Guild Wars 2

First, i want to say the “search” option in the forums is horrible… almost never works. How can it not find a single post when “Fused Weapon Skin” is entered??

To my question… Are the Fused Weapon Skins at the Black Lion Trakitten ermanent or temporary till the 10 day sale is over?

Seeing as you need 70 scraps to make 7 tickets to get 1 skin, and I assume you only get a chance at getting just 1 scrap out of a chest at a time. We are looking at openning hundreds of chests to try and get one of these skins.

I use Google to search. Simply add site:forum-en.guildwars2.com after what you are searching for.

While you’re at it, google “fused rifle”.

(C’mon people, start listing that rifle already!)

I think they’re permanent. Don’t quote me on that, but I think the notice about them implies that though the gem store stuff is temporary, the fused weapons will be available to buy permanently via black lion tickets (they’re permanently at the black lion specialists anyway, and ANet seem to be making more and more of the “older” skins more accessible to us now).

They will be permanent at the Black Lion Ticket Vendor after the sale ends.

Fused weapons will be incredibly rare now. I have both a Fused GS and a Fused Longbow and supply is very short. And I doubt we will be seeing any new Fused weapons entering the world supply since the cost for tickets is ridiculous.

I don’t understand why the Fused skins are more expensive than all the other skins (Black Lion Ticket-wise, I mean. I understand the TP prices is just really low supply). The 5-ticket cost of most of the other weapons is already very high as it is, and the Fused weapons are for some reason even higher? Why?

Simple reason: because EVERYONE (including you) wants them. And when you’ll look at buy orders, people are willing to pay a good coin for what they want.

So first off, the amount of RNG involved is so high in obtaining 7 tickets that you would be better off just converting gems you bought with real life money to gold and buying the skins off the Trading Post, then using those gems to buy keys.
If you are not using real life money and you are converting gold to gems…. well then you are an utter fool as the amount of gold you need to do this far far out succeeds the current fused skin prices on the Trading Post.

But lets forget about all of the stuff mentioned above and you still decide to do it. You obtained your 7 tickets. Should you then buy the fused weapon?

The answer is still NO. Lets look at trading post prices for a second. Now, Im going to be round off some numbers and place prices in extremes just to prove my point.

Lets say a fused skin is 250g (this prices is rather high compared to what the prices actually are and you most likely can get the skin cheaper than this). What you can do is use your 7 tickets and buy 7 zodiac weapons. You can then sell this skins for about 40g (this is basing off of highest buyer and after taking in taxes; AGAIN, you can probably get more money then this for the skins, but Im trying to prove my point here).

7 skins x 40g per skin = 280g total

This means that you could buy the fused skin for the 250g and have 30g left over, which is much better than wasting 7 tickets on JUST the skin.

Moral of the story: RNG is horrible trash and you should never buy into it. 7 tickets is a horrible price and Anet should feel horrible for implementing it.

Diviner.7405:

So first off, the amount of RNG involved is so high in obtaining 7 tickets that you would be better off just converting gems you bought with real life money to gold and buying the skins off the Trading Post, then using those gems to buy keys.
If you are not using real life money and you are converting gold to gems…. well then you are an utter fool as the amount of gold you need to do this far far out succeeds the current fused skin prices on the Trading Post.

But lets forget about all of the stuff mentioned above and you still decide to do it. You obtained your 7 tickets. Should you then buy the fused weapon?

The answer is still NO. Lets look at trading post prices for a second. Now, Im going to be round off some numbers and place prices in extremes just to prove my point.

Lets say a fused skin is 250g (this prices is rather high compared to what the prices actually are and you most likely can get the skin cheaper than this). What you can do is use your 7 tickets and buy 7 zodiac weapons. You can then sell this skins for about 40g (this is basing off of highest buyer and after taking in taxes; AGAIN, you can probably get more money then this for the skins, but Im trying to prove my point here).

7 skins x 40g per skin = 280g total

This means that you could buy the fused skin for the 250g and have 30g left over, which is much better than wasting 7 tickets on JUST the skin.

Moral of the story: RNG is horrible trash and you should never buy into it. 7 tickets is a horrible price and Anet should feel horrible for implementing it.

Except that the reason why they priced it so expensive is to keep the rarity of the skin in tact.

Anet wants to do two things with these skins
-maintain the rarity of the item
-provide an alternative to still obtain the skin for those that truly wanted it

And what better way to do that then price the skin so high that only those who really want it will pursue it?

If you don’t believe me, hear it from the man himself:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/10-days-of-special-sales/page/2#post2689914

Vol.5241:

Diviner.7405:

So first off, the amount of RNG involved is so high in obtaining 7 tickets that you would be better off just converting gems you bought with real life money to gold and buying the skins off the Trading Post, then using those gems to buy keys.
If you are not using real life money and you are converting gold to gems…. well then you are an utter fool as the amount of gold you need to do this far far out succeeds the current fused skin prices on the Trading Post.

But lets forget about all of the stuff mentioned above and you still decide to do it. You obtained your 7 tickets. Should you then buy the fused weapon?

The answer is still NO. Lets look at trading post prices for a second. Now, Im going to be round off some numbers and place prices in extremes just to prove my point.

Lets say a fused skin is 250g (this prices is rather high compared to what the prices actually are and you most likely can get the skin cheaper than this). What you can do is use your 7 tickets and buy 7 zodiac weapons. You can then sell this skins for about 40g (this is basing off of highest buyer and after taking in taxes; AGAIN, you can probably get more money then this for the skins, but Im trying to prove my point here).

7 skins x 40g per skin = 280g total

This means that you could buy the fused skin for the 250g and have 30g left over, which is much better than wasting 7 tickets on JUST the skin.

Moral of the story: RNG is horrible trash and you should never buy into it. 7 tickets is a horrible price and Anet should feel horrible for implementing it.

Except that the reason why they priced it so expensive is to keep the rarity of the skin in tact.

Anet wants to do two things with these skins
-maintain the rarity of the item
-provide an alternative to still obtain the skin for those that truly wanted it

And what better way to do that then price the skin so high that only those who really want it will pursue it?

If you don’t believe me, hear it from the man himself:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/10-days-of-special-sales/page/2#post2689914

Yeah, but what Anet failed to realize is that there is absolutely NO reason to pursue the other option due to horrible RNG and the fact that there is cheaper ways to obtain the same thing. You have to be a fool to us the 7 tickets on a fused skin when you can get the same thing and then some for using those 7tickets on something else.

Why even have an Option B when Option A is better every way no matter which way you look at it?

All it does is make it look like Anet has no idea what they are doing, and even worse, it makes it look like Anet thinks we are all idiots.

Diviner.7405:

Vol.5241:

Diviner.7405:

So first off, the amount of RNG involved is so high in obtaining 7 tickets that you would be better off just converting gems you bought with real life money to gold and buying the skins off the Trading Post, then using those gems to buy keys.
If you are not using real life money and you are converting gold to gems…. well then you are an utter fool as the amount of gold you need to do this far far out succeeds the current fused skin prices on the Trading Post.

But lets forget about all of the stuff mentioned above and you still decide to do it. You obtained your 7 tickets. Should you then buy the fused weapon?

The answer is still NO. Lets look at trading post prices for a second. Now, Im going to be round off some numbers and place prices in extremes just to prove my point.

Lets say a fused skin is 250g (this prices is rather high compared to what the prices actually are and you most likely can get the skin cheaper than this). What you can do is use your 7 tickets and buy 7 zodiac weapons. You can then sell this skins for about 40g (this is basing off of highest buyer and after taking in taxes; AGAIN, you can probably get more money then this for the skins, but Im trying to prove my point here).

7 skins x 40g per skin = 280g total

This means that you could buy the fused skin for the 250g and have 30g left over, which is much better than wasting 7 tickets on JUST the skin.

Moral of the story: RNG is horrible trash and you should never buy into it. 7 tickets is a horrible price and Anet should feel horrible for implementing it.

Except that the reason why they priced it so expensive is to keep the rarity of the skin in tact.

Anet wants to do two things with these skins
-maintain the rarity of the item
-provide an alternative to still obtain the skin for those that truly wanted it

And what better way to do that then price the skin so high that only those who really want it will pursue it?

If you don’t believe me, hear it from the man himself:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/10-days-of-special-sales/page/2#post2689914

Yeah, but what Anet failed to realize is that there is absolutely NO reason to pursue the other option due to horrible RNG and the fact that there is cheaper ways to obtain the same thing. You have to be a fool to us the 7 tickets on a fused skin when you can get the same thing and then some for using those 7tickets on something else.

Why even have an Option B when Option A is better every way no matter which way you look at it?

All it does is make it look like Anet has no idea what they are doing, and even worse, it makes it look like Anet thinks we are all idiots.

Well right now the situation with precursors is exactly the same situation. You can buy it guaranteed or you can risk gambling it.

You can buy the fused weapon outright by converting the gems you would have spent otherwise…or you can spend those gems and gamble on the tickets.

And let us suppose you did end up with 7 tickets. Should I spend it all on the weapon or should I buy other stuff and sell it? The latter is still a gamble and a risk. You could be undercut, making you lose money quickly. You also spread your gold all around, increasing the risk that you may not recoup the funds in a timely fashion.

The latter is not a gamble or a risk. If you sold your 7 zodiac skins to highest buyer, you would still have more money than even the highest skin cost at lowest seller.

Like I said, the new option is all RNG with a lower payout, then the old option with no RNG and higher payout.

Vol.5241:

Diviner.7405:

Vol.5241:

Diviner.7405:

So first off, the amount of RNG involved is so high in obtaining 7 tickets that you would be better off just converting gems you bought with real life money to gold and buying the skins off the Trading Post, then using those gems to buy keys.
If you are not using real life money and you are converting gold to gems…. well then you are an utter fool as the amount of gold you need to do this far far out succeeds the current fused skin prices on the Trading Post.

But lets forget about all of the stuff mentioned above and you still decide to do it. You obtained your 7 tickets. Should you then buy the fused weapon?

The answer is still NO. Lets look at trading post prices for a second. Now, Im going to be round off some numbers and place prices in extremes just to prove my point.

Lets say a fused skin is 250g (this prices is rather high compared to what the prices actually are and you most likely can get the skin cheaper than this). What you can do is use your 7 tickets and buy 7 zodiac weapons. You can then sell this skins for about 40g (this is basing off of highest buyer and after taking in taxes; AGAIN, you can probably get more money then this for the skins, but Im trying to prove my point here).

7 skins x 40g per skin = 280g total

This means that you could buy the fused skin for the 250g and have 30g left over, which is much better than wasting 7 tickets on JUST the skin.

Moral of the story: RNG is horrible trash and you should never buy into it. 7 tickets is a horrible price and Anet should feel horrible for implementing it.

Except that the reason why they priced it so expensive is to keep the rarity of the skin in tact.

Anet wants to do two things with these skins
-maintain the rarity of the item
-provide an alternative to still obtain the skin for those that truly wanted it

And what better way to do that then price the skin so high that only those who really want it will pursue it?

If you don’t believe me, hear it from the man himself:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/10-days-of-special-sales/page/2#post2689914

Yeah, but what Anet failed to realize is that there is absolutely NO reason to pursue the other option due to horrible RNG and the fact that there is cheaper ways to obtain the same thing. You have to be a fool to us the 7 tickets on a fused skin when you can get the same thing and then some for using those 7tickets on something else.

Why even have an Option B when Option A is better every way no matter which way you look at it?

All it does is make it look like Anet has no idea what they are doing, and even worse, it makes it look like Anet thinks we are all idiots.

Well right now the situation with precursors is exactly the same situation. You can buy it guaranteed or you can risk gambling it.

You can buy the fused weapon outright by converting the gems you would have spent otherwise…or you can spend those gems and gamble on the tickets.

And let us suppose you did end up with 7 tickets. Should I spend it all on the weapon or should I buy other stuff and sell it? The latter is still a gamble and a risk. You could be undercut, making you lose money quickly. You also spread your gold all around, increasing the risk that you may not recoup the funds in a timely fashion.

The current prices would be unreasonable if the ticket scraps would have a 100% droprate.
5 keys = 450 gems.
Assuming a 100% droprate we would be at 70 keys.
70/5*450 = 6300 gems -> You have to buy gems for 80$/€… for one skin.
The droprate isn’t even close to 100%.

The current system is a joke.

The other chest items itself aren’t worth it most of the time.
You know, 50 guild influence, a bag with 3s and some mystery tonics are not worth 125 gems.

Vol.5241:

Except that the reason why they priced it so expensive is to keep the rarity of the skin in tact.

Anet wants to do two things with these skins
-maintain the rarity of the item
-provide an alternative to still obtain the skin for those that truly wanted it

And what better way to do that then price the skin so high that only those who really want it will pursue it?

If you don’t believe me, hear it from the man himself:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/10-days-of-special-sales/page/2#post2689914

Well yah, of course. That’s why all the skins are expensive to get, costing 5 tickets each. Keeps ’em favorable do get during their first limited-time availability, while still letting you eventually get them if you want them that bad.

I just don’t understand why the Fused weapons are more than the cost of the others even. What’s so special about the Fused weapons that they need to be even more rare and hard to get than other event skins?

I hate to beat a dead horse here, but it really does seem like Anet did not think the price through.

If this not case and they did think it through, then I find it insulting that they think I would be dumb enough to fall for this.

So what is Anet? You failed to think something through (which is not new) or do you think your player base is really dumb enough to fall for this?

Either way Anet will not look good.

Diviner.7405:

I hate to beat a dead horse here, but it really does seem like Anet did not think the price through.

If this not case and they did think it through, then I find it insulting that they think I would be dumb enough to fall for this.

So what is Anet? You failed to think something through (which is not new) or do you think your player base is really dumb enough to fall for this?

Either way Anet will not look good.

Can it be both?

Uther Deathhand.1570:

Diviner.7405:

I hate to beat a dead horse here, but it really does seem like Anet did not think the price through.

If this not case and they did think it through, then I find it insulting that they think I would be dumb enough to fall for this.

So what is Anet? You failed to think something through (which is not new) or do you think your player base is really dumb enough to fall for this?

Either way Anet will not look good.

Can it be both?

It could be, but I would think that Anet would be…. oh wait nevermind.

@People saying it’s better to just buy it off the TP than opening chests

The more people that do this the fewer skins there are, the higher the price goes. The only thing making new skins is the people that are opening chests.

wow.. my thread got highjacked HARD… Thank you Curtis for answering my question.

To all others…
1) I agree the Fused skin cost should be 5 Black Lion Claim Tickets instead of 7

2) The Black Lion Ticket Scraps have a horrible drop rate. In NO WAY are they a “common drop” as the wiki states. A “common drop” to me would suggest that you have a 60-70% drop rate from the Black Lion Chests.

3) If you are opening Black Lion Chests for the sole purpose of getting scraps to get tickets, then you are doing it for the wrong reason. If the drop rate was working as intended and the scraps were in fact “common drops”, they are meant to be a consolation prize for not getting whatever special item the chest currently drops, which happens to be Zodiac Tickets. Anet means for you to slowly collect scraps to trade in over time to keep the skins somewhat rare.

I think Anet knows exactly what they are doing when it comes to the skins and scraps. They just need to fix the drop rate to actually be “common drop”.

PS: just farm Black Lion keys if you dont want to buy them with gems/gold. You can farm 3 keys every 65-70 minutes. Time = money, and if you don’t want to spend the money, you gotta spend the time…