 1 or 2% at most.

Hm thats interesting, you must have just had really bad luck. Even pre patch people were estimating it takes around 30 keys to get a full ticket, and Anet said that the drop rate of scraps has been increased since the recent feature patch came out. I have done quite a few key runs since the changes and definately noticed an increase in scraps, previously I could open 5 chests and get not a single scrap, from experience my rate used to be around 1 in 5. Right now since the patch I already had a full ticket and get a scrap out of my chest around 3 out of 5 times I would say.

You gambled with 50 keys and you QQ cause you lose your gamble?
Wait let me go to a casino blow £1000.00 then QQ that I lose. No that wont work.

RNG is RNG if you want to risk the gamble then just buy the item you want.

I opened 100 chests the other day, my data suggested that the ‘double ticket’ scrap drops from the other patch had ended.

Dont gamble with stuff you arent willing to loose.

key run you say? how do you get black lion key witheout buying black lion key and quickly to?

carey.3169:

would of been better spent converting the gems to gold then buying the skins

I think there is not a single person who would disagree with this sentiment. keys are not priced for the one thing you want. they are priced for everything they give. Like: how much would it of cost you to buy all the boosters you just got from the gem store? revive orbs and repair canisters? etc.

kyubi.3620:

key run you say? how do you get black lion key witheout buying black lion key and quickly to?

I don’t know how fast other people are but without crafting I can get to level 10 in about an hour. There are some people who are using crafting, usually cooking, to level up fast.

Basically you get to level 10 as fast as possible where the first set of personal story starts, then do that to get a key at the end of the set.

you are better off converting gems to gold and buying the skins you want rather than spending it on keys in hopes for a ticket

I got a key from PS story 40, and 2 ticket scraps in the same chest. I don’t know about you, but that is a major increase in the drop rate as far as I am concerned.

kyubi.3620:

key run you say? how do you get black lion key witheout buying black lion key and quickly to?

I didn’t say quickly I just make the same human commoner that was the standard for keyruns before patch except now you have to lvl it to 10. So I do hearts and as many events as I encounter on the way and then at 10 unlock story and at the end of the chapter get a key. Takes me around 1h 10 mins few mins longer if not many events on the way.

Well now you know. Next time do a research, ask other people. Everyone will tell you not to buy black lion keys, because rewards from chests are horrible.

Mystic.5934:

carey.3169:

would of been better spent converting the gems to gold then buying the skins

I think there is not a single person who would disagree with this sentiment. keys are not priced for the one thing you want. they are priced for everything they give. Like: how much would it of cost you to buy all the boosters you just got from the gem store? revive orbs and repair canisters? etc.

This is sort of right, but I would argue backwards in its reasoning. Without key farming the cost of new skins would be based on the cost of the keys it took to buy it minus a percentage of the value of all the other stuff you get.

Key farming however means that people are basing the cost of skins on the time it takes to farm enough keys for a scrap, which in turns drives down prices lower.

Anyway OP, the data for scrap rates is available, as is the knowledge that the economy is player driven and that scraps are subject to RNG. You should be able to draw your own conclusions as to whether they represent good value. If you did not do your research or got bad luck with RNG you should consider it a learning experience rather than complaining about it.

Cormac.3871:

Mystic.5934:

carey.3169:

would of been better spent converting the gems to gold then buying the skins

I think there is not a single person who would disagree with this sentiment. keys are not priced for the one thing you want. they are priced for everything they give. Like: how much would it of cost you to buy all the boosters you just got from the gem store? revive orbs and repair canisters? etc.

This is sort of right, but I would argue backwards in its reasoning. Without key farming the cost of new skins would be based on the cost of the keys it took to buy it minus a percentage of the value of all the other stuff you get.

Key farming however means that people are basing the cost of skins on the time it takes to farm enough keys for a scrap, which in turns drives down prices lower.

Anyway OP, the data for scrap rates is available, as is the knowledge that the economy is player driven and that scraps are subject to RNG. You should be able to draw your own conclusions as to whether they represent good value. If you did not do your research or got bad luck with RNG you should consider it a learning experience rather than complaining about it.

About the information on drop rates. Technically speaking you’re correct. However there have been so few recording the drop rates since the NPE that the information is very general. (I guess a lot of the people who were recording on previous charts were key farmers who have stopped).

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Black_Lion_Chest/Drop_rate

Edit: the results for an additional 367 keys have been added, which is a significant increase from the previous 63 keys.

It only took me about 20 keys to get my chaos staff but the RNG god was smiling at me after another year with no precursor…
Edited for accuracy

Dasenthal.6520:

It only took me about 20 keys to get my chaos staff but the RNG god was smiling at me after another year with no precursor…
However quick question why would you buy keys when you can buy the wvw pack, as it has tickets in it.

it has scraps, not full tickets, unless they changed it recently

JusticarArkiel.1564:

Dasenthal.6520:

It only took me about 20 keys to get my chaos staff but the RNG god was smiling at me after another year with no precursor…
However quick question why would you buy keys when you can buy the wvw pack, as it has tickets in it.

it has scraps, not full tickets, unless they changed it recently

You are correct, my bad and I went back and changed the post. For some reason I believed it was tickets and had to go back and re read the announcement thread.

Overall I seem to get a scrap every 5 or so chests on average.
On the low side, i was 3 for 3 on scraps to chests, and then I went 14 chests without a single one.

That being said, since the feature pack launched, I’ve opened 92 chests, and came out with 13 scraps, a total makeover, 2 self style hair kits, 3 knowledge tomes, and 4 dyes. In a 2-1-1 spread.
No minis, contracts, full tickets or any other great loots.

Please note: This is not a complaints post. I was adding my drops to the collective for the smarter people to play with. I am also aware of how much the RNG god hates me.

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I feel ya bro. All I get are level up scrolls and silly repair canisters/orbs/merchants etc >.<

I wish keys were easier to get in the world without having to buy them. I remember back in the day I might even get 2 off drops in one day. I can’t even tell you the last time I got a key off a drop, but it’s been 1.5 years at least. Now that my latest alt is 100% map, I won’t be getting anymore keys because with the RNG the boxes give it’s just an absolute ripoff to buy them. Granted, I did open a chest that contained a ticket scrap, a full ticket, and a total makeover kit, but more often than not I end up with 2 boosters (sometimes even the same exact one twice) and an instant repair canister. If I had actually spent money on keys and opened a chest to those results I’d probably rage /uninstall.

JusticarArkiel.1564:

it has scraps, not full tickets, unless they changed it recently

I opened 15 last week and got 1 full ticket and 5 scraps

Eric.6109:

JusticarArkiel.1564:

it has scraps, not full tickets, unless they changed it recently

I opened 15 last week and got 1 full ticket and 5 scraps

He’s referring to wvw support pack, not black lion chests

Dasenthal.6520:

Eric.6109:

JusticarArkiel.1564:

it has scraps, not full tickets, unless they changed it recently

I opened 15 last week and got 1 full ticket and 5 scraps

He’s referring to wvw support pack, not black lion chests

what he said ^