I noticed last night about a dozen players trying to sell Legendaries via the Open World section of the LFG tool. They claimed that this was a perfectly reasonable use of the tool, but to my mind, it should be used for finding adventuring groups, not for commerce. Is there an official stance on people using the LFG tool (or map chat, for that matter) to try and bypass the TP?
I agree with you. The LFG tool is not a grey market tool.
They might be there awhile.
tax evasion is a federal crime in most countries
we must imprison these felons!
tax evasion is a federal crime in most countries
we must imprison these felons!
Lore wise, they’re only evading Evon, and he’s just a merchant. That’s like saying I should go to jail for selling trading video games with my friend and not with GameStop. However, I hope this doesn’t catch on, because I like using the LFG for finding groups.
Maybe they thought it’s “Looking for Greatswords?”
Ok, so hopefully reporting them for “abuse of the LFG tool” should find results.
Maybe they thought it’s “Looking for Greatswords?”
Looking For Gold, more likely.
tax evasion is a federal crime in most countries
we must imprison these felons!
Unfortunately Tyria’s economy is not based off of the BLTC (remember we had the Consortium?)
I therefore propose a separate vehicle that encourages low taxes (1%)
We shall call it
The Quaggans Purse
Ok, so hopefully reporting them for “abuse of the LFG tool” should find results.
I now have a new hobby.
I agree with you. The LFG tool is not a grey market tool.
I would say it should be common sense that the looking-for-group tool is not an official means for players to trade.
I would like something cleared up about the mail system. I’m assuming it too is a “grey market” but I have had conflicting reports in game and on the forums. Some say it’s against the rules to use the in game mail to buy/sell items but I looked at all of the legal documentation on the GW2 website and couldn’t see anything close to being specific about it. Others have said it’s not against the rules to use the in game mail for player trading.
Either way there is a risk of somebody getting scammed when using the mail system to buy/sell items. But, it is a rules violation to do so?
Personally I’ve only used the trading post and even if there were other authorized ways to trade such as face-to-face I would still use the TP. It’s quicker, easier, and I don’t have to spend hours trying to buy/sell something in chat until I get a price I think is fair.
Personally I would report players trying to use the LFG tool for advertising items for sale or trying to buy them as potential bots, or at the very least for abuse of the system. I would also report players for advertising the buying/selling of items using the in game mail system also. Using the LFG tool to trade involves having to use the mail system to complete the trade. So, yeah. Best to play it safe and stick with the trading post.
I agree with you. The LFG tool is not a grey market tool.
I would say it should be common sense that the looking-for-group tool is not an official means for players to trade.
I would like something cleared up about the mail system. I’m assuming it too is a “grey market” but I have had conflicting reports in game and on the forums. Some say it’s against the rules to use the in game mail to buy/sell items but I looked at all of the legal documentation on the GW2 website and couldn’t see anything close to being specific about it. Others have said it’s not against the rules to use the in game mail for player trading.
Either way there is a risk of somebody getting scammed when using the mail system to buy/sell items. But, it is a rules violation to do so?
Personally I’ve only used the trading post and even if there were other authorized ways to trade such as face-to-face I would still use the TP. It’s quicker, easier, and I don’t have to spend hours trying to buy/sell something in chat until I get a price I think is fair.
Personally I would report players trying to use the LFG tool for advertising items for sale or trying to buy them as potential bots, or at the very least for abuse of the system. I would also report players for advertising the buying/selling of items using the in game mail system also. Using the LFG tool to trade involves having to use the mail system to complete the trade. So, yeah. Best to play it safe and stick with the trading post.
P2P trading over mail is not supported by Anet but not forbidden. That means, if you get scammed, Customer Support will not help you.
What is forbidden is to use any official tools/websites to advertise your trades, like the forums, the lfg tool, map chat, whispers, their facebook page etc.
What is forbidden is to use any official tools/websites to advertise your trades, like the forums, the lfg tool, map chat, whispers, their facebook page etc.
Right, so if you can arrange a personal trade with a willing customer, then that won’t get you into trouble, but if you hassle uninterested players in trying to find a customer, then you can get in trouble for that, and they don’t have a dedicated “trader channel” or anything like that because they don’t want people doing personal trades except to good friends and that sort of thing.
Ok, so hopefully reporting them for “abuse of the LFG tool” should find results.
I now have a new hobby.
So is griefing these players using the LFG to sell items allowed?
Obviously ANet cannot do anything if either party gets scammed in such a transaction, but is griefing them permitted in the same way as stealing instances from dungeon sellers?
Ok, so hopefully reporting them for “abuse of the LFG tool” should find results.
I now have a new hobby.
So is griefing these players using the LFG to sell items allowed?
Obviously ANet cannot do anything if either party gets scammed in such a transaction, but is griefing them permitted in the same way as stealing instances from dungeon sellers?
I’m not sure if you are naturally daft or if you are just playing a foolish person on the internet, but your depiction of what was said is very, very inaccurate.
ArenaNet cannot determine the reason why someone was kicked (and there are a variety of legitimate reasons to kick someone). This means that when you are illegitimately kicked from your own instance, you have to report it for them to know about it.
Because there isn’t any data on why you were kicked, they have to rely on some other metric to determine if someone is abusing the LFG tool, and that metric would be quantity of reports.
They are NOT giving the OK to LFG griefers. They are admitting that catching those people is difficult and requesting you to assist them by properly reporting them when they grief you.
It’s great to see that harassing people is allowed in this game. I guess now I know why my support ticket has gone unanswered.
Who are you to determine what people are allowed to do in this game, if you aren’t someone who works for Anet?? Why do you think it’s perfectly acceptable to continually join an LFG and call people names for doing something you don’t agree with? If you see something you don’t like, then report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Your little vigilante group has really proved something, that’s for sure.
It’s great to see that harassing people is allowed in this game. I guess now I know why my support ticket has gone unanswered.
Who are you to determine what people are allowed to do in this game, if you aren’t someone who works for Anet?? Why do you think it’s perfectly acceptable to continually join an LFG and call people names for doing something you don’t agree with? If you see something you don’t like, then report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Your little vigilante group has really proved something, that’s for sure.
If someone is harassing you, report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Harassment is NOT allowed in GW2.
It’s great to see that harassing people is allowed in this game. I guess now I know why my support ticket has gone unanswered.
Who are you to determine what people are allowed to do in this game, if you aren’t someone who works for Anet?? Why do you think it’s perfectly acceptable to continually join an LFG and call people names for doing something you don’t agree with? If you see something you don’t like, then report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Your little vigilante group has really proved something, that’s for sure.
If someone is harassing you, report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Harassment is NOT allowed in GW2.
I disagree. The actions that have been taken against myself and my guildie in the last two days that have been reported and support ticket sent in with specific account names doing the harassment – with no actions taken – pretty much show that harassment is allowed.
As a dungeon soloer/duoer who sells paths, and now attempting to sell an item that I legitimately crafted, well, I guess I’m open to all sorts of abuse because I’m doing it in a manner that isn’t what “they” like. I’d rather provide a service to people who can’t run the dungeons the way I do, but still want the tokens, and provide a way for someone to buy an item that might not have all of the gold for the full price on the TP.
As a woman gamer, I’ve dealt with harassment before, I’ll deal with it again – I’m used to that. But as someone just playing the game to get harassment, well, I’m just in shock that there is so little support from Anet.
Anet – if you DO NOT want players selling dungeons, come right out and SAY IT. If a red post shows up that states “Do not sell items via LFG, do not sell dungeons paths via LFG” then fine, I’ll quit doing it. But everything that I had read up to this point stated that it was “seller beware, but we don’t currently have a problem with it.”
I’m not sure if you are naturally daft or if you are just playing a foolish person on the internet, but your depiction of what was said is very, very inaccurate.
ArenaNet cannot determine the reason why someone was kicked (and there are a variety of legitimate reasons to kick someone). This means that when you are illegitimately kicked from your own instance, you have to report it for them to know about it.
Because there isn’t any data on why you were kicked, they have to rely on some other metric to determine if someone is abusing the LFG tool, and that metric would be quantity of reports.
They are NOT giving the OK to LFG griefers. They are admitting that catching those people is difficult and requesting you to assist them by properly reporting them when they grief you.
Read that thread again.
Two people join the seller’s party, demand “cash or kick”, then kick the seller and relist the path for sale. Not very ambiguous to my daft mind.
It goes on to have a redpost confirm that if a seller gets kicked its “their own fault”, and that no action will be taken unless it becomes “habitual”.
We don’t know what habitual means to ANet, but there have been griefers that have harassed sellers for weeks without action. Back when the merge parties bug was around, the same people would just log on to destroy seller instances, day after day for weeks.
Actions speak louder than words, and even the words these days say "griefing is ok, just don’t do it too much.
If someone is harassing you, report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Blocking them doesn’t fix anything. They can still join your LFG and kick you when they’re blocked.
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It’s great to see that harassing people is allowed in this game. I guess now I know why my support ticket has gone unanswered.
Who are you to determine what people are allowed to do in this game, if you aren’t someone who works for Anet?? Why do you think it’s perfectly acceptable to continually join an LFG and call people names for doing something you don’t agree with? If you see something you don’t like, then report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Your little vigilante group has really proved something, that’s for sure.
If someone is harassing you, report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Harassment is NOT allowed in GW2.
I disagree. The actions that have been taken against myself and my guildie in the last two days that have been reported and support ticket sent in with specific account names doing the harassment – with no actions taken – pretty much show that harassment is allowed.
It is not allowed. Proving it takes time because real people have to investigate your claims. They aren’t going to ban the people you reported just because you reported them, they have to first look at the facts and circumstances. When action is taken, you also won’t be told about it (though the stop in harassment will probably tip you off as to what happened).
This is more of an issue of time where you are jumping the gun with your accusation that “harassment is allowed”.
Anet – if you DO NOT want players selling dungeons, come right out and SAY IT. If a red post shows up that states “Do not sell items via LFG, do not sell dungeons paths via LFG” then fine, I’ll quit doing it. But everything that I had read up to this point stated that it was “seller beware, but we don’t currently have a problem with it.”
They do not support dungeon selling. It is also not a banned activity.
This means that a lot of what you are doing is a “use at your own risk”. They have always stated that advertising player to player trading in game is against the rules. They don’t have a problem with player to player trading, but it is not supported and advertising it is not permitted.
This is more of an issue of time where you are jumping the gun with your accusation that “harassment is allowed”.
Again, read that post.
If someone can join a party, say “Cash or kick!”, then steal the instance and relist it for sale, that is harassment. If they can get away with that sort of disgusting griefing where every part of the harassment is logged, even once, then it is allowed.
This is more of an issue of time where you are jumping the gun with your accusation that “harassment is allowed”.
Again, read that post.
If someone can join a party, say “Cash or kick!”, then steal the instance and relist it for sale, that is harassment. If they can get away with that sort of disgusting greifing, even once, then it is allowed.
Behavior that is not permitted can still happen. Which is the entire point of having a “report” option. Additionally, “harassment” can never be a single instance as the definition of the term requires it to be repeated behavior.
They can only get away with it as long as it goes unreported. The fact that they are saying “Cash or Kick” means that in-game evidence exists of party system abuse so they WILL get a suspension if you report them.
The fact that they keep doing it to you also means that they are harassing you, which further builds YOUR case against them.
Reporting is not a magic “insta-ban” button that you can use to get rid of them. The reports go into a bin where real people have to really read them and really compare them to the reports that other real people are working on. This is a process that takes time. Hold your horses and let ArenaNet actually address the issue before you go around claiming that harassment is allowed.
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They have always stated that advertising player to player trading in game is against the rules. They don’t have a problem with player to player trading, but it is not supported and advertising it is not permitted.
Please provide a link on the forums or the TOS where this is stated. I did my research, I may have missed it, but I’d like to think I’m pretty good at reading comprehension.
For the third time, read that post.
He did report them. He got two replies to his ticket, both generic responses having nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Further, the security lead came in and posted that first time offenders will not get a ban, despite displaying behavior that is incredibly detrimental to other players’ experience.
Maybe that’s acceptable to you. The folks who are actually getting harassed and have to deal with having hours of work being repeatedly destroyed by the griefers do not. This sort of behavior should not be tolerated in anyway.
Looks like we’ll just have to differ in our opinions on this.
For the third time, read that post.
He did report them. He got two replies to his ticket, both generic responses having nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Further, the security lead came in and posted that first time offenders will not get a ban, despite displaying behavior that is incredibly detrimental to other players’ experience.
Maybe that’s acceptable to you. The folks who are actually getting harassed and have to deal with having hours of work being repeatedly destroyed by the griefers do not. This sort of behavior should not be tolerated in anyway.
Looks like we’ll just have to differ in our opinions on this.
You will only get generic responses to report tickets because they don’t share their internal decisions or processes with players. That does not mean anything with regard to whether action will be taken or not.
If a guy pops into your group and kicks you without saying anything, of course he won’t get a ban for it because no evidence of anything exists other than the fact that you were kicked. He could have had a legitimate reason for kicking you for all anyone knows.
If he comes in and tries to extort you, he just violated the rules and WILL get a suspension for his “first time offence” because IN GAME evidence exists that he engaged in party system abuse (demanding payment in exchange for no kick). Additionally, if he repeats the behavior he is NOW engaged in harassment (which requires more than one instance) and thus meets the definition of a “habitual abuser” AND a “harasser”, both of which will net him a ban.
I get that you’re hot about this right now as it is destroying your game experience. I’m just trying to get through to you that if anything is being done, you’ll need to wait a bit for results to show so it is premature to come here and blast ArenaNet for supporting harassment.
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They have always stated that advertising player to player trading in game is against the rules. They don’t have a problem with player to player trading, but it is not supported and advertising it is not permitted.
Please provide a link on the forums or the TOS where this is stated. I did my research, I may have missed it, but I’d like to think I’m pretty good at reading comprehension.
Item 7:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/
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They have always stated that advertising player to player trading in game is against the rules. They don’t have a problem with player to player trading, but it is not supported and advertising it is not permitted.
Please provide a link on the forums or the TOS where this is stated. I did my research, I may have missed it, but I’d like to think I’m pretty good at reading comprehension.
Item 7:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/
“You may not market, promote, advertise, or solicit within the Guild Wars 2 Game or on the official Guild Wars 2 websites.”
Interestingly enough, if we take that text as specifically stated, then the LFG tool itself is then against GW2’s TOS, since it’s advertising for a group.
Also, advertising guilds for recruitment purposes are against this item. Let’s see, what about telling people that a World Boss is up, since that’s promoting your personal agenda of more people joining for the kill.
Hmm, what about someone advertising for help via mapchat with a quest mob? Oh! Or using open-world LFG to find a Dry Top 5+ megaserver and paying for the taxi in?
I’m sure other people can come up with other items.
NOTE: As specifically written, there is no way this can be read that states that these things aren’t bad, whereas LFG posting a legitimate item for sale is bad.
Honestly, I was expecting you to post Item 9, but that one is very specific to real money transactions, not something in-game.
You will only get generic responses to report tickets because they don’t share their internal decisions or processes with players. That does not mean anything with regard to whether action will be taken or not.
It’s not just that the responses are generic. I understand that they won’t come back and say, “Ok, we banned them!”
But neither reply shows that the CS rep really even understood the complaint. Instead they respond with information about broken dungeon mechanics and whether selling a path is an offense. Nothing about griefing and destroying an instance. From the looks of the reply, there’s no reason to think that the issue made it past this rep who just went “lol dungeon problem copypaste”.
If a guy pops into your group and kicks you without saying anything, of course he won’t get a ban for it because no evidence of anything exists other than the fact that you were kicked. He could have had a legitimate reason for kicking you for all anyone knows.
I’m hard pressed to think of a legitimate reason to pop into a group, kick the existing members, then sell/invite friends to get rewards, even without saying a word.
If he comes in and tries to extort you, he just violated the rules and WILL get a suspension for his “first time offence” because IN GAME evidence exists that he engaged in party system abuse (demanding payment in exchange for no kick). Additionally, if he repeats the behavior he is NOW engaged in harassment (which requires more than one instance) and thus meets the definition of a “habitual abuser” AND a “harasser”, both of which will net him a ban.
I get that you’re hot about this right now as it is destroying your game experience. I’m just trying to get through to you that if anything is being done, you’ll need to wait a bit for results to show so it is premature to come here and blast ArenaNet for supporting harassment.
I get your point. It’s what I used to think, until I saw this and this. Maybe what he said didn’t come out right, but it says that action will not be taken unless it happens repeatedly. We’ve asked for clarification repeatedly, but have heard none. Conflating this with the party mergers who wreaked havoc on sellers for weeks with impunity, we’re, I feel, understandably concerned that their definition of “habitual” is not sufficient to address the issue.
Your reasoning is logical and well argued — it mirrors my own understanding of how this all worked from before I became aware of repeated harassment going unpunished. But unless you’re an ArenaNet employee in disguise, you don’t have the standing to tell us how they handle these things, or whether selling on the LFG is allowed, or if/how they action blatant griefing in different cases.
I think we’ve both exhausted our arguments here and are starting to circle around. I respect your views, and sincerely hope that you’re right about these things. But clarification on these issues needs to come from higher up.
Hey all, this seems like it could be an issue, but I would recommend creating a topic in the support forum. I’m not sure that the support guys read this forum, and this is outside my area of expertise. Once you create a new topic and explain the problem, send me a PM with the link and I’ll make sure that someone in the correct area reads it.
Thank you for your response and recommendation, I’ll write up a post requesting clarification of how to deal with the harassment I’ve experienced, since I think that’s the most important issue for myself and my guildmates who have been affected.
John Smith is a hero.
Ok, so hopefully reporting them for “abuse of the LFG tool” should find results.
I now have a new hobby.
So is griefing these players using the LFG to sell items allowed?
Obviously ANet cannot do anything if either party gets scammed in such a transaction, but is griefing them permitted in the same way as stealing instances from dungeon sellers?
It’s not griefing if you’re doing something against the rules or misusing a tool in the first place. If your definition of griefing is correct, all reports made against all players in all circumstances is griefing. Hell, reporting bugs is griefing the game.
Grey market. Pls whats next? wts in chat? Gonna have to send a couple gold to Evon when I buy directly from a player who got a drop I wanted in a map?
“A grey market is the trade of a commodity through distribution channels which, while legal, are unofficial, unauthorized, or unintended by the original manufacturer. "
It’s not griefing if you’re doing something against the rules or misusing a tool in the first place. If your definition of griefing is correct, all reports made against all players in all circumstances is griefing. Hell, reporting bugs is griefing the game.
Please re-read my posts and the linked threads again. I never said reporting someone was griefing, but was referring to instances of verbal harassment and LFG join/kick abuse.
We have a saying in the dungeon forum: Reading is an exploit.
“A grey market is the trade of a commodity through distribution channels which, while legal, are unofficial, unauthorized, or unintended by the original manufacturer. "
forgot to actually say which one is the actual stance.
One can get a person banned/suspended and the others are pfft.
“A grey market is the trade of a commodity through distribution channels which, while legal, are unofficial, unauthorized, or unintended by the original manufacturer. "
forgot to actually say which one is the actual stance.
One can get a person banned/suspended and the others are pfft.
Hey all, this seems like it could be an issue, but I would recommend creating a topic in the support forum. I’m not sure that the support guys read this forum, and this is outside my area of expertise. Once you create a new topic and explain the problem, send me a PM with the link and I’ll make sure that someone in the correct area reads it.
It’s not his call, but he’s trying to get the issue to someone who can settle it.
Not his call but Im gonna guess and say he has influence and he has already said his opinion. Chances are if its becomes not a “grey market” selling paths will go too.
This will be interesting to follow. Especially since it will sorta give “us” the thoughts on bypassing tp fees via chat, mail, lfg tool, etc.
So is griefing these players using the LFG to sell items allowed?
Obviously ANet cannot do anything if either party gets scammed in such a transaction, but is griefing them permitted in the same way as stealing instances from dungeon sellers?
It would not be right to grief these players, but reporting them is certainly warranted.
I have no problem with dungeon path sellers, that is technically advertising z group encounter, albeit a condensed and paid one, so that’s fine, so long as the seller accepts the risk that the people signing up may not want to follow his rules, pay his fees, and are under no obligation to do so under the rules of the game.
Using the LFG tool to sell items, however, is just wrong. It is not trying to actually “look for group,” it is “looking to sell something,” and listings of that sort clutter up a tool that is meant to be useful to the players for other things. If allowed to go unchecked, it would become difficult if not impossible to use the tool for its intended purpose, so it must be crushed whenever found.
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If allowed to go unchecked, it would become difficult if not impossible to use the tool for its intended purpose, so it must be crushed whenever found.
Interesting language choice there. Who are you to determine what should be “crushed?” Report if you feel it’s wrong, let Anet decide. Continuously joining a group to kick because you disagree with an LFG post is harassment.
In your opinion, the next time I see a “LF Drytop taxi, paying 1g” in open-world LFG, do you think I should just start join-kicking that, because it annoys me?
Technically they are looking for a group. of buyers.
In your opinion, the next time I see a “LF Drytop taxi, paying 1g” in open-world LFG, do you think I should just start join-kicking that, because it annoys me?
Probably not, but you’d be as much in your rights to do so as someone posting “Quip for sale” on the Open World LFG tab. You’re right though that the best option would be to just report people, but really it would be best if people just didn’t abuse the tool in the first place, reporting people ties up ANet CR resources that could be better used elsewhere. Maybe the LFG traders are working with botters to distract CS agents so the botters can stick around a bit longer or something.
lol yes dehumanise them. LFG traders are working with botters. Maybe.
Youre very good at this.
It’s not griefing if you’re doing something against the rules or misusing a tool in the first place. If your definition of griefing is correct, all reports made against all players in all circumstances is griefing. Hell, reporting bugs is griefing the game.
Please re-read my posts and the linked threads again. I never said reporting someone was griefing, but was referring to instances of verbal harassment and LFG join/kick abuse.
We have a saying in the dungeon forum: Reading is an exploit.
Your links are irrelevant to my comment. The OP was talking about people selling legendaries in the LFG tool, not selling quick dungeon runs.
It’s not griefing if you’re doing something against the rules or misusing a tool in the first place. If your definition of griefing is correct, all reports made against all players in all circumstances is griefing. Hell, reporting bugs is griefing the game.
Please re-read my posts and the linked threads again. I never said reporting someone was griefing, but was referring to instances of verbal harassment and LFG join/kick abuse.
We have a saying in the dungeon forum: Reading is an exploit.
Your links are irrelevant to my comment. The OP was talking about people selling legendaries in the LFG tool, not selling quick dungeon runs.
So harassing people is okay if you think it’s okay because you disagree with what they’re doing. Got it.
It’s not griefing if you’re doing something against the rules or misusing a tool in the first place. If your definition of griefing is correct, all reports made against all players in all circumstances is griefing. Hell, reporting bugs is griefing the game.
Please re-read my posts and the linked threads again. I never said reporting someone was griefing, but was referring to instances of verbal harassment and LFG join/kick abuse.
We have a saying in the dungeon forum: Reading is an exploit.
Your links are irrelevant to my comment. The OP was talking about people selling legendaries in the LFG tool, not selling quick dungeon runs.
If you weren’t referring to my statements and link….then why did you quote my post when you replied??!?
Ok, so hopefully reporting them for “abuse of the LFG tool” should find results.
I now have a new hobby.
So is griefing these players using the LFG to sell items allowed?
Obviously ANet cannot do anything if either party gets scammed in such a transaction, but is griefing them permitted in the same way as stealing instances from dungeon sellers?
It’s not griefing if you’re doing something against the rules or misusing a tool in the first place. If your definition of griefing is correct, all reports made against all players in all circumstances is griefing. Hell, reporting bugs is griefing the game.
And FWIW, the first link is definitely to a post where selling items in the LFG is being discussed. Reading. OP.
In either case, my post holds. No one said reporting someone was griefing. We were talking about joining a seller’s party, harassing them, and/or kicking them.
Please, please think for a moment before typing in the little box and hitting reply. Thanks.
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In either case, my post holds. No one said reporting someone was griefing. We were talking about joining a seller’s party, harassing them, and/or kicking them.
Harassing them, as in using offensive language or whatever, is NEVER appropriate, even if that person is themselves engaged in inappropriate behavior. Joining their party and removing it from the listing or otherwise disrupting their attempts to misuse the LFG tool would not be harassment though, it would just be community responsibility. Reporting them is a good first step, but the CR staff is overworked, and likely won’t get to them right away, using available methods to remove their spam from the LFG tool seems perfectly reasonable to me.
As a dungeon soloer/duoer who sells paths, and now attempting to sell an item that I legitimately crafted, well, I guess I’m open to all sorts of abuse because I’m doing it in a manner that isn’t what “they” like.
The difference is that the LFG is for finding groups, not for you to get around the TP taxes. Dungeon selling, IMO, is perfectly fine when you haven’t stolen the instance, kicked people at the last boss, etc. As you can see from the Anet poster, the LFG is not a market. Feel free to sell your item outside of the TP, but do not abuse the LFG to get it done.
It’s not griefing if you’re doing something against the rules or misusing a tool in the first place. If your definition of griefing is correct, all reports made against all players in all circumstances is griefing. Hell, reporting bugs is griefing the game.
Please re-read my posts and the linked threads again. I never said reporting someone was griefing, but was referring to instances of verbal harassment and LFG join/kick abuse.
We have a saying in the dungeon forum: Reading is an exploit.
Your links are irrelevant to my comment. The OP was talking about people selling legendaries in the LFG tool, not selling quick dungeon runs.
If you weren’t referring to my statements and link….then why did you quote my post when you replied??!?
Ok, so hopefully reporting them for “abuse of the LFG tool” should find results.
I now have a new hobby.
So is griefing these players using the LFG to sell items allowed?
Obviously ANet cannot do anything if either party gets scammed in such a transaction, but is griefing them permitted in the same way as stealing instances from dungeon sellers?
It’s not griefing if you’re doing something against the rules or misusing a tool in the first place. If your definition of griefing is correct, all reports made against all players in all circumstances is griefing. Hell, reporting bugs is griefing the game.
And FWIW, the first link is definitely to a post where selling items in the LFG is being discussed. Reading. OP.
In either case, my post holds. No one said reporting someone was griefing. We were talking about joining a seller’s party, harassing them, and/or kicking them.
Please, please think for a moment before typing in the little box and hitting reply. Thanks.
FWIW? Also, I responded to clarify my stance, which is not changing. The OP of THIS thread is talking about users using the LFG tool to sell legendaries, and my original comment was “I have a new hobby.” The LFG tool is designed to look for groups, and as far as I am concerned, using it for anything that is not directly related for the need of a group is improper use.
It’s not griefing if you’re doing something against the rules or misusing a tool in the first place. If your definition of griefing is correct, all reports made against all players in all circumstances is griefing. Hell, reporting bugs is griefing the game.
Please re-read my posts and the linked threads again. I never said reporting someone was griefing, but was referring to instances of verbal harassment and LFG join/kick abuse.
We have a saying in the dungeon forum: Reading is an exploit.
Your links are irrelevant to my comment. The OP was talking about people selling legendaries in the LFG tool, not selling quick dungeon runs.
So harassing people is okay if you think it’s okay because you disagree with what they’re doing. Got it.
Reporting people for using a tool not as intended is not harassment.
I’ll just leave this here.
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