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Posted by: phys.7689

phys.7689

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I wouldn’t pay too much attention to some folks in here, it’s futile. As well as the dungeon subforum has the anti-stacking-anti-zerker crowd who think that PVE takes no skill, this subforum gets its fair share of anti-tp conspiracy theorists who believe that playing the tp requires no skill whatsoever and that price increases in every market are controlled by a minority of tp barons whose only goal is to get richer and ruin everyone else’s experience in the game.
In the end, it all boils down to criticizing those who are skilled in what they do, because it makes them feel better with themselves as they haven’t succeeded in anything.

except the post he was commenting on was a person who did basically everything in PVE that requires time or mastery.

Also as one of the people talking about legendaries and TP focus being to great, i have played the TP and i have gotten legendaries. You theory that it is just jealousy is false.

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Posted by: Wanze.8410

Wanze.8410

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I wouldn’t pay too much attention to some folks in here, it’s futile. As well as the dungeon subforum has the anti-stacking-anti-zerker crowd who think that PVE takes no skill, this subforum gets its fair share of anti-tp conspiracy theorists who believe that playing the tp requires no skill whatsoever and that price increases in every market are controlled by a minority of tp barons whose only goal is to get richer and ruin everyone else’s experience in the game.
In the end, it all boils down to criticizing those who are skilled in what they do, because it makes them feel better with themselves as they haven’t succeeded in anything.

except the post he was commenting on was a person who did basically everything in PVE that requires time or mastery.

Also as one of the people talking about legendaries and TP focus being to great, i have played the TP and i have gotten legendaries. You theory that it is just jealousy is false.

The post he was commenting on was completely off topic in the first place because it has nothing to do with the sell listing of dusk for 2000g.
As supply is up to over 25 again as well as buy orders down to 761g and the lowest listing to 1117g, we might as well close this topic.

I think everything has been said what there is to say.

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Posted by: SoPP.7034

SoPP.7034

The post he was commenting on was completely off topic

Completely?

Don’t let the OP title fool you, my post was right in line with what the OP wanted to discuss.

If you want the topic to disappear, don’t reply to it.

So, the purpose of this post is this: To protest to Anet of letting this phenomenon raging in tp so many months and for not adding the other ways of getting a precursor yet.

A warrior, a guardian, and an elementalist walk into an open field…
The Warrior turns to the guardian and says, “Did you hear something?”
Guardian replies, “No, but how’d the elementalist die?”

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Except the price recover shows that shenanigans like this doesn’t work even with luxury items with limited supply generation. A week later, price back where it was, even lower, than just before the spike occurred.

I don’t disagree that there’s inflation, or that wealth can be concentrated among an “upper class”, just that such on obvious attempt of manipulation can’t last long in a market with this many players as long as the “spice flows” supply entering the market is relatively constant. Patience is the key when using the market.

“Yeah, yeah, patience. How long will that take?”

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Posted by: Yargesh.4965

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Except the price recover shows that shenanigans like this doesn’t work even with luxury items with limited supply generation. A week later, price back where it was, even lower, than just before the spike occurred.

I don’t disagree that there’s inflation, or that wealth can be concentrated among an “upper class”, just that such on obvious attempt of manipulation can’t last long in a market with this many players as long as the “spice flows” supply entering the market is relatively constant. Patience is the key when using the market.

“Yeah, yeah, patience. How long will that take?”

Piece of pie also works.

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Posted by: phys.7689

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Except the price recover shows that shenanigans like this doesn’t work even with luxury items with limited supply generation. A week later, price back where it was, even lower, than just before the spike occurred.

I don’t disagree that there’s inflation, or that wealth can be concentrated among an “upper class”, just that such on obvious attempt of manipulation can’t last long in a market with this many players as long as the “spice flows” supply entering the market is relatively constant. Patience is the key when using the market.

“Yeah, yeah, patience. How long will that take?”

well glass half empty glass half full, it shows that they cannot alter the prices forever, but it shows they can alter the prices when they need/want to for long enough to make big money.
Whether on purpose or not, it shows that given the right circumstances, prices can influenced solely by controllable factors in small markets, it took like a week to stabilize, and in that time a decent amount of dusks were sold at a price much greater than market value, which is actually the perfect result if you were a theoretical manipulator, pump and dump. it going back down is the perfect result because it shows you actually got away with something, rather than just selling something for what the market really says its worth.
And you can do it again.

you are right patience is the key, probably the whole key to the whole market even in other ways. The problem though is they draw you into the gamble, a buyer has to wonder, am i getting scammed, or is this the new price? Because sometimes, the prices dont go back down.

Eh well thats business, a game of how bad do you want it. TP is PVP.

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Posted by: tolunart.2095

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Or, to look at it another way, demand was increased for Dusk (changes to Eternity + wardrobe unlocks) and players who had enough money as well as the desire to buy the precursor right now drove the market for a short time. Now they have their Dusk and don’t need to buy any more, while those who did not have that much money still do not and so they’re not going to be buying Dusk for 1600g because they simply do not have 1600 gold.

So anyone selling the newly-dropped Dusks have to lower the prices to match what the buyers are willing to pay. Sellers don’t get to dictate the prices, they can try, but if there are no buyers with 1600+g who want Dusk right now then they won’t sell for 1600g. When someone lists at a price the buyers are willing to pay, the item sells.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Except the price recover shows that shenanigans like this doesn’t work even with luxury items with limited supply generation. A week later, price back where it was, even lower, than just before the spike occurred.

I don’t disagree that there’s inflation, or that wealth can be concentrated among an “upper class”, just that such on obvious attempt of manipulation can’t last long in a market with this many players as long as the “spice flows” supply entering the market is relatively constant. Patience is the key when using the market.

“Yeah, yeah, patience. How long will that take?”

well glass half empty glass half full, it shows that they cannot alter the prices forever, but it shows they can alter the prices when they need/want to for long enough to make big money.
Whether on purpose or not, it shows that given the right circumstances, prices can influenced solely by controllable factors in small markets, it took like a week to stabilize, and in that time a decent amount of dusks were sold at a price much greater than market value, which is actually the perfect result if you were a theoretical manipulator, pump and dump. it going back down is the perfect result because it shows you actually got away with something, rather than just selling something for what the market really says its worth.
And you can do it again.

you are right patience is the key, probably the whole key to the whole market even in other ways. The problem though is they draw you into the gamble, a buyer has to wonder, am i getting scammed, or is this the new price? Because sometimes, the prices dont go back down.

Eh well thats business, a game of how bad do you want it. TP is PVP.

They were sold to people who weren’t willing to wait. Hence patience being the key.

But we don’t know what the prices they were sold at. One of the problems is the sampling rate of the tracking sites. As it was we saw momentary drops in the low sell price for one sample period every so often. How many did we miss? How often is the current low sell price on such an exclusive item is the price nobody is willing to pay? How many players are sitting on the TP hitting refresh waiting for a deal to pop up and pounce on it? We lack the information as to what price trades are actually transacting at. We can imply some when the price dips to the high bid or when the low sell ticks up but we have no idea how many are done at what price between the sampling times that the tracking sites use.

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