Guild Wars 2

There is a certain individual (won’t say name here as its against rules) in map chat lambasting TP traders if they talk about their methods to make money and such and also witch hunting people using profanity when its not directed at them in malice like, “Oh Shi- I goofed!” Like talk. (totally other topic/issue I’ll leave aside for another day.)

I was talking about being able to buy 3000 bags at orders of 3.10 s each (I have nearly 100g) and supposedly misused the term flipping, as I open the bags and sell the t6 mats by listing at lowest seller or find a price higher that is favorable and is able to be reached if prices rise. The t5 mats I use to make rare daggers (or other lv 80 rares) and sell on the TP. Supposedly this warrants a report and ban now?

I know kitten kittening well that what I’m doing is a risk of a huge loss due to RNG and such and also I’m at the whim of the market when re-listing (note that I’m not undercutting at all, I’m actually placing at lowest seller or higher.) I am not buying precursors and selling at a higher price and no way in hell selling my gold to players or botting or anything.

And people like that jerk I’m not naming is fitting to report people for using the TP normally.

And if I try to defend myself, I get a, “You want to be reported again Yumi?”

I ignore them. It’s the same type of person who compares farmers with exploiters/bots.

Generally these people are just jealous that they’re not bright enough to make gold. So they want to bring you down to their level and share misery.

It’s no different in real life when the average person complains about bankers/CEOs making millions, or when a corporation turns a profit. They’re just jealous that they don’t make that much money and instead of doing something about it, they just complain.

/15char

Ignore them.

Yeah put one on block. Just giving a heads up. And just keep making money guys! Only way we are going to get our legendaries.

I respect the traders. I know full well that they are one of the reasons a lot of the items in the trading post have a stable predictable pattern. Keep up the good work keeping the economy somewhat stable. Same with the farmers.

I could be a trader if I wished I think I have the basic know how I just don’t want to sit and spend my time trading.

Should have told them yes and kept talking about it. Then you should have sent a trouble ticket with screenshot evidence and they may have gotten themselves a week suspension for making reports with malicious intent (Which can actually earn you a perma-ban).

At that, no, most people do not care enough to get that angry over power traders. The issue comes in with the people who control T6 materials and Precursors; often running the prices up and out of price range of your casual player and sometimes even your hardcore players. It is annoying and somewhat abusive. Still though, abusive comments and malicious reports on even those players are unacceptable and should be reported themselves.

My only regret is that I don’t enjoy playing Trader Wars 2 enough to force myself to do it to make profit. Sure, I score a couple hundred gold every month or so based on investments I make on the side, but I just can’t bring myself to stand in front of the TP all day long and flip until I go to sleep.

If someone’s giving you trouble, report them and move on.

I consider myself a long term trader and I make predictions and trades based on what I feel an item is going to do in the coming months. It takes a lot less of my time and can still turn a huge profit.

For example with everyone farming southsun instead of cursed shore – dust production has plummeted. Predicting this I made a handy profit as soon as the panic buying happened. Same thing with Rosemary Sprig, which has gone up 600%. There are little gems in the market like this everywhere and correctly predicting where the price will go can make a handy profit.

I do thank you for holding the price of bags higher, often I don’t want to take the time or risk opening them (silk again!) and just might sell them on the trading post for some immediate coin.

And yes what you arn’t doing is flipping because you are adding value.

How can people complain about profanity, when there’s a profanity filter built into the game! If they don’t like it, they should use the kitten filter!!

Draygo.9473:

I consider myself a long term trader and I make predictions and trades based on what I feel an item is going to do in the coming months. It takes a lot less of my time and can still turn a huge profit.

For example with everyone farming southsun instead of cursed shore – dust production has plummeted. Predicting this I made a handy profit as soon as the panic buying happened. Same thing with Rosemary Sprig, which has gone up 600%. There are little gems in the market like this everywhere and correctly predicting where the price will go can make a handy profit.

I do thank you for holding the price of bags higher, often I don’t want to take the time or risk opening them (silk again!) and just might sell them on the trading post for some immediate coin.

And yes what you arn’t doing is flipping because you are adding value.

Yeah exactly that. I’m usually hoping for materials to go up by a silver or two (as it usually does due to normal weekly fluctuations), but I list at the last seller to keep prices stable. Occasionally I’ll spot a possible price gap further up that can be used to make more than just matching sellers when prices do rise.

And yeah, use the filter if you don’t like it. I’m going to still say, “kitten undercutters!”

ChuckUFarley.1637:

How can people complain about profanity, when there’s a profanity filter built into the game! If they don’t like it, they should use the kitten filter!!

Not to open a debate on this issue again but profanity is against the rules of conduct and is punishable offense. The purpose of the filter is so the game can get a Teen/PEGI-12 rating.

Buying unfinished products (even bags which you open) and somehow turning thrm into something different, even thriugh RNG, is still a viae strategy.
When people complain about me ruining the economy, i say somsrhing along the lines:
People are throwing money away, i might aswell stand there to catch it.

Sarcasm and acting nonchalant are their greatest weaknesses.
Also, if they use profanity you might aswell report them.

Report them for verbal abuse and collect your profits from the TP.

Reloading.3260:

Vol.5241:

It’s no different in real life when the average person complains about bankers/CEOs making millions, or when a corporation turns a profit. They’re just jealous that they don’t make that much money and instead of doing something about it, they just complain.

Or it could be that people just generally dislike greedy parasites who try to make money off the hard work of others and don’t produce or contribute anything to society themselves.

Hey you can’t blame certain people for exploiting the stupidity of others. Those so-called parasites only exist because people don’t know how to handle their money. Furthermore, a whole lot of those people you brand as greedy parasites actually contribute a lot to society, and are justly rewarded for it. A CEO giving a job to several thousand people has a honest right to earn a few million euros a year.

In-game it’s just because people don’t take the time and effort to properly price their goods on the TP. There’s intelligent people combing the gold that’s being wasted on the TP. I can’t and won’t blame them. Take this bag thing for example. Someone has to buy them and convert them into materials. If this “flipper” didn’t buy them, there’d be millions of bags sitting there at vendor price, which would be stupid. On the other hand, material prices would be through the roof which is equally silly. People selling bags are effectively paying flippers to convert those into materials. As such, they provide a valuable service to bag sellers and material buyers.

marnick.4305:

Reloading.3260:

Vol.5241:

It’s no different in real life when the average person complains about bankers/CEOs making millions, or when a corporation turns a profit. They’re just jealous that they don’t make that much money and instead of doing something about it, they just complain.

Or it could be that people just generally dislike greedy parasites who try to make money off the hard work of others and don’t produce or contribute anything to society themselves.

Hey you can’t blame certain people for exploiting the stupidity of others. Those so-called parasites only exist because people don’t know how to handle their money. Furthermore, a whole lot of those people you brand as greedy parasites actually contribute a lot to society, and are justly rewarded for it. A CEO giving a job to several thousand people has a honest right to earn a few million euros a year.

In-game it’s just because people don’t take the time and effort to properly price their goods on the TP. There’s intelligent people combing the gold that’s being wasted on the TP. I can’t and won’t blame them. Take this bag thing for example. Someone has to buy them and convert them into materials. If this “flipper” didn’t buy them, there’d be millions of bags sitting there at vendor price, which would be stupid. On the other hand, material prices would be through the roof which is equally silly. People selling bags are effectively paying flippers to convert those into materials. As such, they provide a valuable service to bag sellers and material buyers.

Everyone loves to hate on CEOs for some reason. Sure, there can be pretty bad ones, but they are paid millions for a reason. More often than not they have the vision and expertise to oversee the operations of a company in their industry. They have to be properly compensated, otherwise you risk having an incompetent person at the helm who could more than likely destroy the company (and result in layoffs as well)

In GW2 terms, people who play the TP aren’t exploiting people and scamming anyone. They are reacting to game/economy changes and making money off that. More than often this is about smarts, with a little bit of luck. People who hate on them are just jealous that they will never have the time or the mental/time capacity to take advantage of such a situation.

Vol.5241:

Everyone loves to hate on CEOs for some reason..

I would reason to say that’s b/c once a company gets to the level where a CEO is needed that company becomes more based around profits and efficiency than anything else. That includes not benefiting employees if it comes in any conflict with maximizing profits. While an employees might not receive a bonus on which they rely in slow times (or even laid off), you can bet your bottom dollar the CEO will get a large one, that tbh they don’t really need. Ofc there are exceptions, but for the most part…business as usual.

Essence Snow.3194:

Vol.5241:

Everyone loves to hate on CEOs for some reason..

I would reason to say that’s b/c once a company gets to the level where a CEO is needed that company becomes more based around profits and efficiency than anything else. That includes not benefiting employees if it comes in any conflict with maximizing profits. While an employees might not receive a bonus on which they rely in slow times (or even laid off), you can bet your bottom dollar the CEO will get a large one, that tbh they don’t really need. Ofc there are exceptions, but for the most part…business as usual.

Nearly every company out there, public or private operates on the notion of self-sustainability. No company out there is going to put itself in a position that would threaten it’s existence – even non-profits.

That’s the job of the CEO. That may mean having to make necessary cutbacks and uncomfortable decisions, but he has to make the call. Money is priority.

Just because a CEO doesn’t need a bonus doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be rewarded with it. More than likely that bonus was negotiated into the contract upon employment. After all, if you are in high-demand for your skills and expertise, wouldn’t it make sense to ask the most out of a company? I’m sure everyone would want a CEO to be awarded stock options instead of bonuses, but if you are talented enough, you will get what you want.

Anyways, I’m rambling off-topic.

TP traders are legit.

I would just Visually LOL them , I’m a stirrer, Let them make idiots of themselves,

Vol.5241:

Essence Snow.3194:

Vol.5241:

Everyone loves to hate on CEOs for some reason..

I would reason to say that’s b/c once a company gets to the level where a CEO is needed that company becomes more based around profits and efficiency than anything else. That includes not benefiting employees if it comes in any conflict with maximizing profits. While an employees might not receive a bonus on which they rely in slow times (or even laid off), you can bet your bottom dollar the CEO will get a large one, that tbh they don’t really need. Ofc there are exceptions, but for the most part…business as usual.

Nearly every company out there, public or private operates on the notion of self-sustainability. No company out there is going to put itself in a position that would threaten it’s existence – even non-profits.

That’s the job of the CEO. That may mean having to make necessary cutbacks and uncomfortable decisions, but he has to make the call. Money is priority.

Just because a CEO doesn’t need a bonus doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be rewarded with it. More than likely that bonus was negotiated into the contract upon employment. After all, if you are in high-demand for your skills and expertise, wouldn’t it make sense to ask the most out of a company? I’m sure everyone would want a CEO to be awarded stock options instead of bonuses, but if you are talented enough, you will get what you want.

Anyways, I’m rambling off-topic.

TP traders are legit.

If you look at the core of what jobs are….of what businesses are….they are ways of producing a means to obtain things one cannot or do not want to achieve themselves due to many number of reasons. They exist to provide for people not the other way around. Once a job or a business puts itself above providing for those that enable it….it becomes at the fundamental level, flawed.

Yes, I have a moral objection to CEO’s getting massive bonuses while multitudes of lower level employees are being laid off due to economic lulls. Even if I were as short sighted, I still wouldn’t give myself desert while my kids go hungry. I simply couldn’t handle knowing I took more (when I didn’t need) when others were denied due to lack of what I took.

I have no objection to CEO’s or similar high level executives getting paid well for what they do. I just feel that there is a certain point where the amount of remuneration starts to get excessive. Say you make $3,000,000 a year. Seriously, what on earth are you going to DO with that kind of money? Spend it on private jets? Buy cars as presents for your friends? There comes a point where people start spending money just because they have nothing better to do with it.

Essence Snow.3194:

Vol.5241:

Everyone loves to hate on CEOs for some reason..

I would reason to say that’s b/c once a company gets to the level where a CEO is needed that company becomes more based around profits and efficiency than anything else. That includes not benefiting employees if it comes in any conflict with maximizing profits. While an employees might not receive a bonus on which they rely in slow times (or even laid off), you can bet your bottom dollar the CEO will get a large one, that tbh they don’t really need. Ofc there are exceptions, but for the most part…business as usual.

And that’s why I work for a company that’s not on the stock market. In the company I work for, everyone gets a bonus when profits are high. “Everyone” also means including interns and cleaning staff.

Furthermore, why do you presume it’s up to you to decide whether that CEO needs the bonus or not… Who gave you that right?

Essence Snow.3194:

Vol.5241:

Essence Snow.3194:

Vol.5241:

Everyone loves to hate on CEOs for some reason..

I would reason to say that’s b/c once a company gets to the level where a CEO is needed that company becomes more based around profits and efficiency than anything else. That includes not benefiting employees if it comes in any conflict with maximizing profits. While an employees might not receive a bonus on which they rely in slow times (or even laid off), you can bet your bottom dollar the CEO will get a large one, that tbh they don’t really need. Ofc there are exceptions, but for the most part…business as usual.

Nearly every company out there, public or private operates on the notion of self-sustainability. No company out there is going to put itself in a position that would threaten it’s existence – even non-profits.

That’s the job of the CEO. That may mean having to make necessary cutbacks and uncomfortable decisions, but he has to make the call. Money is priority.

Just because a CEO doesn’t need a bonus doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be rewarded with it. More than likely that bonus was negotiated into the contract upon employment. After all, if you are in high-demand for your skills and expertise, wouldn’t it make sense to ask the most out of a company? I’m sure everyone would want a CEO to be awarded stock options instead of bonuses, but if you are talented enough, you will get what you want.

Anyways, I’m rambling off-topic.

TP traders are legit.

If you look at the core of what jobs are….of what businesses are….they are ways of producing a means to obtain things one cannot or do not want to achieve themselves due to many number of reasons. They exist to provide for people not the other way around. Once a job or a business puts itself above providing for those that enable it….it becomes at the fundamental level, flawed.

Yes, I have a moral objection to CEO’s getting massive bonuses while multitudes of lower level employees are being laid off due to economic lulls. Even if I were as short sighted, I still wouldn’t give myself desert while my kids go hungry. I simply couldn’t handle knowing I took more (when I didn’t need) when others were denied due to lack of what I took.

As mentioned previously, these bonuses more often negotiated before hand, often for meeting certain metrics, such as reducing overhead by 5%, raising seasonal sales (or even reducing losses). If you had a clause in your contract that rewarded you money – why in the hell would you refuse it? Yes I agree with you, it looks unfair that people get laid off but the higher-up’s make money. But it was a clause negotiated before hand. You’re throwing way thousands of dollars just so that you can look good in front of the public?

Zaxares.5419:

I have no objection to CEO’s or similar high level executives getting paid well for what they do. I just feel that there is a certain point where the amount of remuneration starts to get excessive. Say you make $3,000,000 a year. Seriously, what on earth are you going to DO with that kind of money? Spend it on private jets? Buy cars as presents for your friends? There comes a point where people start spending money just because they have nothing better to do with it.

Well I honestly don’t think anyone out there is worth that much money, except for presidents/prime ministers as well as the ministers who handle banking/economy.

But in spirit of the BLTC, everything revolves around supply/demand.

Companies are always in the hunt for top talent, and those that are publicly traded are willing to pay top dollar for it. Demand of talented people is always high (they can fill CEO-candidates in director or VP positions) while the supply is very low. Is he worth it? No. But companies are willing to overpay.

A great example is in sports – specifically, a MLB player named Vernon Wells. He signed a massive contract and immediately after he played like kitten. People hated on him and booed him mercilessly. But he never complained and always showed up to work and gave his effort. But he did something no other big-name player did. He himself admitted that he wasn’t worth the hundreds of millions that he signed for. But he also said that if someone offers you that much money, you’re stupid to not take it.

I’m sure that if anyone here were offered millions to work as a CEO, of say, Monsanto (the most evil company in existence), they’d take it

marnick.4305:

Furthermore, why do you presume it’s up to you to decide whether that CEO needs the bonus or not… Who gave you that right?

Basically b/c it obvious? Need=/=Deserve. Common sense and half a wit gave the ability and the laws of nature gave me the right