Guild Wars 2

I used 2 Black Lion Salvage kits on 50 Globs of Ectoplasm’s to convert to Piles of Crytsaline Dusts. I have received 104 dusts. You get a minimum of 1 and a maximum of 5.

How about you?

Test 2.

Used 50 charges of Master Salvage kit on 50 Globs and returned 102 dusts.

Conclusion: Don’t use your Black Lion kits.

This tells me that dust prices should definitely crash further than they already have.

Test 3.

Used 50 charges of Basic Salvage kit on 50 Globs and returned 79 dusts.

Conclusion: Don’t use Basic Salvage kits.

Master kits it is then!

Small sample sizes overall, but it gives us a pretty good idea at least! Thanks for the info!

My first prediction is going to be:

Ectos: 25s
Dust: 15s

Why? Those just seem reasonable at the moment. I will refine my predictions when I think about it and watch the market for a bit.

Salvaged an ecto, got 5 dusts. Nice.

50 globs → 104 dust.
Master kits.

Wow dust crashed to 15s a pop.

A lot of dust in the wind now…

What did dust start at today? I would like to record how much gold I’m missing out on.

If only I was at home to capitalize…

Oh well, as someone headed for Bifrost, I’m excited for cheap dust!

I dare you guys to complain about A.net not listening. They just slaughtered 2 economic problems with a very elegant fix.

The rate sounds hilarious! Thanks for the science!

Dust price is bouncing right now, trying to find it’s spot.

In a couple of Hrs went down to 14s/10s (Sell/Offer), then back to 20s/18s, now is 16s/14s…

I wouldn’t make calls on price of dust till tomorrow.

I will. 15s. Considering the ecto to dust conversion, that is the midpoint between their two prices. Ecto will increase to 30, dust will never not be exactly half of that at 15.

marnick.4305:

I dare you guys to complain about A.net not listening. They just slaughtered 2 economic problems with a very elegant fix.

Thank God, I was one of those hit with the Ecto tank. Now looks like holding onto those piles have paid off.

113 ecto turned to 200 dusts with basic salvage kits

LONGA.1652:

113 ecto turned to 200 dusts with basic salvage kits

Whoa, interesting info.

marnick.4305:

I dare you guys to complain about A.net not listening. They just slaughtered 2 economic problems with a very elegant fix.

Exactly! Very nice update. Brilliant idea. I wonder whether John Smith had his hand in this.

No they didn’t. The whole reason for dust going up was the fact loot drops were nerfed to ground. So they still don’t drop, there’s just another way to get them now. Watch the other t6 as southsun disappears, good lord.

Master salvage kit: 250 ecto = 458 Dust (1,832)
Basic Salvage kit: 250 ecto = 407 Dust (1,628)

There’s some science for you guys.

Salvaged 200 ecto into 350 dust give or take a few with a basic kit.

At the current prices it’s better to salvage ectos for dust and sell them on the TP for a profit.
O wait….after this post it won’t be anymore.

Mystic Salvage Kit on 500 ectos = 907 dust

50 ectos, 105 dust, master kit

So in general we can expect a return of about 2 Dust per Ecto, and that we should use Master/Mystic kits if available. Thanks for the research, everyone.

With a ratio like that, personally I’m expecting prices for C.Dust to stabilise around 10 – 12 silver, with occasional spikes to 15 silver.

Gasoline.2570:

No they didn’t. The whole reason for dust going up was the fact loot drops were nerfed to ground. So they still don’t drop, there’s just another way to get them now. Watch the other t6 as southsun disappears, good lord.

Disagree.

Zaxares.5419:

So in general we can expect a return of about 2 Dust per Ecto, and that we should use Master/Mystic kits if available. Thanks for the research, everyone.

what? no. i used the cheapest kits and still got a 1.5 ratio out of it. so the more expensive kits are not worth using.

Im just slightly annoyed i didnt sell the dust i had before the patch, when it was 39silver. Had 15g worth of dust from the mystic clover recipe.

Just throwing this out there: Is there any reason (science, lore or otherwise) we should be able to get crystallized dust from a glob of ectoplasm?

Rebort.6295:

Just throwing this out there: Is there any reason (science, lore or otherwise) we should be able to get crystallized dust from a glob of ectoplasm?

Dust drops from ghosts, ectos are a ghost like item?

Interestingly enough, Ectos have stabilized near the pre-patch price (~18s) while Dust has completely tanked (~40s prepatch). Sell listing prices as of 12 June 2013 8:30 AM CST

Ecto: 19s88
Dust: 13s86

I guess the ecto supply was sufficiently massive to absorb the salvaging of a significant number of ectos and that the demand for Dust was small enough that it could be met without significantly impacting the ecto market?

Errant Venture.9371:

Interestingly enough, Ectos have stabilized near the pre-patch price (~18s) while Dust has completely tanked (~40s prepatch). Sell listing prices as of 12 June 2013 8:30 AM CST

Ecto: 19s88
Dust: 13s86

I guess the ecto supply was sufficiently massive to absorb the salvaging of a significant number of ectos and that the demand for Dust was small enough that it could be met without significantly impacting the ecto market?

You can still farm the heck out of ectos, supply will never be an issue. Ectos rose when people bought them out right after the patch, then the farmers got on, did their meta events and CoFP1 and boom, supply refreshed.

So, what I’m reading is:
BSK = 1.6 dust/ecto
MSK = 2 dust/ecto
BLSK = 2 dust/ecto

let’s assume ectos costs 20s and gems cost 3.1g
Basic SK = (20 + 0.0352) / 1.6 = you pay 12s52c per dust
Master SK = (20 + 0.6144) / 2 = you pay 10s31c per dust
Mystic SK = (20 + 1.77896) / 2 = you pay 10s89c per dust
BLSK = (20 + 37.2) / 2 = you pay 28s60c per dust

Master SK is clearly the most profitable (unless you get BLSK for free). And since dust currently sells for 13s, you can actually sell it at a 74c profit after TP tax. That won’t last long.

I really appreciate all the research in this thread – this is exactly what I was hoping to find when I clicked on this subforum.
I’m a little short on funds and am unable to contribute at this time.

Thanks for the research.

I would like to add that until we get very large number of attempts, I’m assuming Basic kits would yield as much as Mystic ones. My reasoning for this is because you’re not “upgrading” your salvage, nor are you trying to save a Sigil/Rune from the item. It’s a simple break down of an Ecto into Dust. Now if you salvaged an Ecto, and could get, say, Incandescent Dust with a rare chance to get Crystalline Dust, then I would lean more for Mystic kits.

^ That is a good point, Penguin. Until we can get more concrete numbers showing that higher tier kits have better odds for higher returns of Dust, I guess I can revise my approach to using Basic Kits if I need to salvage Ecto.

Well, so far
Salvage – Ecto

BLTC ( 2,08 per salvage, 50 samples)
50 – 104

Master ( 1,995 – 400 samples)
50 – 102
50 – 104
250 – 487
50 – 105

Mystic ( 1,814 – 500 samples)
500 – 907

Basic (1,661 & 413 samples or 1,563 and 663 samples)
50 – 79
113 – 200
250 – 407
“250 – 350 give or take”

I’d go master. Please feel free wasting with basic.

Master
25-50
25-49
25-39
25-37

Got some pretty bad luck on the last batches so i stopped before i lost too much gold.

I run with a conservative guesstimate of 1.7:1 for master kits. I don’t believe I ever got close to 2:1 with master kits with the hundred+ ectos I’ve done.

marnick.4305:

I dare you guys to complain about A.net not listening. They just slaughtered 2 economic problems with a very elegant fix.

For once.
I for one am sick of “we fixed this bug” and it’s not fixed. A month later “We fixed the bug we previously said we fixed” and it’s not fixed.
What am I talking about?
Old AC p2 bug with Detha and the traps (multiple months).
But that was so long Ago! How about something more recent?
Fractals- the giant one with the cultist at the end, stacking still makes him drop the hammer again (still not fixed after two-three months of them claiming it was, lol).

Awesome thing about Dust is that the Bifrost is now 150~ gold cheaper to make.

12×750 instead of 35×750. 92~ gold for all 750.

2:1 ratio was about what I was seeing too :\ …not exactly groundshattering, but I suppose it will keep Crystalines from going above 15k again in the near future. I STILL think however that’s it’s imperative for them to re-evaluate their current T5—>T6 conversion of Incandescent though. …which currently requires 250, and only spits out ~15 Crystaline. ….that’s a HUGE LOSS in my opinion and just plain numerically reKitten’ed when you consider just how many Maintenance/Sharpening cons you could get out of those and then use directly for faster farming. (yet ANOTHER one of those gameplay things, I seriously doubt Smith takes into account).

Salvaged 250 ecto with Mystic Salvage kit

250e produced 469 dust

1.876 dust / ecto

EDIT: Salvaged another 100e into 183 dust with Mystic

1.83 dust / ecto

I’ve found with very large batches you can achieve 1.7 to 2.1 dust /ecto. But in small batches, like converting under 25, even under 50, a run of bad rolls, few if any 3 to 5 dust/ecto, can push the conversion rate average well bellow 1.5 dust/ecto which including the cost of the master kits means you lost value converting.

used Mystic Salvage Kit on 245 Glob of Ectoplasm and got 495 Pile of Cristalline Dust = 2.02 Dust per Ecto.

Resurrected? Oki.

Personal data;
6505 dust from 3500 ecto.
1,859 with master salvage kit.

(For basic I’ve only 407/250 thus 1,628 per BSK)

Last time I did a dust conversion, a few days ago, 91 ectos yielded 147 dust with master salvage kits. That basically covered the cost of the 105 rares and the 8 master kits to do all the salvage with my profits being from the runes and materials.

I was doing some basic math from what raw data i found here and on reddit. Sadly there is not much to go on, since most data was collected with Mystic/Master Kit only. So based on that I did a lot of speculation and came up with … not so much. :/ My guess now would be: 1.6 + 0.01 * Kits rarer materials % Chance = Dust per Salvage.
Mind you this is not more than speculation based on that little i had to go on. It very likely also could be something like: 1.5 + 0.015 * Kits rarer materials % Chance = Dust per Salvage. In any case the Master’s Salvage Kit would still be the best way to go.