Guild Wars 2

So yeah I’m almost there for my legendary, and I’ve done some pretty intense TP flipping some of which had occasions where I lost money, but the point of this post is to warn players about the dangers of buying t6 mats now. In just a time of a few weeks, the price of nearly every t6 mat has spiked up and this isn’t the work of the patches that came out but rather from amenities and player base decreasing. What I’ve done so far is farmed about 600g worth of t6 mats and at the time I was just doing TP flipping, wvw, dungeons, etc, but at the time I only needed what was 800g worth of mats; suddenly, the gift of fortune rose to about 900g in a week and then boom one week later(now) 1000g, and it’s the all in the gift of fortune. So in light of all of this, I want to warn fellow players that you shouldn’t excessively buy t6 mats off the TP, it will ruin you if you are heavily tempted and there are better alternative ways to getting t6 mats by not playing the TP. Furthermore, this post isn’t for anything like crafting for ascended armor and ascended backpieces, though it can extend for those types if need be.

A lot of people say use your laurels, don’t be fooled by the overrated statement as it can crack you down since you only get 3 mats per bag. If you are extremely lucky enough you should be able to get the necessary amount of laurels for the mats in around 665 days, and this is if you do dailies every day, which is about 2 years. This obviously takes a long time, and you shouldn’t be encouraged to take the challenge though it would sound risky as well since you wouldn’t get all the mats you want.

TP flipping is a good tactic, but unfortunately players pretty much nerfed this option for buying t6 mats without even realizing it; if you’re willing to spend another month TP flipping, go ahead but note that buying the t6 mats will in fact get harder. People say to farm the gold and buy the mats, I’ve always hated when people say that and you’re already doing just that! There’s a lot of ways people make gold of course, even if by the smallest amount, but some of that is repetitive, and you will end up farming for something that’s actually easier to farm for, so if you can, farm the gold yes, but save your gold and don’t spend it on anything except investments until you have like 600g to waste ready or ready enough to buy ALL of your t6 mats. No joke, there’s an even better way to get t6 mats and many have already figured it out by watching a lot of YouTube videos, and I’ll clear it up, but yeah so far this method is pretty handy. FACT: you do not need to spend as much gold to buy them or spend time on farming them for the rest of your life.

The best way to get t6 mats is to rely on your karma, the more you pve the better the reward, I chose my words on the last sentence on the last paragraph very carefully. There is a reason as to why in the gw2 wiki it shows that you need around 500k karma, and the fact is that the 500k karma isn’t just for the mystic clovers, yes you need to get clovers but the truth is that you may only need about 200k karma for them and not 500k; so what to do with that 300k leftover? What you want to do is buy more obsidian shards, and do the 10 clover recipe. Using this method I’ve almost always gotten around 32-40 t6 mats, and have had better trade-offs than buying them from the TP. See here’s how it works, the drop rate research suggests that for both the 10 clover and 1 clover recipes have a drop rate of 30-32% that leaves a 68-70% chance of getting t6 mats, at this point you can choose between the 1 clover recipe and the 10 clover, but which is better? After researching through various YouTube videos, people have in fact gotten less t6 mats using the 1 recipe and the numbers are like 3-7 t6 mats, MOST of which turned out to be wood, leather, and orichalcum, but by doing the 10 clover recipe you would end up with even more t6 mats, LESS of which turned out to be wood, leather, and orichalcum! So go on ahead and try it! See if you can jackpot the 35-40 mat streak, remember that 10 globs are only about 4g so if you’re already TP flipping , this is a plus!

Without reading your whole wall of text .. what do you believe happens when each
and everytime someone asks how to get T6 mats the answer is : do dungeons and
buy them ?

Because .. the TP creates them when you buy them .. right ? No it doesn’t so if nobody
farms them they get of cause rarer and more expensive .. and maybe some day people
will notice that there are other ways to make money beside dungeons.

Beldin.5498:

Without reading your whole wall of text .. what do you believe happens when each
and everytime someone asks how to get T6 mats the answer is : do dungeons and
buy them ?

Because .. the TP creates them when you buy them .. right ? No it doesn’t so if nobody
farms them they get of cause rarer and more expensive .. and maybe some day people
will notice that there are other ways to make money beside dungeons.

I covered this on my post.

Except your post is a wall of text that even interested people find difficult to read through. Ever heard of bullet points?

Prices rise due to a combination of reduced supply or increased demand. Since the Megaserver the T6 farming circuit has become more difficult to do, which cuts supply. Also with the wardrobe there’s an increase push to make legendaries since you can dup the skin once you have one, which increases demand.

And that doesn’t take into account level 500 crafting so you can craft ascended items also pushing up demand. One of the reasons Dry Top mat farming is currently big, trying to fill the need.

Prices of low-tiered stuff are also (relatively) high. For a new player 1s30c for small/tiny scale is a lot especially when considering how much you need of that.

Again, supply issues. If players are concentrating on higher level zones to get higher tier mats then there are fewer players gathering lower tier mats. I do my dailies in sub level 25 zones and I have to dump excess mats onto the tp every other day due to overflowing my collection tab.

Lukyromero.6780:

the point of this post is to warn players about the dangers of buying t6 mats now. …I want to warn fellow players that you shouldn’t excessively buy t6 mats off the TP, it will ruin you if you are heavily tempted and there are better alternative ways to getting t6 mats by not playing the TP.

….

…. there’s an even better way to get t6 mats …rely on your karma, the more you pve the better the reward, … What you want to do is buy more obsidian shards, and do the 10 clover recipe.

It appears the OP is suggesting that buying T6 mats from the TP will bankrupt everyone in the game. Instead, the OP argues that you should craft extra clover and hope that you get T6 mats instead.

I don’t think the first presumption is true, but even if it was, the conversion rate of karma into mats (or coin) yields only about 1/3 the value you’d get by crafting various food.

1. Average TP prices for fine mats are currently running ~45% higher than they were in Feb/Mar. Yes, prices are up, but not by as much as suggested in the Original Post.
2. Using clover recipes returns about 8-12s worth of value for every 1,000 karma invested. That’s about the same as the amount you’d save by purchasing salvage kits with karma (instead of gold). And it’s a lot less than you’d get by a variety of crafting recipes.

Lukyromero.6780:

TP flipping is a good tactic, but unfortunately players pretty much nerfed this option without even realizing it;

I’m not sure why the OP thinks that flipping has been nerfed. There are still plenty of markets that are ripe for flipping and plenty of flippers around.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Lukyromero.6780:

the point of this post is to warn players about the dangers of buying t6 mats now. …I want to warn fellow players that you shouldn’t excessively buy t6 mats off the TP, it will ruin you if you are heavily tempted and there are better alternative ways to getting t6 mats by not playing the TP.

….

…. there’s an even better way to get t6 mats …rely on your karma, the more you pve the better the reward, … What you want to do is buy more obsidian shards, and do the 10 clover recipe.

It appears the OP is suggesting that buying T6 mats from the TP will bankrupt everyone in the game. Instead, the OP argues that you should craft extra clover and hope that you get T6 mats instead.

I don’t think the first presumption is true, but even if it was, the conversion rate of karma into mats (or coin) yields only about 1/3 the value you’d get by crafting various food.

1. Average TP prices for fine mats are currently running ~45% higher than they were in Feb/Mar. Yes, prices are up, but not by as much as suggested in the Original Post.
2. Using clover recipes returns about 8-12s worth of value for every 1,000 karma invested. That’s about the same as the amount you’d save by purchasing salvage kits with karma (instead of gold). And it’s a lot less than you’d get by a variety of crafting recipes.

Lukyromero.6780:

TP flipping is a good tactic, but unfortunately players pretty much nerfed this option without even realizing it;

I’m not sure why the OP thinks that flipping has been nerfed. There are still plenty of markets that are ripe for flipping and plenty of flippers around.

You’re right I don’t think it’s nerfed, I meant that it’s nerfed for getting t6 mats; as opposed to how it used to be where mats were like 30 silver. I’ll fix that on my op.

Lukyromero.6780:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Lukyromero.6780:

the point of this post is to warn players about the dangers of buying t6 mats now. …I want to warn fellow players that you shouldn’t excessively buy t6 mats off the TP, it will ruin you if you are heavily tempted and there are better alternative ways to getting t6 mats by not playing the TP.

….

…. there’s an even better way to get t6 mats …rely on your karma, the more you pve the better the reward, … What you want to do is buy more obsidian shards, and do the 10 clover recipe.

It appears the OP is suggesting that buying T6 mats from the TP will bankrupt everyone in the game. Instead, the OP argues that you should craft extra clover and hope that you get T6 mats instead.

I don’t think the first presumption is true, but even if it was, the conversion rate of karma into mats (or coin) yields only about 1/3 the value you’d get by crafting various food.

1. Average TP prices for fine mats are currently running ~45% higher than they were in Feb/Mar. Yes, prices are up, but not by as much as suggested in the Original Post.
2. Using clover recipes returns about 8-12s worth of value for every 1,000 karma invested. That’s about the same as the amount you’d save by purchasing salvage kits with karma (instead of gold). And it’s a lot less than you’d get by a variety of crafting recipes.

Lukyromero.6780:

TP flipping is a good tactic, but unfortunately players pretty much nerfed this option without even realizing it;

I’m not sure why the OP thinks that flipping has been nerfed. There are still plenty of markets that are ripe for flipping and plenty of flippers around.

You’re right I don’t think it’s nerfed, I meant that it’s nerfed for getting t6 mats; as opposed to how it used to be where mats were like 30 silver. I’ll fix that on my op.

it may cost more, but it will really come down to how good you are at flipping, people who flip well, make enough money so it wouldnt be worth it to do extra farming for it, people who are average at flipping may be better off farming, maybe.

however the best way to do it, if you are farming/doing pve, is probably to promote all materials you earn, and/or put in buy orders, you also forget that for many people getting a legendary they dont have extra karma.

also, you are forgetting that the forge can also return leather, orichalcum wood, low cheap lodestones, etc. so really, its not that good a gamble i would say, unless you have an extremely high excess of mystic coins and karma.

The flipping comment has more to do with the fact the spread after taxes is negative on T6 mats rather than a general statement about flipping in general.

I get tons of t6’s now-a-days. They used to actually be rare, before champ bags were introduced. They are definetly more plentiful, also i’m sure the laurel exchange has helped create a reliable way of obtaining them. Prices has gone up on all high demand items, not just t6’s, so i wouldn’t say they are not worth buying if you need them. Considering how much gold exchange has raised, the t6’s increase in price is just a side effect of it, because people get more gold with real money.

I’ve made 2 legendaries now and both times had absolutely terrible luck getting (valuable) t6 from clovers. I used 1 clover for 7 and 10 covers for 70 both times. Maybe with the increased cost it’s a better deal now, but ectos have gone up in price too.

The problem is that people are all doing the LS now. The LS takes place in lower level zones meaning that people are not out farming mats like they used to be. This causes mat prices to rise.

When there is a break in the LS or if the LS goes to a good farming zone then hopefully we will get a break from these price increases.

Btw.: does somebody know whats up with T4 wood ? I think it was around 1.50-1.60s
in the last weeks, but last thursday it suddenly went up to 3s

Beldin.5498:

Btw.: does somebody know whats up with T4 wood ? I think it was around 1.50-1.60s
in the last weeks, but last thursday it suddenly went up to 3s

Due to foxfire clusters being farmed, the price for t5 wood crashed. That might have led to more spiritwood planks than usual being crafted, which put a higher than usual demand on t2-4 wood.

Usually t4 is the bottleneck as it has the lowest supply compared to t2 and 3, so t4 wood spiked a bit harder.

Lukyromero.6780:

So yeah I’m almost there for my legendary, and I’ve done some pretty intense TP flipping some of which had occasions where I lost money, but the point of this post is to warn players about the dangers of buying t6 mats now. In just a time of a few weeks, the price of nearly every t6 mat has spiked up and this isn’t the work of the patches that came out but rather from amenities and player base decreasing. What I’ve done so far is farmed about 600g worth of t6 mats and at the time I was just doing TP flipping, wvw, dungeons, etc, but at the time I only needed what was 800g worth of mats; suddenly, the gift of fortune rose to about 900g in a week and then boom one week later(now) 1000g, and it’s the all in the gift of fortune. So in light of all of this, I want to warn fellow players that you shouldn’t excessively buy t6 mats off the TP, it will ruin you if you are heavily tempted and there are better alternative ways to getting t6 mats by not playing the TP. Furthermore, this post isn’t for anything like crafting for ascended armor and ascended backpieces, though it can extend for those types if need be.

A lot of people say use your laurels, don’t be fooled by the overrated statement as it can crack you down since you only get 3 mats per bag. If you are extremely lucky enough you should be able to get the necessary amount of laurels for the mats in around 665 days, and this is if you do dailies every day, which is about 2 years. This obviously takes a long time, and you shouldn’t be encouraged to take the challenge though it would sound risky as well since you wouldn’t get all the mats you want.

TP flipping is a good tactic, but unfortunately players pretty much nerfed this option for buying t6 mats without even realizing it; if you’re willing to spend another month TP flipping, go ahead but note that buying the t6 mats will in fact get harder. People say to farm the gold and buy the mats, I’ve always hated when people say that and you’re already doing just that! There’s a lot of ways people make gold of course, even if by the smallest amount, but some of that is repetitive, and you will end up farming for something that’s actually easier to farm for, so if you can, farm the gold yes, but save your gold and don’t spend it on anything except investments until you have like 600g to waste ready or ready enough to buy ALL of your t6 mats. No joke, there’s an even better way to get t6 mats and many have already figured it out by watching a lot of YouTube videos, and I’ll clear it up, but yeah so far this method is pretty handy. FACT: you do not need to spend as much gold to buy them or spend time on farming them for the rest of your life.

The best way to get t6 mats is to rely on your karma, the more you pve the better the reward, I chose my words on the last sentence on the last paragraph very carefully. There is a reason as to why in the gw2 wiki it shows that you need around 500k karma, and the fact is that the 500k karma isn’t just for the mystic clovers, yes you need to get clovers but the truth is that you may only need about 200k karma for them and not 500k; so what to do with that 300k leftover? What you want to do is buy more obsidian shards, and do the 10 clover recipe. Using this method I’ve almost always gotten around 32-40 t6 mats, and have had better trade-offs than buying them from the TP. See here’s how it works, the drop rate research suggests that for both the 10 clover and 1 clover recipes have a drop rate of 30-32% that leaves a 68-70% chance of getting t6 mats, at this point you can choose between the 1 clover recipe and the 10 clover, but which is better? After researching through various YouTube videos, people have in fact gotten less t6 mats using the 1 recipe and the numbers are like 3-7 t6 mats, MOST of which turned out to be wood, leather, and orichalcum, but by doing the 10 clover recipe you would end up with even more t6 mats, LESS of which turned out to be wood, leather, and orichalcum! So go on ahead and try it! See if you can jackpot the 35-40 mat streak, remember that 10 globs are only about 4g so if you’re already TP flipping , this is a plus!

Seriously, I’d like to know which game you’re playing when you’re only using 200k karma for your clovers lol, I’ve crafted probably 10-12 legendaries, not a single one cost only 90 obsidians for the clovers.

Wanze.8410:

Beldin.5498:

Btw.: does somebody know whats up with T4 wood ? I think it was around 1.50-1.60s
in the last weeks, but last thursday it suddenly went up to 3s

Due to foxfire clusters being farmed, the price for t5 wood crashed. That might have led to more spiritwood planks than usual being crafted, which put a higher than usual demand on t2-4 wood.

Usually t4 is the bottleneck as it has the lowest supply compared to t2 and 3, so t4 wood spiked a bit harder.

The funny fact for me was that some of the best spots for T4 wood are next to
Concordia .. and a lot more people than usually hang around there now because
of Chapter 2 ^^

Seriously, I’d like to know which game you’re playing when you’re only using 200k karma for your clovers lol, I’ve crafted probably 10-12 legendaries, not a single one cost only 90 obsidians for the clovers.[/quote]

I didn’t waste much karma on mine, its best to use the one clover recipe for clovers. I think I stated that on my post.

Lukyromero.6780:

I didn’t waste much karma on mine, its best to use the one clover recipe for clovers. I think I stated that on my post.

Again, with 1 clover recipe, did you ever only use 90 obsidians? Last pair I did was 213 and 240, 170ish was probably the best but not 90.

This 200k karma only figure seems highly improbable.

Izaya.2906:

Lukyromero.6780:

I didn’t waste much karma on mine, its best to use the one clover recipe for clovers. I think I stated that on my post.

Again, with 1 clover recipe, did you ever only use 90 obsidians? Last pair I did was 213 and 240, 170ish was probably the best but not 90.

This 200k karma only figure seems highly improbable.

You do realize that its not exact right? 200k karma can extend to a little farther than that, but yes it only took me about 100-105 obsidian shards to make 77 clovers. If you want I can take a screenshot of the 88 I have in my bank.

phys.7689:

Lukyromero.6780:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Lukyromero.6780:

the point of this post is to warn players about the dangers of buying t6 mats now. …I want to warn fellow players that you shouldn’t excessively buy t6 mats off the TP, it will ruin you if you are heavily tempted and there are better alternative ways to getting t6 mats by not playing the TP.

….

…. there’s an even better way to get t6 mats …rely on your karma, the more you pve the better the reward, … What you want to do is buy more obsidian shards, and do the 10 clover recipe.

It appears the OP is suggesting that buying T6 mats from the TP will bankrupt everyone in the game. Instead, the OP argues that you should craft extra clover and hope that you get T6 mats instead.

I don’t think the first presumption is true, but even if it was, the conversion rate of karma into mats (or coin) yields only about 1/3 the value you’d get by crafting various food.

1. Average TP prices for fine mats are currently running ~45% higher than they were in Feb/Mar. Yes, prices are up, but not by as much as suggested in the Original Post.
2. Using clover recipes returns about 8-12s worth of value for every 1,000 karma invested. That’s about the same as the amount you’d save by purchasing salvage kits with karma (instead of gold). And it’s a lot less than you’d get by a variety of crafting recipes.

Lukyromero.6780:

TP flipping is a good tactic, but unfortunately players pretty much nerfed this option without even realizing it;

I’m not sure why the OP thinks that flipping has been nerfed. There are still plenty of markets that are ripe for flipping and plenty of flippers around.

You’re right I don’t think it’s nerfed, I meant that it’s nerfed for getting t6 mats; as opposed to how it used to be where mats were like 30 silver. I’ll fix that on my op.

it may cost more, but it will really come down to how good you are at flipping, people who flip well, make enough money so it wouldnt be worth it to do extra farming for it, people who are average at flipping may be better off farming, maybe.

however the best way to do it, if you are farming/doing pve, is probably to promote all materials you earn, and/or put in buy orders, you also forget that for many people getting a legendary they dont have extra karma.

also, you are forgetting that the forge can also return leather, orichalcum wood, low cheap lodestones, etc. so really, its not that good a gamble i would say, unless you have an extremely high excess of mystic coins and karma.

I covered this on my post.

Lukyromero.6780:

Izaya.2906:

Lukyromero.6780:

I didn’t waste much karma on mine, its best to use the one clover recipe for clovers. I think I stated that on my post.

Again, with 1 clover recipe, did you ever only use 90 obsidians? Last pair I did was 213 and 240, 170ish was probably the best but not 90.

This 200k karma only figure seems highly improbable.

You do realize that its not exact right? 200k karma can extend to a little farther than that, but yes it only took me about 100-105 obsidian shards to make 77 clovers. If you want I can take a screenshot of the 88 I have in my bank.

That’s 1 sample, I know a guy that did 8/9 of the 10 recipe too. Yours is 73% of tries succeeded, his was 88%. Have you tried making 9 or more legendaries or asked around how much obsidians other people used?

The chance every time you roll to get a clover is roughly 30-32% so more often than not, someone will not only use 200k(give or take 10%), hence the 500k figure. This is more critical if you’re not doing events all the time that gain karma and 10 recipe will be an epic waste of karma and on top of that the chances of getting crappy leather.

It’s not impossible but its improbable.

It’s like me claiming everyone should mystic forge for their precursor because I got it on the 3rd combine(and yes I did get a precursor from a 3rd try, some do on their first try but then again it normally takes hundreds or thousands of tries) costing less than 10g, but we all know that’s kitten. It does end up giving a net gain in gold in the long run but people shouldn’t attempt it if they can’t afford to lose everything.

As with karma, there are other more reliable ways of monetizing it (like what a poster above suggested).

Izaya.2906:

Lukyromero.6780:

Izaya.2906:

Lukyromero.6780:

I didn’t waste much karma on mine, its best to use the one clover recipe for clovers. I think I stated that on my post.

Again, with 1 clover recipe, did you ever only use 90 obsidians? Last pair I did was 213 and 240, 170ish was probably the best but not 90.

This 200k karma only figure seems highly improbable.

You do realize that its not exact right? 200k karma can extend to a little farther than that, but yes it only took me about 100-105 obsidian shards to make 77 clovers. If you want I can take a screenshot of the 88 I have in my bank.

That’s 1 sample, I know a guy that did 8/9 of the 10 recipe too. Yours is 73% of tries succeeded, his was 88%. Have you tried making 9 or more legendaries or asked around how much obsidians other people used?

The chance every time you roll to get a clover is roughly 30-32% so more often than not, someone will not only use 200k(give or take 10%), hence the 500k figure. This is more critical if you’re not doing events all the time that gain karma and 10 recipe will be an epic waste of karma and on top of that the chances of getting crappy leather.

It’s not impossible but its improbable.

It’s like me claiming everyone should mystic forge for their precursor because I got it on the 3rd combine(and yes I did get a precursor from a 3rd try, some do on their first try but then again it normally takes hundreds or thousands of tries) costing less than 10g, but we all know that’s kitten. It does end up giving a net gain in gold in the long run but people shouldn’t attempt it if they can’t afford to lose everything.

As with karma, there are other more reliable ways of monetizing it (like what a poster above suggested).

Hey, just a note, there have been people who have gotten 5 precursors on a 1k toss and they demand a nerf on the mystic forge and they post it all over forums. Go figure, I don’t care about the chances of landing a clover on this post, as it is a guide to getting t6 mats and not clovers, but if you want to fathom further into the subject I have a more reasonable argument between both recipes. I’m not here to talk about how much karma it takes because I seriously don’t give a **** about how much karma it takes to get 77 clovers, I’m here to talk about efficiency, not rng.

Okay so take the one clover recipe, you toss the one clover recipe ten times, you have a 30-32% chance (based on gathered data) to get a clover on each try. You toss them all and get around 1-3 clovers. That’s actually surprisingly good! I got 10 from tossing 12 globs once. But that’s besides the point I’m trying to make (efficiency), and the reason I mention this is because with the one clover recipe you end up getting more useless t6 mats cough cough*(like the ones I covered in my op), and less t6 mats for your gift of magic and might; this has in fact been proven by a friend of mine, who also did a study on whether or not magic find affects bags (which of course by now we all now that mf doesn’t affect bags, oh and don’t ask who he is, he quit the game a long time ago 3 mo. after the game came out), but I relied on YouTube videos for evidence and took them for my sample size. You have a higher chance of landing t6 mats for the gift of might and magic by using the ten clover recipe than by using the one clover recipe. But if you wanna be a hard bubble, then go ahead and use the one clover recipe, I wont stop you and I’m sure nobody else will either.

Also, I forgot to mention this but this IS the best way to monetize karma, just with more gambling, I spend around 4g for globs, a few more silver for mystic coins, and toss them for more t6 mats, get like 26 powerful venom sacs and net 2.5 gold higher than I orginally was, it’s that good! It beats buying Orrian boxes for unidentified objects and expecting charged lodestones any day on my book.

I took a closer look and use the droprate research from the wiki for my calculations:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mystic_Clover/Drop_rate

It seems that the droprate is roughly as followed:

~30% chance to get clovers (no gold value)

~5% chance each to get 20-40 of the 8 fine t6 mats, their current prices:
(blood 66s, bones 55s, claws 55s, dust 20s, fangs 44s, scales 58s totems 44s, venom 37s)
Makes an average of 47.375s per t6 fine mat. As you get 20-40 fine mats per attempt, I assume an average of 30×47.375s= 14.21g

~5% chance each to get 10-30 of refined common t6 mats, their current prices:
(Ori ingot 11s, Gossamer Bolt 2.5s, Ancient Plank 14s, Hardened Leather 0.4s)
Makes an average of 7s, an average of 20 per attempt results in 1.4g

~3% to get 10 each of one of the 7 different Lodestones, their current prices:
(Glacial 23s, Charged 309s, Destroyer 79s, Molten 84s, Onyx 85s, Corrupted 80s, Crystal 30s) Makes an average of 98s and as you always get 10 it results in 9.8G per attempt

Then we have a ~1% chance to get either 20 ectos (8g), 50 Mystic Coins (50s), 20 Crystals (no value), 20 Obsi Shards (no Value), 10 Hidden Treasure (30s) and 10 Putrid Essence (16s).
Now lets assume we make 100 forges for the 10 clover attempt:
32 times we get no gold value in return
40 times we get an average value of 14.21g resulting in 568.4g
20 times we get an average value of 1.4g resulting in 28g
3 times we get an average value of 9.8g resulting in 29.4g
1 time we get an average value of 8g
1 time we get an average value of 0.5g
1 time we get an average value of 0.3g
1 time we get an average value of 0.16g
So we gain an average gold value of 634.76g
What did we spend?
1000 ectos 420g
1000 mystic coins 10g
980 Crystals 588 skillpoints
980 Obsi Shards 2 million karma

TL/DR: In order to make ~205g profit from forging clovers you need to spend 588 skillpoints and 2 million karma, thats an average cost of 10k karma and 2.87 skillpoints per gold profit.

Worth it? I think not.

Wanze.8410:

I took a closer look and use the droprate research from the wiki for my calculations:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mystic_Clover/Drop_rate

It seems that the droprate is roughly as followed:

~30% chance to get clovers (no gold value)

~5% chance each to get 20-40 of the 8 fine t6 mats, their current prices:
(blood 66s, bones 55s, claws 55s, dust 20s, fangs 44s, scales 58s totems 44s, venom 37s)
Makes an average of 47.375s per t6 fine mat. As you get 20-40 fine mats per attempt, I assume an average of 30×47.375s= 14.21g

~5% chance each to get 10-30 of refined common t6 mats, their current prices:
(Ori ingot 11s, Gossamer Bolt 2.5s, Ancient Plank 14s, Hardened Leather 0.4s)
Makes an average of 7s, an average of 20 per attempt results in 1.4g

~3% to get 10 each of one of the 7 different Lodestones, their current prices:
(Glacial 23s, Charged 309s, Destroyer 79s, Molten 84s, Onyx 85s, Corrupted 80s, Crystal 30s) Makes an average of 98s and as you always get 10 it results in 9.8G per attempt

Then we have a ~1% chance to get either 20 ectos (8g), 50 Mystic Coins (50s), 20 Crystals (no value), 20 Obsi Shards (no Value), 10 Hidden Treasure (30s) and 10 Putrid Essence (16s).
Now lets assume we make 100 forges for the 10 clover attempt:
32 times we get no gold value in return
40 times we get an average value of 14.21g resulting in 568.4g
20 times we get an average value of 1.4g resulting in 28g
3 times we get an average value of 9.8g resulting in 29.4g
1 time we get an average value of 8g
1 time we get an average value of 0.5g
1 time we get an average value of 0.3g
1 time we get an average value of 0.16g
So we gain an average gold value of 634.76g
What did we spend?
1000 ectos 420g
1000 mystic coins 10g
980 Crystals 588 skillpoints
980 Obsi Shards 2 million karma

TL/DR: In order to make ~205g profit from forging clovers you need to spend 588 skillpoints and 2 million karma, thats an average cost of 10k karma and 2.87 skillpoints per gold profit.

Worth it? I think not.

nice math,

so with this said the question becomes, how fast can you earn gold? how fast can you earn karma and skill points? which do you have in excess?

phys.7689:

Wanze.8410:

I took a closer look and use the droprate research from the wiki for my calculations:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mystic_Clover/Drop_rate

It seems that the droprate is roughly as followed:

~30% chance to get clovers (no gold value)

~5% chance each to get 20-40 of the 8 fine t6 mats, their current prices:
(blood 66s, bones 55s, claws 55s, dust 20s, fangs 44s, scales 58s totems 44s, venom 37s)
Makes an average of 47.375s per t6 fine mat. As you get 20-40 fine mats per attempt, I assume an average of 30×47.375s= 14.21g

~5% chance each to get 10-30 of refined common t6 mats, their current prices:
(Ori ingot 11s, Gossamer Bolt 2.5s, Ancient Plank 14s, Hardened Leather 0.4s)
Makes an average of 7s, an average of 20 per attempt results in 1.4g

~3% to get 10 each of one of the 7 different Lodestones, their current prices:
(Glacial 23s, Charged 309s, Destroyer 79s, Molten 84s, Onyx 85s, Corrupted 80s, Crystal 30s) Makes an average of 98s and as you always get 10 it results in 9.8G per attempt

Then we have a ~1% chance to get either 20 ectos (8g), 50 Mystic Coins (50s), 20 Crystals (no value), 20 Obsi Shards (no Value), 10 Hidden Treasure (30s) and 10 Putrid Essence (16s).
Now lets assume we make 100 forges for the 10 clover attempt:
32 times we get no gold value in return
40 times we get an average value of 14.21g resulting in 568.4g
20 times we get an average value of 1.4g resulting in 28g
3 times we get an average value of 9.8g resulting in 29.4g
1 time we get an average value of 8g
1 time we get an average value of 0.5g
1 time we get an average value of 0.3g
1 time we get an average value of 0.16g
So we gain an average gold value of 634.76g
What did we spend?
1000 ectos 420g
1000 mystic coins 10g
980 Crystals 588 skillpoints
980 Obsi Shards 2 million karma

TL/DR: In order to make ~205g profit from forging clovers you need to spend 588 skillpoints and 2 million karma, thats an average cost of 10k karma and 2.87 skillpoints per gold profit.

Worth it? I think not.

nice math,

so with this said the question becomes, how fast can you earn gold? how fast can you earn karma and skill points? which do you have in excess?

That still makes a nearly 39.3% chance to get a t6 mat. Higher than clover based on that data.

Just to relate my take on this (personal experience): Prior to MegaServer, I would likely spend a good portion of my time playing in Frostgorge harvesting nodes with 6 to 8 characters on a semi-daily basis. Mostly running routes for the “mapped out” T6 nodes. I gathered a rather healthy stockpile of T5 and T6 metal and wood during that time. I thing I sold some T5 stacks (very few) but I have always just horded the T6 materials. That daily farming of nodes ended with MegaServer.

While I do go to all the T6 generating areas on a regular basis. The fact that I have to roam these areas (or deal with spotty Map chat) to find the T6 nodes now and can’t locate the nodes and then use other characters to reliably gather from those same nodes, means I don’t do it as regularly as I used to. To be honest, this is a good thing in terms of my playtime as I now do other things I enjoy more, but my supply of T6 mats IS starting to run dry and I have started to promote the surplus of T5 mats I also stockpiled (and still gather on a regular basis).

TLDNR: Megaserver has “effected” the supply (not just of the TP but all players inventory) and I’m not sure this was part of Anet’s overall plan (good or bad).

There are no T6 nodes for the materials of value, Brother Grimm. Megaserver means more chance of being in a map with lots of people to form a large group that scales up mob events, so any suggestion that Megaserver has negatively affected supply is anecdotal.

Killing mobs per minute is the best way to get T6 materials, which means either Cursed Shore zerg or WvW/EoTM big zerg battles.

phys.7689:

nice math,

so with this said the question becomes, how fast can you earn gold? how fast can you earn karma and skill points? which do you have in excess?

Thanks. Like i said, especially the skillpoint investment is a tad too high for me. 3 skillpoints for 1 gold profit is a waste for me as i usually get 3g+ per skillpoint.
But my method is not really spammable and relies on the market, so its a bit more time consuming than forging clovers but to each their own.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

There are no T6 nodes for the materials of value, Brother Grimm. Megaserver means more chance of being in a map with lots of people to form a large group that scales up mob events, so any suggestion that Megaserver has negatively affected supply is anecdotal.

Killing mobs per minute is the best way to get T6 materials, which means either Cursed Shore zerg or WvW/EoTM big zerg battles.

I also dont think that megaservers had anything to do with it. In my opinion its still raised demand of precursors, which raised the prices of t5 fine mats through crafting rares for the forge. If t5 fine mats rise in price, they wont be used to promote to t6, so the supply from that is gone. I would guess the t6 generation form loot drops is pretty much the same, but promotion stagnated.

since when are skill points hard to get I still have a kitten ton and get a kitten ton for doing something called playing the game.

6 of the 8 t5 materials are still usually profitable to promote to t6.

Anyone farming mobs for t6 materials is going to acquire a large supply of t5.

I didn’t think about the crafting rares! Is that less expensive than just buying them at offer price?

Luky.. totally agree.. I have 1250 skill points in my bank, though I have started to spend them lately on larger items.

Lukyromero.6780:

since when are skill points hard to get I still have a kitten ton and get a kitten ton for doing something called playing the game.

Just because they are easy to get or you have alot, shouldnt mean you should use them under value.
Why would i use up 3 skillpoints and 10k karma to make 1 gold profit when i can make 10g profit with just 3 skillpoints?
I dont understand your logic to waste your karma and skillpoints like that…

phys.7689:

so with this said the question becomes, how fast can you earn gold? how fast can you earn karma and skill points? which do you have in excess?

The question is: what are the most efficient ways to turn skill points and karma into gold? The answer is never “forge for clover.”

• For SPs, it’s promote mats (usually tier 1 → tier 2) or forge specific items with a high profit and low SP cost.
• For karma, it’s craft specific items that cost little karma and generate decent profits.

Trying to build clover isn’t the worst method, but it’s among the most time consuming and least efficient out there.

edit: word choice to avoid kitten editor

farming karma is even a more daunting task

Brother Grimm.5176:

Just to relate my take on this (personal experience): Prior to MegaServer, I would likely spend a good portion of my time playing in Frostgorge harvesting nodes with 6 to 8 characters on a semi-daily basis. Mostly running routes for the “mapped out” T6 nodes. I gathered a rather healthy stockpile of T5 and T6 metal and wood during that time. I thing I sold some T5 stacks (very few) but I have always just horded the T6 materials. That daily farming of nodes ended with MegaServer.

I still do that with 13 characters on daily base.

Go to http://www.gw2nodes.com .. it still works, you only need to type in the IP now.

And .. you have to avoid the time around Claw of Jormag spawn, since then the maps
change all the time. Else however there are mostly only 1-2 maps .. at least in Europe.

I have tired that website and it frankly I’ve found more bad data than good. I’ll give it another shot (maybe I was being FUBARed by Claw events).

Brother Grimm.5176:

I have tired that website and it frankly I’ve found more bad data than good. I’ll give it another shot (maybe I was being FUBARed by Claw events).

The nodes site is hit or miss, as you may have wound up on a shard that hasn’t been mapped yet. I still use it because when it hits it saves a ton of time. If it misses, I’m no worse off for it.

either way, today I just finished making my first legendary (sunrise) doing this, cheers!

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

I didn’t think about the crafting rares! Is that less expensive than just buying them at offer price?

For the more desirable items, yes. So staff, greatsword, hammer, sword and dagger (possibly others too, but I’d have to check). My guess is currently if the precursor is over 800 gold then the price of the rare will make it worth crafting.

The floor price for rares is based on the price of ectos, but this is sufficiently low that crafting things like spears and tridents are not worthwhile.

mtpelion.4562:

Brother Grimm.5176:

I have tired that website and it frankly I’ve found more bad data than good. I’ll give it another shot (maybe I was being FUBARed by Claw events).

The nodes site is hit or miss, as you may have wound up on a shard that hasn’t been mapped yet. I still use it because when it hits it saves a ton of time. If it misses, I’m no worse off for it.

I used it last night in Cursed Shore and it worked great. I’m guessing my problem with it in Frostgorge has to do with Claw event…..

From past issues it’s less about incorrect info on where new nodes are as bad info about old ones not getting removed. Player seem to add new ones but never remove old (bad) ones.

mtpelion.4562:

Brother Grimm.5176:

I have tired that website and it frankly I’ve found more bad data than good. I’ll give it another shot (maybe I was being FUBARed by Claw events).

The nodes site is hit or miss, as you may have wound up on a shard that hasn’t been mapped yet. I still use it because when it hits it saves a ton of time. If it misses, I’m no worse off for it.

I used it last night in Cursed Shore and it worked great. I’m guessing my problem with it in Frostgorge has to do with Claw event…..

things cost more therefore if you have them you can sell more
that means making gold is easier so even if prices are rising so too is your capability to make gold
i dont see how anything has really changed in that regard