Guild Wars 2

I actually like this idea of removing old skins from the trader, it makes this skins a lot more valuable can’t wait for them to remove the Tormented ones, maybe next year.

Yargesh.4965:

tigirius.9014:

Yargesh.4965:

tigirius.9014:

Jamin.6528:

Sounds like they’re artificially creating scarcity in an attempt to get more sales. I hate it when they do that.

I agree as if the prices weren’t high enough already.

Guess all those people who supported how they did the D3 style RMTAH can eat their words right?

The assumption seems to be ANET will profit from the skin going from say 50g to maybe 500g in 3 or 4 years. ANET will get nothing, the player that buys now will get the gold. The tax just vanishes, someone in the company does not have a bag of gold sitting on their desk that is magically created by the game.

Riiight like nobody buys gems for the express use of the gems to gold system. You do realize how wrong you are right?

Ok, I am sure a huge number of people will buy gems to buy an ugly skin that they will never use so they can in several years make a profit of gold in a game. There are people who will do this, just not a lot and I personally don’t believe ANET is basing their future income on it.

Sorry that you can’t see what’s happening but it’s been going on in various ways in this game since launch. Ask yourself this. Did they take the time to make all of the sigils and runes and their materials available 100% into the future of the game? Did they make all sigils and runes available from karma vendors without the need for that special extraction tool? Did they make all skins available post the LS events even tho they’ve stated multiple times that the temporary nature of the LS events wasn’t really their goal and they regretted making certain things no longer available? Did they remove DR from the game despite mounting evidence that DR only harms players and has done absolutely 0 to keep the bots/gold sellers from the game in almost 2 years?

If your answer is no to any of these, then you have your answer. It’s plain as plain can be that yes they are making the TP one of their major systems of revenue. And what happens to any game when the store becomes the focus of the game whether directly or indirectly?

Removing unpopular skins from the merchant seems like a reasonable action to me. It has the added benefit of adding some future cachet to the affected skins.

“ANet is removing skins that almost no one wants,” seems like an odd complaint.

It takes foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr to get enough tickets to get those. I hate when they do stuff like this.

A few months ago I bought a sclerite pistol skin for 64 gold. Now it’s going for 300. I wish I hadn’t used it now.

…wow …just wow. after all the comments and criticisms on the game in general and the latest patch in particular, this is what they choose to do?

stupid move. and i was hoping to get some of those skins as soon as i had the tickets for them. i guess people like me are not the intended market for them though, only those that will spend gems to risk the BLC RNG

I don’t think the uproar is over which ones they are taking out but just the fact that they are taking things out. Especially now that we have a wardrobe and can actually build to unlock those things. Ones that I would never have considered before, I would like to be able to unlock the skin of someday. Especially all of the wintersday items.

Hopefully when they remove sclerite they lower the price of another set to 3 tickets from 5 to maintain a value option. I’d love me a zodiac something for less.

Porterhouse.6304:

Jamin.6528:

Sounds like they’re artificially creating scarcity in an attempt to get more sales. I hate it when they do that.

^^^^^^^^ This

Though, I have to wonder if it works.

They are coming out with new weapon skins

Rezz.8019:

Skins will be available for a long time on the tradepost. There will always be people selling them. I don’t understand what is the issue. I agree with Anet that skins should be removed, there are way too many of them right now.

With as few as there are that is unlikely. -_-

reapex.8546:

Porterhouse.6304:

Jamin.6528:

Sounds like they’re artificially creating scarcity in an attempt to get more sales. I hate it when they do that.

^^^^^^^^ This

Though, I have to wonder if it works.

They are coming out with new weapon skins

I wonder if those skins will just be Sclerite with fire on them.

MeGaZlo.9516:

I’m getting tired of this game. All what I’m doing there – it’s trying to save money in time to buy something that will soon be removed from the game. And hastily make achievements until they decided to remove too. It no longer brings pleasure. A game in which nothing is permanent. Everything is not for sure.

Do you even want a scelerite skin?

Jamin.6528:

Sounds like they’re artificially creating scarcity in an attempt to get more sales. I hate it when they do that.

It’s a reason why I stopped supporting them and this (even though I do not want these specific skins) is a reason to further buy nothing with real money.
But well, most people don’t work this way and will be like “oh my god, need to buy them no” and puts in his credit card data…

I hope they get rid of those lame weapon skins that put out a few months ago, tormented I think. None of them look good, hard to think people complained about them being put in when they look terrible. The flame skins blow tormented out of the water in looks.

I am very disappointed.
Firstly because it is another broken promise. When changed daily they promised that we will be able to choose which we want to do (near 10 pve was available) now after the last patch we have only 6. They also promised not to remove option to get skins – leave them after event and only raise the price. And now they began to remove the skins? The next will probably be fused ones? And their price will increase to 3,000 gold?

Secondly, I am disappointed with those among you who think that the removal of content (in addition at the time in which all miss him) is a good thing! I did not like the skins too, but why remove them? There are people who enjoyed them.

temporary content, temporary game!

Anet, you made me sad again.

on top of this it feels like key drop from map completion was nerfed. I’ve completed the world 3 times since the 15th and 3-4 keys tops. I think I am being generous with that number.

KOPPER.1458:

on top of this it feels like key drop from map completion was nerfed. I’ve completed the world 3 times since the 15th and 3-4 keys tops. I think I am being generous with that number.

I’ve been told you get keys etc from it but not got one keep so far from any map completions.

Becka Williams.4978:

MeGaZlo.9516:

I’m getting tired of this game. All what I’m doing there – it’s trying to save money in time to buy something that will soon be removed from the game. And hastily make achievements until they decided to remove too. It no longer brings pleasure. A game in which nothing is permanent. Everything is not for sure.

Do you even want a scelerite skin?

I want ALL skins. That’s the problem. This is my “style” of play. And the game (would seem to be) designet precisely betting on this, with all of these collection cells, minis, wardrobe, not necessary equipment grind etc.
Collect until you get tired…
However, developers are constantly rushed. Collect all is simply impossible. Need huge infusion of money (unaffordable for me (and I, let’s say so, pay much MUCH more than the cost of subscription in most games).
When you realize that developers destroy something that you aspire to, the game dramatically ceases to give pleasure. And this happens in GW2 almost every month.

Becka Williams.4978:

MeGaZlo.9516:

I’m getting tired of this game. All what I’m doing there – it’s trying to save money in time to buy something that will soon be removed from the game. And hastily make achievements until they decided to remove too. It no longer brings pleasure. A game in which nothing is permanent. Everything is not for sure.

Do you even want a scelerite skin?

Sclerite? Not really. But since they started removing skins, i figure the next ones will be Fused. So i though i’d rather communicate my displeasure now, and not when it will be too late.

I wonder why they post this on Facebook on Friday and no where else…. are they trying to hide the fact that they’re removing these skins from the Black Lion trader?

Meanwhile those few that like the weapons are scrambling to try and get them and the people with money are buying all of them and raising the price to ungodly amounts

Pandaman.4758:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/05/09/working-as-intended-what-guild-wars-2-got-wrong/

The gear and lockbox situation is frustrating

Collecting armor and weapon skins in classic Guild Wars was what I lived for, but Guild Wars 2 has trapped way too much of that metagame behind a pay wall and a grind wall, which has more than once stifled my desire to play or pay for anything. The armor available in the current gem store commits the cardinal sin of being infrequent and ugly, and the nicest in-game armor skins require specific dungeon tokens (and associated grinding) in a dramatic departure from Guild Wars, which simply required you to procure the money however you preferred, acquire the materials, and complete the requisite campaigns or maps. The weapon skins are even worse; those you can find dropped or buyable normally within the game aren’t much in the eyecandy department, and the most beautiful skins require extreme grinding or the purchase of lockboxes from the cash shop — lottery tickets that give you a chance at a drop that you can trade for something worth wielding. I know the game needs to make money somehow, but this is a huge turn-off for such a cosmetic-centric game.

The cash shop offerings themselves continue to stump me. I can understand buying gold, but I don’t know who buys llama finishers (see the top image) or weak consumables or overpriced eternal harvesting tools or chef hats or lockbox lottery tickets for weapons and dyes and minipets. Yuck. I am never even tempted by these things. I want to support the game, and when I open up the cash shop, I am there to buy beautiful armor and stunning skins directly. Even better, I’d love to buy new classes, new weapon types, new skins for my minions and pets, new animations, new particle effects, new dailies options, and new explorable maps! Please let me give you my money. And let’s pass on the llama finishers.

Think this is very relevant.

I don’t think so at all. In fact it shows how out of touch Joystiq are with this review. The unlimited tools are very popular – you can see that by how many use them in open world. The Llama finisher is exatcly the sort of thing you would want in a gem store. In fact they fall under the same category as the sparkly armour skins they themselves suggest (just sparkly animations instead).

New classes and weapon types in a gem shop? That would a disaster! They even allude to that themselves in their first paragraph about pay walls! I doubt many would want to pay for new classes/weapons when they should be free with new content.

Skins is the one thing I agree with them on (except the ugliness _ I like most of them). GW has the worst lock box system I have ever seen in an MMO. A very bizarre ticketing system of skins when you could stick them in the gem shop and leave them there. Never understood this need to remove cash shop items. I’ve worked in sales for the better part of 20 years and I’m still dumbfounded by temporary gem shop items..

khani.4786:

I wonder why they post this on Facebook on Friday and no where else…. are they trying to hide the fact that they’re removing these skins from the Black Lion trader?

Meanwhile those few that like the weapons are scrambling to try and get them and the people with money are buying all of them and raising the price to ungodly amounts

They were cost 150-250g each even b4. What could be more expensive? And there are actually 16 of them… Whom are they trying to stimulate on the purchase? Children of oligarchs?

Rezz.8019:

Skins will be available for a long time on the tradepost. There will always be people selling them. I don’t understand what is the issue. I agree with Anet that skins should be removed, there are way too many of them right now.

Because giving us more choices is bad?

Ashen.2907:

Removing unpopular skins from the merchant seems like a reasonable action to me. It has the added benefit of adding some future cachet to the affected skins.

“ANet is removing skins that almost no one wants,” seems like an odd complaint.

What if I want some of those skins? Or in your mind is it fine for the few to suffer for the choices of the many?

Katz.5143:

I don’t think the uproar is over which ones they are taking out but just the fact that they are taking things out. Especially now that we have a wardrobe and can actually build to unlock those things. Ones that I would never have considered before, I would like to be able to unlock the skin of someday. Especially all of the wintersday items.

Basically voicing my thought here. This is going to be a thorn in my side for the rest of time I play GW2, suddenly my wardrobe will have even more un-fillable holes.

Becka Williams.4978:

MeGaZlo.9516:

I’m getting tired of this game. All what I’m doing there – it’s trying to save money in time to buy something that will soon be removed from the game. And hastily make achievements until they decided to remove too. It no longer brings pleasure. A game in which nothing is permanent. Everything is not for sure.

Do you even want a scelerite skin?

Not my first choice, but there’s a couple of them that don’t look bad. So I’d say yeah I’d want some.

MeGaZlo.9516:

I want ALL skins. That’s the problem. This is my “style” of play. And the game (would seem to be) designet precisely betting on this, with all of these collection cells, minis, wardrobe, not necessary equipment grind etc.
Collect until you get tired…
However, developers are constantly rushed. Collect all is simply impossible. Need huge infusion of money (unaffordable for me (and I, let’s say so, pay much MUCH more than the cost of subscription in most games).
When you realize that developers destroy something that you aspire to, the game dramatically ceases to give pleasure. And this happens in GW2 almost every month.

yeah I’m feel punished for not playing the game how ANet wanted, not spending all my money on keys.

Becka Williams.4978:

Well, to be fair, the BL weapon traders will look pretty stupid with tons of bags on their merchant popup. They’re probably removing weapons that aren’t very popular. I mean, you had a long time to get them, and does anyone like the scelerite weapons so much that they’re willing to waste 3 tickets or 30 scraps on them? (the trading post says no)

Yes the menu was pretty big and could use an overhaul. However, I don’t think removing content is they way to go. At this rate they could add 2 new weapon sets when LS S2 starts and decide “hey let’s remove Fused and Aetherized to make room for 2 more”, I don’t see how that would benefit anyone. A much simple solution would be to provide a secondary BL Weapon Specialist, I believe there already are 2 in every city, they could just be selling different things. Or spread them out even more and give each city vendor a different set and just rotate between who gets a new one with releases to keep their sell tabs at even numbers.

Becka Williams.4978:

Well, to be fair, the BL weapon traders will look pretty stupid with tons of bags on their merchant popup. They’re probably removing weapons that aren’t very popular. I mean, you had a long time to get them, and does anyone like the scelerite weapons so much that they’re willing to waste 3 tickets or 30 scraps on them? (the trading post says no)

I might have had a ling time, but because of RNG I’m still a long way off from getting even one…

MeGaZlo.9516:

Becka Williams.4978:

MeGaZlo.9516:

I’m getting tired of this game. All what I’m doing there – it’s trying to save money in time to buy something that will soon be removed from the game. And hastily make achievements until they decided to remove too. It no longer brings pleasure. A game in which nothing is permanent. Everything is not for sure.

Do you even want a scelerite skin?

I want ALL skins. That’s the problem. This is my “style” of play. And the game (would seem to be) designet precisely betting on this, with all of these collection cells, minis, wardrobe, not necessary equipment grind etc.
Collect until you get tired…
However, developers are constantly rushed. Collect all is simply impossible. Need huge infusion of money (unaffordable for me (and I, let’s say so, pay much MUCH more than the cost of subscription in most games).
When you realize that developers destroy something that you aspire to, the game dramatically ceases to give pleasure. And this happens in GW2 almost every month.

Did you play guild wars 1? So, what you want is to eventually get all the skins, but you can’t afford to? How do you plan to get every skin in the game without spending a lot of gold?

Hopefully the skins will be implemented as in game rewards for completing certain challenges, or perhaps as PvP rewards!

Not unlikely.

I am firmly against this move too. I really don’t understand how removing more choice from players is a good thing. Making these limited time weapons forever available from Black Lion Weapon Merchants was one of the best moves that ANet ever did; it made it possible for players to obtain the skin they wanted as a long-term goal. Now players who want these skins, but were content to slowly work towards them, will have to scramble to buy them or gamble on BLKeys. It’s an obvious marketing ploy to increase short-term sales, but at the cost of harming customer loyalty and goodwill. It feels like a pushy salesman trying to get you to buy something, and I HATE feeling pressured into a purchase.

I’m guessing that the Winter and Sclerite weapons were chosen because they’re the most unpopular sets, but instead of removing them, why not make them cheaper? The reduced price on BL weapons caused notable interest on many weapon skins, but I suspect many buyers stayed away because they didn’t have anywhere to store them. Now that the Wardrobe is here, that problem is eliminated.

If the issue is having too many tabs in the merchant, then here’s a suggestion: Change each of the BL weapons skins to a Weapon Chest. Like other weapon chests, once you open it, you get to pick which skin you want. That cuts down 19 weapons to one, and the skins can be organised in tabs according to either year (2013/2014 etc.) or by theme (festival = Winter/Halloween/Dragon Bash etc.)

Becka Williams.4978:

MeGaZlo.9516:

Becka Williams.4978:

MeGaZlo.9516:

I’m getting tired of this game. All what I’m doing there – it’s trying to save money in time to buy something that will soon be removed from the game. And hastily make achievements until they decided to remove too. It no longer brings pleasure. A game in which nothing is permanent. Everything is not for sure.

Do you even want a scelerite skin?

I want ALL skins. That’s the problem. This is my “style” of play. And the game (would seem to be) designet precisely betting on this, with all of these collection cells, minis, wardrobe, not necessary equipment grind etc.
Collect until you get tired…
However, developers are constantly rushed. Collect all is simply impossible. Need huge infusion of money (unaffordable for me (and I, let’s say so, pay much MUCH more than the cost of subscription in most games).
When you realize that developers destroy something that you aspire to, the game dramatically ceases to give pleasure. And this happens in GW2 almost every month.

Did you play guild wars 1? So, what you want is to eventually get all the skins, but you can’t afford to? How do you plan to get every skin in the game without spending a lot of gold?

I did.
The fundamental difference was that there was no time limits. Therefore, in order to afford anything, you just had to collect and/or accumulate something on it. When and on what you spent money your decide yourself. This game puts a unclear time frames on too many things at once. Collect the money on everything is just impossible (trust me, at the time I sold dozens of legendarys) When you spend hundreds of dollars a month on the game, the question is not whether you CAN afford but is it really needed to you? I see very little of the game. Basically I just spend money.

I don’t have an issue with this….

First, there is nothing saying that these will never be back. Of course, conversely there is nothing saying they will either, but if we’ve seen anything from Anet, it is their use of repetition. I do believe that these would come back eventually, though perhaps in a more guaranteed manner of purchase. Which, I know some would prefer. I wouldn’t be surprised if the winter’s weapons started returning as an annual thing as part of wintersday (which was how they started).

Second, all merchants have ‘clearance’ sales where they simply prune their selections. That’s all this is. They are ‘phasing out’ old merchandise that isn’t selling or isn’t popular enough, and making room for new stuff. It’s really not like this is some unheard of, underhanded tactic. We experience it every day in the real world.

Or maybe they are going to add a way to get them by playing the game (pvp tracks come to mind) they did say they are going to add ways to get living world items from pvp and imo it would be hard to make a track for a single living world arc that contains 8 tiers without some weapon boxes. that would be great, it would also help pvp’ers make money… but anyway lets hope they put them in the game some other way.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I don’t have an issue with this….

First, there is nothing saying that these will never be back. Of course, conversely there is nothing saying they will either, but if we’ve seen anything from Anet, it is their use of repetition. I do believe that these would come back eventually, though perhaps in a more guaranteed manner of purchase. Which, I know some would prefer. I wouldn’t be surprised if the winter’s weapons started returning as an annual thing as part of wintersday (which was how they started).

Second, all merchants have ‘clearance’ sales where they simply prune their selections. That’s all this is. They are ‘phasing out’ old merchandise that isn’t selling or isn’t popular enough, and making room for new stuff. It’s really not like this is some unheard of, underhanded tactic. We experience it every day in the real world.

This is not a real world, m8. They have already removed the tone of things that did not return after. They just do not care, i think. I rather believe that they do it because they have no desire to bother putting one more merchant in each capital.

khani.4786:

Why is this not announced here anywhere? They’re removing one of my favorite sets before I’ve had a chance to get them all….

Because posts like this generate more interest (and potential sales) if they are “outrage” posts from players than an announcement (that will likely be put out in the next few days).

MeGaZlo.9516:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I don’t have an issue with this….

First, there is nothing saying that these will never be back. Of course, conversely there is nothing saying they will either, but if we’ve seen anything from Anet, it is their use of repetition. I do believe that these would come back eventually, though perhaps in a more guaranteed manner of purchase. Which, I know some would prefer. I wouldn’t be surprised if the winter’s weapons started returning as an annual thing as part of wintersday (which was how they started).

Second, all merchants have ‘clearance’ sales where they simply prune their selections. That’s all this is. They are ‘phasing out’ old merchandise that isn’t selling or isn’t popular enough, and making room for new stuff. It’s really not like this is some unheard of, underhanded tactic. We experience it every day in the real world.

This is not a real world, m8. They have already removed the tone of things that did not return after. They just do not care, i think. I rather believe that they do it because they have no desire to bother putting one more merchant in each capital.

/begin rant
You know, people only use the ‘its not real world’ argument only when it suits their needs. Otherwise its a perfectly fine and useful comparison. Make up your minds one way or the other people, you can’t have it both ways. (general ‘you’, not ‘you’ specific)
/end rant

/on topic
I realize this is not ‘real world,’ it is a game. All games have features that are modeled after real world concepts, whether we like them or not.

My point, however, was simply that this is not some unheard of backhanded tactic. (Since people were carrying on like this was some new, unheard of thing) Retailers do it every day. For whatever reason(s), they have opted to copy this model. If these skins are not popular, and are not being purchased, I can understand this choice. Additionally, by removing them – ie, making them ‘limited time’ once again, it increases the player’s desire to obtain them which, yes, generates more revenue for the company in the form of additional sales. This isn’t new. Nor has it ever been an unacceptable practice in retail. This feature in the game just adds a touch more depth and realism to it. To make players realize ‘well kitten, it’s not going to be there for ever and ever’ and that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Could they potentially never return? Sadly, yes. That is always a risk we run. However, people believed that fused and jade weapons would never return either, and they did. We simply don’t know, and can’t know one way or the other, because we can’t see the future.

Prices have already doubled. When I first saw this post I thought about buying a few to sell when they become rare, now I regret not doing it.

Does anyone here even remember that the Molten Weapons, and even the Sclerite i think, were initially accountbound and also only available for a short time ?

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

MeGaZlo.9516:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I don’t have an issue with this….

First, there is nothing saying that these will never be back. Of course, conversely there is nothing saying they will either, but if we’ve seen anything from Anet, it is their use of repetition. I do believe that these would come back eventually, though perhaps in a more guaranteed manner of purchase. Which, I know some would prefer. I wouldn’t be surprised if the winter’s weapons started returning as an annual thing as part of wintersday (which was how they started).

Second, all merchants have ‘clearance’ sales where they simply prune their selections. That’s all this is. They are ‘phasing out’ old merchandise that isn’t selling or isn’t popular enough, and making room for new stuff. It’s really not like this is some unheard of, underhanded tactic. We experience it every day in the real world.

This is not a real world, m8. They have already removed the tone of things that did not return after. They just do not care, i think. I rather believe that they do it because they have no desire to bother putting one more merchant in each capital.

/begin rant
You know, people only use the ‘its not real world’ argument only when it suits their needs. Otherwise its a perfectly fine and useful comparison. Make up your minds one way or the other people, you can’t have it both ways. (general ‘you’, not ‘you’ specific)
/end rant

/on topic
I realize this is not ‘real world,’ it is a game. All games have features that are modeled after real world concepts, whether we like them or not.

My point, however, was simply that this is not some unheard of backhanded tactic. (Since people were carrying on like this was some new, unheard of thing) Retailers do it every day. For whatever reason(s), they have opted to copy this model. If these skins are not popular, and are not being purchased, I can understand this choice. Additionally, by removing them – ie, making them ‘limited time’ once again, it increases the player’s desire to obtain them which, yes, generates more revenue for the company in the form of additional sales. This isn’t new. Nor has it ever been an unacceptable practice in retail. This feature in the game just adds a touch more depth and realism to it. To make players realize ‘well kitten, it’s not going to be there for ever and ever’ and that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Could they potentially never return? Sadly, yes. That is always a risk we run. However, people believed that fused and jade weapons would never return either, and they did. We simply don’t know, and can’t know one way or the other, because we can’t see the future.

People use argument “like in the real world” in the same circumstances. But it, all the same, is a game. The game which, btw, we had already bought. You can not build the whole economy of b2p game on the principles designed only to sell as much as possible to players. Need to comply with reasonable limits. In my opinion, this game has passed them.

i might know a good fix to prevent such things to happen, don’t drop scraps and double the chance for a token.
i only have 2 scraps and have bin in my storage for about a year now, it’s time they actually reward players with useful stuff rather then giving useless crap.
SWTOR has the same thing but they at least reward players with something guaranteed useful, it doesn’t have to be your taste but it’s still better then the boosters/cannisters/scraps the BLC gives.

Beldin.5498:

Does anyone here even remember that the Molten Weapons, and even the Sclerite i think, were initially accountbound and also only available for a short time ?

Oh I quite remember that and I also remember how bloody mad I was that despite my constant farming I never got a single sclerite weapon during the original event. I was elated to have them become available even if they were behind horrible RNG tickets. I still had a chance to get some (and I did).

I couldn’t care less about the Sclerite skins, one of my least favorite weapon sets in the entire game. Not a fan of bloody eyes on my weapons, thanks. And I’ve already got the 3 Winters skins I want (staff, longbow, and GS) though I wouldn’t mind picking up a dagger at some point for my Elementalist. Not that I’d ever get one via tickets anyway since I refuse to play BLTC gambling crap, I’d just have to buy it from the TP.

That said, even though I don’t particularly care about either of the sets being removed, I still think its a bad idea. The whole point of adding the Black Lion Weapon Specialists was to allow people to grab old skins for tickets as a long-term goal. And removing skins from them sort of directly opposes that concept. I mean, granted, Anet may have hinted at this from the beginning since the weapon specialists themselves in game have always said stuff like “we TRY to keep them all in stock” but I still think its a bad idea to remove any of them, regardless of how popular they may be.

If “vendor bloat” is that much of a problem (which I don’t think it is, since all the different sets are is a different tab, its not like they’re all just listed at once) then they can do something like making 2 different weapon specialists, a “historical” one that holds older skins and the normal one which has maybe the last 3-4 sets.

Also, announcing it on Facebook and only Facebook? Crap move there. Though maybe it’ll show up in the Tuesday BLT update which hasn’t been put on the official website yet.

MeGaZlo.9516:

People use argument “like in the real world” in the same circumstances. But it, all the same, is a game. The game which, btw, we had already bought. You can not build the whole economy of b2p game on the principles designed only to sell as much as possible to players. Need to comply with reasonable limits. In my opinion, this game has passed them.

I don’t see how comparing it to the real life scenario it’s modeled after is such a big deal. Like I said before, I was simply pointing out that they are simply modeling a concept that already exists. Its nothing new, but that’s beside the point now.

Yup it’s a game. Yup we already bought it. I don’t believe their base principle is to sell as much to the player as they can. (Although, as with all businesses I’m sure they have a bottom line that they have to work with) There is a heck of a lot more they could have easily locked behind pay walls, but didn’t. I will agree that at times they stress the gem shop a bit much, but I don’t think they have surpassed that reasonable limit you’re talking about. Although, that probably varies from person to person by a wide margin.

Anet HAS to make money on Gem sales or the Servers shut down.

I’m all for getting it from players that want to play dress up and completionist collector rather than me. (I have bought a few skin sets and buy Gems monthly, so I’ve supported the game also).

Brother Grimm.5176:

Anet HAS to make money on Gem sales or the Servers shut down.

I’m all for getting it from players that want to play dress up and completionist collector rather than me. (I have bought a few skin sets and buy Gems monthly, so I’ve supported the game also).

Implying that there is no other possible, less exploitative way to make money? I mean, off the very top of my head, if they wanted to sell more keys/make money then they could make black lion chests more rewarding, or guarantee at least a ticket scrap per chest, or sell the skins directly in the gemstore – ANYTHING other than this “Key sale! ohbtwifyoudon’tbuynowyouloseaccesstotheseskinsindefinitelylol”

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

/begin rant
You know, people only use the ‘its not real world’ argument only when it suits their needs. Otherwise its a perfectly fine and useful comparison. Make up your minds one way or the other people, you can’t have it both ways. (general ‘you’, not ‘you’ specific)
/end rant

/on topic
I realize this is not ‘real world,’ it is a game. All games have features that are modeled after real world concepts, whether we like them or not.

My point, however, was simply that this is not some unheard of backhanded tactic. (Since people were carrying on like this was some new, unheard of thing) Retailers do it every day.

In this case the “not a real world” argument is valid.

You have to remember the reason behind clearance sales in real world. They are used to (as their name implies) clear magazine space out of things that don’t sell. It is used, because magazine space is not only limited, but costly. No real world shop can afford to keep merchandize on shelves for too long.

This is not the case in this game. This “clearance” sale has absolutely nothing to do with clearance. The “magazine” space is not freed (the skins will not be removed from the game – they will remain in wardrobe, or on people who have them already). What is saved are two tabs on a npc – whose cost is negligible.

TL/DR: there’s absolutely no justification to comparing this situation with real life “equivalents”, because real life considerations behind those equivalents do not apply here.

Astralporing.1957:

In this case the “not a real world” argument is valid.

You have to remember the reason behind clearance sales in real world. They are used to (as their name implies) clear magazine space out of things that don’t sell. It is used, because magazine space is not only limited, but costly. No real world shop can afford to keep merchandize on shelves for too long.

This is not the case in this game. This “clearance” sale has absolutely nothing to do with clearance. The “magazine” space is not freed (the skins will not be removed from the game – they will remain in wardrobe, or on people who have them already). What is saved are two tabs on a npc – whose cost is negligible.

TL/DR: there’s absolutely no justification to comparing this situation with real life “equivalents”, because real life considerations behind those equivalents do not apply here.

In a sense the same is happening in game. People have complained / are complaining that some of the npcs have too many tabs to dig through to find what they are after. Anet is ‘clearing out’ unpopular or low selling (theoretically, don’t know for sure) items to reuse those tabs for new lines. Its the same concept.

Yes, if you’re talking data space on the back end, it’s extremely negligible. However UI space is limited, and while they could indeed add yet another merchant npc, that would only further aggravate those claiming that there is too much to dig through.

Honestly, the suggestion made previously is probably the best idea. For items in the wardrobe that require a purchase via gems or black lion tickets, have some type of mouse over that you can simply ‘click and purchase’. No hunting down the npc. Streamlined purchasing. No need to remove a set to make space. No muss, no fuss, no hassle. I like it.

Removing these skins is just a bad idea.

It will make the cost of these skins sky rocket just like the Chainsaw Greatsaw skins and others. Making them nearly impossible for players to acquire them in future.

What would be more reasonable is to possibly make them cost 6 BL tickets instead of 5 or something where they go up in price.
Put a 2nd tab in the same vendor for future weps and that will fix the problem.

The whole argument that the npc can only hold so many is just not a valid argument, there are various npcs that have various tabs and choices, see: Laurel vendor.

Also Now is the time to make a stand against such decisions or next month they will announce that more permanent content is being taken out of the game.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

People have complained / are complaining that some of the npcs have too many tabs to dig through to find what they are after. Anet is ‘clearing out’ unpopular or low selling (theoretically, don’t know for sure) items to reuse those tabs for new lines. Its the same concept.

I doubt it. They can not do the “create all” button to MF or “use all” option at inventory, but when it comes to deleting anything they right there. Really. After all, it is much more important functionally option – people are always lost in these tabs, right? It became just impossible to play…

I thought they were being removed because the Weapon Vendor is getting clutterkittened? If that were the case, they can just add the sets in a bag and allow the users to pick from the bag. With each set in a bag, the vendors could sell more. And if there is a change in ticket price, it could be moved seamlessly onto another tab.

MeGaZlo.9516:

I doubt it. They can not do the “create all” button to MF or “use all” option at inventory, but when it comes to deleting anything they right there. Really. After all, it is much more important functionally option – people are always lost in these tabs, right? It became just impossible to play…

You’d be surprised what people gripe about…

I don’t know why they didn’t bother putting those functions in, I’m not a dev. I have no clue what they are thinking. Although, they never put such functions into GW1 either. Maybe they consider them trivial and not as important as you and others seem to considering them to be. Would they be nice? Sure. Handy? Yup.

They aren’t really deleting anything, they are just disabling it. It’s less than a 10 sec query to do (set column = false where x criteria = y. basically). Coding for the other options might require a little more since you need the coded functionality, the ui graphic, any additional animation, and potentially sound. I mean, it’s not huge but it is a heck of a lot more work in comparison. Sort of beside the point though.

We’ll see these skins again though. I’m almost positive of it. Maybe even available through better options, but who knows.

Well that’s just…sad and disappointing. In all honesty I always wanted to get at least one sclerite weapon(greatsword), now that will be way harder, as they will probably go up in price to 400 or even 500g. I don’t mind working for something, but that will just give players more reasons to midnlessly farm gold.

Please don’t do that, whatever your reason. Only because some people like other skins more, it doesn’t mean they don’t like these at all. Add another merchant if needed. If I recall correctly Lion’s Arch had 2 or 3 merchants with the same stuff anyway and there was nothing wrong with that.