Guild Wars 2

Everyone are yelling “precursor prizes too high!” “market manipulation!”

Well, I think it’s fine that something that is a part of a LEGENDARY should be hard to obtain.

Only thing Im bothered with is when things that are not legendary, cost as much as the legendaries on the tp.

infinite light and other unique exotics, why should they ever be pricet at the same height as the legendaries? They don’t have the same flashy animations or better stats, they are just unique exotic skins. (yes legendaries are unique “skins” too, but they are legendaries)

Now there’s something to complain about.

Because despite the lack of flashiness, people desire it more than stuff like Frenzy or the Shark Spear.

Hard != Expensive…

Why is people having such a hard time to understand this kindergarden level logic?

The unique exotics that you mention can be crafted. Their price is based on the materials required. And you can always go and farm the materials, it is very easy to know where they drop, or farm for money with a goal in mind. Their price is based in something tangible.

Precursors, on the other hand, are a requirement for building a Legendary, and cannot be crafted, nor farmed, nor acquired in any meaningful known way. You can only get them out of pure luck. Their price is based on an assumption of how much it may cost if you wanted to get them from the mystic forge.

So you can assume that the complains are not really caused by the price, but because you cannot really work towards acquiring a precursor. It is just luck or gold, nothing else.

Apolyon.6937:

So you can assume that the complains are not really caused by the price, but because you cannot really work towards acquiring a precursor. It is just luck or gold, nothing else.

^

This…

We already have a Gift of Fortune and a money sink requirement (Icy Runes)… Precursors are implenented in a stupidly redundant way.

How come no one is complaining about the Venom precursor?

Vol.5241:

How come no one is complaining about the Venom precursor?

Stop using this stupid example in every thread. If 95% of the game was underwater, then you’d have a point. As it is now, you are just trolling to troll like you do in almost every thread.

Everyone gets it. You got lucky with your stuff. We know, you post it everywhere. Personally, I’m going with the godskull exploit but you can deny it all you want. Precursors are not fine, they are not even close to fine, and they need changed. Feel free to keep trolling every single thread about them though if that’s what makes you feel better about yourself.

Wow, so your idea of “hard” is “how fast can I farm cash everyday”?

Xaaz.8472:

Vol.5241:

How come no one is complaining about the Venom precursor?

Stop using this stupid example in every thread. If 95% of the game was underwater, then you’d have a point. As it is now, you are just trolling to troll like you do in almost every thread.

Everyone gets it. You got lucky with your stuff. We know, you post it everywhere. Personally, I’m going with the godskull exploit but you can deny it all you want. Precursors are not fine, they are not even close to fine, and they need changed. Feel free to keep trolling every single thread about them though if that’s what makes you feel better about yourself.

WOW!!!! Really?

The point Vol is actually trying to make (I think) is that not all precursors and Legendaries are created equally in terms of demand, and therefore, price on the Trading Post.

I think precursor prices are justified, as do many others. Do I have a precursor, or a Legendary? No, I don’t. I haven’t exploited anything to make money either. To accuse someone of doing so without evidence shows how shortsighted and self-centered you are.

I really feel that players need to stop thinking so much about themselves and start thinking about what Legendaries really are, as well as the long term health of the game as a whole. They’re a luxury. A luxury that not everyone will have within 6 months of the game being released. It’s been said many times that Legendaries are meant to be long term goals. Just because other people have them already, that doesn’t mean that EVERYONE should have them already. Everyone should be able to get them eventually….which they can.

The prices of certain precursors will continue to rise due to their higher demand from the player base that wants them. That does NOT mean they will continue to rise indefinitely. For those wanting to get a Legendary, most will weigh the costs of purchasing their precursor from the Trading Post vs. throwing rares and exotics into the Mystic Toilet. One will always be statistically cheaper to do than the other.

There are currently 3 ways to get a precursor (random world drop, Mystic Forge and Trading Post) with another one slated later (scavenger hunt). If you don’t currently like one of the ways to get a precursor that’s in the game now, then you should wait until the scavenger hunt is released and determine if THAT way suits you better. Who knows how long that will be though.

Charismatic Harm.9683:

There are currently 3 ways to get a precursor (random world drop, Mystic Forge and Trading Post) with another one slated later (scavenger hunt). If you don’t currently like one of the ways to get a precursor that’s in the game now, then you should wait until the scavenger hunt is released and determine if THAT way suits you better. Who knows how long that will be though.

Yes, so I should sit on everything I have to make 2 legendaries because I’m not lucky. That makes a boatload of sense. The only people that defend this current system already have them via luck or exploits. End of story.

Xaaz.8472:

Charismatic Harm.9683:

There are currently 3 ways to get a precursor (random world drop, Mystic Forge and Trading Post) with another one slated later (scavenger hunt). If you don’t currently like one of the ways to get a precursor that’s in the game now, then you should wait until the scavenger hunt is released and determine if THAT way suits you better. Who knows how long that will be though.

Yes, so I should sit on everything I have to make 2 legendaries because I’m not lucky. That makes a boatload of sense. The only people that defend this current system already have them via luck or exploits. End of story.

What about people like me that bought a precursor recently by saving up money?

That’s what you do when you’re unlucky. Honestly, it took a while but it wasn’t THAT bad either.

Xaaz.8472:

Yes, so I should sit on everything I have to make 2 legendaries because I’m not lucky. That makes a boatload of sense. The only people that defend this current system already have them via luck or exploits. End of story.

Or actually farms dungeons/Orr to make my money? You know people actually do this. I am one of them.

So anecdotal evidence says you are wrong!

Minion of Vey.4398:

Xaaz.8472:

Charismatic Harm.9683:

There are currently 3 ways to get a precursor (random world drop, Mystic Forge and Trading Post) with another one slated later (scavenger hunt). If you don’t currently like one of the ways to get a precursor that’s in the game now, then you should wait until the scavenger hunt is released and determine if THAT way suits you better. Who knows how long that will be though.

Yes, so I should sit on everything I have to make 2 legendaries because I’m not lucky. That makes a boatload of sense. The only people that defend this current system already have them via luck or exploits. End of story.

What about people like me that bought one recently by saving up money?

You think money is my issue? I could go buy one right now if I wanted. I refuse to buy one from the TP knowing full well how many exploited to get them. If I had a friend who got one, I’d gladly pay them.

The problem I have with the system is luck, plain and simple. Limiting this item to luck with how terrible and patterned the RNG in this game is pathetic and shows the complete lack of imagination and vision that Anet has.

Xaaz.8472:

I refuse to buy one from the TP

Well it’s uh, apparent that you’re choosing to restrict your own options.

I sure am, that we can agree on.

Xaaz.8472:

Minion of Vey.4398:

Xaaz.8472:

Charismatic Harm.9683:

There are currently 3 ways to get a precursor (random world drop, Mystic Forge and Trading Post) with another one slated later (scavenger hunt). If you don’t currently like one of the ways to get a precursor that’s in the game now, then you should wait until the scavenger hunt is released and determine if THAT way suits you better. Who knows how long that will be though.

Yes, so I should sit on everything I have to make 2 legendaries because I’m not lucky. That makes a boatload of sense. The only people that defend this current system already have them via luck or exploits. End of story.

What about people like me that bought one recently by saving up money?

You think money is my issue? I could go buy one right now if I wanted. I refuse to buy one from the TP knowing full well how many exploited to get them. If I had a friend who got one, I’d gladly pay them.

The problem I have with the system is luck, plain and simple. Limiting this item to luck with how terrible and patterned the RNG in this game is pathetic and shows the complete lack of imagination and vision that Anet has.

I like how you assume that every precursor on the TP must be the result of exploits. You’re denying someone your business because you falsely associate them with exploiters.

Good on you!

I kinda keep hoping I’ll get a precursor to drop as I go about my business. Because if its not the precursor for sunrise, bifrost, or the flameseeker prophecies I am so selling it for a huge amount of cash to push forward my Infinite light project (now with over 15% of the lodestones acquired and the other ingredients are trival). Then I’ll be miles ahead on that and still poised to do the scavenger hunt whenever that comes out.

If I intend to sell a precursor for the most money I can possibly extract from it (and I don’t mind pricing in a way that may take days or even a few weeks to sell) does that make me an ebil “manipulator” or just someone playing the game? Because from the outside I think it’ll look exactly like what we’re seeing happen in the marketplace now. You don’t need an evil cabal, just enlightened self-interest and awareness of how the market has been trending on these items. Oh, and a teensy, tiny bit of patience.

Ursan.7846:

Xaaz.8472:

Yes, so I should sit on everything I have to make 2 legendaries because I’m not lucky. That makes a boatload of sense. The only people that defend this current system already have them via luck or exploits. End of story.

Or actually farms dungeons/Orr to make my money? You know people actually do this. I am one of them.

So anecdotal evidence says you are wrong!

Well, anecdotal evidence says you are wrong as well. Not everybody makes the same money farming, if that was true, every farmer would have a legendary.

In any case, the money is not an issue for me, the precursor I want (Dusk) has a price that I wouldn’t pay even if I had the money.

There are some ridiculous arguments in the pro-broken camp on this forum. I think some people need to take a break from the game.

I made the Bifrost 3 weeks ago. It cost me like 1.5k gold. For the precursor itself i paid 300g long time ago. In the beginning i thought i will not go for legendary. 2 months later i had 3 different sets of exotic equipment – berserker with divinity runes, condition with afflicted and MF with pirate/traveler + weapons. I had 3 crafting professions maxed. 2 additional slots in the bank, all the additional bag slots unlocked for 2 characters and still had 400 gold … I found it needless, so i bought the precursor.
I have never did any market manipulations, neither i flipped items on TP. Every day before log out i crafted every rare/exotic i can and put it on TP. Never got exotic drop more expensive than 5g. I have never bought gems with cash. Most of this money i farmed while there was thousands of rangers and bears running around. The gems was so cheap that i was salvaging rares with black lion kits and everything else with mystic kits. 1 ecto was 12-13s, crystalline dust was less than silver. Still … i paid for my precursor over 2.5k ectos.
So … dont tell me precursors are overpriced. I’m sick of all this whining. Their price is FINE. As long as 1 vial of powerful blood is 30s and single ecto is 40s.

SET.3275:

I made the Bifrost 3 weeks ago. It cost me like 1.5k gold. For the precursor itself i paid 300g long time ago. In the beginning i thought i will not go for legendary. 2 months later i had 3 different sets of exotic equipment – berserker with divinity runes, condition with afflicted and MF with pirate/traveler + weapons. I had 3 crafting professions maxed. 2 additional slots in the bank, all the additional bag slots unlocked for 2 characters and still had 400 gold … I found it needless, so i bought the precursor.
I have never did any market manipulations, neither i flipped items on TP. Every day before log out i crafted every rare/exotic i can and put it on TP. Never got exotic drop more expensive than 5g. I have never bought gems with cash. Most of this money i farmed while there was thousands of rangers and bears running around. The gems was so cheap that i was salvaging rares with black lion kits and everything else with mystic kits. 1 ecto was 12-13s, crystalline dust was less than silver. Still … i paid for my precursor over 2.5k ectos.
So … dont tell me precursors are overpriced. I’m sick of all this whining. Their price is FINE. As long as 1 vial of powerful blood is 30s and single ecto is 40s.

/Age + achievement points in game?

You are (probably, maybe you are dungeon master, completed all jumps and stuff to do out there) the clear example of why we think Legendaries are horribly implemented.

Farm farm farm farm farm, gold gold gold gold gold gold gold, ERMAHGERD IMA LEGEND!

Age … cant check it now, probably over 1000 hrs. 3700 achievement points, while some of my friends have 5k, but no precursor neither want any. There is dungeons i have never been in. In the same time there is dungeons i’ve been more than i need – i have like 500 arah tokens in the bank (and i spent 1.5k more for the gift, daggers and equipment). I havent killed simin still, but i’m always up for path 4.
Did i mentioned i’m not using my Bifrost? It have kittening stats and knowing what it cost me i dont want to transmute it.

SET.3275:

Age … cant check it now, probably over 1000 hrs. 3700 achievement points, while some of my friends have 5k, but no precursor neither want any. There is dungeons i have never been in. In the same time there is dungeons i’ve been more than i need – i have like 500 arah tokens in the bank (and i spent 1.5k more for the gift, daggers and equipment). I havent killed simin still, but i’m always up for path 4.
Did i mentioned i’m not using my Bifrost? It have kittening stats and knowing what it cost me i dont want to transmute it.

This is what I mean, not trying to point a finger at you; besides your particular case is not that bad, but some players sports legendaries only doing COF and AC (less than 3K achievement points as well).- How can that player be a “Truly Master of Tyria!”?

It’s either re-do the whole legendary way of getting them (lol, dreaming is free right?) or cut the lies and just say they represent gold mining players and not players who completed the game content.

BTW, I think you can transmute it now and keep Legendary status of the item,

Xaaz.8472:

Charismatic Harm.9683:

There are currently 3 ways to get a precursor (random world drop, Mystic Forge and Trading Post) with another one slated later (scavenger hunt). If you don’t currently like one of the ways to get a precursor that’s in the game now, then you should wait until the scavenger hunt is released and determine if THAT way suits you better. Who knows how long that will be though.

Yes, so I should sit on everything I have to make 2 legendaries because I’m not lucky. That makes a boatload of sense. The only people that defend this current system already have them via luck or exploits. End of story.

You assume that just because I defend the current system that I have a Legendary? Well….you would be wrong. I do NOT have a Legendary and am currently working on mine, albeit slowly. I’m working on it slowly because I actually took what the developers said to heart and deem it as a long-term goal.

I’m sorry if my suggestion for you to wait for the scavenger hunt offended your delicate sensibility, but honestly, it seems like that may be the best option for you. You are obviously upset with the current way to gather up your shinies. It’s too bad, because there are so many other things in this game that make it worth playing outside of having a Legendary.

Please don’t assume that you know me, or my motivations, because more often than not, you’d be wrong.

Apolyon.6937:

Ursan.7846:

Xaaz.8472:

Yes, so I should sit on everything I have to make 2 legendaries because I’m not lucky. That makes a boatload of sense. The only people that defend this current system already have them via luck or exploits. End of story.

Or actually farms dungeons/Orr to make my money? You know people actually do this. I am one of them.

So anecdotal evidence says you are wrong!

Well, anecdotal evidence says you are wrong as well. Not everybody makes the same money farming, if that was true, every farmer would have a legendary.

I’m wrong? You think the statement “The only people that defend this current system already have them via luck or exploits.” is correct then?

No, because I don’t claim that the “only” people who do certain things fit a certain mold.

Because anecdotal evidence exists that contradict the statement made by the poster I quoted “The only people that defend this current system already have them via luck or exploits. End of story.” that statement is wrong.

Well.. he is right about something, noone deserves credit for getting a precursor… not even buying it deservers “respect”, for what? running AC and COF a thousend times?

I’ve bought my precursor off the trading post without any trouble. Are you suggesting that the price is too high ? the price is driven both by demand and supply, in this case you should stop crying about the price and complain about the demand. You can help the price of your beloved dusk by not wanting it – because less people want those → lower the price is, if you are all about lowering the price – begin with yourself and stop wanting the dawn/dusk.
All the “dusk price is too high” threads should be renamed into the “there are too many people who want the dusk, including me” threads.

Maylojager.1307:

I’ve bought my precursor off the trading post without any trouble. Are you suggesting that the price is too high ? the price is driven both by demand and supply, in this case you should stop crying about the price and complain about the demand. You can help the price of your beloved dusk by not wanting it – because less people want those -> lower the price is, if you are all about lowering the price – begin with yourself and stop wanting the dawn/dusk.
All the “dusk price is too high” threads should be renamed into the “there are too many people who want the dusk, including me” threads.

lol, assuming much?

If there is one thing I truly hate in this game art are Legendary GS… It’s not my point to discuss the price of the precursors but the lack of options to work towards a legendary that does not revolve around gold farming and are more pointed into in game achievements.

Try reading the whole thread next time. It will save you from pointless answers.

Charismatic Harm.9683:

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There are currently 3 ways to get a precursor (random world drop, Mystic Forge and Trading Post) with another one slated later (scavenger hunt). If you don’t currently like one of the ways to get a precursor that’s in the game now, then you should wait until the scavenger hunt is released and determine if THAT way suits you better. Who knows how long that will be though.

However, there are only 2 ways for a precursor to enter the world, and that is random drop or MF. Precursors just don’t spawn out of nowhere on the TP.

Let me rephrase the first posting in this thread:

“Bla bla bla precursors are fine because I got one and you don’t so stop crying and buy mine for 600gold bla bla.”

No change to precursors prices in a month.
Gee I wonder why’s that.

Mesket.5728:

SET.3275:

Age … cant check it now, probably over 1000 hrs. 3700 achievement points, while some of my friends have 5k, but no precursor neither want any. There is dungeons i have never been in. In the same time there is dungeons i’ve been more than i need – i have like 500 arah tokens in the bank (and i spent 1.5k more for the gift, daggers and equipment). I havent killed simin still, but i’m always up for path 4.
Did i mentioned i’m not using my Bifrost? It have kittening stats and knowing what it cost me i dont want to transmute it.

This is what I mean, not trying to point a finger at you; besides your particular case is not that bad, but some players sports legendaries only doing COF and AC (less than 3K achievement points as well).- How can that player be a “Truly Master of Tyria!”?

It’s either re-do the whole legendary way of getting them (lol, dreaming is free right?) or cut the lies and just say they represent gold mining players and not players who completed the game content.

BTW, I think you can transmute it now and keep Legendary status of the item,

NOOOO DO NOT TRANSMUTE YOUR LEGENDARY. YOU LOSE LEGENDARY STATUS. DO NOT DO THIS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Noobkaka.5067:

Everyone are yelling “precursor prizes too high!” “market manipulation!”

Well, I think it’s fine that something that is a part of a LEGENDARY should be hard to obtain.

The thing is, if you restrict the Legendary with “actual” requirements for skill, you end up with a subset of the playerbase that simply cannot get Legendaries. And that would cause a kittenstorm even larger than the current one.

Only thing Im bothered with is when things that are not legendary, cost as much as the legendaries on the tp.

infinite light and other unique exotics, why should they ever be pricet at the same height as the legendaries? They don’t have the same flashy animations or better stats, they are just unique exotic skins. (yes legendaries are unique “skins” too, but they are legendaries)

Well those can be fixed by tweaking the amount/type of Lodestones required.

@Olba
I totally agree with the first part of your post. Many people tend to forget what would happen if what they’d personally want to change would actually be changed. It would either make legendaries common like hell or cause an even greater uproar.

Although i disagree with your second thought Those skins are special because they are expensive and expensive because they are special^^ they should stay this way because they are a perfectly viable alternative for players still looking for something prestige.

Lucas of the Desert.2165:

@Olba
I totally agree with the first part of your post. Many people tend to forget what would happen if what they’d personally want to change would actually be changed. It would either make legendaries common like hell or cause an even greater uproar.

As a good example, a lot of people bring up making an extremely hard jumping puzzle. But just take a look at the massive amount of complaints that the Clocktower puzzle resulted in. And of course, we have people who are in the upper age brackets, who simply lack the reflexes and hand-eye coordination to complete those extremely difficult puzzles.

And on the other hand, if you just make it a doable but lengthy chain of quests and whatnot, it’ll result in Legendaries being overly common.

Although i disagree with your second thought Those skins are special because they are expensive and expensive because they are special^^ they should stay this way because they are a perfectly viable alternative for players still looking for something prestige.

Oh, I wasn’t actually expressing an opinion on whether I think the MF exotics are overpriced or not, I was just offering a simplistic solution without much afterthought.

+1ed your post right now this should be viewed by all those complaining and offering “simple solutions”.

Although i personally loved the Halloween JP and would love one that is even harder by a multitude of times, i’d suppose that it would kitten players off even more xD Definitly looking forward to the scavenger hunt

Noobkaka.5067:

Well, I think it’s fine that something that is a part of a LEGENDARY should be hard to obtain.

Obtaining any part of a Legendary isn’t hard. A 13 year old with ADD could do it. If you meant long, tedious and boring to the point where I would poke my own eyes out then yes, I would agree.

Calae.1738:

Noobkaka.5067:

Well, I think it’s fine that something that is a part of a LEGENDARY should be hard to obtain.

Obtaining any part of a Legendary isn’t hard. A 13 year old with ADD could do it. If you meant long, tedious and boring to the point where I would poke my own eyes out then yes, I would agree.

If bots could do it…. people still defending the current designed must be afraid of a) loosing a potential precursor sell, b)not up to real challenge.

That isn’t the case I know that it is completely possible to obtain a precursor without any sort of exploitation, I played the game and obtained the gold from orichalcum farming everyday, selling orichalcum items (exotic) and from there i was able to get dawn if you do not believe me i have the video of my success PLZ NOTE the video is three members trying to obtain dawn the first tried about 500 greatswords, the second tried 50 greatswords, and I tried 400 greatswords

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6TusmshpDg”

i did this by getting enough gold to buy the mats required to make level 80 rares it ends up cheaper to make em then it is to just buy them from the tp, plus if your not lucky you can still sell the exotics you obtained and make about 80%- 90% back for more chances to go mystic forge

Scavenger thing is just a blatant mess up waiting to happen.