Guild Wars 2

Hello,

sorry for my english first.

Today the gems price is really really high (1g = 107 gems).

On the store you can buy 100 gems for ~1 euro.
So atm ~1 euro = ~100 gems = ~1 gold

If I want to spend 50 euros in this game I get ~5k gems or ~50 golds.
FYI 5k gems is ~55 Black Lion Keys.

Now, I took a random goldseller website and there the prices:
50 euros = ~150 gold = ~15k gems
15k gems is ~165 Black Lion Keys.

Now some history…
1-2 weeks before the Halloween event 1g = ~150 gems
During the halloween event 1g = ~100-120 gems

I never bought to GS, and I never bought to ANet. I really would buy some golds to ANet but the prices are really too high and I don’t want to be scammed.

My question is, do you plan to reduce the gems prices to prevent players from buying
golds to goldseller or will you continue to increase the prices pushing players to go on goldsellers store ?

Thanks for awnser.

You’ve left time out of the equation.

The ability of players to earn in game gold is only limited by their time to play.

For some of us, our time to play is very limited because we work a lot – so Anet has created a way for us to trade money we created in the real world (by trading time for money) for money in the game.

Making gems less valuable may help you, but it hurts people who buy gems with real money and since this is a great source of revenue for Anet, I don’t see any incentive for them to do so.

You would be shocked if I told you how many gems I’ve purchased and I would buy a lot more if the exchange rate were better.

Thanks for your awnser.

“[…] and I would buy a lot more if the exchange rate were better.”

It’s exactly why I’m complaining, ATM I gave 0 euro to ANet because the rate isn’t good, with a better rate I would spend some money on the shop.

I understand ANet making profit with this system, and because they make profit they can make really nice event like the Halloween one.

But don’t you thing they could make more profit if they do a better rate ? How many players goes for goldseller instead of ANet shop because of the rate ?

The exchange rate does need work.. I have been pouring some of my extra cash into gems and getting a 1/4 of what I would get at the outside gold sellers…

The only reason I havent bought from these other companies is that Im afraid ill get banned. But Anet would definitely profit from making the exchange rate better.

Simple way to keep people from going to the RMT’s and buying gold, instead of useing the in-game Gem -> Gold system, would be to flat ban not only the accounts, but also the CC’s used to set up that particular account (and blacklist the name/address/ect, all the personal stuff A.Net is able to see that we fill out when we set up our accounts) associated with the account when someone is caught recieving gold from gold-sellers or such.

Make it so that people who participate in the RMT’s scams are literaly unable to ever play the game again.

Once a few hundred people are blacklisted, the rest will stop.

but do you think the exchange rate of black lion is reasonable and justified? why should i pay more to get that measly amount of gold?

(disclaimer (in before i get suspended AGAIN for my views): i don’t endorse buying from gold sellers. i never bought from them. i’m just saying that the bltc’s gem to gold conversion rate is ridiculous)

Not this again! You feeling the Price of goods from a legit business is not a EXCUSE to buy at 3rd party.

Your post does the same as all these posts about the same topic its sad really sad. Your post basically says the price of gems and gold currently on the TP is forcing people to go 3rd party. Well that i what your implying in your post.

Those people are weak people and they also don’t care about a high chance of identity theft, and their accounts hacked.

I just dont get what is so hard to understand about the risks of going 3rd party. Its obvious!! There was a guy who posted that his legendaries and all his gold went missing he logged in naked.

People started asking him if he went 3rd party. That post is totally gone now which is kind of strange. Its out there so if you value your credit card and your personal identity then dont go 3rd party is freaking simple.

Yes I’m caps lock.

WHY RISK IDENTITY THEFT FOR A SKIN TO LOOK COOL IN GAME? that makes no sense to me. Regardless of your opinion on the prices of gems its not worth.

“Your post basically says the price of gems and gold currently on the TP is forcing people to go 3rd party. Well that i what your implying in your post.”

I can’t tell ANet exchange rate pushing peoples to buy to goldseller if I don’t show an exemple. But the question isn’t here, the question is will ANet do something to prevent peoples to try to find better prices on internet ?

The rate is incredibly high, ANet politic against goldseller is not good because of this. They can ban hundreds of GS in-game but if they keep a rate so high peoples will not buy Gold/Gems to ANet but to GS.

Players aren’t tools, they don’t need me or my post to find goldsellers and we all know GS prices will always better than official prices. Tons of peoples don’t want to buy to GS because is not legit, but it’s also the same peoples don’t want to buy to ANet because the prices are too expensive. GS & ANet will never see my money for those reasons.

Nice to have differant PoV, thank for awnsering, I hope someone from ANet also will.

Okay, the price of gold → gems is very similar to the price of gems → gold (there’s a trading fee taken out, but they change at the same rate).

Pick one:

1. gold → gems is expensive so one gold gives very few gems.
2. gold → gems is cheap so 100 gems gives a lot of gold.

Obviously, it can’t be profitable to buy 100 gems, trade it for gold, and then trade it for more gems than you started with, all at once, because that would be an exploit and people would quickly get infinite gold, which would destroy the economy and basically destroy the value of the currency.

So which do you want?

Do you want 1 gold to give very few gems, so it’s more expensive for players who don’t use real money to buy things from the black lion shop?

Or do you want 1 gold to give a lot of gems, so it’s more expensive for players to pay ANET real money to get gems that they can then trade for gold to buy things from the TP?

You can not have both.

Anet gem price = legit no risk

3rd party GS = possibly all my ingame money, and my credit report, and my real life money ruined, gone, stolen.

Its not Anet job to teach people about the risks of other sites people need to educate themselves. You do realize Anet can’t stop someone from spending money at Footlocker right? Same applies to 3rd party they can ban you. That is their place they are not internet police.

If someone seeks 3rd party and knows the risks then that is not anets fault thats the individual persons fault.

There is no valid argument that can be made to say Arena Net is doing x forcing people to go 3rd party. There just isnt one no matter how anyone tries to twist it.

The game design even has it covered because its cosmetic for the but people forget that. There is nothing in the game that says you have to have alot of GOLD to play. Again another example of someone thinking they have to have alot of gold to do anything in this game. Please show me that on a map which dungeon that is? Which DE requires gold?

If you go with legendaries I point you to Ghastly Great sword it glows blue and has same stats as Twilight, Dawn. Its also free to go into costs no gold at all.

A: Make gold account bound.

A good way to dampen RMT is to make gold work similar to gems, karma, badges, etc. That is, make gold account bound and usable only in trade through the TP or NPCs. To be honest, I have never given, or received, gold from another player. We often exchange materials or crafted items; especially rare or better items that end up being soul-bound, anyway.

Gold could be prevented for trade between players and not affect my friends or I in the least.

I sold a mystic weapon to this guy. I priced it so it was cheaper than the ones on TP so he won, and I didn’t have to pay any taxes so I still got more money than if I had posted it on the tp, so we both won.

My question is, do you plan to reduce the gems prices to prevent players from buying
golds to goldseller or will you continue to increase the prices pushing players to go on goldsellers store ?

Why should Anet change the gold exchange rate (which is driven by players supply and demand) so you or anyone else do not violate the TOS that you agreed to comply with when you bought the game?

If you or anyone else feels “forced” :rolleyes: to buy from a GS then by all means do so, violate the TOS that you agreed to and get banned when you are discovered.

I really hope every time you want something it is something that you can afford. It would be really sad if you are “forced” to steal because the price is too high and you were left with no choice.

If you would lower the price for gems, there would be more gold in the market.
This would result in higher prices making gold less valuable → same issue, just higher numbers.
The value of gold is controlled by supply an demand of the market – not the gem price.
The gem price derives from the amount of gold in the world, not the other way around.

Anchoku.8142:

A: Make gold account bound.

A good way to dampen RMT is to make gold work similar to gems, karma, badges, etc. That is, make gold account bound and usable only in trade through the TP or NPCs. To be honest, I have never given, or received, gold from another player. We often exchange materials or crafted items; especially rare or better items that end up being soul-bound, anyway.

Gold could be prevented for trade between players and not affect my friends or I in the least.

I don’t know how much you WvW but we sometimes chip in for the siege equipment. We have a guild bank but when our WvW branch (yes its a large guild 2 branches) is out and we are all over the map someone that doesn’t have the access to withdraw from bank is back by the siege master we mail him money to get him the equipment. There are reasons to mail gold in this game that is just 1 scenario. I know another guy said he mails it to his wife or daughter.

It’s a game

Game which for very little money you can have a items with the same stats as the ones going for 300g . Nothing you buy will make you any better of a player then the next guy . Having lots money is pointless in this game . Which is the best move any MMO company has ever made .No more being lock out of a game because you don’t have the money or the time as the guys who play 24/7 to gear up.

My 1.5 g short bow has the same stats as that 300 g shortbow bow You guys can have all the money I’m going to spend some time with my wife .

ArenaNet can’t really reduce the price of gold. It’s controlled by them to some extent but not completely. The gem > gold conversion rate and vice versa is determined by player supply and demand. So as you stated, because people wanted gems during Halloween for various gem store things, more people exchanged gold for gems. Gems were in high demand, so it cost more gold to get X number of gems than outside the Halloween period because many people were buying gems.

As for buying from third-party sites, it is against ArenaNet’s TOS, so you do it at your own risk. This argument has been brought up many times before and the response is going to be the same. You can support your favourite bands by paying for their music or you can download their songs from the internet for free. You can support ArenaNet and help them pay their staff and other overhead costs associated with running a business, develop games and bring out new content for existing games or you can buy from gold farmers and use the farmed gold to inflate the economy. Know that as long as there is demand for gold from these third party sites, there will be an increasing number of hackers and bots who farm the gold to sell it to you.

No one can stop you from going out there to buy gold from gold farmers. But know the risks you are taking if you decide to do so, and be aware that what you are doing has a negative consequence on the company that made the game, on the game’s economy and on the other players who are trying to play the game but are not having a good time because of all the bots they encounter.

“ArenaNet can’t really reduce the price of gold. It’s controlled by them to some extent but not completely. The gem > gold conversion rate and vice versa is determined by player supply and demand. So as you stated, because people wanted gems during Halloween for various gem store things, more people exchanged gold for gems. Gems were in high demand, so it cost more gold to get X number of gems than outside the Halloween period because many people were buying gems.”

I’m fully agree with you and with some posts upper.

It’s like a vicious circle.

My conclusion after reading you all is more peoples buy to goldsellers, more the gem price increase. And more the gem price increase, more players are tempted to buy to GS.

The question isn’t if it’s better to buy golds to ANet or to GS, the question now is: will ANet continue to penalise legit players because somes buying to GS ?

I understand there is lots of maths behind the gems system to keep the market balanced.

But the fact is I wont give an euro to ANet because the rate is laughable, if they make fair rate a day I’ll give money. I feel like lots of players don’t spend money in the game for this reason.

If it’s 100 euros to go A → B by train and if it’s 80 euros by car, I’ll take my car. The train company will make a profit of 0 euro on me, if they reduce price of 20 euros I’ll take the train and they will gain 80 euros on me.

chtiyonki.6284:

“ArenaNet can’t really reduce the price of gold. It’s controlled by them to some extent but not completely. The gem > gold conversion rate and vice versa is determined by player supply and demand. So as you stated, because people wanted gems during Halloween for various gem store things, more people exchanged gold for gems. Gems were in high demand, so it cost more gold to get X number of gems than outside the Halloween period because many people were buying gems.”

I’m fully agree with you and with some posts upper.

It’s like a vicious circle.

My conclusion after reading you all is more peoples buy to goldsellers, more the gem price increase. And more the gem price increase, more players are tempted to buy to GS.

The question isn’t if it’s better to buy golds to ANet or to GS, the question now is: will ANet continue to penalise legit players because somes buying to GS ?

I understand there is lots of maths behind the gems system to keep the market balanced.

But the fact is I wont give an euro to ANet because the rate is laughable, if they make fair rate a day I’ll give money. I feel like lots of players don’t spend money in the game for this reason.

If it’s 100 euros to go A -> B by train and if it’s 80 euros by car, I’ll take my car. The train company will make a profit of 0 euro on me, if they reduce price of 20 euros I’ll take the train and they will gain 80 euros on me.

Stop being impatient is there anything at all you have to have right now? Im pretty sure when they start doing updates to prepare for new content there will be alot of banning going on. Just wait.

Do they ban the buyer? If not, they should certainly ban the buyer. Do that with no exceptions or takebacks for a while and people will think twice about buying it from shady sources instead of going the gem route.

I’m one of those who works alot and has alot of disposable income and little time to play. So I do probably spend abit more than the regular customer on Gems for things.

The way I see it is this. I pay abit more to Anet for some gold and that money is put towards Anet employees who make this game better and hopefully will provide us with lots of fun expansions and improvements. Not to mention, it keeps people with real jobs employed and less bots ruining my gaming experience.

No, cash-for-gems rate does not “force” people to go to 3rd-parties. It forces the 3rd-parties to lower their prices for their illegal stuff. Illegal goods are always cheaper than the same thing purchased legally, whether in real life or in a game.

ANet has no incentive to lower their rates. In fact, it’s more important to keep them stable, because stability causes the market to an equilibrium. When at equilibrium, they will have an easier time finding the real-money traders (RMTs) and ban them. Oh, and their customers get banned, too.

Is it worth the risk for you to buy 20 euro worth of gold and then lose your 50 euro investment in the game itself?

Furthermore, since ANet is now in “competition” with these 3rd-parties, they can go after them in REAL courts of law. After all, RMTs are stealing from the game for a real-world profit.

Just don’t do it. Accept the in-game rates as being the correct ones. And let ANet ban somebody ELSE for RMTrading.

lcpdragonslayer.7895:

ArenaNet can’t really reduce the price of gold. It’s controlled by them to some extent but not completely.

This is not true.

Anet and Anet alone sets the gem-to-gold and gold-to-gem prices. You do not buy gems from other players, you buy them from Anet. and you do not sell gems to other players, you sell them to Anet.

They can set the price to a fixed price 1-100. They can set the price depending on how much total gold there is in the game, to take more gold out of it. They can set the price to a carefully determined amount by their marketing departement to make as much $$$ as possible.

And sure, they can add player demand in it. But there is absolutely no transparancy at all.

There is no way for you or for me to change the price of gems, they are exclusively decided by Anet.

Yeah but similarly there is no way for you or me to change the exchange rate between the American Dollar and the New Zealand Dollar. Nevertheless the exchange rate is not completely controlled by either governments. One party can print more money and use other tactics to artificially inflate or deflate the economy, but at the end of the day it is the masses who determine what the exchange rate is.

That’s why I said that ArenaNet can control gem > gold conversion rates to some extent, but it cannot be completely controlled by them. Otherwise there is no need for a semi-free market. The reason you are able to buy gems for gold is not because ArenaNet is giving away free gems for a goldsink service; it’s because there are people who pay real money for gems and convert to gold. The supply is there.

To the original poster: saying penalising ‘legitimate’ players for using goldseller services doesn’t make sense, because buying gold from a goldseller means that the player is no longer legitimate.

What I really want to address is this: “My conclusion after reading you all is more peoples buy to goldsellers, more the gem price increase. And more the gem price increase, more players are tempted to buy to GS.” I hope my explanation will help you understand.

Let’s have an imaginary scenario where everyone uses goldseller services so everyone has 1000g in their bank. Well, Christmas event is coming up and I want gems to buy that awesome Santa Quaggan costume that costs 750 gems. I will now convert some of my 1000g to 750 gems to buy that costume – that’s cheaper than buying 750 gems directly from ArenaNet, right?

That’s fine if 100 people do it. But let’s say 1000 people do that. What happens? The exchange rate will adjust because a lot of gems are coming out and a lot of gold is going in. Just like the Halloween event, the rate will go up, so instead of 1g = 150 gems, we end up with 1g = 50 gems. So the price of your 750 gem costume is not 5g, it is 15g. The price of gems has just tripled.

So now I come along and I look at the exchange rate and I’m like OMG AWESOME. Now I can buy 3g with 150 gems instead of just 1g. Why should I buy from goldsellers when I have such an awesome exchange rate in the game itself? I’m just going to buy gems to convert to gold. The ‘temptation’ to use goldseller services is only ‘tempting’ if they sell gold for much, much lower $$$ than the gem > gold conversion. Every time you buy gold from a goldseller to convert to gems, the rate adjusts so that it becomes more and more viable to buy gems.

What will happen in the long run is of course inflation. Last time 150 gems = 1g. Now 150 gems = 3g. More people are willing to pay real money for virtual currency and as they keep converting gems to gold, the prices on the trading post will eventually, under this scenario, triple because gold is worth 1/3 of what it used to be worth.

“To the original poster: saying penalising ‘legitimate’ players for using goldseller services doesn’t make sense, because buying gold from a goldseller means that the player is no longer legitimate.”

Hi !

I think it’s a misunderstood, sorry for my english.

What I say is, if the market isn’t complety controlled by ANet, each time a guy using a GS to fill up his wallet it’s penalising legit players. It’s like buying shoes on the blackmarket IRL => you don’t give money to companies making shoes => compagnies need money so they increase prices when they can or they wont take a new employee because they lack of money for it, ect… (it’s just a kitten exemple :p)

An exemple to be clear:
– someone buy 500g to a goldseller.
– he will convert 250g in gems and spend 250g to play on the TP making even more money.
– as we saw during the event and also on the game release: more the gems demand is high, more the rate increase (same amount of gold for less gems).
– So ANet just lost a profit on a player because rates are kitten high and this guys prefered buy to GS and he increased the rate not in favor of legit player.

Gems seem to have like a virtual supplie. I’m not sure but it seem work this way.

Can someone from ANet clarify ?

fyi: today 1g = 125gems, yesturday it was 110gems. Last time I saw 1g for 150gems was 2 weeks before the halloween event.

I wonder how badly Mexican players are getting screwed since they use the peso.

(Not meant to be offensive, I’m curious)

chtiyonki.6284:

- as we saw during the event and also on the game release: more the gems demand is high, more the rate increase (same amount of gold for less gems).

Important thing to point out that I think you’re missing: when the same amount of gold converts into less gems, that also means that the same amount of gems convert into more gold, which means that buying gold legit through ANet just got cheaper and more competitive when compared to 3rd party gold sellers.

That being said, as long as 3rd party gold sellers exists they’ll be cheaper than ANet. The problem isn’t that their prices are favorable. The problem is that they exist at all.

The way to stop players from buying gold from goldsellers is to temporarily ban them for doing it and to remove the gold that they bought from their character.

This means that if a player bought 150 gold from a goldseller then they have that 150g removed from their balance. If the player used that gold already to buy stuff just drop their account balance below 0.

EG, SillyPlayer buys 150g and spends 100g on armor. ArenaNet discovers SillyPlayer bought 150 gold. ArenaNet subtracts 150 gold from SillyPlayer and issues a warning and / or temporary ban. SillyPlayer now has NEGATIVE 100g and has to either work towards getting it back (in the meantime they can’t use any of the in-game services like waypoints or posting items on the trading house) or buy gems properly and convert them to gold.

At the same time, ban the goldsellers permanently.

@whiran you obviously didn’t read the op at all. These forums I swear lol.

oZii.2864:

@whiran you obviously didn’t read the op at all. These forums I swear lol.

I read it but I figured I’d answer the question being asked in the title.

But without goldsellers I wouldn’t hear from my friends Kjsdfkja, Ufijakjdfx, and his little brother Oiuoalskjdfkjlx in the mail every morning.

I suggest they create a Loyalty Counter. Anyone buying gems from ANet directly gets those gems counted on their Loyalty Counter. As the counter goes up they receive bonus items.

This may get people to buy gems from ANet directly over buying gold from gold sellers, which I think currently is worth 4 times as much when converting the illicit purchased gold.

For me it is simple change how to get a precusor or legendary. That now is one of the biggest sinks and Anet chooses to enable to gold sellers. So until that demand is satiated dont expect the botters to go away. Since they offer at a reasonable rate compared to anet they will always have a steady supply of customers.
TLDR: Anet keeps enabling gold selling by precusors the biggest $ sink right now.

John, when a game creates lottery based systems which entail risk/reward purchasing does that then not enspouse players into further risk/reward purchasing from gold sellers?

He is talking about the abysmal drop rate and unfeasible prices of the precursors John, not the currency exchange.

What he meant is that most precursors are sitting on 250+ gold. And if you want it, you have 2 options. Grind your life out for the money or play lottery in the forge. If you pay a visit to the crafting legendary topic, you would know that the house always wins in gambling.

So what’s option do we have left? Buying from the TP. And what people will do in the most circumstances after seeing the prices? Buy from gold sellers. At least those that have jobs and can’t play 12 hours per day.

People are cornered John. They don’t see a reasonable choice to get said weapons, so they rely on gold sellers.

And Narkosys is right. There are already a few gold sellers site specialized in legendary precursors. And they have the necessary investment to manipulate and control the limited market. It is currently the only big gold sink of the game.

Yeah, gold just doesn’t seem to flow as much as the game demands it. It costs too much to buy Black Lion keys. It costs too much to use Waypoints at level 80. My level 80 character has only 24 gold, and yet it would cost 56 gold for me to buy enough gems on the marketplace to open all the Black Lion chests I’ve accumulated, and unless I were extremely lucky, the contents of those chests would never be worth the $50+ that it would cost me in real USD to get that amount of gems via cash.

I get that you don’t like gold sellers, I certainly wouldn’t want to deal with them either, and report them whenever they spam chat or send me a mail, but the other posts have a point in that the current economy is a bit unfair to the players, and prices many things well out of reach of people who play by the rules and aren’t hardcore goldfarmers themselves.

Guys, Guys.

Years ago, I bought gold in World of Warcraft from an RMT group. Because back then, it really was a case of gold farmers playing the game day and night to grind gold, and sell it. That, back then, felt somewhat justified. I had money and no time, they had time and no money. It was against the rules, but I have never been one to follow rules for rules sake. And hey, I was keeping some Chinese guys in a job that was safe, warm and reasonably well paid.

I can get behind that idea a little bit, and I understand the people who feel like the RMT company’s might be a Robin Hood type character (With John Smith playing the roll of the Sheriff of Nottingham)

But, life isn’t like that any more. I don’t know if the traditional hand farming method cant turn a profit any more, or if the RMT company’s just got greedy. But the fact is, they arnt gold farmers any more, they are gold muggers. Were you guys not around at launch when 1000’s off accounts were subject to constant attempts at compromise from China. I cirtainly got emails saying “Somone in China has your password and wants to log in, should we let them” (I now use the mobile authenticator, you should too). When you buy gold from the BLTC, you have the privalage of knowing your gold did not come from someone elses misery. That’s principally why I dont buy from gold farmers, I’ts actually immoral.

@John/Anet in general Have you considered incentiviseing peaple to use the excellent mobile authenticator? Free Mini pet or item skin? (I realise, haveing to bribe peaple to help themselves seems stupid) If you stop the account theft, they would have to go back to hand farming, which is less profitable, and RMT prices would rise to something near partiy with BLTC anyway.

John Smith.4610:

Narkosys.5173:

For me it is simple change how to get a precusor or legendary. That now is one of the biggest sinks and Anet chooses to enable to gold sellers. So until that demand is satiated dont expect the botters to go away. Since they offer at a reasonable rate compared to anet they will always have a steady supply of customers.
TLDR: Anet keeps enabling gold selling by precusors the biggest $ sink right now.

I think you may be a bit confused, nothing here is true. Try to think of the game a whole for all players.

SO you say that people who have legendaries didnt buy gold from goldsellers or exploit? I dont believe that for one sec. And from what I have seen the mystic forge removes a ton of gold and items from the economy every sec of every day. I am not privy to your information mind you.
I am curious tho

Actually narko, most people that have a legendary now most likely played the TP since the release or were alpha players(and some cases squeezed money and donations from their guildies, i know 5 that did that).

In matter of fact, the first legendary was made by an alpha player, so he knew the prices would rise. But now…everything that made money on the TP was already exploited and abused to back and hell.

So unless you have a good income, there is nothing much you can do on the TP.

Narkosys.5173:

John Smith.4610:

Narkosys.5173:

For me it is simple change how to get a precusor or legendary. That now is one of the biggest sinks and Anet chooses to enable to gold sellers. So until that demand is satiated dont expect the botters to go away. Since they offer at a reasonable rate compared to anet they will always have a steady supply of customers.
TLDR: Anet keeps enabling gold selling by precusors the biggest $ sink right now.

I think you may be a bit confused, nothing here is true. Try to think of the game a whole for all players.

SO you say that people who have legendaries didnt buy gold from goldsellers or exploit? I dont believe that for one sec. And from what I have seen the mystic forge removes a ton of gold and items from the economy every sec of every day. I am not privy to your information mind you.
I am curious tho

You do know dusk use to be like 20g (valued to low).

Lets say dusk stayed at 20g and every other precursor was 20g everyone would have one. The price for materials to craft would also be low. Only thing that would take time is karma.

Narkosys.5173:

SO you say that people who have legendaries didnt buy gold from goldsellers or exploit? I dont believe that for one sec. And from what I have seen the mystic forge removes a ton of gold and items from the economy every sec of every day. I am not privy to your information mind you.
I am curious tho

1.) What exploit? Throwing the word “exploit” around is like how ancient civilizations explained simple things by calling them “magic”. Sun rises? Magic. Fire caused from sparks? Magic. People have legendary weapons? Exploit.

2.) I’m going for a Legendary myself and I’ve talked with a number of people who have Legendaries. It seems most of them made loads of money early in the game by farming certain materials people didn’t know how to get, or by buying many items early that rose exponentially in price.

The exploits he is talking about was the whole fiasco with the karma weapons costing only 23 karma and the godskulls exploit which rewarded very high chances for a dusk/twilight.

What arenanet did? They asked people to delete their items, more than 5000. Well they were permanently banned at first, but only end up with a slap on the wrist with 3 days ban later. Hard to believe arenanet monitored everyone to make sure they deleted all the crap. After all this chaos, we got the mystic forge nerf in attempt to not devalue the precursors prices.

I think part of the reason people are pissed, a lot of illicit gold is screwing up the market for legit players.

While people purchasing the illicit gold get 4 times their monies value, those that are actually trying to help your company stay afloat are getting the finger.

Nebilim.5127:

The exploits he is talking about was the whole fiasco with the karma weapons costing only 23 karma and the godskulls exploit which rewarded very high chances for a dusk/twilight.

What arenanet did? They asked people to delete their items, more than 5000. Well they were permanently banned at first, but only end up with a slap on the wrist with 3 days ban later. Hard to believe arenanet monitored everyone to make sure they deleted all the crap. After all this chaos, we got the mystic forge nerf in attempt to not devalue the precursors prices.

Most people know about this. That was a while ago. I’d be willing to bet all the dusks/dawns from the godskull thing have been sold already. They where like 250g when that happened. The one guy said he bought 9 and Im pretty sure nine have been sold since then.

I think what we should do is report everyone that has a legendary that we can ban them all cause there is no way they have that much money. o.O

So if you really feel(cause you have no evidence) they exploited you should report them. Submit a ticket stand by your convictions.

chtiyonki.6284:

On the store you can buy 100 gems for ~1 euro.
So atm ~1 euro = ~100 gems = ~1 gold

Now, I took a random goldseller website and there the prices:
50 euros = ~150 gold = ~15k gems

I think something to keep in mind is that the 50 euro price tag isn’t the only cost involved.

That 150 gold actually costs 50 euros + the risk of having your account banned + the risk of having the goldseller use your credit card info to buy a dozen accounts to run bots on.

When you look at it like that I would have to say that buying gems from arenanet is the better deal.

Vilkata.4725:

chtiyonki.6284:

On the store you can buy 100 gems for ~1 euro.
So atm ~1 euro = ~100 gems = ~1 gold

Now, I took a random goldseller website and there the prices:
50 euros = ~150 gold = ~15k gems

I think something to keep in mind is that the 50 euro price tag isn’t the only cost involved.

That 150 gold actually costs 50 euros + the risk of having your account banned + the risk of having the goldseller use your credit card info to buy a dozen accounts to run bots on.

When you look at it like that I would have to say that buying gems from arenanet is the better deal.

you can actually use a prepaid credit card for added security.

Though having your account banned is an issue, what you are really doing is not supporting ANet and GW2.

John Smith.4610:

Tallis.5607:

There is no way for you or for me to change the price of gems, they are exclusively decided by Anet.

False. Anyone watching the exchange rate relative to the the many factors that induce supply or demand will see an extremely simple pattern that shows that the price of Gems and Gold is in fact controlled by player demand and is pretty volatile as one might expect from a system.

I’d also encourage everyone to read my previous post about the damage of goldsellers.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Gold-sellers-vs-BLTC/first#post581941

Hi,

thank for your awnser, even if it’s not awnsering my question.

If I understand, I was true telling the rate depend of the players demand.

So, we are still in a vicious loop:

1 -> rate is aweful
2 -> because of this lots of players are tempted to buy to goldseller
3 -> thoses no legit players will invest in gems making the rate more aweful
4 -> so legit players suffer of this rate because of no-legit players
5 -> this making those legit player tempted to buy to goldseller
6 -> making the rate again more aweful
7 -> go back to 1

It’s unfair for us.

I really would an awsner: will you do something to protect legit players or continue to keep this way ?

I think you guys from ANet losing a lot of money from legit players, not because they buying golds to GS, but because they don’t want to buy gold to you because of this rate.