Guild Wars 2

I just attempted to sell a lv 50 rare to handed sword. I put a price on it north of 16 silver, and got 3.02 back.

The market manipulation is that bad.

It appears I am literally locked out of the economy, and as such the high levels of the game. Getting the high level items by sheer farming is effectively impossible.

The only people happy with the TP are those that abused it. As far as I am concerned the TP is too broken to be used.

What do you mean you only got 3.02 back? Is that the profit after factoring in cost of materials (in which case it seems completely reasonable)? Or is that the amount in your pickup window (in which case it’s either not from your sword at all, or it’s a bug and you should submit a support ticket)?

Or do you mean you paid 16s to craft it and it was only selling for 3.02s on the TP? In that case, you probably should have done more research before making it.

I also do not understand what in the Sam Hail you are talking about. Pretty sure the answer to the thread title is “No,” though.

nope. literally priced at 16 silver got back 3. i didn;t buy any of the mats i farmed them

What do you mean “you got back 3?” That sentence makes no sense to others with no context of what you are trying to present to us.

Nightwind Of Dwayna.3250:

I also do not understand what in the Sam Hail you are talking about. Pretty sure the answer to the thread title is “No,” though.

look up the pump and dump and market manipulation threads. What we’ve got is an 1890s style stock market. and it’s going in the same direction.

bombastinator.8965:

Nightwind Of Dwayna.3250:

I also do not understand what in the Sam Hail you are talking about. Pretty sure the answer to the thread title is “No,” though.

look up the pump and dump and market manipulation threads. What we’ve got is an 1890s style stock market. and it’s going in the same direction.

Even if your item was subject to “pump and dump”, the only ways you could have received 3s from a 16s listing is if a) there was a bug, b) you listed the item at a lower price than what you thought you did, or c) you responded to the changing prices and relisted the item at a lower price.

If a) then report the bug to ArenaNet. If b) then check your listing prices more carefully in future.

Yeah, people are confused here because that … should be a mechanical impossibility.

Unless you’re saying you relisted it continously until you got 3.02 silver from it, then that wasn’t market manipulation, it was something funky with the game system.

No. TP is working fine. I also cannot see how you listed it for “North of 16 s.” And only recieved 3 s. unless what you are saying it cost you 12s. and you got back 15 s. so you only profited 3 s. In which the issue is PBKaC.

So did you make a 3s profit from a 16s item or did you make a 13s loss?

could be a bug but its happened more than once 13 silver loss. or more accurately I sold it for 16 and i got barely above merchant price

Maybe you accidentally accepted an order. Or maybe the item didn’t even sell yet but something else did?

16+ silver for lvl 50 rare item does not sound like an instant sale.

bombastinator.8965:

I just attempted to sell a lv 50 rare to handed sword. I put a price on it north of 16 silver, and got 3.02 back.

The market manipulation is that bad.

It appears I am literally locked out of the economy, and as such the high levels of the game. Getting the high level items by sheer farming is effectively impossible.

The only people happy with the TP are those that abused it. As far as I am concerned the TP is too broken to be used.

Doomsayer much?

How are you locked out of the high levels of the game cause you cant wear the armor or weapon you think looks the best? Are you even at the high levels of the game?

You don’t have to buy anything from the tp. Just run the dungeons all the stat combinations are in the dungeons only thing you could miss out on is some runes for your armor but you can get some majors or minors until you can afford the Superiors and you get money from either farming cursed or running dungeons.

Where do these people come from. Hyperbole

TBH it sounds like you meant to sell it at 16s but actually ended up doing a “Sell to highest buyer”. I’ve done it on occassion and lost a lot more than 15s…

What Morphemass said pretty much is the answer.

Yeah, if you list an item for 16s, there is absolutely nothing any other player can do (short of actually hacking the trading post), that would result in you getting only 3s for it.

So one of the following is true:
1) There’s a bug that’s only affecting you.
2) You screwed up and did not actually list it for the price you thought you did.
3) You screwed up and did not correctly interpret the source of the 3s in your pickup tab, and the item hasn’t actually sold yet.

While all of the following are definitely false:
1) This happened because of pump-and-dump.
2) This happened because it’s like the 1890s up in here.
3) This happened because the rich get richer on the backs of the poor.

Ameepa.6793:

Maybe you accidentally accepted an order. Or maybe the item didn’t even sell yet but something else did?

16+ silver for lvl 50 rare item does not sound like an instant sale.

it was lowest price at the time. Was a berserkers greatsword. high demand item.

Hippocampus.8470:

Yeah, if you list an item for 16s, there is absolutely nothing any other player can do (short of actually hacking the trading post), that would result in you getting only 3s for it.

So one of the following is true:
1) There’s a bug that’s only affecting you.
2) You screwed up and did not actually list it for the price you thought you did.
3) You screwed up and did not correctly interpret the source of the 3s in your pickup tab, and the item hasn’t actually sold yet.

While all of the following are definitely false:
1) This happened because of pump-and-dump.
2) This happened because it’s like the 1890s up in here.
3) This happened because the rich get richer on the backs of the poor.

that’s a false syllogism. You might be able to say that none of those are the reason this happened, but it doesn’t make them false. I’m a guildmaster and as such I look at a lot of guild chatter, player levels and what they are looking for. i also talk to other guildmasters.

the differences in wealth levels int this game is incredibly vast. Bombay level vast.

Here’s an example: Occasionally you will see a guy with a blue arrow over his/her head. That’s a commander’s rating which allows you to make a party of 40 instead of 5. They cost 100 gold. Parts for legendary weapons are selling north of 200 gold, and the guildmaster i talked to wasn;t worried. he had the cash, all he needed was enough karma to make his backup weapon set. the guy told me not to use magic find gear and instead use ominom bars and magic find boosters, which he keeps up constantly when he is playing. He does this by buying gems with gold by the way, he’s not just dropping loads of money into the gem store.

How many people reading this have those kind of resources in comparison to the numbers that don’t?

morphemass.2850:

TBH it sounds like you meant to sell it at 16s but actually ended up doing a “Sell to highest buyer”. I’ve done it on occassion and lost a lot more than 15s…

possible

Enjoy your TP boycott, hope it goes well for you (it won’t).

bombastinator.8965:

that’s a false syllogism. You might be able to say that none of those are the reason this happened, but it doesn’t make them false.

It’s not a false syllogism, since I said it didn’t happen because of any of those things. Which means I did say none of those things was the reason it happened. I never claimed any of them was false, only that they have nothing to do with your inability to read and/or understand the TP interface.

I’m a guildmaster and as such I look at a lot of guild chatter, player levels and what they are looking for. i also talk to other guildmasters.

the differences in wealth levels int this game is incredibly vast. Bombay level vast.

So the hell what? No one in this game starves if they have less wealth than others. No one gets murdered over a loaf of bread. No one loses their job or their house or their car if they can’t make payments on time, since there are no payments to make on time.

This tendency you and others have to complain about the TP through analogy to real-world problems that can arise from unequal wealth distribution is absurd bordering on the insane. Bringing up Bombay or Haiti or African food aid or whatever you’ll post about next is completely unrelated to what happens in GW2, where everyone has enough to eat all the time because food (along with everything else) is not actually necessary to survive.

More importantly, it’s not a false syllogism because it isn’t a syllogism.

Well yeah, that too. As a former philosophy major, I guess I’ve just become immune to being bothered when people throw around words like that without understanding their meaning.