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Posted by: a t s e.9614

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Was just wondering what will happen when they release ascended armor or new legendaries … It looks like the price is going up faster than I am able to farm . If the twilight goes up go 3k gold I might aswell stop playing and try to come bk until new legendaries come out to see what’s up with the prices.

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Posted by: Crovax.7854

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Maybe you could craft it yourself without, you know, buying it completely off the TP.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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It is quite possible that the price will drop quite a bit when crafted precursors come, since precursors is the vast majority of the price to create a legendary.

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Posted by: Vol.5241

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I can see Legendary prices going down when new legendary weapons are imminent. Even then, I’m not 100% sure it’ll happen.

On one hand, the demand for old legendary weapons would go down since people will shift their focus to the new ones. But on the other, the demand for materials shared would be pushed waaaay high.

The only scenario I’m 100% sure will result in lower legendary prices is the precursor crafting scheme.
In this scenario, the materials will surely go up, but not enough to the point that it will cover the precursor cost. I could see legendary prices dropping +200g here.

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Posted by: a t s e.9614

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Ight , that’s great to hear . Cuz I can’t craft it by myself hecause I hate RNG and map exploring . I’m at 13% map .. I’m closer to get it from tp

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

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Another influencing factor is what the new legendary weapons take. Will there be new precursors or will they use existing ones? Will they take a crap ton of ascended mats?

I could easily see new legendary weapons taking like 100 vision crystals instead of the gift of fortune. so the “cost” of the new legendary weapons would be meaningless.

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Posted by: Vol.5241

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Another influencing factor is what the new legendary weapons take. Will there be new precursors or will they use existing ones? Will they take a crap ton of ascended mats?

I could easily see new legendary weapons taking like 100 vision crystals instead of the gift of fortune. so the “cost” of the new legendary weapons would be meaningless.

There’s absolutely no reason for Anet to make a new crafting recipe for the new legendaries. The only difference, of course, would be the precursor and some gift components.

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Posted by: Nike Porphyrogenita.8137

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People are finally starting to adjust their prices for the suddenly rare currency Karma. Previously, a Gift of Mastery was worth like 100g since it was just karma (everyone effectively had an infinite amount) and Badges (which they dumped tons of onto everybody) and world completion. Suddenly Karma went from being nearly infinitely available to especially rare and a Gift of Mastery is valued at 400-500g now, if not more. Prices are still adjusting to the increased time investment needed per legendary.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

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Another influencing factor is what the new legendary weapons take. Will there be new precursors or will they use existing ones? Will they take a crap ton of ascended mats?

I could easily see new legendary weapons taking like 100 vision crystals instead of the gift of fortune. so the “cost” of the new legendary weapons would be meaningless.

There’s absolutely no reason for Anet to make a new crafting recipe for the new legendaries. The only difference, of course, would be the precursor and some gift components.

I am pretty sure there will be new recipes

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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I am pretty sure there will be new recipes

That would be quite weird though. Unless they at the same time changes the recipes for the old ones as well.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

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Why would it be wierd? New items – new recipes. A lot of new items have been introduced since release which can be used such as quartz and ascended materials. I could totally see new weapons require 50 vision crystals or 250 deldrimor steel.

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Why would it be wierd? New items – new recipes. A lot of new items have been introduced since release which can be used such as quartz and ascended materials. I could totally see new weapons require 50 vision crystals or 250 deldrimor steel.

Because unless they are similar one of them would be easier to create, and thus would be considered unfair.

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Posted by: Afya.5842

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It is quite possible that the price will drop quite a bit when crafted precursors come, since precursors is the vast majority of the price to create a legendary.

Who told you crafting precursors would be cheaper?

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

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Why would it be wierd? New items – new recipes. A lot of new items have been introduced since release which can be used such as quartz and ascended materials. I could totally see new weapons require 50 vision crystals or 250 deldrimor steel.

Because unless they are similar one of them would be easier to create, and thus would be considered unfair.

How can different recipes be unfair for different items be unfair? Entitled people nowadays.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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Who told you crafting precursors would be cheaper?

No one.
But being able to craft it will make it much more common, and thus the price should decrease, even if the crafting is costly, since you remove the RNG element.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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How can different recipes be unfair for different items be unfair? Entitled people nowadays.

Current Legendary Cost = X
New Legendary Cost = Y

Y < X or X > Y will both be seen as unfair and people will whine about it.

I am not saying it is the right to whine about it, but based on these forums there will be massive amount of kitten if something like that happens.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

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On the other hand I doubt anet would want people to craft the new legendaries on day one, so they will probably remake the recipes by at least 50% so most people will get caught by suprise unless you got at least a stack of everything.

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Posted by: Vol.5241

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Why would it be wierd? New items – new recipes. A lot of new items have been introduced since release which can be used such as quartz and ascended materials. I could totally see new weapons require 50 vision crystals or 250 deldrimor steel.

When I say that the recipes should be the same, I’m talking about the minimum items required for all legendaries, so:
-Gift of Mastery
-Gift of Fortune
-Precursor weapon

The only changes, and as expected, will be the craftable specific gifts (recipes bought from Miyani)

When I hear people talking about ‘new recipes’ I’m assuming you all are talking about a complete overhaul of the legendary craft recipes, such as the removal of map exploration, badges, T6 mats and clovers.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

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I am pretty sure there will be precursors (new ones) and karma + skillpoints will probably be a involved in vision crystals and deldrimor steel. Map exploration and wvw badges are no longer a good requirement. Everyone got thousands of those badges even if you never spent more time in there than doing the exploration part. Bloodstone dust, dragonite ore and empyreal stars contained in the vision crystals would be a good substitute for map exploration but they might have both of it when I think of it.
So I doubt gift of fortune, gift of mastery or other existing gifts will be used. Maybe partly reused by adding mystic clovers to new gifts. So I wouldnt start stockpiling gifts of fortune or mastery just yet.

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

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Why would it be wierd? New items – new recipes. A lot of new items have been introduced since release which can be used such as quartz and ascended materials. I could totally see new weapons require 50 vision crystals or 250 deldrimor steel.

When I say that the recipes should be the same, I’m talking about the minimum items required for all legendaries, so:
-Gift of Mastery
-Gift of Fortune
-Precursor weapon

The only changes, and as expected, will be the craftable specific gifts (recipes bought from Miyani)

When I hear people talking about ‘new recipes’ I’m assuming you all are talking about a complete overhaul of the legendary craft recipes, such as the removal of map exploration, badges, T6 mats and clovers.

Those I assume will stay the same. Gift of fortune is the most likely to change imo.

Gift of might and wisdom(?) will imo be switched out for ascended mats instead of T6 mats. They can be acquired from a larger set of in game activities, have a much more regulated drop rate, and seem to be the direction they are moving.

But I agree the weapon specific gift will probably also be switched out.

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Posted by: OmniPotentes.4817

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I am pretty sure there will be precursors (new ones) and karma + skillpoints will probably be a involved in vision crystals and deldrimor steel. Map exploration and wvw badges are no longer a good requirement. Everyone got thousands of those badges even if you never spent more time in there than doing the exploration part. Bloodstone dust, dragonite ore and empyreal stars contained in the vision crystals would be a good substitute for map exploration but they might have both of it when I think of it.
So I doubt gift of fortune, gift of mastery or other existing gifts will be used. Maybe partly reused by adding mystic clovers to new gifts. So I wouldnt start stockpiling gifts of fortune or mastery just yet.

This will never happen. There are so many people with these gifts stored away in the bank praying for the day a precursor drops, there would be a kitten storm of complaints if Anet decided to radically change Legendary crafting. Dream on. Like others have stated they might introduce new gift recipes but the ones you mention will never change.

My prediction is Anet will do the same thing they did to 1st year minis. Out with the old in with the new. They will just phaseout the existing precursor skins and replace them with new ones.

I don’t expect there will be much time gating when it comes to crafting Legendaries. Availability on the TP is after all a lucrative source of income for Anet. They wouldn’t want to bite the hand that feeds them.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

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I am not saying the existing recipes will be changed and I am 99.99% sure the existing skills will stay available. The new ones will just be to add more varity and choice.

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Posted by: Syeria.4812

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It is quite possible that the price will drop quite a bit when crafted precursors come, since precursors is the vast majority of the price to create a legendary.

I’m being a total pedant here but, the precursor isn’t even a majority of the price of a legendary, much less the “vast majority.” I have a document I have been tracking a couple legendaries (for my own progress on crafting) so just referencing those two: Dusk 796.99g / Twilight total cost 1692.45g = 47%
Spark 629g / Incinerator total cost 1549.83g = 40.6%

The Gift of Fortune is 645.82g alone, so only 3 legendaries have the precursor as the most expensive component for the final combine.

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Posted by: Syeria.4812

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It is quite possible that the price will drop quite a bit when crafted precursors come, since precursors is the vast majority of the price to create a legendary.

Who told you crafting precursors would be cheaper?

They don’t necessarily have to be in order to have a negative price pressure upon precursor pricing. There’s quite a few situations where even a higher total combine price would cause downward pricing pressure on non-crafted precursors. The current precursor price is likely buoyed by people pursuing a legendary who have purchased that on the front end in order to try protect themselves against expected increases in cost or by people who would (given the option) craft instead of buy regardless of which is less expensive. Putting in the crafting option, as long as it’s not significantly more expensive than current prices (we’re talking about >30% cost excess minimum), would remove the demand from that category of player. Add in the increased frequency of players having legendary weapons, the demand from players who want the skin because it’s rare or feels like an exclusive club would also pressure the price down.

But the real reason to expect a drop in price is Anet’s behavior thus far. The recipe behavior for ascended weapons is probably the best indicator of how a crafted precursor would work (if that’s what they ultimately do add). Cooldown crafting of non-tradeable items is the most likely avenue for a potential crafting solution to precursors. It’s certainly theoretically possible for precursor or legendary prices to not fall, but it’s more a stretch to speculate prices not falling than the reverse.

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Posted by: Izaya.2906

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People are finally starting to adjust their prices for the suddenly rare currency Karma. Previously, a Gift of Mastery was worth like 100g since it was just karma (everyone effectively had an infinite amount) and Badges (which they dumped tons of onto everybody) and world completion. Suddenly Karma went from being nearly infinitely available to especially rare and a Gift of Mastery is valued at 400-500g now, if not more. Prices are still adjusting to the increased time investment needed per legendary.

That was very weird, even for 100g it was too cheap back then specially during the dead-eye farming time. It’ll take only a few hours to get 100g vs the pain in the kitten to get multiple map completions.

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Posted by: Amurond.4590

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I sold a Frostfang for 2,200G today after it being on the TP for less than 24 hours. People must really hate that world completion, it was like 400g profit after fees (I spent about 1100g on it + the stuff I had just accumulated, particularly from clovers). The precursor crafting will drag them down for sure you would think, unless the crafting requires a ridiculous amount of materials. However, as mentioned above, the market will always be there due to the world completion requirement.

As far as karma goes, it’s very easy to obtain if you WvW a lot and always do daily/monthly. I think I’ve come across ~ 1M since they nerfed it in various ways. I’ve made three legendaries, all with rng trolling me hard and each taking at least 1.2M karma, and I’m just about to hit 4 million again. I suppose it is somewhat scarce these days if you aren’t WvWing a lot like I am.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

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Map explorations is definatly the worst part of building a legendary. Even if you have a good WvW server its just a pain and boredom to revisit everything over and over. I would buy those map exloration gifts for several 100g each if they were tradeable.

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

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I can see Legendary prices going down when new legendary weapons are imminent. Even then, I’m not 100% sure it’ll happen.

On one hand, the demand for old legendary weapons would go down since people will shift their focus to the new ones. But on the other, the demand for materials shared would be pushed waaaay high.

The only scenario I’m 100% sure will result in lower legendary prices is the precursor crafting scheme.
In this scenario, the materials will surely go up, but not enough to the point that it will cover the precursor cost. I could see legendary prices dropping +200g here.

I wouldn’t be so hasty to be certain about that considering their love for 250 and the fact that the precursor crafting will “probably use the time gated t7”. 250 Deldrimor Steel Dagger blades would result in a Spark that cost well over 2500g and similarly for the other precursors. That would make the crafted precursors more expensive than current finished legendaries but when it comes to stupid prices for crafting that never seems to be a concern.

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Posted by: Omer.5096

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Making money in this game has never been easier. At release, having 5 gold was a princely sum and took more than a month to accumulate just by playing. Now, you can make 5 gold in an hour and that’s a pitifully low amount. On top of that, several currencies needed to make legendaries have become scarce (eg karma, map exploration) so that difficulty is also priced in.

The prices of legendaries reflect this inflation. Also, you have to remember that people who put up legendaries on the TP want a return on their investment. If it costs 2000g to make Twilight, selling for 2000g is not a smart decision. Depending on the player and how aggressive they are, they will want a 10-30% return on their investment. The legendaries on the TP aren’t there to serve you, they are investment vehicles for players who spent time and effort crafting a legendary weapon.

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Posted by: Chaotic Storm.2815

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I think the price would drop but maybe by only a 100-200 gold difference. course that mainly depends on 2 factors.
1. what changed happen with requiring a precursor
2. how much other materials shot up in price to meet the sudden flood of people now willing to try to make 1.

my prediction is it will be the same or more expensive over all with t6 material increase 2 or 3 times its current price. only benefit I see is precursors being more inviting to try for.

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Posted by: Romek.4201

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We have an inflation and i think arenanet will do something about (last patch they nerfed championboxes golddrops) . They will nerf more gold-loot/rewards or bring more goldsinks.

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Posted by: Yamagawa.5941

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To answer the original post:
Yes and no. Precursor prices will fall off once a firm date for precursors via other methods is established. Until the, precursor prices are bound only by currency inflation in an unchanging supply/demand setting.

Material prices will remain subject to the inflation of the game currency, and will only go up from announced pending additions. If you want to avoid the penalty of inflation and cost increase as much as you can, then make your own legendary. Buy the mats as you can afford them, and then you fix that piece of the price in stone.

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