Guild Wars 2

I was exploring with my Asura and I found some Iron Legions charrs in a cave, after talking to one of them he let me join his warband and gave me a bandana. Lore-wise, has it ever been known for Charr legionnaires to recruit any of the other races of Tyria into their warband?

A warband may do it. But I think they would be hard pressed for the legion to accept that member as an equal. Much less multiple legions who don’t answer to anybody in the first legion.

Say Smodur makes a human an honorary member. Charr society deems that he has to constantly establish himself as “Alpha” in order to lead. Any challenge to his authority may target that human as a weakness. Anybody with a lower rank that makes a human an honorary member wouldn’t be able to save that human from a higher ranked charr. And a higher ranked charr may hold that human to higher charr standards. So a careless word or sideways glance could be a death sentence. And that honorary member would only be protected by the strength of the member or members that made them part of the wb. But the limits of that protection would be limited by the strength of the charr. With the highest possible protection being the unlikely event that the entire WB is in favor of the appointment. But that protection would be limited by the strength of the WB.

So, to answer your question, I have no idea if it has ever happened :P But if it did that individual would be expected to pull their own weight to the standards of a charr that has grown up in a very Spartan, very militant society.

Unless he was Norn.. then I’m pretty sure the entire Charr would grovel at his feet, due to his superhuman strength. There would be no Charr able to stand up to the Norn.. and he would eventually become the next Khan-Ur.

Aint that right dusfinger?

^ The average warrior Norn is likely to beat the average warrior Charr in a one on one fight. The Charr who become leaders and high-ranking officers in the Legion are likely to be the most skilled, dangerous fighters of their race. Only the best Norn champions could hope to defeat them, and said Norn champions are likely to be off chasing their own legends (or just go “Yeah! I won! Here, you can have the position back. I have no interest in actually leading an army. I just wanted to fight the best fighter the Charr could offer.”)

And back to the OP’s question, didn’t Rytlock actually make Logan an honorary member of the Stone warband? So it probably does happen, but it’s extremely rare.

Maybe not in the warband, but they could probably easily get away with calling it a guild.

This happens in the “dude, where’s my tank?” norn storyline, in fact. Your character becomes an honorary member of the Gear warband.

Apparition.1576:

Unless he was Norn.. then I’m pretty sure the entire Charr would grovel at his feet, due to his superhuman strength. There would be no Charr able to stand up to the Norn.. and he would eventually become the next Khan-Ur.

Aint that right dusfinger?

Fanboi-ism only sees fanboi-ism.

First Logan is a member of the Stone warband, as he got a blood legion amulet from Rytlock.

For the norn storyline, you´re a temporary forced member as you managed to loose their tank. Not necessarily the way to become a “honorary” member

Dustfinger.9510:

Apparition.1576:

Unless he was Norn.. then I’m pretty sure the entire Charr would grovel at his feet, due to his superhuman strength. There would be no Charr able to stand up to the Norn.. and he would eventually become the next Khan-Ur.

Aint that right dusfinger?

Fanboi-ism only sees fanboi-ism.

First of all I like how you always like your own posts. That’s cute…

But seriously, all I did was agree and maybe slightly over-exaggerate everything you preach while proving a point.

Apparition.1576:

Dustfinger.9510:

Apparition.1576:

Unless he was Norn.. then I’m pretty sure the entire Charr would grovel at his feet, due to his superhuman strength. There would be no Charr able to stand up to the Norn.. and he would eventually become the next Khan-Ur.

Aint that right dusfinger?

Fanboi-ism only sees fanboi-ism.

First of all I like how you always like your own posts. That’s cute…

But seriously, all I did was agree and maybe slightly over-exaggerate everything you preach while proving a point.

I only have one account. I can’t like my own posts. it’s cute that you think my interaction with you is worth that kind of effort. Though, it’s kind of sad how you abandon lore points in favor of “proving a point” in other threads like this. It reeks of bitterness on your part. And it demonstrates that your lore points can’t stand on their own.

I on the other hand readily list charr advantages over norn when the conversation calls for it. And I do it without confusing charr qualities with grawl qualities.

Ryttlock invited Logan to his warband somewhere in one of the books. Just before the edge of destiny got broken due to certain issues (not spoiling the book or game story for those who haven’t done either yet). This is because in Rytlock’s eyes, Logan was a worthy opponent but more importantly, someone he trusted his life with and would feel safe with him as his rear-guard.

So yes it is done now and then but I think that the act will cause a lot of commotion. To invite someone to your warband, you have to be the legionnaire. Legionnaire’s position can be claimed by anyone lower ranked by just defeating him in a fight. So if anyone in the warband dislikes having non-charrs in the warband, it might cause a small rebellion.

Centurions and higher ranked often don’t care what happens in a warband, as long as capable Charr that are worth something don’t get killed or if they still have enough members in the warband to function well.

At this time it’s extremely unconventional and likely to cause waves within the more conservative of charr society. It’s not absolutely unheard of however.

If you look at the young ones who are raised together interracially, the idea comes naturally.

Given a generation or two if things keep going smoothly between the races of Tyria, it’s entirely possible to see multiracial warbands.

Some within charr society consider the Vigil an interracial branch given it was founded by charr.

Recently, Rox choose Braham’s guild over a spot in Rytlock’s warband.

If this becomes a trend, charr society may have to consider the other races as potential parts of the war machine.

I mean if they’re loyal to the legions and the chain of command, what can anyone say really? But, that’s some radical thinking at this moment.

And granted, at this time all the points raised by Dustfinger are very valid. If someone in the warband isn’t happy with the arrangement, charr politics are very brutal.

If they’re challenged because of this and defeated, not a thing can be done about it. The chain of command will be respected above all.

A well meaning charr could get themselves or their non-charr friend killed if they’re not careful or particularly skilled.

Say you have a bitter war m8 about the whole thing? I hope you and your non-charr friend sleep with your eyes open.

Cobiah Marriner nearly had his own Iron Legion warband in one of the novels.
In fact, during one of his attempts to steal a ship he said something like “We are Charr” and had them cheering.

Even though he wasn’t Charr, apparently a Human like him could get Sykox Steamshroud to ‘adopt’ him into the band.

Combine that with Rox and Rytlock, I wouldn’t be surprised.

Name.9625:

For the norn storyline, you´re a temporary forced member as you managed to loose their tank. Not necessarily the way to become a “honorary” member

At the end of the arc, Ballista Geargrind tells you that her warband decided to make you an honorary member.

But only because you prove yourself to them.

While Norn are better individual fighters than Charr, they are actually not all that welcome in a Warband – They tend to be too full of themselves, and poor ‘team players’.

Blood Legion doesn’t want Norn because they don’t follow orders promptly.
Ash Legion doesn’t want Norn because they tend to be like LEEROY JENKINS! on missions that are supposed to be about stealth.
Iron Legion doesn’t want Norn because they keep getting drunk, taking the tank for a joyride, getting in the way of firelines or artillery strikes, and prone to breaking the samoflange (I’m surprised that there WASN’T a samoflange joke tossed into the “Where’s Our Tank” questline, at least that I saw)

I remember in that quest where they blow it up with a mine, and I was really disspointed no one said “You’re only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!”

As I know, non charrs may be members of a warband by warband leader’s decision. For example I heard, that Logan is honorable member of Stone warband, but I can’t confirm that.

Logan was given a blood legion emblem, which basically made him a member of the legion (gift from Rytlock)

Also, I’ll note Sartharina, that charr in the Black Ciatdel actually and explicitly state they WISH they had more Norn allies working with them.

Everyone wants more Norn allies working with them. The problem is most Norn don’t want to work with others, and there’s no guarantee that if you do get a Norn working alongside you that it will actually work WITH you.

Norn aren’t that unfriendly and anti group. There are LARGE numbers of them in the orders (mainly Priory and Vigil, as well as lionguard). If they couldn’t operate in a command structure or in groups, that would never happen.

In that dialogue, they finish with “At least solid numbers of them are joining the vigil” so while they aren’t aiding the fight against flame legion, they are helping in another way.

Norn, no norn, I say every warband has the right to use all tools available. If they come in the form of other races so be it.

^ Wisdom of a true Legionnaire.

It seems unlikely, but I guess its possible that they’d accept non-charr. On the wiki is said that Warbands typically consisted of 5-15 (up to 20) members. This would mean that they are family oriented or at least fairly close knit group. Being a part of Charr culture would probably make it less acceptable to break tradition and accept outsiders. If anything they might accept someone if they proved themselves worthy on the battlefield and earn the respect of the high ranking Charr.

Still I really don’t see any race that would really fit in. Norn are typically independent or travel in small groups with other norn. They don’t need to form large groups for survival and probably don’t care about what the Charr are up to. Theres also the long standing feud between Charr vs. Humans which would carry alot of bad blood between the two races. Asura/Sylvari are too small and squishy to be of any use to the Legion.

Norn also have shown the ability to work well in teams and within ordered rank structures…