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Posted by: Eric.6109

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I noticed that if I go to the exchange part in BLTC, the ratios are strange.
You can exchange 100gems and get 8,5gold – but if you do it the other way ’round, you are looking at about 12-14gold to get 100gems.

Why is there such a discrepancy?

a.net: I will not be buying gems with cash until you fix traits.

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Posted by: laokoko.7403

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The pro Anet reason is market manipulation, gold sink. I played a game with similar system except there is no discrepancy(tax) involved. And every time there’s new cash shop item, the price of gem will jump hugely, since players can set any price they want. Obviously GW2 have this problem also, but the price is a bit more stable.

The negative Anet reason is they just want your money. The lesser gold they give to real life payer, the more real cash players need to spend to buy things they want. And the higher gold->gem price is more people are willing to spend real cash instead of farming money for gem.

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Posted by: Guhracie.3419

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The pro Anet reason is market manipulation, gold sink. I played a game with similar system except there is no discrepancy(tax) involved. And every time there’s new cash shop item, the price of gem will jump hugely, since players can set any price they want. Obviously GW2 have this problem also, but the price is a bit more stable.

The negative Anet reason is they just want your money. The lesser gold they give to real life payer, the more real cash players need to spend to buy things they want. And the higher gold->gem price is more people are willing to spend real cash instead of farming money for gem.

This is false. You cannot choose the price at which you sell your gems. There’s an internal algorithm that prevents people from buying up masses and immediately selling those gems for a profit, hence the disparity in the two prices.

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Posted by: laokoko.7403

laokoko.7403

The pro Anet reason is market manipulation, gold sink. I played a game with similar system except there is no discrepancy(tax) involved. And every time there’s new cash shop item, the price of gem will jump hugely, since players can set any price they want. Obviously GW2 have this problem also, but the price is a bit more stable.

The negative Anet reason is they just want your money. The lesser gold they give to real life payer, the more real cash players need to spend to buy things they want. And the higher gold->gem price is more people are willing to spend real cash instead of farming money for gem.

This is false. You cannot choose the price at which you sell your gems. There’s an internal algorithm that prevents people from buying up masses and immediately selling those gems for a profit, hence the disparity in the two prices.

I didn’t say GW2, I mean I played another game with similar system where gem(or ruby/diamond/pearl/orichalcum whatever currency that game use) price is self regulated by players, and the price usually sky rocket right after a cash shop sale.

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Posted by: Ulion.5476

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Because more people are using gold to buy gems instead of gems to buy gold. At least that was how one of the Dev explained it.

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Posted by: Guhracie.3419

Guhracie.3419

The pro Anet reason is market manipulation, gold sink. I played a game with similar system except there is no discrepancy(tax) involved. And every time there’s new cash shop item, the price of gem will jump hugely, since players can set any price they want. Obviously GW2 have this problem also, but the price is a bit more stable.

The negative Anet reason is they just want your money. The lesser gold they give to real life payer, the more real cash players need to spend to buy things they want. And the higher gold->gem price is more people are willing to spend real cash instead of farming money for gem.

This is false. You cannot choose the price at which you sell your gems. There’s an internal algorithm that prevents people from buying up masses and immediately selling those gems for a profit, hence the disparity in the two prices.

I didn’t say GW2, I mean I played another game with similar system where gem(or ruby/diamond/pearl/orichalcum whatever currency that game use) price is self regulated by players, and the price usually sky rocket right after a cash shop sale.

Thank you for this clarification. I misunderstood your original post.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

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I would like to point out that since 5:20p EDT on the 12th, GW2Spidy’s Exchange rates are a little wonky. First the Gem to Gold is no longer 72.25% of the Gold to Gem. At this moment it’s around 66.7%. However checking the actual exchange in game, it’s still 72.25%. The values of both exchange rates are wrong. Gold to Gem is higher while Gem to Gold is lower than the actual rates on the exchange.

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Posted by: phys.7689

phys.7689

I noticed that if I go to the exchange part in BLTC, the ratios are strange.
You can exchange 100gems and get 8,5gold – but if you do it the other way ’round, you are looking at about 12-14gold to get 100gems.

Why is there such a discrepancy?

essentially this is for cover and profit.

28% helps cover fluctuations and insure that anet doesnt take a loss in the exchange. Past the amount needed for fluctuations, it means anet gets more money for gems that go through the exchange than gems that dont.
You can interpret this is a service charge or however you want to think of it.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

If you look more closely, you can see that, at any given moment:

  • You get 15% less coin than a straight transfer implies when you convert gems to gold.
  • When buying gems to gold, you also get 15% less.

In other words, when we sell gems to coin or when we sell coin for gems, we pay the exact same 15% total tax as if we were selling items on the Trading Post.

In other words, there’s no discrepancy, if you include the fees.

(Same thing, alas, happens in the real world: you go to a Money Exchange vendor at the airport and buy Euros with Dollars — when you try to buy back the dollars, you’ll end up with a lot less than you started, since the vendor takes a cut each transaction.)

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Posted by: Eric.6109

Eric.6109

Thanks for the answers

a.net: I will not be buying gems with cash until you fix traits.

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Posted by: sorudo.9054

sorudo.9054

if they really want more money, they should make the gem→gold exchange higher so ppl can buy gems with real money and get a real profit.
and if the really want to cash in, make a different kind of gems that you buy with real money so the gold→gem exchange can’t be exploited that way.

i will never ever exchange my gems, gems i bought with hard earned money, for a lousy amount of gold.
if it’s 100 gems for 100 gold then i see something good in it (still not much but better), for now 100 gems gives me a pathetic 9-ish gold.

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Posted by: Gaag.6538

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if they really want more money, they should make the gem->gold exchange higher so ppl can buy gems with real money and get a real profit.
and if the really want to cash in, make a different kind of gems that you buy with real money so the gold->gem exchange can’t be exploited that way.

i will never ever exchange my gems, gems i bought with hard earned money, for a lousy amount of gold.
if it’s 100 gems for 100 gold then i see something good in it (still not much but better), for now 100 gems gives me a pathetic 9-ish gold.

-first, every new feature added to the store is for the most part an answer to somebody out there who found a way to exploit the system. Im sure we wont see another change to the gemstore till that happens again.

-second, I dont think it is logic to buy gems to exchange them for gold, if u want gold play the game to earn it, if u want something from the gem store, buy gems, either with gold earned in-game or real money earned …in-life.

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Illconceived Was Na.9781

if they really want more money, they should make the gem->gold exchange higher so ppl can buy gems with real money and get a real profit.
and if the really want to cash in, make a different kind of gems that you buy with real money so the gold->gem exchange can’t be exploited that way.

i will never ever exchange my gems, gems i bought with hard earned money, for a lousy amount of gold.
if it’s 100 gems for 100 gold then i see something good in it (still not much but better), for now 100 gems gives me a pathetic 9-ish gold.

Supply & Demand sets the prices:

  • More people buy gems with gold, the ratio goes up.
  • More people sell their gems for gold, the ratio goes down.

While you are saying that 9g for 100 gems is too little, there are a tons of players out there who are saying that paying 12-13g to get 100 gems is too much. Historically, the ratio keeps going up, so you can hold onto your gems and sell them later, if you want.

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Posted by: phys.7689

phys.7689

if they really want more money, they should make the gem->gold exchange higher so ppl can buy gems with real money and get a real profit.
and if the really want to cash in, make a different kind of gems that you buy with real money so the gold->gem exchange can’t be exploited that way.

i will never ever exchange my gems, gems i bought with hard earned money, for a lousy amount of gold.
if it’s 100 gems for 100 gold then i see something good in it (still not much but better), for now 100 gems gives me a pathetic 9-ish gold.

so you think 1.25 cents is worth 9 gold? man you believe in slave wages. 9 gold an hour is above average farming money. 1.25 an hour, that you can only buy 1/6th of an item with? bad deal.

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Posted by: sorudo.9054

sorudo.9054

if they really want more money, they should make the gem->gold exchange higher so ppl can buy gems with real money and get a real profit.
and if the really want to cash in, make a different kind of gems that you buy with real money so the gold->gem exchange can’t be exploited that way.

i will never ever exchange my gems, gems i bought with hard earned money, for a lousy amount of gold.
if it’s 100 gems for 100 gold then i see something good in it (still not much but better), for now 100 gems gives me a pathetic 9-ish gold.

-snip-

-second, I dont think it is logic to buy gems to exchange them for gold, if u want gold play the game to earn it, if u want something from the gem store, buy gems, either with gold earned in-game or real money earned …in-life.

ah, so you’re saying that if i want to buy something quite expensive i need to waste about a year of farming just to get it?
the gem→gold exchange is there for a reason, with your logic they can just as much remove the whole exchange feature.
also, you’re using two standards here, it’s ok to exchange gold for gems but it’s not ok to use gems for gold.

oh and btw, when i buy gems and exchange it for gold i earn it just as much, the difference is that the exchange is screwing the real money payers and promoting the gold farmers, the one thing Anet should reverse.

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Posted by: kuittaa.7360

kuittaa.7360

i will never ever exchange my gems, gems i bought with hard earned money…

ah, so you’re saying that if i want to buy something quite expensive i need to waste about a year of farming just to get it?

oh and btw, when i buy gems and exchange it for gold i earn it just as much, the difference is that the exchange is screwing the real money payers and promoting the gold farmers, the one thing Anet should reverse.

If you never use gems -> gold anyways, why does this bother you? In any case, you can farm gold either in game, or in real life. Decision is yours.

If you think system is “promoting the gold farmers”, then why don’t you farm gold yourself in game, since it encouraged so much? However, you contradict yourself saying “i need to waste about a year”, so you also think that farming gold takes a long time.

Expensive things usually take effort to get. The type of effort varies from player to player.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Having desirable items in the Gem Shop that you can get for free with enough in game gold is all that’s needed to promote gold farming. The fact they offer gold from gems at a reduced rate discourages using gems as wealth storage or an object players could try to manipulate the price on. Offering gems to gold is to allow wealthier casual players a legitimate way to buy gold and reduce to some degree 3rd party gold dealers.

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

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if they really want more money, they should make the gem->gold exchange higher so ppl can buy gems with real money and get a real profit.
and if the really want to cash in, make a different kind of gems that you buy with real money so the gold->gem exchange can’t be exploited that way.

i will never ever exchange my gems, gems i bought with hard earned money, for a lousy amount of gold.
if it’s 100 gems for 100 gold then i see something good in it (still not much but better), for now 100 gems gives me a pathetic 9-ish gold.

good points!
one problem with giving more for gems → gold: buy 100 gems with 12g, sell 100 gems for 14g. It just wouldn’t work.
the 2nd part… that is why there is gem inflation. 99% of people that buy gems spend the gems at the gem store. very few people buy gems to trade for gold. the only way for the gold → gem price to go down is for people to sell gems for gold, which just doesn’t look attractive because of the 28% less gold for those gems. I’ve said before that the gem exchange just seems like a ripoff because of that difference (I do understand and agree with the need for the difference), but it just makes gold sellers look more legitimate because it doesn’t look like they are trying to rip you off. the gem exchange looks like it’s cheating you if you want gold for $$. there wouldn’t be gem inflation if they reduced it to a 5% or 10% price difference.

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Posted by: laokoko.7403

laokoko.7403

if they really want more money, they should make the gem->gold exchange higher so ppl can buy gems with real money and get a real profit.

They did make the gem->gold exchange higher. If you haven’t notice, it keep rising.

But I understand what your trying to say, the 28% exchange difference does look like Anet are trying to rip people off.

But I think it is necessary evil. If there is no heavy tax, gem will become a commodity player try to control price, invest money, or flip.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

…the 28% exchange difference does look like Anet are trying to rip people off.

Only if you aren’t paying attention. It’s an exact 15% fee whether you sell gems (to get gold) or sell gold (to get gems), same as anywhere else on the TP.

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Posted by: Eric.6109

Eric.6109

if they really want more money, they should make the gem->gold exchange higher so ppl can buy gems with real money and get a real profit.

They did make the gem->gold exchange higher. If you haven’t notice, it keep rising.

But I understand what your trying to say, the 28% exchange difference does look like Anet are trying to rip people off.

But I think it is necessary evil. If there is no heavy tax, gem will become a commodity player try to control price, invest money, or flip.

I though that was part of it. A player controlled currency, meaning that players could speculate and what not

a.net: I will not be buying gems with cash until you fix traits.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

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Wildstar and EVE uses player bought monthly subscription vouchers to trade for in game currency on a player market. And while in EVE a PLEX can be converted to their proxy currency at a fixed rate, you can’t directly convert their proxy currency back into a PLEX or in game currency.

GW2 is gold or cash into gems and gems into either gem shop items or gold, at a reduced rate.

WildStar is cash into CREED into either a month’s subscription or in-game currency on a player traded market.

EVE is cash into PLEX into either a month’s subscription, player service, in-game currency on a player traded market or the proxy currency at a fix rate for their item shop. And while items in their item shop can be sold for in-game currency, once you transform a PLEX into their proxy currency, there isn’t a direct way to go back.

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Posted by: azizul.8469

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it’s just like a normal stock market practice. you get less when you resell immediately.

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Posted by: brunobyof.3541

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Next year you will need to run like 15 hours on dungeons just to be able to buy a revive orb….
Yeah, ANET will become RICHER and RICHER since everyone will need to spend real money to buy revive orbs instead of buying them with gold, which will become totally unworthy

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Posted by: pdavis.8031

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One thing people keep forget, its been touched upon, is that ANET has no control over the exchange rates. They set it at the beginning and let it run its course. If you buy gems with coins, the price for gems increases, if you buy gems with cash and convert to gold, the gem price decreases. The disparity arises when more people buy gems with gold, than convert to gold. The only way to fix it would be to buy gems with cash, and convert to gold, but that would require almost the entire player base to do this and not use gold to get gems for awhile.

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Posted by: sorudo.9054

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i will never ever exchange my gems, gems i bought with hard earned money…

ah, so you’re saying that if i want to buy something quite expensive i need to waste about a year of farming just to get it?

oh and btw, when i buy gems and exchange it for gold i earn it just as much, the difference is that the exchange is screwing the real money payers and promoting the gold farmers, the one thing Anet should reverse.

If you never use gems -> gold anyways, why does this bother you? In any case, you can farm gold either in game, or in real life. Decision is yours.

read closer, i will never exchange gem->gold with this low exchange rate, i will if i get a respectable amount.
yesterday i was checking what i could get for 30 gems, just a pathetic 3g.
if i bought it with gold then i could understand but i bought the gems with real money, i would expect a bit more then such a pathetic amount.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Currently is roughly 8.8g per dollar. A year ago it was only 2.8g per dollar.

10g per dollar would mean a gold to gem rate of 17.3g for 100 gems. We haven’t broke that yet.

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Posted by: phys.7689

phys.7689

i will never ever exchange my gems, gems i bought with hard earned money…

ah, so you’re saying that if i want to buy something quite expensive i need to waste about a year of farming just to get it?

oh and btw, when i buy gems and exchange it for gold i earn it just as much, the difference is that the exchange is screwing the real money payers and promoting the gold farmers, the one thing Anet should reverse.

If you never use gems -> gold anyways, why does this bother you? In any case, you can farm gold either in game, or in real life. Decision is yours.

read closer, i will never exchange gem->gold with this low exchange rate, i will if i get a respectable amount.
yesterday i was checking what i could get for 30 gems, just a pathetic 3g.
if i bought it with gold then i could understand but i bought the gems with real money, i would expect a bit more then such a pathetic amount.

30 gems is 36 cents, would you work for 60 minutes for 72 cents? are you seriously saying that paying someone 72 cents per hour is way too much?
I personally dont understand why anyone besides master TP traders is selling gold for gems.

only explanation, is though they dont make much per hour, they dont have enough things of any value to spend gold on.

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Posted by: sorudo.9054

sorudo.9054

i will never ever exchange my gems, gems i bought with hard earned money…

ah, so you’re saying that if i want to buy something quite expensive i need to waste about a year of farming just to get it?

oh and btw, when i buy gems and exchange it for gold i earn it just as much, the difference is that the exchange is screwing the real money payers and promoting the gold farmers, the one thing Anet should reverse.

If you never use gems -> gold anyways, why does this bother you? In any case, you can farm gold either in game, or in real life. Decision is yours.

read closer, i will never exchange gem->gold with this low exchange rate, i will if i get a respectable amount.
yesterday i was checking what i could get for 30 gems, just a pathetic 3g.
if i bought it with gold then i could understand but i bought the gems with real money, i would expect a bit more then such a pathetic amount.

30 gems is 36 cents, would you work for 60 minutes for 72 cents? are you seriously saying that paying someone 72 cents per hour is way too much?
I personally dont understand why anyone besides master TP traders is selling gold for gems.

only explanation, is though they dont make much per hour, they dont have enough things of any value to spend gold on.

i dunno about you but i have more things to pay for then a game and my incomes isn’t exactly perfect, i also don’t have all the time in the world to farm my butt off just for some gold.
when i spend real money on a game, i better get my money’s worth.
also, you’re looking at dollar prices, europeans pay way more then dollars, more then VAT and euro prices combined.
try again…..

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

i dunno about you but i have more things to pay for then a game and my incomes isn’t exactly perfect, i also don’t have all the time in the world to farm my butt off just for some gold.

The game, unlike many others, allows you to buy nearly anything with your choice of gold (earned in the game) or cash (spent on gems); you can exchange the one for the other, so in effect, the game allows you the option of spending money or time. From my point of view, that’s very generous compared to most other games. (Heck, WoW still charges you a monthly fee even if you don’t play.)

If I understand you correctly, you’re suggesting that the game should also cater to people without money or time. If you can offer a constructive suggestion for how ANet might turn a profit from that, I’m sure they would consider it.

when i spend real money on a game, i better get my money’s worth.

Everyone’s definition of “money’s worth” is different. If you don’t believe you would get ten euros of entertainment from spending €10, then, of course, you shouldn’t spend it.

try again…..

I believe the ball is in your court: the system — and why it’s “fair” for the community as a whole — has been explained. What’s the alternative, that serves the need of game and its economy (including both buyers and sellers of gems)?

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Posted by: sorudo.9054

sorudo.9054

i dunno about you but i have more things to pay for then a game and my incomes isn’t exactly perfect, i also don’t have all the time in the world to farm my butt off just for some gold.

The game, unlike many others, allows you to buy nearly anything with your choice of gold (earned in the game) or cash (spent on gems); you can exchange the one for the other, so in effect, the game allows you the option of spending money or time. From my point of view, that’s very generous compared to most other games. (Heck, WoW still charges you a monthly fee even if you don’t play.)

If I understand you correctly, you’re suggesting that the game should also cater to people without money or time. If you can offer a constructive suggestion for how ANet might turn a profit from that, I’m sure they would consider it.

i already did but no one listens like always, i have given up on explaining everything for them, if they are not smart enough to think of a solution a humble player can solve then i see no hope in such a dev team.
last time ppl ignored my ideas it became clear they had better listen, i’ll give some feedback at some things but in the way things go it’s just hopeless.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

@sorudo: If you’re complaining that prices for your gems are still too low, well, just continue to be patient then. The median price for gems has only ever gone up since release. Thanks to the 2nd Anniversary sale, it’s been hitting record new heights almost every single day.

For me, my sell point was at 10g for 100 gems. I cashed out a few days ago and finally got my Emperor title in the process. I do wish I’d been a bit more patient seeing the prices now, but I won’t let myself regret it. If anything, I’ve set a new price point for myself now at 15g for 100 gems; if it gets to that point in the future, I’ll sell some more gems and buy myself some fancy new skins. (I still want Immobulus some day.)

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Posted by: LordByron.8369

LordByron.8369

few months after the game was released gems were 30 silver for 100.

Now they are almost 15 gold.

Some months ago players used to joke About the economy being so bad that gem would go to 10G for 100.

Since some players have too much gold they inves in something that will Always be useful and Always increase.

I have many doubts this economy is healthy….but i don t have a degree in economy.
But its all about semantics.

Because i can say for most players its just awful.

P.S: i Always supported games i like except the ones i found using non ethical systems.
“Vote with your wallet” is good for me…

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Posted by: Southern.8973

Southern.8973

i dunno about you but i have more things to pay for then a game and my incomes isn’t exactly perfect, i also don’t have all the time in the world to farm my butt off just for some gold.

The game, unlike many others, allows you to buy nearly anything with your choice of gold (earned in the game) or cash (spent on gems); you can exchange the one for the other, so in effect, the game allows you the option of spending money or time. From my point of view, that’s very generous compared to most other games. (Heck, WoW still charges you a monthly fee even if you don’t play.)

If I understand you correctly, you’re suggesting that the game should also cater to people without money or time. If you can offer a constructive suggestion for how ANet might turn a profit from that, I’m sure they would consider it.

when i spend real money on a game, i better get my money’s worth.

Everyone’s definition of “money’s worth” is different. If you don’t believe you would get ten euros of entertainment from spending €10, then, of course, you shouldn’t spend it.

try again…..

I believe the ball is in your court: the system — and why it’s “fair” for the community as a whole — has been explained. What’s the alternative, that serves the need of game and its economy (including both buyers and sellers of gems)?

I always find it fascinating that the same people who won’t spend $10 on Gems→Gold (and would rather farm for ~15 hours to make the equivalent gold) have absolutely NO problem paying $10 (or more) to go see the latest 90-minute “Batman” movie. I guarantee you they wouldn’t work for the Movie Theater for 15 hours @ 75¢ an hour just to be able to see a movie.

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Illconceived Was Na.9781

read closer, i will never exchange gem->gold with this low exchange rate, i will if i get a respectable amount.
yesterday i was checking what i could get for 30 gems, just a pathetic 3g.
if i bought it with gold then i could understand but i bought the gems with real money, i would expect a bit more then such a pathetic amount.

few months after the game was released gems were 30 silver for 100.

Now they are almost 15 gold.

See: Byron is complaining that 15g/100 gems is too much and sorudo thinks it’s too little. Which of these viewpoints represents the community? Both? Neither?

The economy has to be designed in such a way that both interests are addressed and, in my opinion, the global exchange is a great way to do that. Too many people like me who are too cheap to spend cash on gems: the ratio goes up up up, which is good for Sorudo, but bad for Byron. Tons of people (like a few of my friends) spending cash to convert to gold, the ratio goes down; Byron will love it and Sorudo will be disappointed.

In this way, the community is always the primary factor affecting the ratio. (And it helps a lot to combat inflation that there’s a 15% fee attached in both direction.)

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

few months after the game was released gems were 30 silver for 100.

Ha!

I say again.

Ha!

It was over 30s 5 days after the exchange went live. Over 40s in 22 days and over 50s in 30 days. At two months it was 78s per 100 gems. At three months it was 2g per 100 gems.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

few months after the game was released gems were 30 silver for 100.

Ha!

I say again.

Ha!

It was over 30s 5 days after the exchange went live. Over 40s in 22 days and over 50s in 30 days. At two months it was 78s per 100 gems. At three months it was 2g per 100 gems.

Not only that, but I didn’t have 30s across all my characters during the first days after the exchange went live. If I did, it usually got spent on trait manuals. Leveling five toons at once was very expensive.

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Posted by: sorudo.9054

sorudo.9054

i dunno about you but i have more things to pay for then a game and my incomes isn’t exactly perfect, i also don’t have all the time in the world to farm my butt off just for some gold.

The game, unlike many others, allows you to buy nearly anything with your choice of gold (earned in the game) or cash (spent on gems); you can exchange the one for the other, so in effect, the game allows you the option of spending money or time. From my point of view, that’s very generous compared to most other games. (Heck, WoW still charges you a monthly fee even if you don’t play.)

If I understand you correctly, you’re suggesting that the game should also cater to people without money or time. If you can offer a constructive suggestion for how ANet might turn a profit from that, I’m sure they would consider it.

when i spend real money on a game, i better get my money’s worth.

Everyone’s definition of “money’s worth” is different. If you don’t believe you would get ten euros of entertainment from spending €10, then, of course, you shouldn’t spend it.

try again…..

I believe the ball is in your court: the system — and why it’s “fair” for the community as a whole — has been explained. What’s the alternative, that serves the need of game and its economy (including both buyers and sellers of gems)?

I always find it fascinating that the same people who won’t spend $10 on Gems->Gold (and would rather farm for ~15 hours to make the equivalent gold) have absolutely NO problem paying $10 (or more) to go see the latest 90-minute “Batman” movie. I guarantee you they wouldn’t work for the Movie Theater for 15 hours @ 75¢ an hour just to be able to see a movie.

funny, i do nether, fascinating indeed……-_- (really, a adult guy in a rubber suit running around with a boy……what kind of sick mind likes that……)

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Posted by: pdavis.8031

pdavis.8031

i dunno about you but i have more things to pay for then a game and my incomes isn’t exactly perfect, i also don’t have all the time in the world to farm my butt off just for some gold.

The game, unlike many others, allows you to buy nearly anything with your choice of gold (earned in the game) or cash (spent on gems); you can exchange the one for the other, so in effect, the game allows you the option of spending money or time. From my point of view, that’s very generous compared to most other games. (Heck, WoW still charges you a monthly fee even if you don’t play.)

If I understand you correctly, you’re suggesting that the game should also cater to people without money or time. If you can offer a constructive suggestion for how ANet might turn a profit from that, I’m sure they would consider it.

when i spend real money on a game, i better get my money’s worth.

Everyone’s definition of “money’s worth” is different. If you don’t believe you would get ten euros of entertainment from spending €10, then, of course, you shouldn’t spend it.

try again…..

I believe the ball is in your court: the system — and why it’s “fair” for the community as a whole — has been explained. What’s the alternative, that serves the need of game and its economy (including both buyers and sellers of gems)?

I always find it fascinating that the same people who won’t spend $10 on Gems->Gold (and would rather farm for ~15 hours to make the equivalent gold) have absolutely NO problem paying $10 (or more) to go see the latest 90-minute “Batman” movie. I guarantee you they wouldn’t work for the Movie Theater for 15 hours @ 75¢ an hour just to be able to see a movie.

funny, i do nether, fascinating indeed……-_- (really, a adult guy in a rubber suit running around with a boy……what kind of sick mind likes that……)

Jeff Dunham much? :P

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