Guild Wars 2

I wrote the topic in account issues but I guess it doesnt hurt to write it here also. And since the gem store is a part of Black Lion Trading…well, I’ll just copy-paste:

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So, while ago a guy reported me for scamming, breaking the rules blablabla…I should report him for insulting but whatever

Rule 9. Rules of Conduct

You may not buy, sell, transfer or auction (or host or facilitate the ability to allow others to buy, sell, transfer or auction) , or offer to transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction, any game Account or game Content, including (without limitation) game characters, character attributes, items, objects, currency, credits or copyrighted material, or any other intellectual property owned or controlled by ArenaNet, Inc., NCsoft, the Service, or our licensors, nor may you encourage or induce any other player to participate in such prohibited transaction(s), except as may be specifically authorized by the Service and by ArenaNet or NCsoft, without first obtaining our express written permission.

This rule doesnt specify if the selling items that are avalivable in gem shop for gold to other players is illegal or not.

Eg. I gift someone mining pick, costume or smth from gem store and the person gives me gold. Like I gift user A Quaggan Backpack and user A sends me 10 gold for this.

I want official word from Anet if possible"

The rules of conduct is not exhaustive. The user agreement has additional clauses on this. What I think it comes down to is that the reason for which you sell, and the buyer buys the item, determines whether it’s legit. I’ll copy some of the relevant clauses:

4. ACCOUNT AND PAYMENTS TO NCSOFT

4 (e) Other payments related to the Game — You acknowledge that NCSOFT has no responsibility with respect to any payments or “donations” related to the Game that You make to any third-party. For example, such payments could be with respect to information, services, or an Item offered or provided by any third-party. You further acknowledge that attempting to make, or making, such payments or “donations” may also fall within the provisions of Section 8 below.
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8. PROHIBITED AND IRREPARABLY HARMFUL ACTIVITIES CONCERNING NCSOFT
You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCSOFT, do any of the following:

[…] f. Engage in any activity prohibited under Section 2(f) above;

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2. LIMITED LICENSE — SERVICE, CONTENT AND SOFTWARE LICENSED NOT SOLD

2. f. Additional License Restrictions — You acknowledge You will not directly or indirectly:

(iv) sell, sub-license, rent, lease, grant a security interest in, borrow, lend, loan, network or engage in any activity that could in any way transfer or provide others access to any Service, Content, Software, or parts thereof, including but not limited to any serial code number, access key or the like.

So, if the person to whom you gift does not have access to the gemstore on purpose, for example the person has a version of the game for free but has to pay in order to gain access to the gemstore and other related content, then you are toast if they find out you circumvented this through a gifting construction.

Other than that, I would stay far, far away from indirectly selling gems if I were you. There’s business interests involved in that, retailers that sell gems probably pay a commission to Anet for being allowed to do so.

Thanks for answer Buttercup

You see, Im not selling gems right ? As Astral said me in this topic

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Gem-store-items-and-gold/first#post3959355

they are talking about real money transactions.

I’m not trying to sell gems to anyone ! I just have some spare of those. Its all about giving someone item from gem store in exchange for gold. Its all about ingame transactions, no real cash involved.

And about free version and access to gemstore – is there such thing in GW 2?

Kafar.5813:

I’m not trying to sell gems to anyone ! I just have some spare of those. Its all about giving someone item from gem store in exchange for gold. Its all about ingame transactions, no real cash involved.

Anyone can convert gold to gems if they want to buy something from the gem store. I’m not sure why anyone would want to pay you to do it for them. If it’s just because you have gems and want gold instead, you can also convert the other way, and sell your gems to the exchange for gold.

I just don’t see the point here, if you want to send a gift to your guildmates it’s one thing, but buying stuff from the gem store to send to random strangers sounds kinda shady to me. If you feel the need to justify your actions, then it’s pretty obvious that you know you shouldn’t do it.

Looks like you and the other player are trying to circumvent the gold/gems and gems/gold ratio, which I think should be allowed.
I see it similar to circumventing the TP tax by mail-trading. Risky, as there is no support if it goes wrong, but allowed.

Well its not about we are trying cus I havent made a deal with anyone Im just asking

So as I digged and as ppl answered me – there is no illegal thing in buying some gem shop things for gold from another person. Eg the cost in gold will be lower, the person that buys will be happy (cus he would pay more for converting gold to gems) and the person selling will be happy (cus he would earn more for selling this item thatn for changing gems>gold directly)

Eg you buy 100 gems for 10 gold. You sell 100 gems for 5 gold. Sell 1000 gems – you got only 50 gold.

BUT – sell an item that costs 1000 gems to someone that will pay 80g for it – you get more than pure gems>gold exchange and the person will pay less than buying gems for himseflf by gold>gem exchange

Nothing shady, nothing scammy in this.

So rules dont forbid that. BUT I wonder if its really ok…well, maybe Anet doesnt mind it at all. I mean when they added gifting option to Gem shop, they knew that ppl will sell account bound items from shop for gold

This probably falls under the “grey market” area, similar to players who trade outside of the TP. I don’t think ANet will act against people who are doing stuff like this, but at the same time, if you happen to get scammed (either as a buyer or seller), then ANet will not help you get your money back either.

If people want something from the gem store, they always have the option of trading gold for gems, or opening their wallet. Those are the officially sanctioned methods. Any other method is at your own risk.

There is nothing illegal here.

By the term SELL means transaction for CASH. Means selling your whatever for CASH.

It is widely known that selling game items for cash is illegal.

Plus in your case, whatever is being sold is actually bought with legit gems. Legit gems bought with cash.

Exactly Zaxares.

As I said to this guy – there is no rule in the ToS, RoC or anything that forbids selling gem store items for ingame gold. It surely forbids selling stuff for real cash but that is obvious – every MMO forbids that. (btw, a while ago while I was searching info on ascended armors I found a forum purely based on illegal trade of MMO/Mobile MMO/Steam accounts….thousands of posts, thousands of users and probably thousands of scammers and thousands of banned traded accounts)

And he just kept insulting me and threatening me. Saying that I shall enjoy being banned etc etc. I wonder If he will get any word from Anet (when they will review chat logs they will se stuff)

Anyway – ofc there is scamming issue but that doesnt concern me. I am well aware that I would be in troubles after scamming sm1 – as I’ve seen some stuff around net scammers in this game are pretty often banned.
Also that guy said he used the “scamming report” also because he was totally sure that its not only illegall but that I’m also 100% a scammer. Not to mention how he yelled that any person that will buy stuff from me will also get banned

Thanks for your answer people Its a shame that I did not wrote down the guy nickname, I would surely send him an mail with link to this topic