Guild Wars 2

I want to start off by talking about the gems to gold trading. 1 gold is equivalent to 1 US Dollar. seeing as 10 Dollars gets you 800 gems which gets you about 11 gold. now with that out of the way lets move on. The legendary items sell from 1000-6000 gold that is litarlly in Dollars $1000-$5000! THAT IS INSANE for a computer rendered fancy sword. this needs to change immediatelly there are hundreds of these bafoons selling them at these prices. im sticking with masterwork and rare stuff until they drop in price (if they ever do). and to make things worse the only players even capable of purchasing such items are those that buy there gold from these dreaded gold farming sellers. ArenaNet this issue is feeding the bot issue. i do sincerely hope this issue is somehow fixed.

• Saying that an item is overpriced because of how much it would cost to buy with dollars isn’t a valid argument
• The Legendaries don’t actually cost that much
• The Legendaries cost much less if you make them yourself
• There aren’t hundreds of Legendaries on the TP
• There are plenty of people who have Legendaries that got them by playing the game

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

Marrik hun I believe many of us that talk to you have already stated that those Legendaries in the market are placed there by others who basically are showing off, they don’t expect people to actually buy the item they are showing they made it “hey eveyrbody look i made this sword now I’m gonna overprice it because i want you all to know i made this.” I seriously don’t see people actually wanting to buy those things.

also the whole issue with the gold spammers hun it’s a scam the ones selling the gold are not really after your gold, they are after your account. ArenaNet did change the mail system to include a reporting function so that you can report these spammers that way ArenaNet can stop this. Bear in mind they have alot on their heads when it comes to issues and they arn’t able to snag every single gold spammer or gathering bot right away. I’m not being mean hun It’s just how it is, this is a very popular game and it’s not the first with this type of issue.

Lunara.6458:

Marrik hun I believe many of us that talk to you have already stated that those Legendaries in the market are placed there by others who basically are showing off, they don’t expect people to actually buy the item they are showing they made it “hey eveyrbody look i made this sword now I’m gonna overprice it because i want you all to know i made this.” I seriously don’t see people actually wanting to buy those things.

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That would be believable if there was no listing fee to list a legendary. With a 2500g legendary, it would cost you 400g. Not to mention there is no identifier as to who is selling it. So there goes that theory out of the window.

I like that they are expensive and hard to get. Only the most dedicated are deserved, otherwise what’s the point? Buck up, buttercup. Play hard or move on.

Didnt you hear? Legendaries are not for adventurers, they are for traders and merchants. They should change Legendary weapons for Legendary hats, monocles and batons. 0 Damage and summons BLTP agents anytime.

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

goldi.3129:

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

Legendaries represent more than luxury and cosmetic, this is where you are wrong.

There is no other achievement in game on par with a legendary. Remove Legendaries from the game and 90% will plain quit as this is the only thing remaining for someone who already completed the world, dungeons, and got bored with WvW.

Anet knows this and let the market madness continue as we keep struggling with 0,00001% drop rates. There must be a carrot at the end of the stick.

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

Legendaries represent more than luxury and cosmetic, this is where you are wrong.

There is no other achievement in game on par with a legendary. Remove Legendaries from the game and 90% will plain quit as this is the only thing remaining for someone who already completed the world, dungeons, and got bored with WvW.

Anet knows this and let the market madness continue as we keep struggling with 0,00001% drop rates. There must be a carrot at the end of the stick.

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lux·u·ry (lgzh-r, lksh-)
n. pl. lux·u·ries
1. Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
2. Something expensive or hard to obtain.
3. Sumptuous living or surroundings

Definition of luxury.
See point 2 and 1 which applies completely to legendaries.

In no sentence did I say that legendaries are NOT and endgame goal. I merely said they are not essential for any content in the game as according to luxury definition.

Marrik.2618:

I want to start off by talking about the gems to gold trading. 1 gold is equivalent to 1 US Dollar. seeing as 10 Dollars gets you 800 gems which gets you about 11 gold. now with that out of the way lets move on. The legendary items sell from 1000-6000 gold that is litarlly in Dollars $1000-$5000! THAT IS INSANE for a computer rendered fancy sword. this needs to change immediatelly there are hundreds of these bafoons selling them at these prices. im sticking with masterwork and rare stuff until they drop in price (if they ever do). and to make things worse the only players even capable of purchasing such items are those that buy there gold from these dreaded gold farming sellers. ArenaNet this issue is feeding the bot issue. i do sincerely hope this issue is somehow fixed.

Lol, you’re going to wear masterwork and rares because legendaries are expensive? Do you realize there is an Exotic tier?

goldi.3129:

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

Legendaries represent more than luxury and cosmetic, this is where you are wrong.

There is no other achievement in game on par with a legendary. Remove Legendaries from the game and 90% will plain quit as this is the only thing remaining for someone who already completed the world, dungeons, and got bored with WvW.

Anet knows this and let the market madness continue as we keep struggling with 0,00001% drop rates. There must be a carrot at the end of the stick.

…
lux·u·ry (lgzh-r, lksh-)
n. pl. lux·u·ries
1. Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
2. Something expensive or hard to obtain.
3. Sumptuous living or surroundings

Definition of luxury.
See point 2 and 1 which applies completely to legendaries.

In no sentence did I say that legendaries are NOT and endgame goal. I merely said they are not essential for any content in the game as according to luxury definition.

I repeat. Remove them from the game and 90% will quit sooner than expected. They are much more than what you think. I’m sorry if you fail to see that.

Its almost every player carrot on the stick. (Even though many denied that because they already gave up, yeah… they right click them preview as well when nobody sees them).

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

Legendaries represent more than luxury and cosmetic, this is where you are wrong.

There is no other achievement in game on par with a legendary. Remove Legendaries from the game and 90% will plain quit as this is the only thing remaining for someone who already completed the world, dungeons, and got bored with WvW.

Anet knows this and let the market madness continue as we keep struggling with 0,00001% drop rates. There must be a carrot at the end of the stick.

…
lux·u·ry (lgzh-r, lksh-)
n. pl. lux·u·ries
1. Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
2. Something expensive or hard to obtain.
3. Sumptuous living or surroundings

Definition of luxury.
See point 2 and 1 which applies completely to legendaries.

In no sentence did I say that legendaries are NOT and endgame goal. I merely said they are not essential for any content in the game as according to luxury definition.

I repeat. Remove them from the game and 90% will quit sooner than expected. They are much more than what you think. I’m sorry if you fail to see that.

Its almost every player carrot on the stick. (Even though many denied that because they already gave up, yeah… they right click them preview as well when nobody sees them).

Maybe you didn’t read my last sentence of the post you quoted…

goldi.3129:

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

Legendaries represent more than luxury and cosmetic, this is where you are wrong.

There is no other achievement in game on par with a legendary. Remove Legendaries from the game and 90% will plain quit as this is the only thing remaining for someone who already completed the world, dungeons, and got bored with WvW.

Anet knows this and let the market madness continue as we keep struggling with 0,00001% drop rates. There must be a carrot at the end of the stick.

…
lux·u·ry (lgzh-r, lksh-)
n. pl. lux·u·ries
1. Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
2. Something expensive or hard to obtain.
3. Sumptuous living or surroundings

Definition of luxury.
See point 2 and 1 which applies completely to legendaries.

In no sentence did I say that legendaries are NOT and endgame goal. I merely said they are not essential for any content in the game as according to luxury definition.

I repeat. Remove them from the game and 90% will quit sooner than expected. They are much more than what you think. I’m sorry if you fail to see that.

Its almost every player carrot on the stick. (Even though many denied that because they already gave up, yeah… they right click them preview as well when nobody sees them).

Maybe you didn’t read my last sentence of the post you quoted…

Carrot on stick is the key concept here… they are not essential to the naked eye, but they are. Without them or the idea of having one eventually makes the game old fast.

What else is there for us, the players who are here since release and already completed most of the game content?

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

Legendaries represent more than luxury and cosmetic, this is where you are wrong.

There is no other achievement in game on par with a legendary. Remove Legendaries from the game and 90% will plain quit as this is the only thing remaining for someone who already completed the world, dungeons, and got bored with WvW.

Anet knows this and let the market madness continue as we keep struggling with 0,00001% drop rates. There must be a carrot at the end of the stick.

…
lux·u·ry (lgzh-r, lksh-)
n. pl. lux·u·ries
1. Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
2. Something expensive or hard to obtain.
3. Sumptuous living or surroundings

Definition of luxury.
See point 2 and 1 which applies completely to legendaries.

In no sentence did I say that legendaries are NOT and endgame goal. I merely said they are not essential for any content in the game as according to luxury definition.

I repeat. Remove them from the game and 90% will quit sooner than expected. They are much more than what you think. I’m sorry if you fail to see that.

Its almost every player carrot on the stick. (Even though many denied that because they already gave up, yeah… they right click them preview as well when nobody sees them).

Maybe you didn’t read my last sentence of the post you quoted…

Carrot on stick is the key concept here… they are not essential to the naked eye, but they are. Without them or the idea of having one eventually makes the game old fast.

What else is there for us, the players who are here since release and already completed most of the game content?

Why exactly are you posting in a thread thats sole purpose is to make legendaries easier to obtain, therefor by your argument removing the carrot and making players quit…
Looks like you took my first quote way out of place.

As to your second point, if that is really your problem (I started on headstart as well) open the achievment tab and you will without doubt get pointed into several directions

Vol.5241:

Lunara.6458:

Marrik hun I believe many of us that talk to you have already stated that those Legendaries in the market are placed there by others who basically are showing off, they don’t expect people to actually buy the item they are showing they made it “hey eveyrbody look i made this sword now I’m gonna overprice it because i want you all to know i made this.” I seriously don’t see people actually wanting to buy those things.

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That would be believable if there was no listing fee to list a legendary. With a 2500g legendary, it would cost you 400g. Not to mention there is no identifier as to who is selling it. So there goes that theory out of the window.

The “cost” of a legendary is best described by the production cost, and not the price someone posted on the TP. We don’t actually have any solid evidence that any of those legendaries posted on the TP have ever actually sold. Per a sheet I’m keeping to track my progress towards Incinerator, it currently costs 1480g to buy every item (well, every purchasable item) for its creation. Since it’s one of the most expensive legendaries, I’d be surprised if any were over 2000g to create. At current Gem→Gold transaction rates, that’s approximately $1200.

So no, it does not cost up to the $5000 the OP is quoting to outright buy a legendary. Eternity (which is essentially two “legendaries”) doesn’t even approach that price.

^I think what Vol is trying to say is that if someone lists a 2500g Legendary, you’re losing 400G in listing fees (is 400 15%?).

So it’s highly unlikely that people just put it up just for the heck of it.

goldi.3129:

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

Mesket.5728:

goldi.3129:

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

Legendaries represent more than luxury and cosmetic, this is where you are wrong.

There is no other achievement in game on par with a legendary. Remove Legendaries from the game and 90% will plain quit as this is the only thing remaining for someone who already completed the world, dungeons, and got bored with WvW.

Anet knows this and let the market madness continue as we keep struggling with 0,00001% drop rates. There must be a carrot at the end of the stick.

…
lux·u·ry (lgzh-r, lksh-)
n. pl. lux·u·ries
1. Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
2. Something expensive or hard to obtain.
3. Sumptuous living or surroundings

Definition of luxury.
See point 2 and 1 which applies completely to legendaries.

In no sentence did I say that legendaries are NOT and endgame goal. I merely said they are not essential for any content in the game as according to luxury definition.

I repeat. Remove them from the game and 90% will quit sooner than expected. They are much more than what you think. I’m sorry if you fail to see that.

Its almost every player carrot on the stick. (Even though many denied that because they already gave up, yeah… they right click them preview as well when nobody sees them).

Maybe you didn’t read my last sentence of the post you quoted…

Carrot on stick is the key concept here… they are not essential to the naked eye, but they are. Without them or the idea of having one eventually makes the game old fast.

What else is there for us, the players who are here since release and already completed most of the game content?

Why exactly are you posting in a thread thats sole purpose is to make legendaries easier to obtain, therefor by your argument removing the carrot and making players quit…
Looks like you took my first quote way out of place.

As to your second point, if that is really your problem (I started on headstart as well) open the achievment tab and you will without doubt get pointed into several directions

I never said they should be easy, actually on the contrary; they are INCREDIBLE easy right now as they require absolutly no ingame challenge… Certainly, it shouldnt be around market difficulty…

be honest and grade from 1 to 10 the difficulty of getting the things you need for a legendary… consider TP category whenever an item has less than 20? 30%? drop chance and you need to end up buying them. Including Precursor.

You will find out that crafting a legendary is a small portion of playing and a large LARGE % of gold and TP.

And again, Legendaries are in the end what everyone will end up wanting. Nobody wants them until they played enough to gather 20% at the mats (or get really really lucky and get a precursor or two to sell), point in which they think they have a chance and start the endeavor just to realize they must play the TP to acquire one.

Consider this, without legendaries (or other cosmetic high end weapons), none of this posts and complains would exist.

1500 gold to buy all the mats + hours of game play for karma and SP and world completion = 2500 gold sale – 85% = 625 gold profit for several hundred hours of work.
it’s the same as every other tier turnaround – buy cheap mats, spend time to turn them into something (or gamble with flipping it), then get profit.
it’s your fault if you want to spend $1,000 on flickering pixels

Prices are getting pretty steep. But you can get most of the stuff you need for cheap. Armor from dungeons give you the best possible stats. Weapons I find are best from crafting, you just gotta farm some Orichalcum and Elder and your good to go. Oh and do your dailys and fractals!

laharl.8435:

Marrik.2618:

I want to start off by talking about the gems to gold trading. 1 gold is equivalent to 1 US Dollar. seeing as 10 Dollars gets you 800 gems which gets you about 11 gold. now with that out of the way lets move on. The legendary items sell from 1000-6000 gold that is litarlly in Dollars $1000-$5000! THAT IS INSANE for a computer rendered fancy sword. this needs to change immediatelly there are hundreds of these bafoons selling them at these prices. im sticking with masterwork and rare stuff until they drop in price (if they ever do). and to make things worse the only players even capable of purchasing such items are those that buy there gold from these dreaded gold farming sellers. ArenaNet this issue is feeding the bot issue. i do sincerely hope this issue is somehow fixed.

Lol, you’re going to wear masterwork and rares because legendaries are expensive? Do you realize there is an Exotic tier?

Yea i know the Exotic Tier exists ill make the money for it then get but that is probablly were ill stop. Exotic can get expensive especially if your like me trying to get all parts of the mhenlo armor.

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

They were a luxury object.

Ever since lost shores, they are the target “goal” of endgame — Don’t try to dispute this, it’s in the countless dev Q&A sessions.

As such, it is ANet’s duty to make sure average players can gradually work toward one on a timescale which is annual rather than generational

Mesket.5728:

Remove them from the game and 90% will quit sooner than expected. They are much more than what you think. I’m sorry if you fail to see that.

Its almost every player carrot on the stick. (Even though many denied that because they already gave up, yeah… they right click them preview as well when nobody sees them).

And if those 90% could get one within a few days of going for it, they would still quit. I don’t see your point.

goldi.3129:

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

Wrong, legendary evolves as new tiers are added, as such it is not just A tier, it is THE tier.

As for it being a luxury item, what a hillarious comment, so we should have a cast system like real life? rich v poor? I don’t know about you, but I play games to escape from real life stress and economical nightmares.

The Legendary’s should be a symbol of experience and dedication, not a symbol of wealth.

Alot of the legendarys look bad. Just throwing it out there, alot of weapons in the mystic forge with same stats and look better and less people have them, so its a more unique look for you. Just wish there were more weapon skins on the market / released by Anet.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

goldi.3129:

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

Wrong, legendary evolves as new tiers are added, as such it is not just A tier, it is THE tier.

As for it being a luxury item, what a hillarious comment, so we should have a cast system like real life? rich v poor? I don’t know about you, but I play games to escape from real life stress and economical nightmares.

The Legendary’s should be a symbol of experience and dedication, not a symbol of wealth.

Again, this game has no (real) gear spiral.
I also will refrain from now on to answer posts that are just based around insults and emotions and completely lacking arguments.

plasmacutter.2709:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

They were a luxury object.

Ever since lost shores, they are the target “goal” of endgame — Don’t try to dispute this, it’s in the countless dev Q&A sessions.

As such, it is ANet’s duty to make sure average players can gradually work toward one on a timescale which is annual rather than generational

And I did NOT dispute that they are and endgame goal. They are also a luxury item in that they are NOT essential in beating any part of the game. If you’d bother to read what I wrote, espescially the definition of luxury and what parts are applied to legendaries…

I wonder if there are people here who actually READ the posts I make instead of pulling out a one liner and than throwing in a comment.

As an endgame goal it is surely not Anets duty to assure that every player can get them in a short time span.
Long term goal…

There have been people who posted how long it took them to obtain there target items in gw1.
There have people who posted how long it took them to have their endgame goal items in other games. In those games the items were not merely cosmetic.
Google up how long it took e.g. WoW players to achieve their first legedaries after the game was released. ANd thos items actually gave a massive advantage in actually playing the content, not only in cosmetics.

edit

dev q&a november 16th quote: With Isaiah Cartwright:

The gap we’ve talked about is more the game in time we everyone to have achievable goals that players can look forward to. Legendary are very long term goals and we want to make sure they are layered in with other interesting goals a player can accomplished while on their way to finishing a legendary.

I specially highlighted the quote.
Source :
http://www.guildwarsinsider.com/qa-with-isaiah-cartwright/

While Legendaries will be bumped to ascended stats when Ascended weapons come out……..The grind necessary for an Ascended weapon is preeeeetty much guarenteed to be much less than the grind for a Legendary.

So you’re going to be grinding a massive amount so you don’t have to grind a bit in the future, when new tiers come out?

Color me confused at why people insist they want a Legendary for their “BiS” status. The effort is just so not worth it.

Goldi, no item is essential in beating the game, hell not even AR is

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Goldi, no item is essential in beating the game, hell not even AR is

Try doing fractals level 20+ in blues.

What makes you think I havnt already? there is absolutely no reason why you wouldnt be able to, you highly overrestimate the diffrence blue – exotic makes.

Hell even been in runs that did ac with only a weapon equipped..

The only items that are even semi essential are agony resistant, and even then it ONLY applies to jade maw, and even then 1 person with the required AR is enough to pull you trough.

If your whole reasoning for keeping legendarys at a absurd gold price is that it isnt essential, I seriously suggest you come up with a hell of a lot better arguement then that non-sense.

goldi.3129:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Goldi, no item is essential in beating the game, hell not even AR is

Try doing fractals level 20+ in blues.

I went to 23 before getting my first AR.

Just the other day, I unintentionally did 30 with 0 AR.

Esplen.3940:

goldi.3129:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Goldi, no item is essential in beating the game, hell not even AR is

Try doing fractals level 20+ in blues.

I went to 23 before getting my first AR.

Just the other day, I unintentionally did 30 with 0 AR.

I bet your party loved you.

/does fractals with a leader who requires players to ping their AR
//experience makes me strongly approve of this practice

/does fractals in groups who purposly gimp themselves to get more challenge out of the content
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Most experienced players only need AR for Jade Maw, Mossman and Shaman, big woop if he forgot to equip his AR gear.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

What makes you think I havnt already? there is absolutely no reason why you wouldnt be able to, you highly overrestimate the diffrence blue – exotic makes.

Hell even been in runs that did ac with only a weapon equipped..

The only items that are even semi essential are agony resistant, and even then it ONLY applies to jade maw, and even then 1 person with the required AR is enough to pull you trough.

If your whole reasoning for keeping legendarys at a absurd gold price is that it isnt essential, I seriously suggest you come up with a hell of a lot better arguement then that non-sense.

Err. Yes. I will not argue on that level of what is essential and what is luxury with you as it obviously makes no sense.
Again I say read the thread and what I said, maybe you will see what I meant – as a polite discussion seems not possible with you.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

/does fractals who purposly gimp themselves to get more challenge out of the content
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Most experienced players only need AR for Jade Maw, Mossman and Shaman, big woop if he forgot to equip his AR gear.

You do know that Jade Maw outright kills you on 30 if you have no AR right? It’s possible to survive the agony with 0 AR on 20, but it generally doesn’t happen.

“Try doing fractals level 20+ in blues.”

you were being a smartass, and then get upset when you don’t get a “polite” discussion?

Also you seem to get insulted by the smallest things, quite often:

“I also will refrain from now on to answer posts that are just based around insults and emotions and completely lacking arguments.”

Infact, you even brought up lacking arguements in that one, which is ironic since you seem to be quite guilty of doing that yourself

Honestly if you act like a jerk in your replies, don’t expect me to handle you with silk gloves,

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

So what you’re saying is they need ascended items to do fractals 20+ then. Gotcha.

Pays to think your logic through before trying to attack others with it.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

“Try doing fractals level 20+ in blues.”

you were being a smartass, and then get upset when you don’t get a “polite” discussion?

Also you seem to get insulted by the smallest things, quite often:

“I also will refrain from now on to answer posts that are just based around insults and emotions and completely lacking arguments.”

Infact, you even brought up lacking arguements in that one, which is ironic since you seem to be quite guilty of doing that yourself

Honestly if you act like a jerk in your replies, don’t expect me to handle you with silk gloves,

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

Ok once and for all to show you the level on which you argument.

You CAN do everything in whites- so in your definition nothing would be essential.
You CAN go to work dressed in a potato sack- so everything beyond that would not be essential. It makes no sense to even try to argue on that level. And you might want to read your own post that was the base for my response you called “smartass”.
Ah well not worth it.

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

So what you’re saying is they need ascended items to do fractals 20+ then. Gotcha.

Pays to think your logic through before trying to attack others with it.

So cute to see someone grasping desperatly after straws.

I said most experienced players only need Ar for Jade maw etcetcetc, I never said It couldn’t be done without AR, Im curious how do you think people reached 50+ in fractal level pre-patch.

Pays to only get involved in discussions you actually have some knowledge about, buddy

Edit: Exactly goldi, you CAN go to work dressed in a potato sack, and a suit by a famous designer is no less essential then a suit made in mass at a factory.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

So what you’re saying is they need ascended items to do fractals 20+ then. Gotcha.

Pays to think your logic through before trying to attack others with it.

So cute to see someone grasping desperatly after straws.

I said most experienced players only need Ar for Jade maw etcetcetc, I never said It couldn’t be done without AR, Im curious how do you think people reached 50+ in fractal level pre-patch.

Pays to only get involved in discussions you actually have some knowledge about, buddy

Looks like you’re the sad one just making up things to try cover your mistakes. Too bad for you no one with any experience will buy it. Nice attempt to try paint others as “just not knowing enough” though.

You dun kittened up. Get over it and let it go.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

So what you’re saying is they need ascended items to do fractals 20+ then. Gotcha.

Pays to think your logic through before trying to attack others with it.

So cute to see someone grasping desperatly after straws.

I said most experienced players only need Ar for Jade maw etcetcetc, I never said It couldn’t be done without AR, Im curious how do you think people reached 50+ in fractal level pre-patch.

Pays to only get involved in discussions you actually have some knowledge about, buddy

Edit: Exactly goldi, you CAN go to work dressed in a potato sack, and a suit by a famous designer is no less essential then a suit made in mass at a factory.

Erm yes. Is it so hard to admit that you were wrong? You are only tightening the sling even further… Time to just ignore you sry.
But here is one for you to think about.
The suit (I didn’t bring up) is the luxury. Jeans and a shirt (which would be the equivalent to ecotics, everyone can get them for a normal price here) are the essentials there.

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

So what you’re saying is they need ascended items to do fractals 20+ then. Gotcha.

Pays to think your logic through before trying to attack others with it.

So cute to see someone grasping desperatly after straws.

I said most experienced players only need Ar for Jade maw etcetcetc, I never said It couldn’t be done without AR, Im curious how do you think people reached 50+ in fractal level pre-patch.

Pays to only get involved in discussions you actually have some knowledge about, buddy

Looks like you’re the sad one just making up things to try cover your mistakes. Too bad for you no one with any experience will buy it. Nice attempt to try paint others as “just not knowing enough” though.

You dun kittened up. Get over it and let it go.

Speaking of paint, you are doing a great job at painting yourself into a corner here Syeria..

As for “experienced” players beliving it, experienced fractal players don’t need to belive it, they already KNOW it from experience.

Seems I let myself get a bit to derailed into this fractal debate, My point however is that no item is truely essential, as such saying that the current legendary/precursor prices are fine because they arnt “essential” is pretty much incorrect.

Goldi, you have made no arguement that would in any way show that I am infact wrong, If you want to ignore me because you don’t agree with my point of view, that is perfectly fine with me, will prob keep this thread from derailing further.

However I would love to know why you consider jeans and a shirt to be essential.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

So what you’re saying is they need ascended items to do fractals 20+ then. Gotcha.

Pays to think your logic through before trying to attack others with it.

So cute to see someone grasping desperatly after straws.

I said most experienced players only need Ar for Jade maw etcetcetc, I never said It couldn’t be done without AR, Im curious how do you think people reached 50+ in fractal level pre-patch.

Pays to only get involved in discussions you actually have some knowledge about, buddy

Looks like you’re the sad one just making up things to try cover your mistakes. Too bad for you no one with any experience will buy it. Nice attempt to try paint others as “just not knowing enough” though.

You dun kittened up. Get over it and let it go.

Speaking of paint, you are doing a great job at painting yourself into a corner here Syeria..

As for “experienced” players beliving it, experienced fractal players don’t need to belive it, they already KNOW it from experience.

Seems I let myself get a bit to derailed into this fractal debate, My point however is that no item is truely essential, as such saying that the current legendary/precursor prices are fine because they arnt “essential” is pretty much incorrect.

Goldi, you have made no arguement that would in any way show that I am infact wrong, If you want to ignore me because you don’t agree with my point of view, that is perfectly fine with me, will prob keep this thread from derailing further.

However I would love to know why you consider jeans and a shirt to be essential.

Try going to work in a potato sack and you will see it?
And the jeans are just an example for something easly obtained and required.

And my argument about luxury still stands as of the definition by luxury posted in this thread that you have completely ignored.
And sorry but your point of “nothing in the game is essential” is just hypocracy and really ends every discussion because it makes- like i stated and provided with real life examples- no sense at all.
As after that definition in the real world everything beside air, water and bread would be luxury as well. That is philosphy and not an argument that you can in any means say when I state that legendaries are a luxury because they fit 2 points of the afore mentioned definition. That was my last try to make you see that what you wrote is… what you wrote…

When will people understand already that the current legendary prices will remain high no matter what?

Easier precursor will backlash at the T6 mats and lodes, while other way around will backlash at the precursor prices going even higher.

There are no winners here, work for your kitten legendary or DON’T get it!!

I would love to see someone go to work in a potato sack, however, now that we have established a jeans and a shirt isn’t “essential.” But by fixiating on this narrow definition, you’re missing the entire point, and missing the entire context.

If we use the strictest definition of “essential,” yes, gear isn’t “essential” at all. You can do the entire game naked for all that matters.

However to do so you’re doing things in a completely impractical manner. While possible, you’d be stupid to do fractals +20 in blue equipment. That is why gear itself isn’t a luxury, because they directly affect your functionality through stats, and impact your overall efficiency.

Legendaries don’t. Therefore, they are a luxury.

Stop working in absolutes. Of course nothing is absolutely “necessary.” But just because nothing is “necessary” doesn’t mean everything is a “luxury,” because to do so you’re completely ignoring the vast number of items inbetween that actually have an affect on your character’s gameplay, while not being, in the strictest definition of the term, necessary.

Firegoth.6427:

Easier precursor will backlash at the T6 mats and lodes, while other way around will backlash at the precursor prices going even higher.

There’s a lot of truth to this. While I don’t think cheaper precursors will have much of an effect on the T6 market (since it’s simply massive), you would absolutely see it drive up the prices in the lodestone markets.

You’d also see it drive down the prices of T5 fine materials and heavy bags, which have a pretty strong dependence on precursor prices. There’s an interdependence on T5 fine, ecto, and precursor prices that isn’t at all trivial, but I’d have to imagine there’d be a noticeable effect on each. Cheaper T5 materials would hurt a lot of people’s incomes, particularly Shelter’s Gate farmers.

Ultimately, cheaper precursors would shift the cost from a giant chunk of gold that’s funding mystic forge gambling to incremental costs that pay dungeon runners. I think that would be a good change on the whole, as incremental rewards feel a whole lot better – but it’s not going to have a huge effect on the total price in the end.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

So what you’re saying is they need ascended items to do fractals 20+ then. Gotcha.

Pays to think your logic through before trying to attack others with it.

So cute to see someone grasping desperatly after straws.

I said most experienced players only need Ar for Jade maw etcetcetc, I never said It couldn’t be done without AR, Im curious how do you think people reached 50+ in fractal level pre-patch.

Pays to only get involved in discussions you actually have some knowledge about, buddy

Looks like you’re the sad one just making up things to try cover your mistakes. Too bad for you no one with any experience will buy it. Nice attempt to try paint others as “just not knowing enough” though.

You dun kittened up. Get over it and let it go.

Speaking of paint, you are doing a great job at painting yourself into a corner here Syeria..

As for “experienced” players beliving it, experienced fractal players don’t need to belive it, they already KNOW it from experience.

Seems I let myself get a bit to derailed into this fractal debate, My point however is that no item is truely essential, as such saying that the current legendary/precursor prices are fine because they arnt “essential” is pretty much incorrect.

Goldi, you have made no arguement that would in any way show that I am infact wrong, If you want to ignore me because you don’t agree with my point of view, that is perfectly fine with me, will prob keep this thread from derailing further.

However I would love to know why you consider jeans and a shirt to be essential.

Since you’re apparently enjoying yourself in your own little world, let me just directly phrase this:

Can a group of players complete fractal level 100 without agony resistance?

Syeria.4812:

Since you’re apparently enjoying yourself in your own little world, let me just directly phrase this:

Can a group of players complete fractal level 100 without agony resistance?

Lets be honest here. The answer is obviously yes. Who needs agony resistance when you have potato sacks?

Anet I will totes buy gems from you if you give me a potato sack town cloth.