Guild Wars 2

Is there any way of predicting the Dusk market or is it completely in the hands of the few that control it & also if Arenanet make any announcements on pre cursor drop rates?

In the current market would you sell up and risk getting it for cheaper later on down the line, or hang onto it and play the waiting game?

Cheers.

There’s a decent chance of it plummeting on the 28th if precursors become available through laurels. However, there was also a decent chance of dyes plummeting when it was basically confirmed that they were available for laurels and they actually went up due to the bot ban wave (probably).

Sell it for the value you place on it. If selling dusk would triple your money, then I’d sell it. If it would give you another 1%, then maybe hang on to it. You might lose out on 100G by waiting, you might gain 100G.

I’m pretty sure Colin stated that there will be other ways to get a precursor, not including the scavenger hunt.

I think precursors will probably drop in price. There’s no way ANet is going to keep them this expensive.

Honestly, the really interesting thing is whether T6 mats will go up when the precursor scavenger hunt comes out, since then more people will be able to get a precursor.

Facts:

-Precursors will NOT be available for Laurels (Colin clearly said that in a post).
-There will not be a fixed recipe any time soon (unless someone from Anet lied somewhere or intentionally didn’t mention this even when asked directly).
-There will be a small chance to get it in certain places in the world soon (might be 28th might be in February) until Scavenger hunt that is in April or later. Those places can be Dragons, certain events, certain bosses (maybe even inside Arah), JPs (we don’t know yet and I’m not sure they will even mention where they add them in the 28th release notes, if it’s happening then).

Opinions:
It’s not dropping in price, not by much, I find this TO SUCK VERY MUCH. They admit there’s a problem, they know fixing it right will take them 5+ more months (they knew it’s bad since before Karka), they refuse to add any temporary fix and just plan to add a few more places where you can “get it, but it’s a small chance” (paraphrasing MMOFTW video from 18th) when they know this won’t fix anything at all and just force a few more ppl into trying to grind those spots for Mystic Forge-like chances (at least it wont cost gold).

I’m waiting to be proven wrong … maybe if the drop rate is something like 2-4% from each dragon and each really hard JP (I’m looking at Griffonrook run and the one in Malchor’s leap + a few others) and each Temple in Orr and each Meta event (all done at lvl 80). Then we are talking drop rates similar to Warglaives from WoW except it won’t have 1 attempt/week .

Kain Nosgoth.4218:

Facts:

-Precursors will NOT be available for Laurels (Colin clearly said that in a post).
-There will not be a fixed recipe any time soon (unless someone from Anet lied somewhere or intentionally didn’t mention this even when asked directly).
-There will be a small chance to get it in certain places in the world soon (might be 28th might be in February) until Scavenger hunt that is in April or later. Those places can be Dragons, certain events, certain bosses (maybe even inside Arah), JPs (we don’t know yet and I’m not sure they will even mention where they add them in the 28th release notes, if it’s happening then).

Opinions:
It’s not dropping in price, not by much, I find this TO SUCK VERY MUCH. They admit there’s a problem, they know fixing it right will take them 5+ more months (they knew it’s bad since before Karka), they refuse to add any temporary fix and just plan to add a few more places where you can “get it, but it’s a small chance” (paraphrasing MMOFTW video from 18th) when they know this won’t fix anything at all and just force a few more ppl into trying to grind those spots for Mystic Forge-like chances (at least it wont cost gold).

I’m waiting to be proven wrong … maybe if the drop rate is something like 2-4% from each dragon and each really hard JP (I’m looking at Griffonrook run and the one in Malchor’s leap + a few others) and each Temple in Orr and each Meta event (all done at lvl 80). Then we are talking drop rates similar to Warglaives from WoW except it won’t have 1 attempt/week .

2-4% is way too high. That’s way higher than the exotic drop rate as it stands.

also, Mesmer portals for JP. That won’t happen.

I think that the precusors are not going to go down in price anytime soon. For some inexplicable reason, ANet likes having a random gate to prevent people from building a legendary.

Apparently making a few people feel special is better than having many people be happy.

Economically speaking, unless they do something to drastically shift, the supply of precursors, holding onto Dusk should be a good hedge against future inflation.

Vol.5241:

2-4% is way too high. That’s way higher than the exotic drop rate as it stands.

also, Mesmer portals for JP. That won’t happen.

4% at the end of the JP in Malchor’s leap (it takes 1h and you need to gather 12 items etc) is not that high IF the precursors (or tokens for them) are account bound and you need to be lvl 80 to have a chance at the drop.

Also they should be adjusting that exotic drop rate anyway (and probably will).

Or crafting recipes (for each precursor) that are also account bound and create account bound precursors – recipe you need to find 3-5% drop from something mesmers or not – and THEN you need 1 Naegling and 1 bloodstone shard and 1 Eldricth scroll and 250 Elonian Wine or something to craft Dusk with WEAPONSMITHING and it comes out soulbound.

Specific dungeon gifts, 4 of them (different mix for each legendary) + 1 lookalike weapon + some skill pts + some gold (buying crafting recipe for the dungeon gift mixing from Miyani)+having to find your precursor recipe with 2-5% drop.

All this takes as far as coding goes is adding 20 more drops to JPs loot tables and 20 crafting recipes (or 40 if using dungeon gifts as well). You can’t sell stuff so no point in repeatedly farming JPs with mesmers to sell more precursors, you need to find your recipe and get 65g+300 skill pts (or dungeon gifts or something else that won’t affect the economy and will be worth less than 250g total).

It was very vague but “we will be adding places where you have a really small chance at getting precursors” is just bad if it is what it sounds like. You have what, 1% at getting a random precursor from a dragon with 3 of them available every 4h and with a zillion ppl now farming them and lagging (not to mention culling) and never getting nothing yourself. Sure it will lower prices but by how much, how fast…if they pull of a perfect % for drops to lower prices of everything at around 250g (and keep it there) it will be like observing asteroid collisions (1 or 2 of them that we know about in 65 million years). Even it works it will take ages to stabilize and by then they might tie in precursors with achievements somehow (in March of Feb maybe) or SH will be out…..oh yea they addressed this issue perfectly here (sarcasm).

There are a few ways that could prove me wrong so going to calmly wait 5 more days (when the release notes will mention nothing about this cuz it’s probably all happening in February….daaaaamnnnnnn itttttt).

Holy wall of text, need to take another long forum break.

The only thing I have to say about “Pre Cursor”

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Gilosean.3805:

I think precursors will probably drop in price. There’s no way ANet is going to keep them this expensive.

Honestly, the really interesting thing is whether T6 mats will go up when the precursor scavenger hunt comes out, since then more people will be able to get a precursor.

Afaik Mr. Smith sees no problem with the legendary prices atm.

Wish everyone would shut up about the ‘Scavenger hunt’ – Its not coming for at LEAST another 3 months!

Kain Nosgoth.4218:

-There will not be a fixed recipe any time soon (unless someone from Anet lied somewhere or intentionally didn’t mention this even when asked directly).

A recipe would be pointless, as it would only drive up the cost of the mats until the casuals start complaining that those are controlled by the elite, or bots, or the ghost of Shiro Tagachi, or whatever bogeyman they choose to blame their lack of progress on.

Fixed recipe doesn’t mean mystic coins and orichalcum. It can mean dungeon gifts (1-8 mixed into 1 new gift), bloodstone shard(s) (or multiple scrolls) it can even contain 1x random drop item shared between precursors (with a higher than 0.000000002% drop rate) or multiple of these random drop precursor shards dropping from puzzles or dragons. All this requires is still adding 1 thing to some drop tables and a few MF recipes.

If they made a recipe based on earning soulbound materials, chances are that it would involve just as much time grinding for that stuff as you would grinding for gold. And for it to work as you theorize, once you set down the path of earning it this way, it would have to be all or nothing. You would not be able to use the TP to help get the drops you didn’t get on your own. The casuals would be even less likely to get a precursor/legendary this way. Again, unless Anet reduces the challenge to the point where pretty much everyone gets them for free and the item subsequently isn’t even worth having.

Leablo.2651:

If they made a recipe based on earning soulbound materials, chances are that it would involve just as much time grinding for that stuff as you would grinding for gold.

Except it would be calculated to take the same time as grinding 250g not 640.

And even casuals can be asked to do 1 dungeon /day for 2 months.

And if everyone that isn’t ultra casual can get it like this so the prices drop for everyone else.

And if they are so casual they will wait for Scavenger Hunt anyway or not even try it.

Besides, more ways to get things are always good (unless they ruin the economy somehow). AND IT’S STILL EASY TO IMPLEMENT.

Kain Nosgoth.4218:

Except it would be calculated to take the same time as grinding 250g not 640.

Oh, I didn’t realize you were a game designer at Anet. My bad.

Haha?! Didn’t they publicly admit that precursors were to high in price back when it was 350g for Dusk, exactly why they the did the (wrong)“free precursors from Karka event” move? I’m not making stuff up (when I am I point it out).

A tiny minority of participants got a precursor during Lost Shores, to my knowledge at the same chance as any other precursor source, at the end of a 3-hour grindfest. It was not a handout. We were guaranteed 20-slot bags, so does that mean Anet thinks the vendor NPCs are manipulating rune prices too much? As far as I know, the quality of loot was designed to be part of the epicness of the event, not a specific relief for any market. If you have a statement from Anet claiming otherwise, please link it.

From what I’ve read, every indication is that Anet believes precursors should be a little less RNG, not less expensive or time-consuming, which is why they’re working on the scavenger hunt solution as opposed to simply increasing the drop rate. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the scavenger hunt is the soulbound recipe. As in, send you around the world grinding for 250 of this and 250 of that and then forge your precursor with it.

Leablo.2651:

*SNIP*pretty much everyone gets them for free and the item subsequently isn’t even worth having.

You know, some people want things not because they want to lord it over those who don’t, but because they actually like it themselves.

I don’t think it’s psychologically healthy for ANet to be feeding the kind of people who only feel good when they’re flaunting what they have over people who don’t have it. (crass bullies)

While people are willing to pay for precursors, the price will still or increase.
The problem here is that a lot of ppl think that the only way to get gold is grinding and grinding, there are a lot of ways to get gold and you just need to use your brain and think

AndresR.4532:

While people are willing to pay for precursors, the price will still or increase.
The problem here is that a lot of ppl think that the only way to get gold is grinding and grinding, there are a lot of ways to get gold and you just need to use your brain and think

The problem here is ppl play the game to play the game not make investments into halloween skins and bank them for 4 months to quadruple their money to afford 1 vanity item. (Or worse, market manipulate or a more tedious version to flip items and in the process reduce the chances of normal players of actually getting their orders filled…ever).

Stop trying to prove/convince ppl paying 600g (or more) for a precursor is ok just because some ppl can pay and are willing to do it . (and 600 is already an artificial price since we have devs admitting to market manipulation).

I think there are about 4 ppl that keep posting everywhere how this is perfectly ok and they don’t mind. The minority of the voiced minority of the large number of players that cba to forum and complain about this.

Also, just when I thought this can’t be any worse I find out NCsoft had this problem before in other games and added the limited supply items to a vendor for a fixed price to stop the market manipulation. The fact that we will probably have to wait for the last item for a legendary for 4 more months when they could have gone with the middle ground (a fixed recipe from soulbound things that takes between 2 to 8 weeks depending on what type of player you are) is just bad.

Side note: Yes, I know Anet mostly does their own thing, and yes besides the lack of tangible rewards from many of the activities (for now) and this important “end game” goal being broken this is a great game (you don’t see me complaining about anything else).

AndresR.4532:

Kain Nosgoth.4218:

AndresR.4532:

While people are willing to pay for precursors, the price will still or increase.
The problem here is that a lot of ppl think that the only way to get gold is grinding and grinding, there are a lot of ways to get gold and you just need to use your brain and think

The problem here is ppl play the game to play the game not make investments into halloween skins and bank them for 4 months to quadruple their money to afford 1 vanity item. (Or worse, market manipulate or a more tedious version to flip items and in the process reduce the chances of normal players of actually getting their orders filled…ever).

Stop trying to prove/convince ppl paying 600g (or more) for a precursor is ok just because some ppl can pay and are willing to do it . (and 600 is already an artificial price since we have devs admitting to market manipulation).

I think there are about 4 ppl that keep posting everywhere how this is perfectly ok and they don’t mind. The minority of the voiced minority of the large number of players that cba to forum and complain about this.

Also, just when I thought this can’t be any worse I find out NCsoft had this problem before in other games and added the limited supply items to a vendor for a fixed price to stop the market manipulation. The fact that we will probably have to wait for the last item for a legendary for 4 more months when they could have gone with the middle ground (a fixed recipe from soulbound things that takes between 2 to 8 weeks depending on what type of player you are) is just bad.

Side note: Yes, I know Anet mostly does their own thing, and yes besides the lack of tangible rewards from many of the activities (for now) and this important “end game” goal being broken this is a great game (you don’t see me complaining about anything else).

the problem here is that legendary are just cosmetic items are not necessary to do a better wvw/pve so if u don´t like the prices go and find the item by yourself, risk at mystic forge or wait the drop
GW2 is a very complex game if you just play for play, maybe you are in the wrong game, also nobody can tell you how to play since you have bought the game and have all the right to play how you like, but in the same form some people have fun with the trading post (btw i don´t have any precursor to sell, just have 10 gold atm but i understand those people) and since they aren´t do any illegal, maybe not ethical, Anet can´t do nothing direct to the market (indirect they can increase the drop of precursor o ask for fewer materials to craft it)
PD: im not trying to convince anyhting, just show how the game is

Market manipulation should be exterminated. Flipping items and stacking on things that will rise in value is perfectly fine and yes it can be fun. Anet could influence whatever the hell they want (but shouldn’t and won’t). What they should do is add different ways of obtaining things to kill market manipulation (and they are but it will take months and in the meanwhile they choose to ignore it or just marginally increase supply which won’t do anything).

That’s how the game is but it doesn’t mean it’s how it should be or how it was intended to be (exactly why they are making changes).

The only complaint about precursors is it takes to long atm (so long that with current trends you can’t even get it unless you play in a certain way that isn’t fun for the majority since it keeps rising) and waiting the promised fix will take even longer than just grinding the unreasonable amount (when a more reasonable fix was just as easy to add).

Good news everyone! In 6 months from now I’ll be exactly in the right game and I’ll also turn into a large sum investor (keeping items that can only rise in price, which isn’t market manipulation) and that will also be very fun. This was always what I was planning on.

Kain Nosgoth.4218:

Market manipulation should be exterminated. Flipping items and stacking on things that will rise in value is perfectly fine and yes it can be fun. Anet could influence whatever the hell they want (but shouldn’t and won’t). What they should do is add different ways of obtaining things to kill market manipulation (and they are but it will take months and in the meanwhile they choose to ignore it or just marginally increase supply which won’t do anything).

That’s how the game is but it doesn’t mean it’s how it should be or how it was intended to be (exactly why they are making changes).

The only complaint about precursors is it takes to long atm (so long that with current trends you can’t even get it unless you play in a certain way that isn’t fun for the majority since it keeps rising) and waiting the promised fix will take even longer than just grinding the unreasonable amount (when a more reasonable fix was just as easy to add).

Good news everyone! In 6 months from now I’ll be exactly in the right game and I’ll also turn into a large sum investor (keeping items that can only rise in price, which isn’t market manipulation) and that will also be very fun. This was always what I was planning on.

Reading through your walls of propaganda has been one of the most frustrating and annoying experiences of my time on these forums.

Your posts are littered with hypocrisy. Note how you start off slamming those who invested in halloween skins only to end your next post proclaiming this will be you in a few months. Good luck with that considering the logic and lack of rationality you have shown on this thread.

Secondly, you seem to proclaim you speak for the majority. That’s rubbish. If I proclaimed myself to be the King Of England I would have as much legitimacy.

Third, you argue by assertion, at worse acting as if your a game developer. You flat out shot down someone’s viable and well thought out argument with a made up statement about how the new scavenger hunt will be designed around precursors being worth 250g. YOu have absolutely no way to know this. Your best reason for this is that one designer sympathised with people concerned over precursor prices 3 months ago. 250g then was worth far more than 250g now.

Fourth, you consistently argue people should be allowed to play how they want, yet you simultaneously argue for them to play how you want! Note how you advocate the banning of flipping, investing and grinding because you think they are ‘wrong and boring.’

Fifth, you assume we all want lgebdaries for the same reason. You want them for looks, therefore everyone should be able to get them easily since ‘thats all that matters.’ If I wanted a common item I would buy a cheap exotic off the TP. No, I want a rare item that is hard to get so please stop proclaiming to talk for me.

Sixth, you suggest anyone against your ideas is in the minority. I am not one to the magical four (a number you plucked out of thin air to suit your already artificial argument). There are far far far more people fine with the current price, and even less wanting it to be decreased.

Finally, you have a completely warped idea of the extent of market manipulation. I know why this is – because it is a convenient excuse to make you feel better alongside supporting your argument.

Rant over – please be more rational. Your opinions (and they are your opinons, not the facts you proclaim them to be) are fine but you express them in a horrible way

“Note how you start off slamming those who invested in halloween skins only to end your next post proclaiming this will be you in a few months.”

There was no slamming. What I meant was that long term investments should not be the only viable way of having enough currency to obtain something in a reasonable amount of time. (I also admitted to item flipping somewhere, and that does harm people. Making it less rewarding would mean less incentive to do it. When I won’t need to grind for gold I want to move to investing because that doesn’t inconvenience others that place orders.)

If you look at the posts in the forums there are more people that want precursors to be either easier to get or harder(or the same) but in a reliable way. There are more of those than people that want them hard and exclusive and preferably still rising in price from the current 600g or ppl opposed to SH (at least in the voiced part).

250g was somewhat arbitrary based on the prices at time they said the prices were becoming unreasonable due to low supply. I should have used a “could” in stead of “would” and “lower, more reasonable price” instead of “250g”.

I never asked anyone to play how I want. The market manipulation is a bad thing and it needs to go. People that want to grind/farm for the gold are free to do so. Flipping and investing are also fine (I do one and hope to move to the other) even if one of them is inconveniencing ppl).

Everything I wanted wasn’t forcing anyone to anything. Instead of only more RNG they could have also added 1 more way to get precursors. How does that force you to play differently?

Never claimed they are not opinions, they are event pointed out to be that in 1 post. There are only 2-3 facts in here.

There are just a few ppl that repeatedly post everywhere how they want precursors to remain the way they are or be made harder. 4 was the number I have found until now (yes, you are not one of them).

The market manipulation I’m talking about in this context is: ppl with over 2500g buying every Dusk and reposting them for 100g more (it’s a form of item flipping but with the added “anything lower/way lower than me I buyout so the prices stay high or rise and it works because the supply is limited”).

I admit I could have phrased some things differently. I’m not a fan of breaking down posts or defending opinions line by line (I still do it sometimes as you can see here) so I’m going away now (and waiting to see the results of 28th Jan since, like I said, I COULD BE WRONG about it’s effects).

plasmacutter.2709:

You know, some people want things not because they want to lord it over those who don’t, but because they actually like it themselves.

Believe it or not, most of the people who have legendaries also probably wanted it for themselves, not just to show off. If you perceive it as showing off just because they managed to get one, that’s your ego talking, not theirs. There are any number of skin options in the game that are good-looking and easily accessible. Legendaries are designed to be exclusive, and that exclusivity comes from their cost. If you have one, you don’t have to lord it over anyone, but to get one you’ll have to pay just the same.

wow so glad this didn’t spiral out of control at all.

thanks to the one guy that gave me advice in the first reply.

Kain Nosgoth.4218:

“Note how you start off slamming those who invested in halloween skins only to end your next post proclaiming this will be you in a few months.”

There was no slamming. What I meant was that long term investments should not be the only viable way of having enough currency to obtain something in a reasonable amount of time. (I also admitted to item flipping somewhere, and that does harm people. Making it less rewarding would mean less incentive to do it. When I won’t need to grind for gold I want to move to investing because that doesn’t inconvenience others that place orders.)

If you look at the posts in the forums there are more people that want precursors to be either easier to get or harder(or the same) but in a reliable way. There are more of those than people that want them hard and exclusive and preferably still rising in price from the current 600g or ppl opposed to SH (at least in the voiced part).

250g was somewhat arbitrary based on the prices at time they said the prices were becoming unreasonable due to low supply. I should have used a “could” in stead of “would” and “lower, more reasonable price” instead of “250g”.

I never asked anyone to play how I want. The market manipulation is a bad thing and it needs to go. People that want to grind/farm for the gold are free to do so. Flipping and investing are also fine (I do one and hope to move to the other) even if one of them is inconveniencing ppl).

Everything I wanted wasn’t forcing anyone to anything. Instead of only more RNG they could have also added 1 more way to get precursors. How does that force you to play differently?

Never claimed they are not opinions, they are event pointed out to be that in 1 post. There are only 2-3 facts in here.

There are just a few ppl that repeatedly post everywhere how they want precursors to remain the way they are or be made harder. 4 was the number I have found until now (yes, you are not one of them).

The market manipulation I’m talking about in this context is: ppl with over 2500g buying every Dusk and reposting them for 100g more (it’s a form of item flipping but with the added “anything lower/way lower than me I buyout so the prices stay high or rise and it works because the supply is limited”).

I admit I could have phrased some things differently. I’m not a fan of breaking down posts or defending opinions line by line (I still do it sometimes as you can see here) so I’m going away now (and waiting to see the results of 28th Jan since, like I said, I COULD BE WRONG about it’s effects).

Fair play man! Seems I was overly harsh on your earlier posts

The Dusk (and Dawn) markets are more predictable than the other precursor markets; they are higher volume than other precursors as there are a lot of Krait Slayers being thrown into the forge. The price of Dusk follows the price of T5 materials, albeit with a pretty significant time lag.

The price of T5 materials spiked as a result of the bot ban. I am not sure that the price of Dusk fully reflects this new reality yet. So I would not be surprised if the price of Dusk continued to rise somewhat.

In the longer term, the price of T5 materials should snap back somewhat, and the price of Dusk with it.

If you do not want to use the Dusk yourself, now is a pretty good time to sell. The price is pretty high, and there are a lot more downside risks (T5 snapback, alternative ways of acquiring the precursor, etc) than upside opportunities. Unless you’re really into gambling, I would grab my 640 gold and be happy with it.

If you do want a Dusk yourself, I’d be hesitant to sell; the price would have to drop below 550 gold for you to make a profit off of shorting the weapon, and I do not see that happening any time soon.

Leablo.2651:

Believe it or not, most of the people who have legendaries also probably wanted it for themselves, not just to show off. If you perceive it as showing off just because they managed to get one, that’s your ego talking, not theirs. There are any number of skin options in the game that are good-looking and easily accessible. Legendaries are designed to be exclusive, and that exclusivity comes from their cost. If you have one, you don’t have to lord it over anyone, but to get one you’ll have to pay just the same.

Cost is subjective. Most legendary owners still are people who bought the required items and precursor for several factors cheaper. Gold income from farming has remained the same from release. Plinx was lost but Fractals were gained. Stagnation. Measly extra silver on dungeon boss kills gained. Dragon trash lost. So no one is paying the same rate. The “cost” so to speak on the precursor behalf is a moving goalpost that continues to become more stringent and is based on manipulation, not true supply and demand.

The cost of gambling in the Mystic Forge isn’t the same as well. Few people are lucky to get their intended precursor within a small amount of tries. Most people (of intense illogical devotion to the process) have rolled the dice several hundred times with exotics and came back empty handed. The cost is not the same, relatively or otherwise. It doesn’t balance out “somewhere down the road” for anyone.

The only cost that everyone has to pay that is the same is the universal requirements for all legendaries: karma, clovers, etc.. I understand elitists are worried about casuals getting their “undeserving” hands on an exclusive item and that’s what this all truly boils down to on the behalf of those who think current precursor attainment is fine or should be made more “difficult”.

It’s a gamble to say whether or not legendary owners acquire the weapon for no other reason beside the look that they personally want. I’d be willing to say there is a ton of ego on their behalf – after all most of these same players are elitists in other games. I hardly think their elitist attitudes diffused when they came to GW2. How many of those same legendary owners would have simply .dat file swapped armor/weapon skins instead of having to actually obtain the item. I suspect a very very low amount.

evo.8640:

It doesn’t balance out “somewhere down the road” for anyone.

Just to be clear – the odds do, eventually, balance out, as they do with any random process over a large enough sample size. The issue is simply that the economy does not have the output, and no player has the financial resources, to use the forge enough times to see their luck even out.

If you call ‘evening out’ having a 95% chance to get your expected returns +/- 20%, then you’ll have to throw around 200,000 Krait Slayers into the forge, at a cost of around 80,000 gold.

Good luck hitting those numbers.

evo.8640:

Cost is subjective. Most legendary owners still are people who bought the required items and precursor for several factors cheaper.

And still you didn’t.

The “cost” so to speak on the precursor behalf is a moving goalpost that continues to become more stringent and is based on manipulation, not true supply and demand.

“No true Scotsman” is a fallacy. Real supply and demand includes speculation. If there is room to play the numbers, there is no logical reason why someone shouldn’t.

The cost of gambling in the Mystic Forge isn’t the same as well.

That’s why it’s called gambling. I’ll concede any points people care to make here, I honestly don’t care how fair the gambling system is because it’s already designed to lose money. The only way to win at the forge is to not play it, and that hasn’t changed since day 1.

I understand elitists are worried about casuals getting their “undeserving” hands on an exclusive item and that’s what this all truly boils down to on the behalf of those who think current precursor attainment is fine or should be made more “difficult”.

I’m personally more worried about what would happen to all the gold that gets tied up in the legendary chase if it suddenly became no longer necessary and was released into the general economy. I’m guessing you never thought about that or much of anything else beyond getting one for free.

It’s a gamble to say whether or not legendary owners acquire the weapon for no other reason beside the look that they personally want. I’d be willing to say there is a ton of ego on their behalf – after all most of these same players are elitists in other games. I hardly think their elitist attitudes diffused when they came to GW2.

Which you have deduced by talking to exactly zero of them, I gather. The number of people I see saying “hey look at me, I has legendary” averages 0 a day. The number of people I see saying “hey I can’t afford a legendary, it should be cheap enough so I can get one”, well, just look at this forum. From these numbers, people with an entitlement complex far outnumber legendary owners with narcissistic personalities.

How many of those same legendary owners would have simply .dat file swapped armor/weapon skins instead of having to actually obtain the item. I suspect a very very low amount.

So there is otherwise a high amount of people who do this? I think not. Few players would go to this extent just to get a “fake” cosmetic item. And obviously, yes, people who actually went to the effort of earning their legendaries legitimately are less likely to use hacks like this… because it’s hacking, not because it’s cheaper.

What this demonstrates though is your willingness to get what you want by any method other than having to actually earn it.

Leablo.2651:

And still you didn’t.

And you would know this how?

“No true Scotsman” is a fallacy. Real supply and demand includes speculation. If there is room to play the numbers, there is no logical reason why someone shouldn’t.

Speculation and market manipulation are two entirely different things. What has been going on with Dusk, Dawn, Legend, etc. is not speculation.

That’s why it’s called gambling. I’ll concede any points people care to make here, I honestly don’t care how fair the gambling system is because it’s already designed to lose money. The only way to win at the forge is to not play it, and that hasn’t changed since day 1.

Agreed, but currently this is the only other somewhat reliable method of obtaining one of the more expensive precursors as opposed to further aiding a controlled market item from anyone of the sellers.

I’m personally more worried about what would happen to all the gold that gets tied up in the legendary chase if it suddenly became no longer necessary and was released into the general economy. I’m guessing you never thought about that or much of anything else beyond getting one for free.

Why would you worry about this with the three controlled precursors? There are still two people controlling Dusk for example. You’re worried that that they won’t be a few gold short of pushing that five digit number starting with a two? Out of the multitude of posts, no one sensible has been asking for the t6 mats to become cheaper, reduction in the required amount of karma, removal of icy runestones, etc.. There are some problems with lodestones, namely the accessibility to them. But again, no one is asking for them to drop like candy. However, getting less than two from actually intentionally farming for them in the period of hours is pretty horse kitten. And the fact that some legendarys require none while others require 100, that do not have 100% uptime to be farmed, if so desired. I don’t think you truly understand or appreciate the disparity of difference of in-game wealth. And without such an understanding, you’re the rather clueless one when it comes down to what will ultimately impact the markets and the health of its players today and into the future. Unless you’re a TP baron yourself, you just won’t ever see the forest through the trees.

Which you have deduced by talking to exactly zero of them, I gather. The number of people I see saying “hey look at me, I has legendary” averages 0 a day. The number of people I see saying “hey I can’t afford a legendary, it should be cheap enough so I can get one”, well, just look at this forum. From these numbers, people with an entitlement complex far outnumber legendary owners with narcissistic personalities.

Anecdotal. I could say the exact opposite of you and you wouldn’t be any more correct. That said, I’m more than sure I’ve spoken with far more legendary owners than you have. And most of them are extremely pompous about their possession. The fact that you’ve made such a statement about the general consensus of sensible posts regarding the problem with legendary obtainment down to “give it to me now and for cheaper” shows how out of touch you are, lack of reading comprehension to differentiate legitimate posts from the whiny. In which case, the whiny are far and few between.

So there is otherwise a high amount of people who do this? I think not. Few players would go to this extent just to get a “fake” cosmetic item. And obviously, yes, people who actually went to the effort of earning their legendaries legitimately are less likely to use hacks like this… because it’s hacking, not because it’s cheaper.

And how do you know this? It’s not possible with GW2. Previous mmo’s that allowed for file swapping were rife with this. Tons of people wanted certain stats on various pieces of gear but hated the skin. So they’d file swap. Your opinion is rolled over with that fact. And actually for the record, it isn’t hacking. No files are being “hacked”.

What this demonstrates though is your willingness to get what you want by any method other than having to actually earn it.

Really? I currently have four legendaries between three characters. Twilight, Sunrise, The Predator, and Bolt all /lol to that. So unless being a TP baron doesn’t qualify as earning it, you might have to change your previous positions.

I know, it must be mind blowing to come across someone who has participated in the legendary grind -several times and disagree with your white-knight defending of a flawed carrot on a stick model. You’d be better off suited in Tera Online. Not Trade Wars 2.