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Posted by: KarateKid.5648

KarateKid.5648

Can we please adjust that anti-bot delay? I am not selling like a madman, but the anti-bot code is triggering way too quickly, causing the what… 5 second overlapping delay?

I think the idea was brilliant, but it needs to be scaled back 3-4 seconds.

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Posted by: mtpelion.4562

mtpelion.4562

It is quite annoying when you happen to have a full inventory from a hard day of questing and you get interrupted by the “error”, especially if you are still questing and have only a small window to clean out your inventory before needing to jump back into the fray.

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

Mystic.5934

I’ve complained before. Now I just accept it as fact that they don’t see it as a problem.
as is, it encourages bots while discouraging players
I’ve suggested a few better implementations that have gone unnoticed: can not sell more than 1 item every 3 seconds, can not sell more than 500 items per day.

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Posted by: Phoebe Ascension.8437

Phoebe Ascension.8437

omg this ‘bug’ is not a bug but anti bot implementation? Pffff if i knew that. I bugged out so many times because of this…Anet Tsk.

Legendary weapons can be hidden now!
No excuse anymore for not giving ‘hide mounts’-option
No thanks to unidentified weapons.

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Posted by: Dench.5968

Dench.5968

I don’t understand the premise of this feature. All a person does is have to program the bot to post items slower and click around to bypass it. A bot doesn’t care if it takes hours to post items because no one is sitting there like a dummy.

This system is way to sensitive and continuously interferes with my trading every single day. I am completely sick of it and I doubt that it actually prevents bots from listing items on the market.

I have a 160 items sitting on my toon right now waiting to go out on the market tonight. That means I’ll have youtube on one screen watching something and GW2 on the other while I take FOREVER to list these items.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

As I stated in previous threads on this topic, it could also be there to improve the TP response for all players. Selling and picking up goods requires more DB work than a simple query or buy orders do. Putting a “speed limit” on selling makes the TP more robust for everyone.

This isn’t Amazon with their 127th fastest supercomputer in the world, there’s a limit to how much ANet is willing to spend on the TP server and it’s easier to put a limit on it than spend significantly more money so everyone can sell faster than 15 items per minute.

We are heroes. This is what we do!

RIP City of Heroes

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Posted by: ozmaniandevil.6805

ozmaniandevil.6805

Oh. My. God. This is a FEATURE put in by th designers??? I hate this so much it makes me want to stop playing sometimes!!!! I have started to dread selling stuff on thexTP. Seriously. Evil.

Isle of Janthir – Knights of the Rose (KoR)

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Layoff the Redbull, stop trying to maximize your gold/hr and you don’t encounter this.

We are heroes. This is what we do!

RIP City of Heroes

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

Mystic.5934

there’s no way it’s there so they can have a cheaper TP server. 2 queries per post (one to list, one to take it away from you). compare that to a dungeon boss fight. every single attack and condition is a query. 5 players, plus boss. easily 3 actions per second (proc on hit, apply protection on dodge, etc.) for everyone, plus ads. easily get into triple digits PER SECOND for one party (this is why they limit conditions to 25 stacks, which is fairly reasonable given how much goes on). now how many dungeon runs are there at any give time? queries are stupid low bandwidth. servers only get bogged down around the 100k queries per second mark. besides, you’ll still list the same number of things per day, making the average no different. there’s no reason everyone would wait for the hour hand to tick over to list everything, so there wouldn’t be huge spikes throughout the day. If there was no speed limit, people would list everything and be gone, freeing up access for the next person. as is, they are forced to stick around. sort of like having a 100-lane freeway available but only letting 1 car per second to enter.
the fact that they don’t limit buying shows that they aren’t starving for bandwidth. buying would use exactly the same number of queries as selling. I know I buy at least 10 times more stuff than I sell.

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Posted by: Dench.5968

Dench.5968

Layoff the Redbull, stop trying to maximize your gold/hr and you don’t encounter this.

So i should alter my legal game play choices to avoid a malfunctioning, easy to by pass anti bot program?

Listing lots of items on the trade market isn’t against the rules. People shouldn’t be hindered from doing so.

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Posted by: Phoebe Ascension.8437

Phoebe Ascension.8437

When does this bug/feature exactly kick in? I haven’t had it lately but sold my stuff pretty fast. But i remember times i sold 50 TP things in a row and i got the bug and only restarting game, fixed the bug. Even a whole day, and it wasn’t fixed before i relogged. So what makes it trigger? I don’t want to see this bug anymore.

Legendary weapons can be hidden now!
No excuse anymore for not giving ‘hide mounts’-option
No thanks to unidentified weapons.

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Posted by: Dench.5968

Dench.5968

When does this bug/feature exactly kick in? I haven’t had it lately but sold my stuff pretty fast. But i remember times i sold 50 TP things in a row and i got the bug and only restarting game, fixed the bug. Even a whole day, and it wasn’t fixed before i relogged. So what makes it trigger? I don’t want to see this bug anymore.

it kicks in after you post somewhere between 8 or 10 items very fast on the market, as in, one after the other with no pause. I’m actually alt tabbed out right now – because I’m on time out via this feature as we speak.

The harder you push it (as it keep trying to force bids when it errors), the more it fights back.

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

Mystic.5934

they recently made it worse, too. before june, you could keep hitting sell / ok / sell / ok until tit finally let you through (how much unnecessary bandwidth did THAT create?). then they updated it so each time you hit sell it restarts the timer you have to wait. For giggles I recently set up an auto-clicker to click once every second and tried to sell this one item. I set it to go, went to the TV, watched a movie, came back, it was still erroring the same item.

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Posted by: Megis.9264

Megis.9264

Whenever I get the error, it frequently doesn’t go away until I take the profits out of the TP.

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Posted by: Dench.5968

Dench.5968

For giggles I recently set up an auto-clicker to click once every second and tried to sell this one item. I set it to go, went to the TV, watched a movie, came back, it was still erroring the same item.

This looks to be the extent of this code, which is mindbogglingly week and disruptive to players who want to post 10+ items at once.

Any bot worth using can be programed to use a RNG timer on the sell button. Bots have all day to list items, I don’t.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Which is why it’s likely not an anti-bot thing but something put in so the TP remains stable.

We are heroes. This is what we do!

RIP City of Heroes

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Posted by: kahzee.6042

kahzee.6042

Heh I thought this was a bug. What a dumb idea

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Posted by: KarateKid.5648

KarateKid.5648

Maybe I assumed facts not in evidence – if this is a performance thing, why not just have “select” controls near every item (possibly with a custom sell price box) so we can hit the db one time via a “sell marked” control?

If the original intent was anti-bot, this is a complete non-starter idea. Nor is it a feature market-timing flippers would use, given they are availing themselves of volatility.

But for the average adventurer leveling in open world (with at least 50% of their loot being sold at the ask value), it would be handy.

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Posted by: Vashoom.8512

Vashoom.8512

wtf is this stupid nonsense? is this new? I’m getting it today all the time, why am I getting this? I’ve only posted 3 items today and now I’m banned from posting any more, WHAT are they thinking???!!!

Progress blocking bugs are top priority, but not all bugs are so easy to fix as others, be cool :)

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Posted by: Dench.5968

Dench.5968

wtf is this stupid nonsense? is this new? I’m getting it today all the time, why am I getting this? I’ve only posted 3 items today and now I’m banned from posting any more, WHAT are they thinking???!!!

I’m on time out from it right now. 10 items, time out. 10 items, time out.

20 out of 160 done. What would take 3 mins takes 20.

Legal game play punished for no clear reason.

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Posted by: Vashoom.8512

Vashoom.8512

They should really stop this nonsense and allow us to play the game as it was intended.
I am not happy about this at all, as most of the things I sell cannot be stacked and sold in bulk.

Progress blocking bugs are top priority, but not all bugs are so easy to fix as others, be cool :)

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Posted by: Dench.5968

Dench.5968

They should really stop this nonsense and allow us to play the game as it was intended.
I am not happy about this at all, as most of the things I sell cannot be stacked and sold in bulk.

one of the problems I have is when I remove bought items off the TP my inventory gets full. Then the TP stops feeding items into my inventory because the TP only feeds in blocks of what looks like ~40 items at once. So then I have to clear out huge chunks of my inventory in order to make space so the stacks can be seeded from my TP purchases.

Clearing 40 items out takes about 4 mins. Complete arbitrary waste of time.

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Posted by: Hell Avenger.7021

Hell Avenger.7021

How do you guys click so fast? wait… a macro??

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Posted by: Dench.5968

Dench.5968

How do you guys click so fast? wait… a macro??

Everyone i know that plays the game hits it regularly just by using a mouse when trying to sell 10+ items.

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

Mystic.5934

it’s easy to sell 1 item every 3 seconds: click item on left, click ‘match lowest sell listing’, click ‘sell’. If you do this, you get the error and can’t list the 7th item = ~21 seconds.
this has been on the TP as long as GW2 has been running, you probably just didn’t start selling quickly before now. as far as I know, no developer has ever made a comment regarding the bug that is this error message.
I agree, it’s primary goal is to encourage botting. a bot can easily be programmed to list 6 things, wait 30 seconds, list 6 things, wait 30 seconds = 17,280 listings per day.

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Posted by: Vashoom.8512

Vashoom.8512

Right then, so can anybody explain this? As you see in the vid, no items put up for sale or have been sold in the past 11 hours from making the vid a few hours ago, and yet I am unable to list ANY items.
I will try again later, but so far as I see it, I’m being permanently banned from selling items for absolutely no reason at all.

Are really you sure this is intended?
I think anet have mucked up somewhere, I’ve been playing since beta and never had this type of problem even once.

Progress blocking bugs are top priority, but not all bugs are so easy to fix as others, be cool :)

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Posted by: KarateKid.5648

KarateKid.5648

That’s abnormal – not what I was complaining about in the OP – bug.